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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2018, 07:42:13 AM »
What did Italian and Irish Catholics do, where they followed the pope's orders, over the American governments?
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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2018, 07:45:44 AM »
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Just like Italian-Americans?

There were probably way more Italian home speakers at one time than any one Asian language being spoken at home.

And didn't that cause a few problems - gangsters policing their own communities, organised crime and stuff?
Just pointing out the fact that Italians did assimilate. Once the source of immigration is cut off, assimilation will be noticeable within a generation (that's at least 20 years). But, I guess people expect people to assimilate within 24 hours, or something. However, until that source of immigration continues in high numbers, you may not notice the assimilation process, even though it's happening with people already in country.

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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2018, 11:01:19 AM »
So having a large population from one religious denomination that takes orders from the pope is not problematic?
U donít know history.


ANyways they werent racists , but they believed that there was something valuable that the US had to offer the world and immigrants.  They didnít argue the ridiculous :that the us has something important to learn from a Pashtun or an Aztec..

Your ad hominems are typical liberal arguments .  You are racist ?  You are stupid etc....

Iíd also say that having a large group o& muslims who would like to see sharia law in western societies is also a legitimate concern.lefties run cities into the ground and countries if given the chance.
They are the creators of communism and fascism, yet they believe that they are good and smart but in fact they are bad and dumb.
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Another racist ad hominem .  Good job
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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2018, 11:10:25 AM »
What did Italian and Irish Catholics do, where they followed the pope's orders, over the American governments?
Thanks to an alert and patriotic populace they assimilated.   Had there been a large pop of gender and race identity extremist beta males encouraging them to retain their backward traditions , god knows what would have happened.

You can just look at the populations who moved to the us from the British isles uncivilized borderlands  into the southern US to see what affect not assimilating has.  That is well documented and it continues to plague the us today. 
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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2018, 11:29:18 AM »
Thanks to an alert and patriotic populace they assimilated.   Had there been a large pop of gender and race identity extremist beta males encouraging them to retain their backward traditions , god knows what would have happened.

You can just look at the populations who moved to the us from the British isles uncivilized borderlands  into the southern US to see what affect not assimilating has.  That is well documented and it continues to plague the us today. 
Oh please. Our populace was neither alert nor particularly patriotic with the exception of the Civil War.

Do you seriously think they were on the brink of following the Pope's orders? Do you think every Anglican follows the orders of the Queen of England? Most people don't care that much. If you really believe it was some massive Papist stealth column, you're an idiot.

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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2018, 11:53:42 AM »
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Do you seriously think they were on the brink of following the Pope's orders?

Like in South and Central America?

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« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2018, 12:25:18 PM »
Thanks to an alert and patriotic populace they assimilated.   Had there been a large pop of gender and race identity extremist beta males encouraging them to retain their backward traditions , god knows what would have happened.

You can just look at the populations who moved to the us from the British isles uncivilized borderlands  into the southern US to see what affect not assimilating has.  That is well documented and it continues to plague the us today. 
Oh please. Our populace was neither alert nor particularly patriotic with the exception of the Civil War.

Do you seriously think they were on the brink of following the Pope's orders? Do you think every Anglican follows the orders of the Queen of England? Most people don't care that much. If you really believe it was some massive Papist stealth column, you're an idiot.

Of course they were.

SO saying that thereís is some Michael Moore cabal is different than saying that the Catholic Church would have say and influence over citizens and politicians .      When deciding issues they would definitely draw on their catholic faith and their leader the pope.    They have had influence .    The pope consistently gets involved in American debates .   Heís essentially said we should have open borders .
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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2018, 12:30:05 PM »
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Just like Italian-Americans?

There were probably way more Italian home speakers at one time than any one Asian language being spoken at home.

And didn't that cause a few problems - gangsters policing their own communities, organised crime and stuff?
Just pointing out the fact that Italians did assimilate. Once the source of immigration is cut off, assimilation will be noticeable within a generation (that's at least 20 years). But, I guess people expect people to assimilate within 24 hours, or something. However, until that source of immigration continues in high numbers, you may not notice the assimilation process, even though it's happening with people already in country.
Not all demographics assimilate. The opposite seems to happen with Mexicans. Second generation Mexican Americans are more likely to become involved in gangs, crime, and more likely to be unemployed than their parents. Will the mass influx of Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe ever assimilate? I doubt it. They'll change Europe so that it is more like the place they left behind. They don't want to assimilate. They view their host country as inferior. They respect the law and authorities in their religion but not the laws of their host country.

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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2018, 01:23:42 PM »
Globalization, buddy.

No matter how much you fight or wish for it, the 1950s are gone, they're never coming back... and that's a good thing.

Globalization means that you have to get used to living among the Kims, Kumars and Kowalczyks. You're going to have to face the fact that you can no longer afford to be completely ignorant of other cultures, faiths or languages. You're upset that illegal immigrants are streaming into your first world countries? Hate to say, but that's what Capitalism does? All the good times in the 50s, well now you're facing the backlash. You think Capitalism creates wealth out of magic? A high standard of living and consumer culture requires raw materials and cheap labour. That's were the 3rd world countries came into play, along with wars, exploitation and displacement. Gradually, those countries begin to rot and where  do those people have to go? You better believe they're coming.

The American Dream comes at a price.

Visit South Africa (one of the sh*thole countries). 11 Official Languages, only 9% of the population speaks English at home, yet you'd be hard pressed to find someone who isn't fluent in English.

The world's changing, keep up.

Capitalism enables poor countries to become rich - Hong Kong, China, Korea, Brazil, India, Singapore. Capitalism created the conditions for globalization to increase. The internet, TV, mobile phones, cheap air travel. People from poor countries are now rich enough to be able to travel across the world to countries where they'd prefer to be living. They want to live there because they're capitalist countries that allow them the freedom to live their lives and prosper.  However, globalization doesn't mean they should be allowed to disregard other countries' laws. 

It's interesting that you're using the 'you deserve it' argument, rather than the 'all immigration is a net benefit to a country' argument which they still use in the UK. Though less and less these days.

Some of those countries became richer because they were allowed to unfairly compete by paying their workers 1 dollar a day and not having to abide by any environmental standards.  They were also allowed to export to rich countries while keeping sky high tariffs on their own country's borders.  Why is it fair for America to chanrge a 2.5 % tariff for goods coming into America while China can charge 25% on good coming into their country and force or pressure US companies to partner with a local Chinese company where they can later use their technology transfer to compete against them in the years ahead?  Free, fair, and reciprocal trade is what the President is calling for.  None of the past Presidents did.  They talked, they asked politely, and got no results.  Meanwhile, the middle class got gutted and now those folks without hope are all hooked in opiods because life sucks.  At the same time, flood the country with too many people willing to work illegally for really cheap wages.  There's no such thing as a job someone won't do, but there is an income people can't accept due to living costs.  Bring the jobs back, build the wall, andput tarrifs to match other countries.  If China charges 25% and limits access for US goods or companies, the the US should do the same for China.  Equal is equal.  As for immigration, it can be a great thing and bring in people of different races and religions if they are bringing something to contribute such as money, investment, a skill, etc.  Bringing in people who want to be productive and assimiliate regardless of racial background or religion can only serve to make a country stronger if there is a common identity to rally around.  One hundred years from now, America could have a doubled population while China has gone into strong decline and India is overcrowded.  It can have the strongest economy in the world as it does now.  China's rise is potentially a temporary blip in this scenario due to their population aging much faster.  You need either immigration or more women to have babies.  But no country benefits by bringing in people for the sake of a numbers game and putting them on welfare or turning a blind eye to illegals who don't want to be a part of your country because they never had to work for it. 

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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2018, 02:26:31 PM »
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Just like Italian-Americans?

There were probably way more Italian home speakers at one time than any one Asian language being spoken at home.

And didn't that cause a few problems - gangsters policing their own communities, organised crime and stuff?
Just pointing out the fact that Italians did assimilate. Once the source of immigration is cut off, assimilation will be noticeable within a generation (that's at least 20 years). But, I guess people expect people to assimilate within 24 hours, or something. However, until that source of immigration continues in high numbers, you may not notice the assimilation process, even though it's happening with people already in country.
Not all demographics assimilate. The opposite seems to happen with Mexicans. Second generation Mexican Americans are more likely to become involved in gangs, crime, and more likely to be unemployed than their parents. Will the mass influx of Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe ever assimilate? I doubt it. They'll change Europe so that it is more like the place they left behind. They don't want to assimilate. They view their host country as inferior. They respect the law and authorities in their religion but not the laws of their host country.

Your argument is, at best, the result of false inference and gross ignorance.

Firstly, I think we can agree that by assimilate, you mean adopt the cultural practices of the host country, yes?
...Well, culture is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS at the mercy of necessity. If a cultural practice becomes too troublesome
or less relevant, it dies out, and it dies a slow death. This process is accelerated when the culture is in an environment where it isn't dominant.

 No cultural practice will ever be eternal. However, one needs to clearly distinguish that which is culture and that which isn't, Religion for example. Religious practices are usually far more resistant to cultural influences, for example, a Muslim person born and raised in the US, isn't necessarily going to abandon their Faith because they live around non-Muslims. Likewise, you can't expect a women in a Hijab to 'assimilate' by ripping it off and wearing what you wear, that's not culture or assimilation. On a personal note, Islam is a Religion not a legal system, no Islamic practice conflicts with any law in the Democratic legal system which I'm aware of.

It's important to understand that cultural assimilation occurs at different rates, depending on various factors; how dominant their old culture was, how long they've been in the new country etc.
It's important to understand that you need to think relatively, when discussing cultural timeframe. 80yrs is a lifetime for you, but an evening out, in a cultural timeframe.

Regarding Mexicans and immigrants involved in crime, I agree 100%, illegal immigrants need to be deported as it causes the problems we see. However, what kind of work can you do without the appropriate work visa? Your options are limited to low income or nefarious pursuits. Young Mexicans, over time, have simply created a culture of crime, gangs and violence as a result of their environment and the younger generation are drawn to this culture as it is in their immediate vicinity.

I hope I've illustrated that culture and assimilation is a very complex, dynamic and methodical process. You can't afford to think in black and white.   


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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2018, 03:44:44 AM »

Will the mass influx of Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe ever assimilate? I doubt it. They'll change Europe so that it is more like the place they left behind. They don't want to assimilate. They view their host country as inferior. They respect the law and authorities in their religion but not the laws of their host country.

Oh please. Immigrants in Europe are running corner shops, investing in property, and running restaurants, the same as any immigrant during the entirety of human history.
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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2018, 06:58:34 AM »
So having a large population from one religious denomination that takes orders from the pope is not problematic?
U donít know history.


ANyways they werent racists , but they believed that there was something valuable that the US had to offer the world and immigrants.  They didnít argue the ridiculous :that the us has something important to learn from a Pashtun or an Aztec..

Your ad hominems are typical liberal arguments .  You are racist ?  You are stupid etc....

Iíd also say that having a large group o& muslims who would like to see sharia law in western societies is also a legitimate concern.lefties run cities into the ground and countries if given the chance.
They are the creators of communism and fascism, yet they believe that they are good and smart but in fact they are bad and dumb.
Old klansters never die; they just become trolls spreading racist lies.

Another racist ad hominem .  Good job
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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2018, 07:01:42 AM »
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Just like Italian-Americans?

There were probably way more Italian home speakers at one time than any one Asian language being spoken at home.

And didn't that cause a few problems - gangsters policing their own communities, organised crime and stuff?
Just pointing out the fact that Italians did assimilate. Once the source of immigration is cut off, assimilation will be noticeable within a generation (that's at least 20 years). But, I guess people expect people to assimilate within 24 hours, or something. However, until that source of immigration continues in high numbers, you may not notice the assimilation process, even though it's happening with people already in country.
Not all demographics assimilate. The opposite seems to happen with Mexicans. Second generation Mexican Americans are more likely to become involved in gangs, crime, and more likely to be unemployed than their parents. Will the mass influx of Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe ever assimilate? I doubt it. They'll change Europe so that it is more like the place they left behind. They don't want to assimilate. They view their host country as inferior. They respect the law and authorities in their religion but not the laws of their host country.
Seems like they've assimilated, just not in a productive way. Now why would that be? Surely the Pope is not to blame.

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« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2018, 07:12:25 AM »

Will the mass influx of Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe ever assimilate? I doubt it. They'll change Europe so that it is more like the place they left behind. They don't want to assimilate. They view their host country as inferior. They respect the law and authorities in their religion but not the laws of their host country.

Oh please. Immigrants in Europe are running corner shops, investing in property, and running restaurants, the same as any immigrant during the entirety of human history.

When they're not carrying out mass sexual assaults or organising rape gangs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

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« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2018, 09:51:45 AM »
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Just like Italian-Americans?

There were probably way more Italian home speakers at one time than any one Asian language being spoken at home.

And didn't that cause a few problems - gangsters policing their own communities, organised crime and stuff?
Just pointing out the fact that Italians did assimilate. Once the source of immigration is cut off, assimilation will be noticeable within a generation (that's at least 20 years). But, I guess people expect people to assimilate within 24 hours, or something. However, until that source of immigration continues in high numbers, you may not notice the assimilation process, even though it's happening with people already in country.
Not all demographics assimilate. The opposite seems to happen with Mexicans. Second generation Mexican Americans are more likely to become involved in gangs, crime, and more likely to be unemployed than their parents. Will the mass influx of Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe ever assimilate? I doubt it. They'll change Europe so that it is more like the place they left behind. They don't want to assimilate. They view their host country as inferior. They respect the law and authorities in their religion but not the laws of their host country.
Seems like they've assimilated, just not in a productive way. Now why would that be? Surely the Pope is not to blame.

You are probably the most racist person on this thread . Just thought Iíd try your argument .
Or when they make up 22 percent of federal prisoners .
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« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2018, 11:10:22 AM »
Wow. I read the thread title and was very interested why!

I went to California in 1998, 2001 and 2002 and thought it rocked the world.

One of my favorite places in the world is: Monterey, California.

Anything short of nuclear war won't ruin that state's charm imo.

Is the op flaming or is there half-decent reason behind this thread?


monterey is really nice.  the wharf  and the aquarium were pretty cool too.  i enjoyed the chowder bowls.   

i thought this thread was going to be about something else like the crazy high taxes there or how california will end up in the ocean but alas...

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« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2018, 12:11:27 PM »
Wow. I read the thread title and was very interested why!

I went to California in 1998, 2001 and 2002 and thought it rocked the world.

One of my favorite places in the world is: Monterey, California.

Anything short of nuclear war won't ruin that state's charm imo.

Is the op flaming or is there half-decent reason behind this thread?


monterey is really nice.  the wharf  and the aquarium were pretty cool too.  i enjoyed the chowder bowls.   

i thought this thread was going to be about something else like the crazy high taxes there or how california will end up in the ocean but alas...

It is a nice State, but has been ruined economically for most people.  I have posted videos of middle class families having to leave.  No one except the ultra rich can afford to live there.  High taxes, high housing costs (restrictive zoning, too many regulations - environmental and such reduce the supply while many flood in until recently).  Arnold was a Republican in name only.  So, Democratic policies for 20 plus years have turned it into a dumping ground.  Some of the most beautiful scenery, but only for the rich.  I mean personally, would I want a bungalow for $180,000 or $1,800,000?  If the economy is doing well elsewhere and there are good jobs, why not move?  I would if I were there.  (I'm a duel citizen and got to say Vancouver, Toronto, New York and many places are crazy.  But there are many places in America where you can live well assuming similar income.  Just not some smaller rust belt towns.)

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Re: California is a failing state.
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2018, 03:52:22 PM »
Wow. I read the thread title and was very interested why!

I went to California in 1998, 2001 and 2002 and thought it rocked the world.

One of my favorite places in the world is: Monterey, California.

Anything short of nuclear war won't ruin that state's charm imo.

Is the op flaming or is there half-decent reason behind this thread?


monterey is really nice.  the wharf  and the aquarium were pretty cool too.  i enjoyed the chowder bowls.   

i thought this thread was going to be about something else like the crazy high taxes there or how california will end up in the ocean but alas...

It is a nice State, but has been ruined economically for most people.  I have posted videos of middle class families having to leave.  No one except the ultra rich can afford to live there.  High taxes, high housing costs (restrictive zoning, too many regulations - environmental and such reduce the supply while many flood in until recently).  Arnold was a Republican in name only.  So, Democratic policies for 20 plus years have turned it into a dumping ground.  Some of the most beautiful scenery, but only for the rich.  I mean personally, would I want a bungalow for $180,000 or $1,800,000?  If the economy is doing well elsewhere and there are good jobs, why not move?  I would if I were there.  (I'm a duel citizen and got to say Vancouver, Toronto, New York and many places are crazy.  But there are many places in America where you can live well assuming similar income.  Just not some smaller rust belt towns.)

i hear you.  my parents were living there because my dad had gotten a job at the base there.  i think he was making about 60k a year and that's pretty big money.  turns out in monterey, that's not enough.  when i went out to visit them, we would go out exploring and go to the beach.  those were good visits.    yeah, only those with rich folks can live in the nicest places.   that 60k a year in a different state would've gone a lot further. 

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« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2018, 05:17:12 AM »
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Just like Italian-Americans?

There were probably way more Italian home speakers at one time than any one Asian language being spoken at home.

And didn't that cause a few problems - gangsters policing their own communities, organised crime and stuff?
Just pointing out the fact that Italians did assimilate. Once the source of immigration is cut off, assimilation will be noticeable within a generation (that's at least 20 years). But, I guess people expect people to assimilate within 24 hours, or something. However, until that source of immigration continues in high numbers, you may not notice the assimilation process, even though it's happening with people already in country.
Not all demographics assimilate. The opposite seems to happen with Mexicans. Second generation Mexican Americans are more likely to become involved in gangs, crime, and more likely to be unemployed than their parents. Will the mass influx of Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe ever assimilate? I doubt it. They'll change Europe so that it is more like the place they left behind. They don't want to assimilate. They view their host country as inferior. They respect the law and authorities in their religion but not the laws of their host country.
Seems like they've assimilated, just not in a productive way. Now why would that be? Surely the Pope is not to blame.

You are probably the most racist person on this thread . Just thought Iíd try your argument .
Or when they make up 22 percent of federal prisoners .
Roman Catholics make up 22% of federal prisoners? Are the nuns to blame, or is it the short skirts Catholic school girls wear?

Shot up any Waffle Houses lately?

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« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2018, 09:58:30 AM »
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Just like Italian-Americans?

There were probably way more Italian home speakers at one time than any one Asian language being spoken at home.

And didn't that cause a few problems - gangsters policing their own communities, organised crime and stuff?
Just pointing out the fact that Italians did assimilate. Once the source of immigration is cut off, assimilation will be noticeable within a generation (that's at least 20 years). But, I guess people expect people to assimilate within 24 hours, or something. However, until that source of immigration continues in high numbers, you may not notice the assimilation process, even though it's happening with people already in country.
Not all demographics assimilate. The opposite seems to happen with Mexicans. Second generation Mexican Americans are more likely to become involved in gangs, crime, and more likely to be unemployed than their parents. Will the mass influx of Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe ever assimilate? I doubt it. They'll change Europe so that it is more like the place they left behind. They don't want to assimilate. They view their host country as inferior. They respect the law and authorities in their religion but not the laws of their host country.
Seems like they've assimilated, just not in a productive way. Now why would that be? Surely the Pope is not to blame.

You are probably the most racist person on this thread . Just thought Iíd try your argument .
Or when they make up 22 percent of federal prisoners .
Roman Catholics make up 22% of federal prisoners? Are the nuns to blame, or is it the short skirts Catholic school girls wear?
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Shot up any Waffle Houses lately?

Typical lefty making light of tragedies.    Didnít you start a post celebrating the death of skme guy because he was a republican ?
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