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Re: harassment leads to call for more women in management.
« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2018, 12:13:52 PM »
Gogators,

A simple question. Are men and women the same?

You're saying that men and women choose different jobs as a result of a social construct, rather than them having natural tendencies to pursue different occupations (women more empathy based and men more things based).  If men and women are indeed the same, why the need for diversity? I mean, men and women are the same, right?
A simple question that's easy to answer. The need for diversity is to give everyone regardless of gender, race, or creed equal opportunity. Efforts to increase diversity are efforts to overturn centuries of inequality.

What page is that from your SJW handbook? That is a nothing statement if ever there was one.

You fully admit that two wrongs make a right and you do this under the banner of "diversity". Giving preferrence to those who have experienced "centuries of inequality" is utterly wrong. This is 2018 and the playing field has never been so level. Just because someone is a white male means in your eyes he must inherit past injustices, while non white males have an inherited victimhood so they should be given special treatment. Who feeds you this crap?

Inequality, is and has always been,  primarily due to wealth. A rich black guy/woman has far more privilege than a poor white male. However since communism has gone out of favor for the time being, wealth distribution has been put onto the back burner and social inequality is the latest tool for those who seeK to control others' lives. If it's carried out so that individuals are given more opportunity to maximise their own potential it's a good thing. However, eventually, like communism it will involve taking things from people it is felt don't deserve them by force and distributing them to others who do. Or denying people opportunities for no other other reason than race or gender. If it hasn't already. This is its greatest evil.
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Re: harassment leads to call for more women in management.
« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2018, 01:04:55 PM »
Gogators,

A simple question. Are men and women the same?

You're saying that men and women choose different jobs as a result of a social construct, rather than them having natural tendencies to pursue different occupations (women more empathy based and men more things based).  If men and women are indeed the same, why the need for diversity? I mean, men and women are the same, right?
A simple question that's easy to answer. The need for diversity is to give everyone regardless of gender, race, or creed equal opportunity. Efforts to increase diversity are efforts to overturn centuries of inequality.

What page is that from your SJW handbook? That is a nothing statement if ever there was one.

You fully admit that two wrongs make a right and you do this under the banner of "diversity". Giving preferrence to those who have experienced "centuries of inequality" is utterly wrong. This is 2018 and the playing field has never been so level. Just because someone is a white male means in your eyes he must inherit past injustices, while non white males have an inherited victimhood so they should be given special treatment. Who feeds you this crap?

Inequality, is and has always been,  primarily due to wealth. A rich black guy/woman has far more privilege than a poor white male. However since communism has gone out of favor for the time being, wealth distribution has been put onto the back burner and social inequality is the latest tool for those who seeK to control others' lives. If it's carried out so that individuals are given more opportunity to maximise their own potential it's a good thing. However, eventually, like communism it will involve taking things from people it is felt don't deserve them by force and distributing them to others who do. Or denying people opportunities for no other other reason than race or gender. If it hasn't already. This is its greatest evil.

I like that.

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Re: harassment leads to call for more women in management.
« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2018, 01:10:41 PM »
Gogators,

A simple question. Are men and women the same?

You're saying that men and women choose different jobs as a result of a social construct, rather than them having natural tendencies to pursue different occupations (women more empathy based and men more things based).  If men and women are indeed the same, why the need for diversity? I mean, men and women are the same, right?
A simple question that's easy to answer. The need for diversity is to give everyone regardless of gender, race, or creed equal opportunity. Efforts to increase diversity are efforts to overturn centuries of inequality.

What page is that from your SJW handbook? That is a nothing statement if ever there was one.

You fully admit that two wrongs make a right and you do this under the banner of "diversity". Giving preferrence to those who have experienced "centuries of inequality" is utterly wrong. This is 2018 and the playing field has never been so level. Just because someone is a white male means in your eyes he must inherit past injustices, while non white males have an inherited victimhood so they should be given special treatment. Who feeds you this crap?

Inequality, is and has always been,  primarily due to wealth. A rich black guy/woman has far more privilege than a poor white male. However since communism has gone out of favor for the time being, wealth distribution has been put onto the back burner and social inequality is the latest tool for those who seeK to control others' lives. If it's carried out so that individuals are given more opportunity to maximise their own potential it's a good thing. However, eventually, like communism it will involve taking things from people it is felt don't deserve them by force and distributing them to others who do. Or denying people opportunities for no other other reason than race or gender. If it hasn't already. This is its greatest evil.

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When Ronald S. Sullivan starts teaching his class at Harvard Law School each semester, he asks his students how many of them have been spread eagle over a police car. Every year, it's the same answer: Two or three black students and maybe one other person of color raises their hand.

"These are the kids who made it to Harvard Law at the top of their class," Sullivan said. "The common denominator is color."

Many of the high-profile killings of black men at the hands of police, including Eric Garner, Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, have involved minor infractions like driving with a broken taillight or selling loose cigarettes. Most of these men have also been poor or working class.

But high-earning professional black men say, they too, face challenges when dealing with police -- though sometimes the slights are less violent and more subtle. Wealth "helps, but its not a complete insulator," Sullivan said. "Race is still seen as a proxy for criminality."

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Re: harassment leads to call for more women in management.
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2018, 02:09:19 PM »
Here we go with the victimized black man narrative. Yeah,

I have to ask, though: do you think young black men are targeted by police because of the dispproportionate amount of young black men that commit crimes? Or, is it just for no other reason than being black and the cops have nothing better to do?



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« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2018, 02:14:04 PM »
Here we go with the victimized black man narrative. Yeah,

I have to ask, though: do you think young black men are targeted by police because of the dispproportionate amount of young black men that commit crimes? Or, is it just for no other reason than being black and the cops have nothing better to do?

I'm sure the police deliberately decide to question and search the class of people who are going to give them the greatest amount of resistance and hassle, just to liven up their days a little.

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« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2018, 02:16:34 PM »
This is a real 'noble savage'  kind of  reaction, a bit patronizing and a little bit racist. The Black man understands
The real nature of work etc...

Oh I'm sure there's plenty of black millennials who want to program social media crap and get paid big bucks, but think programming vehicle ECUs or something would be "drone work" and there are white folks from Eastern Europe or wherever that would be happy to program industrial modules or something.

This is more just a bash on the spoiled generation which thinks Instagram is substance and real but something that regulates processors that end up being used to control water flow so there's access to clean water is boring work because their friends won't give them 50 likes on facebook for it.

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« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2018, 02:22:44 PM »
I never said it's wrong to promote diversity. That's you.

As for the playing field being "so level," that's just admitting it's not level. Who feeds you this crap?

But I'll cry a crocodile tear for all the discrimination you've faced. Boo-hoo!

Diversity as a goal depends on the nature of your work. For something technical, what matters is if the person doing it is the best and most qualified.

But for something like, advertising or or stuff where you're dealing with lots of consumers and different markets and demos and that kind of thing, diversity would probably be a necessity. Same goes for certain academic disciplines in which interpretations can differ. I'd certainly want a diversity of background say, for 'History of Colonial America 1600-1750' or something like that because I think there could be vastly different (and important) interpretations. Someone of European descent might focus on vastly different things than someone of Native American descent, but it is important to have both (and more) included to give a full picture of history.

It would be like a history of WWII with just American and British researchers. You can see how it might come up a bit empty on the Eastern Front or the CBI theatre. 

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« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2018, 02:33:13 PM »
This is a real 'noble savage'  kind of  reaction, a bit patronizing and a little bit racist. The Black man understands
The real nature of work etc...

Oh I'm sure there's plenty of black millennials who want to program social media crap and get paid big bucks, but think programming vehicle ECUs or something would be "drone work" and there are white folks from Eastern Europe or wherever that would be happy to program industrial modules or something.

This is more just a bash on the spoiled generation which thinks Instagram is substance and real but something that regulates processors that end up being used to control water flow so there's access to clean water is boring work because their friends won't give them 50 likes on facebook for it.

Western countries are richer so young people can affords to dwell on frivolities to a greater extent. This will also happen eventually in the places you mentioned. What did the Chinese do when they started making money? They all started obsessing over their smart phones just like us. 

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« Reply #88 on: January 08, 2018, 02:48:15 PM »
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But for something like, advertising or or stuff where you're dealing with lots of consumers and different markets and demos and that kind of thing, diversity would probably be a necessity.

Isn't that what focus groups are for?

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Same goes for certain academic disciplines in which interpretations can differ. I'd certainly want a diversity of background say, for 'History of Colonial America 1600-1750' or something like that because I think there could be vastly different (and important) interpretations. Someone of European descent might focus on vastly different things than someone of Native American descent, but it is important to have both (and more) included to give a full picture of history.

So you'd be in favour of 50/50 race split for professors teaching Black American studies? Can't see that happening too soon.  :laugh:

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« Reply #89 on: January 08, 2018, 02:51:01 PM »
Gogators,

A simple question. Are men and women the same?

You're saying that men and women choose different jobs as a result of a social construct, rather than them having natural tendencies to pursue different occupations (women more empathy based and men more things based).  If men and women are indeed the same, why the need for diversity? I mean, men and women are the same, right?
A simple question that's easy to answer. The need for diversity is to give everyone regardless of gender, race, or creed equal opportunity. Efforts to increase diversity are efforts to overturn centuries of inequality.

What page is that from your SJW handbook? That is a nothing statement if ever there was one.

You fully admit that two wrongs make a right and you do this under the banner of "diversity". Giving preferrence to those who have experienced "centuries of inequality" is utterly wrong. This is 2018 and the playing field has never been so level. Just because someone is a white male means in your eyes he must inherit past injustices, while non white males have an inherited victimhood so they should be given special treatment. Who feeds you this crap?
I never said it's wrong to promote diversity. That's you.

As for the playing field being "so level," that's just admitting it's not level. Who feeds you this crap?

But I'll cry a crocodile tear for all the discrimination you've faced. Boo-hoo!

So I haven't faced a lot of discrimination, so we all need more diversity? Got it! Brilliant!

There will never be a completely level playing field as we all have different talents, levels of intellect, some of us use logic, others emotions so equality of opportunity will never be 100%.

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« Reply #90 on: January 08, 2018, 02:54:55 PM »
Diversity can be achieved without quotas.

If a manager of a company thinks the company can make more money if (s)he takes advice from a homosexual-trans-disabled-Muslim-woman-of-color... (s)he will hire one!

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« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2018, 03:01:57 PM »
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There will never be a completely level playing field as we all have different talents, levels of intellect, some of us use logic, others emotions so equality of opportunity will never be 100%.

Yes it's funny how issues of inequality only ever seem to focus on a few forms - race, gender and sexual orientation when there are loads of others you could bring up. Age, attractiveness, nationality, height, regionality (accent) intelligence, background, parental situation, hair colour, siblings etc.. etc.. the list is endless.

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« Reply #92 on: January 08, 2018, 03:07:00 PM »
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There will never be a completely level playing field as we all have different talents, levels of intellect, some of us use logic, others emotions so equality of opportunity will never be 100%.

Yes it's funny how issues of inequality only ever seem to focus on a few forms - race, gender and sexual orientation when there are loads of others you could bring up. Age, attractiveness, nationality, height, regionality (accent) intelligence, background, parental situation, hair colour, siblings etc.. etc.. the list is endless.
It’s all about taking from those “with” and giving to those “without”.

Who is John Galt?

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« Reply #93 on: January 08, 2018, 03:16:36 PM »
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There will never be a completely level playing field as we all have different talents, levels of intellect, some of us use logic, others emotions so equality of opportunity will never be 100%.

Yes it's funny how issues of inequality only ever seem to focus on a few forms - race, gender and sexual orientation when there are loads of others you could bring up. Age, attractiveness, nationality, height, regionality (accent) intelligence, background, parental situation, hair colour, siblings etc.. etc.. the list is endless.
There are laws in the US against nepotism, there are social services for children, discrimination by nationality violates equal opportunity laws, attractiveness is an issue in education, so your endless list is as incorrect as it is silly.

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« Reply #94 on: January 08, 2018, 03:24:54 PM »
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There will never be a completely level playing field as we all have different talents, levels of intellect, some of us use logic, others emotions so equality of opportunity will never be 100%.

Yes it's funny how issues of inequality only ever seem to focus on a few forms - race, gender and sexual orientation when there are loads of others you could bring up. Age, attractiveness, nationality, height, regionality (accent) intelligence, background, parental situation, hair colour, siblings etc.. etc.. the list is endless.
It’s all about taking from those “with” and giving to those “without”.

Who is John Galt?
Ayn Rand? Most teenagers grow out of their fascination with her "philosophy."

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« Reply #95 on: January 08, 2018, 03:43:57 PM »
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There will never be a completely level playing field as we all have different talents, levels of intellect, some of us use logic, others emotions so equality of opportunity will never be 100%.

Yes it's funny how issues of inequality only ever seem to focus on a few forms - race, gender and sexual orientation when there are loads of others you could bring up. Age, attractiveness, nationality, height, regionality (accent) intelligence, background, parental situation, hair colour, siblings etc.. etc.. the list is endless.
It’s all about taking from those “with” and giving to those “without”.

Who is John Galt?

'Atlas Shrugged'. Never heard of it. Would you recommend it?

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« Reply #96 on: January 08, 2018, 03:44:47 PM »
This is a real 'noble savage'  kind of  reaction, a bit patronizing and a little bit racist. The Black man understands
The real nature of work etc...

Oh I'm sure there's plenty of black millennials who want to program social media crap and get paid big bucks, but think programming vehicle ECUs or something would be "drone work" and there are white folks from Eastern Europe or wherever that would be happy to program industrial modules or something.

This is more just a bash on the spoiled generation which thinks Instagram is substance and real but something that regulates processors that end up being used to control water flow so there's access to clean water is boring work because their friends won't give them 50 likes on facebook for it.

Western countries are richer so young people can affords to dwell on frivolities to a greater extent. This will also happen eventually in the places you mentioned. What did the Chinese do when they started making money? They all started obsessing over their smart phones just like us.

Oh, I agree. But for right now, I think the emphasis on "substantive programming" that you might see in developing countries and how prospective coders view it is not patronizing. If anything, I think it speaks against the left's lack of diversity noise.

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« Reply #97 on: January 08, 2018, 03:51:08 PM »
This is a real 'noble savage'  kind of  reaction, a bit patronizing and a little bit racist. The Black man understands
The real nature of work etc...

Oh I'm sure there's plenty of black millennials who want to program social media crap and get paid big bucks, but think programming vehicle ECUs or something would be "drone work" and there are white folks from Eastern Europe or wherever that would be happy to program industrial modules or something.

This is more just a bash on the spoiled generation which thinks Instagram is substance and real but something that regulates processors that end up being used to control water flow so there's access to clean water is boring work because their friends won't give them 50 likes on facebook for it.

Western countries are richer so young people can affords to dwell on frivolities to a greater extent. This will also happen eventually in the places you mentioned. What did the Chinese do when they started making money? They all started obsessing over their smart phones just like us.

Oh, I agree. But for right now, I think the emphasis on "substantive programming" that you might see in developing countries and how prospective coders view it is not patronizing. If anything, I think it speaks against the left's lack of diversity noise.

Not really sure what you're on about to be honest. Rephrase?

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« Reply #98 on: January 08, 2018, 04:13:50 PM »
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There will never be a completely level playing field as we all have different talents, levels of intellect, some of us use logic, others emotions so equality of opportunity will never be 100%.

Yes it's funny how issues of inequality only ever seem to focus on a few forms - race, gender and sexual orientation when there are loads of others you could bring up. Age, attractiveness, nationality, height, regionality (accent) intelligence, background, parental situation, hair colour, siblings etc.. etc.. the list is endless.
It’s all about taking from those “with” and giving to those “without”.

Who is John Galt?
Ayn Rand? Most teenagers grow out of their fascination with her "philosophy."

You don’t need to be an acolytes of Objectivism to understand the point. If you try to take too much from the “haves” they will stop providing.

It is why communism fails.

It is why divorced men move to Jurisdictions with no reciprocal agreements.







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Re: harassment leads to call for more women in management.
« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2018, 06:16:11 PM »
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There will never be a completely level playing field as we all have different talents, levels of intellect, some of us use logic, others emotions so equality of opportunity will never be 100%.

Yes it's funny how issues of inequality only ever seem to focus on a few forms - race, gender and sexual orientation when there are loads of others you could bring up. Age, attractiveness, nationality, height, regionality (accent) intelligence, background, parental situation, hair colour, siblings etc.. etc.. the list is endless.
It’s all about taking from those “with” and giving to those “without”.

Who is John Galt?
Ayn Rand? Most teenagers grow out of their fascination with her "philosophy."

You don’t need to be an acolytes of Objectivism to understand the point. If you try to take too much from the “haves” they will stop providing.

It is why communism fails.

It is why divorced men move to Jurisdictions with no reciprocal agreements.
I don't think the haves are hurting. The bigger concern is when the have nots get fed up, like in Iran. There are a whole lot more have nots than there are haves.

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