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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #140 on: January 12, 2018, 10:44:46 AM »

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.

The major difference is that Koreans aren't forced to leave the country if they lose their job. What will the PS set do when the ship turns belly up? Scramble for hagwon jobs? That will result in depressed wages for sure.

I've got a dual passport. My mother is a Kiwi, so I've got NZ and Australia as backups for the UK. Nothing is for certain though, I'll give you that!

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #141 on: January 12, 2018, 11:02:48 AM »
Is it because Korean English teaching as a Ďteaching assistantí is not well regarded and thus he is stuck with below average opportunities? I heard this is the case; hopefully itís not. Hopefully employers look favorably upon English teaching experience in Korea. Because age can be a disadvantage sadly.

The issue is, as  I see it at least, is you're a teaching assistant; not a teacher accountable for your students. Even though many of us do everything in class, and despite the fact that some skills we learn are transferable to what I would call "actual teaching", which means you're providing the only education in your chosen subject to students, I seriously doubt employers would look too highly upon teaching TEFL in Korea as teaching experience.

I may be flat out wrong, but I'd like to see some evidence to the contrary. My 2 cents is, employers would want to see experience as a fully licensed teacher in your subject of expertise.

If one is to return to continue with TEFL, then to a certain extent your Korean experience might come in handy. However, decent employers know the game and they understand that TEFL in Korea is pretty much bottom feeder work in the scale of things. I mean PS and most hagwon teaching. If you've got an MA TESOL or even a Delta you're opening up a lot more doors.

Even if one was to return and get a teaching license as an English teacher, that is not the same as TEFL. I can't say I've done too much poetry or literature reviews in ten years of teaching in a range of contexts.




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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #142 on: January 12, 2018, 11:39:22 AM »

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.
They were importing teachers from NZ not long ago. I wonder what's changed.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #143 on: January 12, 2018, 11:48:24 AM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #144 on: January 12, 2018, 01:01:14 PM »
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And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.

Strange, that's not what you hear from the media. Maybe your guy is in a very specialist field.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/uk-teaching-vacancies-rise-quarter-2015-classes-schools-pupils-a7930856.html

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.
They were importing teachers from NZ not long ago. I wonder what's changed.

I know he has a masters in education and his  pgce as well as about 5-10 years experience, pre-korea. Beyond that I dont know how specialized he is. I know he's not in the London area and was talking about going up north as there are more positions up there, or going to the Middle East.

I know that the media picture is not always accurate or not reported properly. Someone mentioned New Zealand. At the moment their is story after story in the NZ media about lack of teachers, especially in Auckland becuase of housing prices. But if you dig a little deeper, it's in select subjects only. Namely, physics and chemistry. They are importing Soth Asian science teachers because they cannot come close to filling those vaccancies. But if you are your typical BA in history/polsci/soc/Eng.lit etc. it is waaaaay harder to find a job.

It was the same a few years ago "we need male primary school teachers" repeated. There was a crop of them trained and something like 60% couldnt find a job even two years later. One guy I know personally never taught a single day in a primary school once he graduated. And it wasnt through lack of trying
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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #145 on: January 12, 2018, 02:07:14 PM »
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And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.

Strange, that's not what you hear from the media. Maybe your guy is in a very specialist field.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/uk-teaching-vacancies-rise-quarter-2015-classes-schools-pupils-a7930856.html

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.
They were importing teachers from NZ not long ago. I wonder what's changed.

I know he has a masters in education and his  pgce as well as about 5-10 years experience, pre-korea. Beyond that I dont know how specialized he is. I know he's not in the London area and was talking about going up north as there are more positions up there, or going to the Middle East.

I know that the media picture is not always accurate or not reported properly. Someone mentioned New Zealand. At the moment their is story after story in the NZ media about lack of teachers, especially in Auckland becuase of housing prices. But if you dig a little deeper, it's in select subjects only. Namely, physics and chemistry. They are importing Soth Asian science teachers because they cannot come close to filling those vaccancies. But if you are your typical BA in history/polsci/soc/Eng.lit etc. it is waaaaay harder to find a job.

It was the same a few years ago "we need male primary school teachers" repeated. There was a crop of them trained and something like 60% couldnt find a job even two years later. One guy I know personally never taught a single day in a primary school once he graduated. And it wasnt through lack of trying
Good point about looking a little deeper.

I'm surprised they're importing teachers because before, when the lost so many teachers to the UK, they were quite adamant only hiring Kiwis.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #146 on: January 12, 2018, 03:18:25 PM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.


I do believe the correct phrase is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Can't you even get that right?

It's more of a case of leaving a shinking ship, Mr Kim.

It seems your fellow Koreans are doing the same, or, should I say, would like to.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20171210000292

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #147 on: January 12, 2018, 04:21:08 PM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.


I do believe the correct phrase is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Can't you even get that right?

It's more of a case of leaving a shinking ship, Mr Kim.

It seems your fellow Koreans are doing the same, or, should I say, would like to.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20171210000292
"sensational" K-pop music, "cutting edge" cars--why do so many news stories about Korea read like ad copy?

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2018, 05:15:15 PM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.


I do believe the correct phrase is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Can't you even get that right?

It's more of a case of leaving a shinking ship, Mr Kim.

It seems your fellow Koreans are doing the same, or, should I say, would like to.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20171210000292
"sensational" K-pop music, "cutting edge" cars--why do so many news stories about Korea read like ad copy?

The pop is sensational. I mean really really sensational. A 10. Cars are the best. The best. No one does cars like Korea. You'll be amazed. No sinking no sinking. YOU'RE SINKING!

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2018, 08:07:24 PM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.


I do believe the correct phrase is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Can't you even get that right?

It's more of a case of leaving a shinking ship, Mr Kim.

It seems your fellow Koreans are doing the same, or, should I say, would like to.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20171210000292
"sensational" K-pop music, "cutting edge" cars--why do so many news stories about Korea read like ad copy?

The pop is sensational. I mean really really sensational. A 10. Cars are the best. The best. No one does cars like Korea. You'll be amazed. No sinking no sinking. YOU'RE SINKING!
I hope you're not on a ferry.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #150 on: January 17, 2018, 05:20:34 PM »
Do a survey. You think Westerners come here by choice? 95% of the ones you meet now (not in the past) are here for 1 thing only, financial gain. If they were given a choice to live somewhere else with the same or better financial gain/security, they would in a heartbeat. Ask Koreans about an opportunity to live in another country..........yes, they would, in a heartbeat (most). There is youtube video with someone asking strangers this question.

 There is a big difference with a Westerner in their 20's vs. 30's. What do you think MOST Westerners in their 30's would say about Korea............it sucks for them, in many ways.

 Imagine the comfort one gets living in a house with a second floor, a separate kitchen, and backyard. Try living in an apartment for too long, it sucks,plain and simple.......saying things can always be worse does NOT mean the current situation isn't desirable, for a Westerner.

LMAO!  40 year old here who moved to Korea because I knew I would never afford a house in the states.  I kind of wish the OP had elaborated on their post.  Why is Korea so stressful for me?  Why is Korea so stressful for Koreans...or maybe I don't wish they elaborated.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #151 on: December 28, 2018, 10:32:05 PM »
I kind of wish the OP had elaborated on their post.  Why is Korea so stressful for me?  Why is Korea so stressful for Koreans...or maybe I don't wish they elaborated.


I've found the answer.

It's because most Koreans have never been taught basic manners.


This is what makes it so hard for the average westerner to enjoy day-to-day interactions with them. Because they are always doing something rude or offensive, then either act oblivious or like they're the victim when they get it back.
Catch my drift?

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #152 on: December 28, 2018, 11:56:03 PM »
I just listened today to a Korean teacher cry (physically SOB) about how her director doesn't pay her for some of the eight extra hours she put in, how her Gyeongsang-minded (she identified the men of this province) husband doesn't help her clean or cook, how women of Joseon-era rich families had lots of time to study and relax, how the receptionist drives a better car than she does, how her middle school male students have said bad Korean words to her and the director took their side in the conflict.

Ugh.

She works 4pm to 8pm in the academy five days a week with a paid dinner every weekday and 19 hours of teaching a week, while a woman of about her age works 15+ hours a day, 6 days a week at the CU convenience store in the very same building.

There is a serious disconnect between a person's crises and his or her perceptions of them.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #153 on: December 29, 2018, 12:07:22 AM »
For the record: Korea is not stressful if you ain't Korean and take things as they come, with any kind of attitude that would serve you well in Thailand, Brazil, Spain, Egypt, Japan, Poland or Indonesia.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #154 on: December 29, 2018, 07:38:16 AM »
I've found the answer.

It's because most Koreans have never been taught basic manners.


This is what makes it so hard for the average westerner to enjoy day-to-day interactions with them. Because they are always doing something rude or offensive, then either act oblivious or like they're the victim when they get it back.
Oh please. There's rude people everywhere and if you find something where Koreans are commonly rude (i.e. public transport/driving) you find stuff where westerners are rude (attention seeking behavior, PDAs, graffiti, street crime)

Once again, there's an old saying- If you run into an asshole when you start your day, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day long, YOU'RE THE ASSHOLE. This holds true in any country or any neighborhood. 

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #155 on: December 29, 2018, 08:23:10 AM »
40 year old here who moved to Korea because I knew I would never afford a house in the states.

Loser back home? Well, if you work hard and strategically the odds are good one day you'll be able to afford to live in a house. But you've really got to grind. Because the longer you live in Korea without your own successful business or in demand skills, the less likely that will become with each passing year.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #156 on: December 29, 2018, 10:26:02 AM »
https://markmanson.net/not-giving-a-****

A great article for the petty annoying chit Koreans do all day, every day, and everywhere.  Helps me keep my blood pressure low and at peace.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #157 on: December 29, 2018, 12:19:02 PM »
I've found the answer.

It's because most Koreans have never been taught basic manners.


This is what makes it so hard for the average westerner to enjoy day-to-day interactions with them. Because they are always doing something rude or offensive, then either act oblivious or like they're the victim when they get it back.
Oh please. There's rude people everywhere and if you find something where Koreans are commonly rude (i.e. public transport/driving) you find stuff where westerners are rude (attention seeking behavior, PDAs, graffiti, street crime)

Once again, there's an old saying- If you run into an asshole when you start your day, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day long, YOU'RE THE ASSHOLE. This holds true in any country or any neighborhood.

There's a newer saying: "If you run into assholes all day long; take a break from the assholes."

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #158 on: December 29, 2018, 02:38:47 PM »
Korea is very stressful in some ways and not in others. But yah, thereís been times when Iíve been really frustrated.. Namely how impossible it is doing things online without a Korean phone number. But, You donít have people haggling  you on the street or trying to scam you (generally), the streets are safe/clean, and the transportation is efficient and fast.

But on the social level, generally, Koreans and Chinese are the most impolite and inconsiderate people Iíve lived around. I think Koreans mean well and are a little more cognizant but itís close. People cutting in front of you in lines or at the grocery store, almost getting run over multiple times crossing the street, restraunts refusing to serve me (yah actually), landlords and delivery guys coming in your apartment unannounced, and thatís not even getting into the school side of things. Communication on a public level and common courtesy is just not a thing here.
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« Reply #159 on: December 29, 2018, 02:50:02 PM »
the lack of common courtesy in public is my biggest challenge, too

and before dematio says, "yes, but at least you have clean water to drink and don't have to worry about being killed by rebel militia like in some african countries", yes, that's of course true, but it doesn't make the complaint of lack of common courtesy any less invalid