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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2017, 12:17:51 PM »
No one is saying that no one was trampled, just that you can't leap to the conclusion that those that weren't explicitly stated as being shot were therefore trampled to death.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #81 on: October 11, 2017, 12:18:15 PM »
I am sure people were trampled. But I doubt that more than 10 of them died that way. The vast majority of the deaths would have been from being shot. A lot of the injuries are possibly due to the stampede.

Again nothing you have posted, including random quotes that don't mention anyone dying, prove your theory.
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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #82 on: October 11, 2017, 12:20:22 PM »
Eleven or twelve (one family refused to comment) of the 50 some odd victims died from gunshot wounds, according to the link above.

The rest of the victims died by other means...most (no doubt) were crushed.

Again, my point, why do the media outlets have to make it so difficult to find out the facts?

I'm surprised so many here are opposed to accurate reporting.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-victims-names-latest-list/

According to the above link, it's thirteen (still only around 20% of the deaths were by gunshot, but no word on how to prevent stampedes at future venues).

Pecan, the link you posted is a series of brief eulogies on those who died at the concerts. Of those 58 very brief stories, 15 explicitly state that the victim died of gunshot wounds. The rest don't mention direct cause of death -- although many imply it was from gunshots. Not a single one specifies that the victim died of causes other than gunshot wounds.

   Where are you getting this "death-by-trampling" information?
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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2017, 12:29:03 PM »
I am sure people were trampled. But I doubt that more than 10 of them died that way. The vast majority of the deaths would have been from being shot. A lot of the injuries are possibly due to the stampede.

Again nothing you have posted, including random quotes that don't mention anyone dying, prove your theory.
I don't understand what your "deal" is, but as I clearly stated from the get go, I would like accurate reporting, rather than some crafted "narrative" that merely misleads the masses.

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it is incredibly irresponsible and misleading in the way this tragedy has been reported by the major "news" outlets.

50 some "deaths"/"victims", why not clearly state that 18 are from gunshot wounds and 30 some are from being crushed from the stampede?

For whatever reason, you are trying to twist the above as though I was stating a FACT, when I was asking a rhetorical question.

FFS.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2017, 12:32:47 PM »
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Some people were trampled in the stampede that followed the attack. The death toll could rise further, police warned.


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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2017, 12:46:29 PM »
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Some people were trampled in the stampede that followed the attack. The death toll could rise further, police warned.
Ah, I see. I'm not sure if they intended to imply that said trampling was a cause of death though. And the rising death toll could just as easily be from those in critical condition succumbing to their wounds.

But I think that this conversation is actually proving your point: while many of the articles imply how the folk attending the concert died, none give specific, concrete information.

I wonder if this is because it's still too early. Might be that they are waiting to release the details for later, after the news industry finishes the sordid process of milking every last drop of emotional response out of the event.  :sad:


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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2017, 12:57:16 PM »
Thanks kyndo.

The media outlets are clear when they report the number of guns, but not how people actually died...that isn't just being lazy, but crafting a story, an anti-gun narrative.

Numbers are recorded for a reason.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #88 on: October 11, 2017, 12:58:44 PM »
I am sure people were trampled. But I doubt that more than 10 of them died that way. The vast majority of the deaths would have been from being shot. A lot of the injuries are possibly due to the stampede.

Again nothing you have posted, including random quotes that don't mention anyone dying, prove your theory.
I don't understand what your "deal" is, but as I clearly stated from the get go, I would like accurate reporting, rather than some crafted "narrative" that merely misleads the masses.

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it is incredibly irresponsible and misleading in the way this tragedy has been reported by the major "news" outlets.

50 some "deaths"/"victims", why not clearly state that 18 are from gunshot wounds and 30 some are from being crushed from the stampede?

For whatever reason, you are trying to twist the above as though I was stating a FACT, when I was asking a rhetorical question.

FFS.
Then why are you even bringing it up if you have no idea??
Only someone with an axe to grind gets bent out of shape that the media isnt reporting cause of death for every victim of a guy shooting hundreds of rounds out a window at them. Every normal person just assumes that they were shot.
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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #89 on: October 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM »
Huh?  Bent out of shape?  Nothing could be further from the truth.

This type of "reporting" happens every day.  Certain words, phrases, etc. get a response, as intended.

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zola..trolling me :)

OK.

I hope you have enjoyed it while it lasted.

You are dead to me...move along.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #90 on: October 11, 2017, 01:25:27 PM »
Thanks kyndo.

The media outlets are clear when they report the number of guns, but not how people actually died...that isn't just being lazy, but crafting a story, an anti-gun narrative.

Numbers are recorded for a reason.


How does reporting that 58 (59) people dies in a gun attack constitute an anti-gun narrative?

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"It was a wide range of injuries, from gunshots to shrapnel wounds, to trample injuries, to people trying to jump fences."

 On the other hand, you are definitely trying, with your "numbers" and claims of death by trampling, for some reason, to create a pro-gun narrative.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #91 on: October 11, 2017, 01:29:35 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/friend-vegas-shooter-steven-paddock-describes-him-caring-112604221--abc-news-topstories.html

Now there is this story.  Seriously why would someone who acted as his own boss, (so not a disgruntled worker), had lots of money (so not a poor person trying to rob a bank), and had a girlfriend (not a kiss-less virgin) DO THIS?!?!

I mean we can talk about how the murders were carried out but what about the motive.  Seriously?  Are we doing this for fun? 

And please can we not going into false flag theories.  I mean the only false flag theory is he was paid off by the North Korean government to do it and not about being a member of Antifa and ISIS.  Seriously those are "facts" are false and with no proof.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #92 on: October 11, 2017, 01:42:41 PM »
you are definitely trying, with your "numbers" and claims of death by trampling, for some reason, to create a pro-gun narrative.
gg,

I'm simply asking for accurate, responsible journalism.

Did you see the hack job in the KT about "crimes by foreign teachers in Korea on the rise"?

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #93 on: October 11, 2017, 01:51:08 PM »
The NYTimes:
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"It was a wide range of injuries, from gunshots to shrapnel wounds, to trample injuries, to people trying to jump fences."

Imagine "Death by Fence"  :sad:

And if the guy wasn't diving over it and getting impaled but going one leg over at a time and he fell on the post.... :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #94 on: October 11, 2017, 04:03:37 PM »
you are definitely trying, with your "numbers" and claims of death by trampling, for some reason, to create a pro-gun narrative.
gg,

I'm simply asking for accurate, responsible journalism.

Did you see the hack job in the KT about "crimes by foreign teachers in Korea on the rise"?
I don't read the KT. When I click on links to it posted here and then look at the headlines, it seems to be just sensationalism.

If that is what you truly are asking for, you're going about it in a strange way.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #95 on: October 26, 2017, 12:31:03 PM »
"The brother of Las Vegas killer Stephen Paddock was busted Wednesday for possession of more than 600 images of child pornography, authorities said."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/las-vegas-shooter-brother-busted-600-images-child-porn-article-1.3587805

So a pedo, a bank robber (the father), and a mass shooter all in the same family.

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« Reply #96 on: October 26, 2017, 12:47:26 PM »
"The brother of Las Vegas killer Stephen Paddock was busted Wednesday for possession of more than 600 images of child pornography, authorities said."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/las-vegas-shooter-brother-busted-600-images-child-porn-article-1.3587805

So a pedo, a bank robber (the father), and a mass shooter all in the same family.
Undoubtedly repugnicans one and all.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #97 on: October 26, 2017, 01:02:13 PM »
Why would a Republican shoot up a country music concert?

That's like a pro-Marijuana advocate shooting up a Phish concert.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #98 on: October 26, 2017, 02:40:15 PM »
Why would a Republican shoot up a country music concert?

That's like a pro-Marijuana advocate shooting up a Phish concert.
If you recall, that wasn't his first target.

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Re: Tragedy in Las Vegas
« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2017, 03:15:45 PM »
Why would a Republican shoot up a country music concert?

That's like a pro-Marijuana advocate shooting up a Phish concert.
If you recall, that wasn't his first target.

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