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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2018, 03:47:34 PM »
If you think you have to stay after work late to make it appear like you are a good teacher to your VP or Principal then news flash, you have some deep rooted physiological issues and insecurities about your lessons and your abilities as a teacher. I deliver on time. I don't sit there at 5:57 going "PLEASE NOTICE ME WORKING HARD FOR FREE TO IMPRESS YOU, IM KOREAN NOW PLEASE ACCEPT ME AS ONE OF YOU. WHO WANTS TO GO FOR DWINKS IM BUYING?'. Getting desperate tino.

That's not what I meant at all. It could be Korea or America, (and of course there are exceptions depending on the nature of your job- obviously assembly line work doesn't have this issue) but an employee who NEVER stays late, is an employee I would have serious misgivings about their dedication and tenacity and drive for excellence and creativity.

If you've never been inspired to develop a special lesson and to really try and make it shine such that you ended up staying late to pull it off, then well, that's fine and all, but...

I mean, let's go beyond teaching and into any kind of work where such things are possible. Is that the kind of employee you would categorize as first rate? The kind you really treasure? (Sure there are exceptions, and if you are one of those truly organized and gifted people, disregard this).

Now of course, if you're in a teaching job that has a certain "regularity" or formula to it or are bound by restrictions, this obviously doesn't apply. If your CT says "by the book and the book only" and that leaves you done at 3pm. By all means go ahead and do whatever. But many of us have at least some degree of freedom.

But if you've never had that outburst of creativity or inspiration? Never had that push to really get something 110% perfect? Never had that moment where it's 4:30 but you suddenly get a great idea and say "Screw it, I'll stay late and try this out"? I don't know what to say. To each their own, but...

It's exactly what you meant. You know it, I know it and everyone else on here knows it.

It has already been pointed out that if you are a public school teacher you have 18 free hours per week to make lesson plans.

Try again kid.
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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2018, 04:36:29 PM »
If you think you have to stay after work late to make it appear like you are a good teacher to your VP or Principal then news flash, you have some deep rooted physiological issues and insecurities about your lessons and your abilities as a teacher. I deliver on time. I don't sit there at 5:57 going "PLEASE NOTICE ME WORKING HARD FOR FREE TO IMPRESS YOU, IM KOREAN NOW PLEASE ACCEPT ME AS ONE OF YOU. WHO WANTS TO GO FOR DWINKS IM BUYING?'. Getting desperate tino.

That's not what I meant at all. It could be Korea or America, (and of course there are exceptions depending on the nature of your job- obviously assembly line work doesn't have this issue) but an employee who NEVER stays late, is an employee I would have serious misgivings about their dedication and tenacity and drive for excellence and creativity.

If you've never been inspired to develop a special lesson and to really try and make it shine such that you ended up staying late to pull it off, then well, that's fine and all, but...

I mean, let's go beyond teaching and into any kind of work where such things are possible. Is that the kind of employee you would categorize as first rate? The kind you really treasure? (Sure there are exceptions, and if you are one of those truly organized and gifted people, disregard this).

Now of course, if you're in a teaching job that has a certain "regularity" or formula to it or are bound by restrictions, this obviously doesn't apply. If your CT says "by the book and the book only" and that leaves you done at 3pm. By all means go ahead and do whatever. But many of us have at least some degree of freedom.

But if you've never had that outburst of creativity or inspiration? Never had that push to really get something 110% perfect? Never had that moment where it's 4:30 but you suddenly get a great idea and say "Screw it, I'll stay late and try this out"? I don't know what to say. To each their own, but...

It's exactly what you meant. You know it, I know it and everyone else on here knows it.

It has already been pointed out that if you are a public school teacher you have 18 free hours per week to make lesson plans.

Try again kid.

What Martin has failed to understand repeatedly, is that he has tarred people with his massively wrong-tarring brush again.  There are those of us who have a good talent teaching here and a wealth of experience, who understand the levels of our students and what we are supposed to do, and can pluck an amazing lesson out of the air and make and apply it with the perfectly efficient amount of effort and resources and then with great skill teach it to students, with wins all around.  What he has failed to understand is that the 'amazing' material that takes him hours to make, is not the most important thing here, but the person who is teaching it.  Give someone a long piece of string to teach the electromagnetic spectrum to students, can be as efficient as using a ppt that took ages to make.  He's bought into the 'if you're not suffering long hours on end pointlessly, then you're doing it wrong' idea, which is the Korean education system all over.

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2018, 04:54:37 PM »
Yeah, and I feel like having my name up here keeps me honest. That's also why I briefly had my photo up as well.

So is there a story for why you chose to take it down?

I also don't like showing off :P

Joking aside, no not really. Felt a little nervous about it maybe, or got sick of seeing myself and thought others might feel the same.

Plus I thought of something waaay funnier~

Was hoping that someone sent you a lewd pic or something, but naaaaaw.

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2018, 07:03:14 PM »
Well there was this... :-[

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2018, 10:51:46 PM »
What Martin has failed to understand repeatedly, is that he has tarred people with his massively wrong-tarring brush again. 

May I ask who have I tarred? I'm genuinely curious as any careful reading of my post would demonstrate that I cited multiple exceptions. Have you never stayed late to create or innovate and produce an exceptional, unique lesson? Is that not an indication of exceptional dedication to one's job?

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There are those of us who have a good talent teaching here and a wealth of experience, who understand the levels of our students and what we are supposed to do, and can pluck an amazing lesson out of the air and make and apply it with the perfectly efficient amount of effort and resources and then with great skill teach it to students, with wins all around.

I will not argue with Dave here. I will simply ask the people of Waygook to decide which is more probable-

A) That this passage describes the overwhelming majority of English teachers, including new ones to which this thread is dedicated, and especially Dave himself

OR

B) That Dave has an exaggerated sense of himself and his own abilities.

My apologies if Dave is being satirical and is in fact, agreeing with me. It was hard to tell.
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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2018, 09:31:02 AM »
if you need to spend hours on end to create one single lesson, you're doing it wrong

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2018, 10:41:55 AM »
Some simple stuff from an old hand who is now writing about my time in Korea.

Long time ago a man by the name of Jim Croce gave me some advice and it went kind of like this:

You don't tug on Superman's cape

You don't spit in the wind

You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger and...

...you don't mess around with Jim

Think it still applies today over 40 years and many counties and teaching positions later.

Give it some thought

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2018, 10:42:42 AM »
if you need to spend hours on end to create one single lesson, you're doing it wrong
Run-of-the-mill lesson? Sure.

But if you never have the urge to create something special, try something new, or other similar impulses that involve going that extra mile, then that really says something about you as an employee, doesn't it?

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2018, 10:59:31 AM »
There are those of us who have a good talent teaching here and a wealth of experience, who understand the levels of our students and what we are supposed to do, and can pluck an amazing lesson out of the air and make and apply it with the perfectly efficient amount of effort and resources and then with great skill teach it to students, with wins all around.
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and is in fact, agreeing with me.

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if you need to spend hours on end to create one single lesson, you're doing it wrong

Yep, they could also be the lessons that work for some classes and the exact same lesson may not work for another class.  Over time you know how to rescue those kind of classes.  But it's your understanding of the students, and it's the delivery and execution that is more important than the actual lesson. 

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2018, 11:11:09 AM »
But it's your understanding of the students, and it's the delivery and execution that is more important than the actual lesson.
Sure, it's an important part, quite likely more important.

That doesn't mean that lessons and materials and stuff isn't important as well. Two equally good teachers, give one better lessons and materials and they will have a better result.

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« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2018, 11:16:10 AM »
if you need to spend hours on end to create one single lesson, you're doing it wrong

I often spend hours on powerpoints, finding the right images and getting the animation just right,

but maybe I'm doing it wrong? :-[
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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2018, 11:17:40 AM »
honestly, i feel like the lessons i have tried with over-the-top powerpoints, or intricate games, are the ones where students learn the least, or just end up flopping altogether

i appreciate the effort some people put into some ppts on this website, but they never go as well as i hoped for some reason

half the time i don't even use a powerpoint anyway. using flashcards or different coloured board markers are just as effective (or more, more often than not) for the presentation part of my lessons

edit: yeah, donovan, if you've got the time to do that, that's great. my point is spending hours on a lesson doesn't necessarily make you a better teacher (or mean it will be a better lesson), just as spending less time preparing for a class doesn't mean it will be less effective.

tl;dr not staying late after work at public school doesn't mean i'm not doing my job properly, it's just bad time management imo (with the billion hours free time you have a week)
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2018, 11:20:54 AM »
I agree that some of the powerpoints that look really gorgeous end up trying to steal the show. I spend a lot of time on my powerpoints, but as a resource that I can ping-pong off of and use to illustrate more vividly what I'm trying to say. I never let my PPts upstage me :afro:

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2018, 11:22:33 AM »
if you need to spend hours on end to create one single lesson, you're doing it wrong

I often spend hours on powerpoints, finding the right images and getting the animation just right,

but maybe I'm doing it wrong? :-[

Dunno, you're are doing it on a computer, right?  Maybe that's the problem.


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« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2018, 11:40:14 AM »
I think how one views the hypothetical employee staying late to finish a lesson plan depends on how highly one views the ability to use one's time efficiently.

In atmospheres were efficient use of time is rarely considered to be important, such as Korean workplaces, it can definitely be seen as a positive that an employee stays late to finish their work. It shows dedication and a drive to succeed. (Though I suspect if we had to be paid extra for any time we spent at school past the end of our workday, our bosses might suddenly care a bit more about time management, haha).

However, to someone who views efficient use of time as an important skill, that same employee might seems to have poor time management skills. If there are two employees who are creating products equal in quality, but one of them is able to create that product within the confines of their working hours, a manager might wonder why it's taking the other employee so much longer to get the job done.

I see where Marty is coming from here in saying that a person staying late to finish something shows motivation and a can-do attitude. Where we differ is the idea that if one has never done so, that is a sign of being worse at one's job. One person might show their motivation by staying late to create fun new materials, while another person might show their motivation by being able to manage their time efficiently enough to create fun new materials without needing to stay late.

In the end, the important thing is the quality of the end product. If someone stays late to make something exceptional, cool! If someone creates something exceptional without needing to stay late, cool!

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« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2018, 12:49:12 PM »
First is a preparation tip:

Get access to a paper cutter. Not scissors or the box cutters. A real guillotine cutter or the roller type. I don't know what it is exactly but kids really like straight and square edges on all the handouts. If you are like me and have to make enough handouts for 120~140 kids per grade that is a lot of cutting. It saves time and makes preparation for activities much easier. If your school doesn't have one somewhere then try and convince someone to use some of the English budget. If you have to, just bite the bullet and order a not crappy one for 30~50 thousand won yourself off gmarket.

This is more of a lifestyle tip:

When you are craving something from home google "how to make blah". It is actually really surprising how easy things I was really missing are to make. Lasagna noodles? Ravioli? Simple fresh egg pasta takes like 10 minutes of actual work to make and cut into a whole bunch of shapes. Can't find sour cream? It's literally just heavy cream and lemon or vinegar left out for a day at room temp. No fresh herbs you need for salsa? Grow them yourself. A decently sized Daiso will have small pots, soil, and the more common herb seeds (basil, parsley). You might need to order some rarer seeds like cilantro (coriander) online but it is worth it.

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« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2018, 12:51:22 PM »
I don't really understand what staying late has to do with it though.

I get those bursts of inspiration all the time, and pour extra time into making something totally unique and special.
I just rarely get that inspiration at 4.35 during the week meaning I have to stay late.

 I'll get it in the morning then make extra time during the afternoon or on a Sunday.


Anyway this thread is interesting, lots of good advice here.  :azn:

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Re: Advice to new teachers
« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2018, 12:55:56 PM »
In the end, the important thing is the quality of the end product. If someone stays late to make something exceptional, cool! If someone creates something exceptional without needing to stay late, cool!
Aye good point. Things can be exceptional in different ways

^I like this guy's tips. Hummus is another example. Also, coupang's 로켓직구 has so much foreign products these days (로켓보송 is also amazing). I Iove coupang

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« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2018, 01:12:37 PM »
One person might show their motivation by staying late to create fun new materials, while another person might show their motivation by being able to manage their time efficiently enough to create fun new materials without needing to stay late.

In the end, the important thing is the quality of the end product. If someone stays late to make something exceptional, cool! If someone creates something exceptional without needing to stay late, cool!
As I said, there are always exceptions, but I'm willing to bet that you take the "I'm always out of there at 5" crowd and then take people who say "Yeah there are a few times a year in which I'll work late because I'm trying something new or came up with an exciting idea" and the second group are far more likely to be better workers in many phases of their job.

Let's be real- yes some people are really efficient, but a lot of people tend to overestimate the quality of their own work. Also, a lot of people who say that are in fact, people turning out an average product. As I said, there are always exceptions.

I suspect if you look back at all the successful, creative, and influential people in history, you won't find a single one who was ALWAYS out of the office at 5 o'clock and never worked late turning an idea into a product.

I just rarely get that inspiration at 4.35 during the week meaning I have to stay late.
Like I said, it can be rare and I didn't say "always work late", in fact I've repeatedly said, we're talking about something you can count the number of times you've done it this year on one hand.