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Offline Bingsu

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2018, 05:42:49 PM »
Fact is, you just sound like you don't like animals and that's totally cool too. But you're going about this in a really egotistical and arrogant way. And that's the uncool part.

Fact is, the point I was making is clearly over your head.  What’s really “uncool” is your simplistic reduction of argument and clear pivot straight toward an ad hominem fallacy.  Sad.

I like how out of everyone here and the rest of my argument, you took me saying "cool" and "uncool" so hard you had to reply literally only to that and call it sad.

Sad.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2018, 05:44:46 PM »
I haven't had boshintang for a while. If anybody has a dog they need adopting, shoot me a PM.

Must be less than 20% body fat.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2018, 05:49:14 PM »
Fact is, you just sound like you don't like animals and that's totally cool too. But you're going about this in a really egotistical and arrogant way. And that's the uncool part.

Fact is, the point I was making is clearly over your head.  What’s really “uncool” is your simplistic reduction of argument and clear pivot straight toward an ad hominem fallacy.  Sad.

I like how out of everyone here and the rest of my argument, you took me saying "cool" and "uncool" so hard you had to reply literally only to that and call it sad.

Sad.

And that is why using an ad hominem at the end of your argument delegitimizes and voids every point you've made prior.  Glad you picked up on that.  But you're right, I should reply to more posts, thanks.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2018, 05:51:01 PM »
I don't have a pet here, and wouldn't want to get one and leave it alone in the apartment all day. Gotta say though, this long, late night post says a lot more about you than these pet owners you are projecting onto.

...8:39 PM is considered late?  :huh:  죄송합니다 할머니, I will try to post earlier next time.  Fighting!

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2018, 05:53:18 PM »
Instead of killing animals on the street, which there are many things wrong with that but sanitation being one if we ignore personal morality here, isn't going to fix a broken food system.
Who said on the street? Round them up and take em to some local butchery/processing

Point, Mr. DeMartino.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2018, 05:55:19 PM »
Instead of killing animals on the street, which there are many things wrong with that but sanitation being one if we ignore personal morality here, isn't going to fix a broken food system.
Who said on the street? Round them up and take em to some local butchery/processing

Point, Mr. DeMartino.

Actually to reply to this you misunderstood me, both of you haha

I didn't mean "kill them on the street" I meant "animals from the street" and sanitation meaning diseases and parasites that strays and ferals quite often have.

And btw Hodor I don't have any issue with you on a personal level.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2018, 05:58:19 PM »
OP: Wow, that was one lengthy bitter tirade.  The fact that you've thought that much about what's involved with foreigners owning a pet, ironically suggests that you are in deep need of companionship.

Was it really THAT long?  :rolleyes: Can’t one have companionship AND deep thoughts?  Not everyone finds a companion and automatically empties their skull of all thought and reflection.  You'd be amazed at the arguments and reasoning you can think of while walking down a stank-ass hallway every day.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2018, 06:02:09 PM »
Instead of killing animals on the street, which there are many things wrong with that but sanitation being one if we ignore personal morality here, isn't going to fix a broken food system.
Who said on the street? Round them up and take em to some local butchery/processing

Point, Mr. DeMartino.

Actually to reply to this you misunderstood me, both of you haha

I didn't mean "kill them on the street" I meant "animals from the street" and sanitation meaning diseases and parasites that strays and ferals quite often have.

And btw Hodor I don't have any issue with you on a personal level.

Neither I, you Bingsu.   8)

However, if this is the case, which it seems to be.. The point awarded for brilliant trolling has been hereby revoked and the match deemed a forfeiture from both sides.  Better luck next time.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2018, 06:04:16 PM »
My wife has always had a dog. When we moved here, our elderly (8 yo) Bernesse Mountain Dog went to live with my SIL.
We saw a dog as being not compatible with our expat adventure (more so for a 80 lb lap-dog!)
Small apartment, contract uncertainty, no off-leash outdoor time, and vacation travel considerations have stopped us from getting a dog here. The new muzzle laws make us glad we resisted.

The other issue the OP brings up is important too - there is a risk of becoming a "crazy cat lady/gent" if the pet replaces human companionship.

Even introverts need *some* human contact outside of work.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2018, 06:05:16 PM »
OP i loved this. Keep up the good work.

Thanks, Bulgogi.  More coming.  Perhaps.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2018, 06:08:51 PM »
It's totally cool to get a pet here if you're responsible. Now having the hallway on your floor smell like sh*t is a big nono.

Update: the guy sprayed Axe(?) up and down the hallway today.  I mean, I didn't see him do it.. it could have been one of my other neighbors. Not sure if it's worse or better.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2018, 06:30:17 PM »
‘Foreigners AS Pets’ might have made for an interesting thread.

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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2018, 08:08:54 PM »
‘Foreigners AS Pets’ might have made for an interesting thread.

"Donovan the d*ckhead" might have made for an interesting thread.  8)

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2018, 08:31:32 PM »
‘Foreigners AS Pets’ might have made for an interesting thread.

"Donovan the d*ckhead" might have made for an interesting thread.  8)

 8)

Hi, Turtle. Nice to meet you.

Not sure what I did to deserve that, but if you don’t mind, I prefer the term ‘gammon’.

Perhaps something I said during one of your previous incarnations? :afro: :afro: :afro:

Start her up; I’d be curious to see what kind of responses that might get, too.

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2018, 08:37:32 PM »
‘Foreigners AS Pets’ might have made for an interesting thread.

"Donovan the d*ckhead" might have made for an interesting thread.  8)

 8)

Hi, Turtle. Nice to meet you.

Not sure what I did to deserve that, but if you don’t mind, I prefer the term ‘gammon’.

Perhaps something I said during one of your previous incarnations? :afro: :afro: :afro:

Start her up; I’d be curious to see what kind of responses that might get, too.

 :rolleyes:

Well you're quite the character, aren't you?  :undecided:

Why do you want to be addressed as `gammon` ?  8)


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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2018, 10:13:38 PM »
‘Foreigners AS Pets’ might have made for an interesting thread.

"Donovan the d*ckhead" might have made for an interesting thread.  8)

 8)

Hi, Turtle. Nice to meet you.

Not sure what I did to deserve that, but if you don’t mind, I prefer the term ‘gammon’.

Perhaps something I said during one of your previous incarnations? :afro: :afro: :afro:

Start her up; I’d be curious to see what kind of responses that might get, too.

 :rolleyes:

Well you're quite the character, aren't you?  :undecided:

Why do you want to be addressed as `gammon` ?  8)

****...Is this going to be some kind of sausage showdown?  **** me....This forum is already a sausage party.


Whomever has the spicy mustard wins.....
« Last Edit: May 16, 2018, 10:16:59 PM by dippedinblush »

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2018, 10:41:00 PM »
Don’t worry, alls I got is French’s, and it’s not going anywhere near sausage; I’m saving it for a nice ham mustard glaze.

Still baffled, but I’ll leave it at that~

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2018, 09:18:31 AM »
OP please share more of your deep thoughts. I want more.
But how do I know what to lick and what not to lick?

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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2018, 01:02:38 AM »
I've been teaching here for 15 years, so let me break this down.

1. I was given surprisingly two Jindo puppies (one white, one brown/"red") by my director after we made a trip to Jindo Island (a trip in which I went up to and pet every single dog we encountered on the island, and there were a ton. Six to eight months later the duo were full size but still with puppy sensibilities, and my living in a rooftop bachelor pad, I lamented their lack of physical space, so my director helped me give them a better home with a vegetable farmer on the southern side of Geoje Island.

2. I was shopping at the 5-day market when an orange kitten ran out on the road and I scooped it up before a car barreled over it, and as I handed it back to the woman who had the kitty's mother on a leash (to protect her veggies from mice and other critters I suspect) she waved it to me, wanting me to have it, and so I took it home and a year later planned a month-long trip to New Zealand and so looked to find a caretaker, preferably foreign, to ensure inside only with great care taken (I lived on a street with a shop that boiled cats to make a tonic for bad backs - disgusting, I saw the details of it thanks to a Korean adult student who gave me a tour). I ended up taking the cat on the bus up to Sokcho, then went away for a month, but as I lived on Geoje, it took me a couple of months to get back to Sokcho, but the foreign guy with two cats of his own decided without consultation to give the cat to a guy in Seoul. I was glad the cat was taken care of, though I really wanted it back.

3. I had a hamster who died a natural death (was not young when I got it as a gift from a foreigner who had an iguana and tarantula).

4. I took care of a director's pair of birds (canaries) for the better part of one year.

5. After all that, I had no pets for years, until five years ago my director found out how much I loved cats and she showed up at my door one Sunday morning and asked me choose between two kittens in her hand, a brother and sister. She said they are "Persian". They are long haired and white and the female has one blue eye, one brown eye. The next day I told the director THE WISEST DECISION I have ever done regarding animals I think. I told her I couldn't choose and I took BOTH. Now, five years on, the male and female cats are still with me. I think they have a lot of "Angora" DNA in them, probably due to interbreeding. They display such Angora cat characteristics and few Persian ones. Not only is the female a dead ringer for an Angora, but their BEHAVIOR: love water, love to climb, greet me at the door, play fetch, tolerate dogs as long as the dog knows who's boss, etc., is Angora and so very much not Persian. Persians are actually kinda like dummies (or just more chill). I have a lifetime of experience but also online sources back me up in the contrast between my two and Persian behavior.

Anyways,... that's my story with pets.

The guy who I left the orange shorthaired cat with had a pair of his own for over 12 years in Sokcho before he retired (he was like me a 20,000+ post contributor on the eslcafe back in the day). The guy who gave me the hamster and had an iguana and tarantula was here for over a decade and also went back home. Neither of them dumped their pets on the street or with an irresponsible local student who showed some interest (I could tell you horror stories I've heard and seen others do).

My advice:

1. Don't get a dog or cat,... get TWO!!! You may "only" be away teaching for six hours but that's like forever for the small affectionate mammal. Get them a buddy, a brother or sister or playmate to help groom and/or interact with.

2. If you are sure you will be here for a full year or two then by ALL MEANS adopt! Not a kitten or puppy but a full-grown pair of dogs or cats from the local animal shelter. You may be saving them from euthanasia. Just accept the responsibility of finding another person you truly and wholeheartly believe will take care of them when you leave.

Note: I was so pissed that I listened to the guilt trippin' of online gurus who said don't get a pet when you are an expat teacher here.... there are so many needy cats and dogs here that will die without attention that you can give! Rescue an adult pair of cats or dogs! Think about it. After a year or two with them, just pass on the loving pair to another.

3. **** the business of selling puppies and kittens. Stay away from pet stores and puppy mills. Go to an animal shelter, adopt from people you hear have animals.
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Re: Foreigners and Pets
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2018, 02:26:51 AM »
If you buy a dog and leave you can have a going away dinner and kill two birds with one stone.