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One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« on: December 22, 2017, 09:32:20 AM »
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Israel Cycling Academy confirmed today that Turkish time trial champion Ahmet ÷rken, the Pro Continental team's first and only rider from a Muslim-majority country, has decided to leave the team after recent Middle East tensions led to increased pressure for him and his family.

The team announced ÷rken's two-year contract to much fanfare back in September, and as recently as the team's early December bonding camp in Israel, the four-time Turkish time trial champion, who has raced in Continental teams since 2012, was in good spirits and giving interviews about his future with the team.

In a statement sent to Cyclingnews on Thursday, the team said increased Middle East tension after US President Donald Trump recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel on December 6 had a direct impact on ÷rken and his family in Turkey. The team said ÷rken soon contacted management and requested release from his contract, citing "the effect that the recent events in the Middle East had on me and my family."

Israel Cycling Academy General Manager Ran Margaliot traveled to ÷rken's hometown of Konya, Turkey, and spoke with the rider and his family, persuading them to take some time to reconsider the decision, according to the team. Pressure continued to mount on the rider, however, and he eventually requested a formal release. On Wednesday, the team agreed to grant his request.

"This is heartbreaking for all of us," Margaliot said. "Ahmet is a great athlete and a great person. He joined our program with a vision and commitment to putting sport Ė and with it, peace Ė above politics. It was a brave decision and one that was received with widespread support and approval among the Israeli and Turkish people."
 
I post this because of sr/dm's continued comments that the recognition of Jerusalem as Israels's and Israel's alone was met by nonchalance in the ME. And then of course there's the UN vote.

It may seem smart to poke a wasps's nest for political gain when you're sitting thousands of miles away, but that doesn't mean it's a bad deal for the people affected.

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2017, 10:09:05 AM »
People predicted another intifada. Instead we have a cyclist leaving the team.

And it's his choice and the fault of radicals in Turkey. The sane kind of people who flip out that Miss Iraq took a selfie with Miss Israel.

They are the ones to blame, not Trump. Trump doesn't make anyone choose to issue death threats and attack Israeli soldiers.

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2017, 11:04:55 AM »
People predicted another intifada. Instead we have a cyclist leaving the team.

And it's his choice and the fault of radicals in Turkey. The sane kind of people who flip out that Miss Iraq took a selfie with Miss Israel.

They are the ones to blame, not Trump. Trump doesn't make anyone choose to issue death threats and attack Israeli soldiers.

When will you can the over-exaggeration? You claim you want a substantive debate. I'm not seeing it.

No, he didn't. But rather than make the situation better and move towards peace, he did the direct opposite. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Trump has chosen the former.

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2017, 05:53:49 PM »
Bending over for bullies and handing them lube "Obama Administration" style didn't play out too well.  Let's wait and see how this one plays out before declaring it a problem because of a Turkish cyclist.

I giggle at your accusation of over exaggeration....

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 01:39:10 AM »
I giggle at your accusation of over exaggeration....

6Mn Jews were poisoned like rats in gas chambers so that a nation that had waited 2000 years to have its own state  could be allowed to return to its own country.

But  all gogators cares about is the hurt feelings of a Turkish cyclist.
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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 09:41:44 AM »
People predicted another intifada. Instead we have a cyclist leaving the team.

And it's his choice and the fault of radicals in Turkey. The sane kind of people who flip out that Miss Iraq took a selfie with Miss Israel.

They are the ones to blame, not Trump. Trump doesn't make anyone choose to issue death threats and attack Israeli soldiers.

When will you can the over-exaggeration? You claim you want a substantive debate. I'm not seeing it.

No, he didn't. But rather than make the situation better and move towards peace, he did the direct opposite. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Trump has chosen the former.

Accuses me of over-exaggeration, declares Mideast policy a disaster because some Turkish cyclist returns home.

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 10:16:50 AM »
People predicted another intifada. Instead we have a cyclist leaving the team.

And it's his choice and the fault of radicals in Turkey. The sane kind of people who flip out that Miss Iraq took a selfie with Miss Israel.

They are the ones to blame, not Trump. Trump doesn't make anyone choose to issue death threats and attack Israeli soldiers.

When will you can the over-exaggeration? You claim you want a substantive debate. I'm not seeing it.

No, he didn't. But rather than make the situation better and move towards peace, he did the direct opposite. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Trump has chosen the former.

Accuses me of over-exaggeration, declares Mideast policy a disaster because some Turkish cyclist returns home.
Thanks for proving my point regarding over-exaggeration.

A Muslim cyclist on an Israeli team could have helped with Jewish-Muslim relations. Ever hear of ping-pong diplomacy?

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 11:07:01 AM »
You are probably unaware that you can be jailed in turkey for criticizing the government.  They arrested the family of the knicks player for his tweets.  Point being itís fine to piss off the right people.   What we dont need are you and other treasonous types siding with the enemy because you think truth is relative. 
Ping pong diplomacy was a mistake, itís kicking the china can down the road . 
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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 12:33:24 PM »
You are probably unaware that you can be jailed in turkey for criticizing the government.  They arrested the family of the knicks player for his tweets.  Point being itís fine to piss off the right people.   What we dont need are you and other treasonous types siding with the enemy because you think truth is relative. 
Ping pong diplomacy was a mistake, itís kicking the china can down the road .
Pissing off the right people or pissing off everyone? Pretty soon the US will be as isolated as Tom Hanks in Cast Away if tumpy keeps it up.

Palestinians are the enemy? Or all Muslims?

Funny that you criticize Turkey for curtailing free speech and you call me treasonous for engaging in it.

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 02:22:15 PM »
You are probably unaware that you can be jailed in turkey for criticizing the government.  They arrested the family of the knicks player for his tweets.  Point being itís fine to piss off the right people.   What we dont need are you and other treasonous types siding with the enemy because you think truth is relative. 
Ping pong diplomacy was a mistake, itís kicking the china can down the road .
Pissing off the right people or pissing off everyone? Pretty soon the US will be as isolated as Tom Hanks in Cast Away if tumpy keeps it up.

Palestinians are the enemy? Or all Muslims?

Funny that you criticize Turkey for curtailing free speech and you call me treasonous for engaging in it.

Okay treasonous is a bit strong.   Letís just say anti- american.   You have a right to be it, but no one has to like you or listen to you,and it should be understood that you are in fact undermining the us at all costs by siding with terrible countries .     Engage away, but in turkey you canít post one thing about the president without getting in to trouble.  So you should measure the US in this world not some stupid utopia.  Apples and oranges.

Whatís funny is how you and thousands of other post countless comments and ads depicting the US president as hitler,  and then you say things like ďwe better watch out or the US will not be popular in the world..Ē  donít you and your serial poster friends and the Media see the connection between their nasty agenda driven stories and the US popularity.     you guys want to win some seats so you will risk anything.    Itís called involuntary manslaughter . Try forming an agenda that is not prioritizing lgbtagsfzjh communities . 
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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 02:42:51 PM »
You are probably unaware that you can be jailed in turkey for criticizing the government.  They arrested the family of the knicks player for his tweets.  Point being itís fine to piss off the right people.   What we dont need are you and other treasonous types siding with the enemy because you think truth is relative. 
Ping pong diplomacy was a mistake, itís kicking the china can down the road .
Pissing off the right people or pissing off everyone? Pretty soon the US will be as isolated as Tom Hanks in Cast Away if tumpy keeps it up.

Palestinians are the enemy? Or all Muslims?

Funny that you criticize Turkey for curtailing free speech and you call me treasonous for engaging in it.

Okay treasonous is a bit strong.   Letís just say anti- american.   You have a right to be it, but no one has to like you or listen to you,and it should be understood that you are in fact undermining the us at all costs by siding with terrible countries .     Engage away, but in turkey you canít post one thing about the president without getting in to trouble.  So you should measure the US in this world not some stupid utopia.  Apples and oranges.

Whatís funny is how you and thousands of other post countless comments and ads depicting the US president as hitler,  and then you say things like ďwe better watch out or the US will not be popular in the world..Ē  donít you and your serial poster friends and the Media see the connection between their nasty agenda driven stories and the US popularity.     you guys want to win some seats so you will risk anything.    Itís called involuntary manslaughter . Try forming an agenda that is not prioritizing lgbtagsfzjh communities .
Never posted that.

Hitler served his country in the military. On the other hand bozo bone spurs got five, count 'em five!, deferments to avoid serving his country.

The media is not making the U.S. unpopular; your boy trumpy is.

You're grasping at straws here, jimbo.

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2017, 03:27:50 PM »
Palestinians are the enemy? Or all Muslims?

It is Arabs that have stoked the conflict becaus it suits them to have a muslim cause. "Palestine" has been a gift horse for them when it comes to furthering the spread of islam, their grievances and wielding political power. You do realise they initiated the refugee problem by telling palestinians to leave their homes back in 1948?

In any case, as I told you before... "Palestinians" are simply Jews that were forcibly converted by successive brutal muslim administrations over the centuries.

Many Jews fled or went into exile. Those that stayed either refused to convert and were killed, or outwardly converted but continued Jewish traditions in secret.

In essence, Palestinians and Jews are brothers. Muslim media suppresses this fact.

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Most Palestinians Are Descendants Of Jews AUGUST 21, 2016

90 per cent of Palestinian Arabs are descendants of Jews and 50 per cent know it.

This  would explain some curious phenomena.

When the Jordanians took over Judea and Samaria in 1948, they found no mosques there. King Hussein built the first one.

The Crusaders when they came here found that the Arabs here spoke Aramaic, not Arabic.

Both facts would be explained if most of the ďArabsĒ in this land were really former or crypto-Jews.

When the original Arabians invaded, the population was comprised of a majority of Greek-speaking Christians and a large minority of Aramaic-speaking Jews.

The Arabians did not colonize the Promised Land because they saw that this population was not hostile.

Skip ahead 400 years and a Shiíite caliph in Egypt decided to forcibly convert everyone here to Islam. The Christians cleared out. Their numbers from that day to this have remained miniscule. The Jews remained and converted.

The decree was cancelled 30 years later but only a quarter of the Jews returned to practising Judaism openly. There was a practical reason for this and you canít blame the others. Islamic society consisted of two classes of people, superiors and inferiors or ďdhimmis.Ē The dhimmis were hit with confiscatory taxes ..
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/most-palestinians-are-descendants-of-jews/

A potential solution to the conflict is a gradual realisation of this close-relatedness. "Palestinians" and Jews are the same people.

OTOH creating a palestinian state would only intensify the conflict.
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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2017, 03:58:22 PM »
You are probably unaware that you can be jailed in turkey for criticizing the government.  They arrested the family of the knicks player for his tweets.  Point being itís fine to piss off the right people.   What we dont need are you and other treasonous types siding with the enemy because you think truth is relative. 
Ping pong diplomacy was a mistake, itís kicking the china can down the road .
Pissing off the right people or pissing off everyone? Pretty soon the US will be as isolated as Tom Hanks in Cast Away if tumpy keeps it up.

Palestinians are the enemy? Or all Muslims?

Funny that you criticize Turkey for curtailing free speech and you call me treasonous for engaging in it.

Okay treasonous is a bit strong.   Letís just say anti- american.   You have a right to be it, but no one has to like you or listen to you,and it should be understood that you are in fact undermining the us at all costs by siding with terrible countries .     Engage away, but in turkey you canít post one thing about the president without getting in to trouble.  So you should measure the US in this world not some stupid utopia.  Apples and oranges.

Whatís funny is how you and thousands of other post countless comments and ads depicting the US president as hitler,  and then you say things like ďwe better watch out or the US will not be popular in the world..Ē  donít you and your serial poster friends and the Media see the connection between their nasty agenda driven stories and the US popularity.     you guys want to win some seats so you will risk anything.    Itís called involuntary manslaughter . Try forming an agenda that is not prioritizing lgbtagsfzjh communities .
Never posted that.

Hitler served his country in the military. On the other hand bozo bone spurs got five, count 'em five!, deferments to avoid serving his country.

The media is not making the U.S. unpopular; your boy trumpy is.

You're grasping at straws here, jimbo.

Ah never said that, but here your saying that hitler is better because he served in the military. 

So the relentless negative coverage by the media about trump isnt making the us unpopular, itís just trump? 
Iím not even going to concede that it matters what turkey or some dirty autocratic country thinks.  Go live there . 
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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2017, 09:32:02 PM »
You are probably unaware that you can be jailed in turkey for criticizing the government.  They arrested the family of the knicks player for his tweets.  Point being itís fine to piss off the right people.   What we dont need are you and other treasonous types siding with the enemy because you think truth is relative. 
Ping pong diplomacy was a mistake, itís kicking the china can down the road .
Pissing off the right people or pissing off everyone? Pretty soon the US will be as isolated as Tom Hanks in Cast Away if tumpy keeps it up.

Palestinians are the enemy? Or all Muslims?

Funny that you criticize Turkey for curtailing free speech and you call me treasonous for engaging in it.

Okay treasonous is a bit strong.   Letís just say anti- american.   You have a right to be it, but no one has to like you or listen to you,and it should be understood that you are in fact undermining the us at all costs by siding with terrible countries .     Engage away, but in turkey you canít post one thing about the president without getting in to trouble.  So you should measure the US in this world not some stupid utopia.  Apples and oranges.

Whatís funny is how you and thousands of other post countless comments and ads depicting the US president as hitler,  and then you say things like ďwe better watch out or the US will not be popular in the world..Ē  donít you and your serial poster friends and the Media see the connection between their nasty agenda driven stories and the US popularity.     you guys want to win some seats so you will risk anything.    Itís called involuntary manslaughter . Try forming an agenda that is not prioritizing lgbtagsfzjh communities .
Never posted that.

Hitler served his country in the military. On the other hand bozo bone spurs got five, count 'em five!, deferments to avoid serving his country.

The media is not making the U.S. unpopular; your boy trumpy is.

You're grasping at straws here, jimbo.

Ah never said that, but here your saying that hitler is better because he served in the military. 

So the relentless negative coverage by the media about trump isnt making the us unpopular, itís just trump? 
Iím not even going to concede that it matters what turkey or some dirty autocratic country thinks.  Go live there .
1. You made the conclusion that hitler is better than your boy trump. I just stated the facts. And of courde DID NOT, as you continue to claim "depict him as hitler."
2. When you lie to people over and over and over again, you're bound to be unpopular.  The media just reports the lies trump comes up with.

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2017, 10:32:32 PM »
Good, now kick all the whiny Palestinians out of Israel once and for all.  Since Iran and Syria love them so much, send them there to live.  Think of all the good those countries can do feeding and housing them rather than buying them rockets and weapons.  There was never a nation called Palestine.  When the British Empire broke up, they split this land between Jews and Arabs.  The Jewish lands were much much less than today or even pre 1967.  But the hate just took over and they were immediately attacked.  Jews fought back each time and won.  They won more land.  But they never started any wars and they are not occupiers.  Fake Palestinian propaganda films including fake victims who appear dead on camera and then get up afterwards and go about their business.  Screw them.

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2017, 01:05:13 AM »
There was never a nation called Palestine.

Not many people know how this name came about. I'll tell you.

The Romans renamed the country of Judea "Palestina" as an act of spite after the Bar Khokhba revolt. They named it after the Philistines, purposely choosing the Jews most vexing enemy- even though the philistines were only a small minority in the land of Israel. The Roman emperor hoped that doing so would break the Jews link to the land by removing its jewish identity. The Philistines were loyal to the Roman Empire, and so had attained high positions in the Roman Government at the time, and thus were able to influence this decision. Of course the Jews did not attain any position in the Roman administration: they were rebelling against it.

So Israel came to be known as Palestine after the Philistines, who were in fact later subjugated by King David and brought into the fold of the people of Israel. Todays "palestinians" are not descendants of the Philistines or Canaanites, nor are they Arabs, as islamic propaganda likes to claim. They are mostly descendants of Jews and Samaritans that were forcibly converted to Islam by brutal successive muslim administrations. That is the irony.
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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2017, 08:04:43 AM »
This thread makes me sick. You f**king people who think its a good thing to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's and Israel's only are the equivalent as the hardliners in Iran, the al-qassam brigades (who you probably have no idea who they are), Hezbollah, or anyone in the likud party (again probably don't know who they are).

A 128-8 vote where Togo, Palau, Nauru, Marshall Islands, Israel, Honduras, and Guatemala voted in favor of the recognition.  Because nothing says progressive nations like the above stated (give me a F-break).

A third intifada is coming and the world WILL turn on Israel. And when that comes I hope Trump is not in office and we have a president with a backbone to see the complexities of the situation. Also, to be anti Israel is not synonymous to being anti-Semitic you simple minded f**ks. The holocaust happened...yes. But what is happening to the Palestinians since 1948 is a slow, less visualized holocaust that is sanctioned by the U.S.   

To the desktop waygook warriors who support and/or don't care about President Trump's shoot from the hip decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol I suggest you get off the computer and read about the history of the conflict.

Balfour declaration? Hussein Mcmahon correspondence? Sykes picot agreement? Dreyfus affair? Woodrow Wilson 14 points?  If you read any of the following and scratched your head as to what they are then you are a sitting on a hollow soap box spouting nonsense.

 

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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2017, 10:33:04 AM »
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This thread makes me sick. You f**king people who think its a good thing to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's and Israel's only are the equivalent as the hardliners in Iran, the al-qassam brigades (who you probably have no idea who they are), Hezbollah, or anyone in the likud party (again probably don't know who they are).

Not even close. One side has a democratic and inclusive government working towards the good of everyone and the other side wants the destruction of Israel.

Give it to the Israel.
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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2017, 10:36:24 AM »
Good, now kick all the whiny Palestinians out of Israel once and for all.  Since Iran and Syria love them so much, send them there to live.  Think of all the good those countries can do feeding and housing them rather than buying them rockets and weapons.  There was never a nation called Palestine.  When the British Empire broke up, they split this land between Jews and Arabs.  The Jewish lands were much much less than today or even pre 1967.  But the hate just took over and they were immediately attacked.  Jews fought back each time and won.  They won more land.  But they never started any wars and they are not occupiers.  Fake Palestinian propaganda films including fake victims who appear dead on camera and then get up afterwards and go about their business.  Screw them.
They attacked Egypt in 1956, along with Britain and France. They do occupy territory.

Get your facts straight before accusing others of being "fake."

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Re: One Very Human Repercussion from Trump's Jerusalem Decision
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2017, 10:38:58 AM »
This thread makes me sick. You f**king people who think its a good thing to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's and Israel's only are the equivalent as the hardliners in Iran, the al-qassam brigades (who you probably have no idea who they are), Hezbollah, or anyone in the likud party (again probably don't know who they are).

A 128-8 vote where Togo, Palau, Nauru, Marshall Islands, Israel, Honduras, and Guatemala voted in favor of the recognition.  Because nothing says progressive nations like the above stated (give me a F-break).

A third intifada is coming and the world WILL turn on Israel. And when that comes I hope Trump is not in office and we have a president with a backbone to see the complexities of the situation. Also, to be anti Israel is not synonymous to being anti-Semitic you simple minded f**ks. The holocaust happened...yes. But what is happening to the Palestinians since 1948 is a slow, less visualized holocaust that is sanctioned by the U.S.   

To the desktop waygook warriors who support and/or don't care about President Trump's shoot from the hip decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol I suggest you get off the computer and read about the history of the conflict.

Balfour declaration? Hussein Mcmahon correspondence? Sykes picot agreement? Dreyfus affair? Woodrow Wilson 14 points?  If you read any of the following and scratched your head as to what they are then you are a sitting on a hollow soap box spouting nonsense.

 

Yes being forced to live in a functional wealth producing civilized society has been rough.   I hear they are trying to sneak out of Gaza to live and work in Israel. 
Are you antifa by the way?
The Palestinians could live in peace with Israel and  they could gain land. They simply have to recognize the right of Israel to exist and not attack israel .  Itís very simple.  Without that you canít even begin to talk with them .   

You are the one who should read history.    What happened to all the Jews and Christians who were living in the Middle East? .  All the ones who lived in Baghdad?   There arenít any Muslim majority countries that have lived peaceably with other religions.   What is the history of the spread of Islam?   There are tomes about how there was no golden age for people living under Islam in Spain, despite us being taught differently.


Ask yourself what any country would do if their neighbors shot rockets at them. 


Other countries like France with millions of Muslims living among them will not vote to support the move because their young angry Muslims populations would riot.    They are cowards. 
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