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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #220 on: August 28, 2017, 03:18:26 PM »
It's the public education system and the universities that have been indoctrinating the kids for how many years?  Where the hell are the parents?  They are asleep at the switch not challenging what their kids were taught and now the chickens are coming home to roost.  Maybe someday when they get tired of mediocrity and a shitty economy with crappy paying jobs for most, they'll wake up.  A shame on the aging hippies who quietly got into academia and saw as their duty to brainwash the next generation.  They did seem to bring the PCism into things a bit later in middle school and into high school.  But the maritimes are a bit behind the times.  So thankfully, I never got exposed to their BS too badly.  In high school, it was a mix.  Some of us thought the crap the teachers were starting to lay down were lame and we'd make fun of it.  Others ate it up.  I guess I'm borderline old millennial and young generation x.  But it does seem most leftist friends I have same age and older (really over 35) are decent to talk to.  Civil disagreements and mutual respect can go hand in hand.  Some younger leftists say 32 and younger get triggered, flip out, and will unfriend you.  Some of them need to grow up.  They just get so filled with hate. 

This said, there have been some pretty nice millennials, I've met during my time here.  It's not really fair to harp on them being lazy or anything like that as the economy has been pretty shitty for years.  I mean it's great if your in IT or some other specialized field.  But it's a "F U" to everyone else it seems.  This part makes me mad too and I can at least agree with my younger counterparts on these issues. 

Only bright side is some younger kids in high school are sick of the crap and seem to be more conservative and libertarian in some ways.  When it comes to schools trying to put garbage in your own kids heads, you got to ask your future kids what was taught today and constantly keep reinforcing your ideals to them so they don't get plowed over with nonsense. 

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« Reply #221 on: August 28, 2017, 03:26:08 PM »
It's the public education system and the universities that have been indoctrinating the kids for how many years?  Where the hell are the parents?  They are asleep at the switch not challenging what their kids were taught and now the chickens are coming home to roost.  Maybe someday when they get tired of mediocrity and a shitty economy with crappy paying jobs for most, they'll wake up.  A shame on the aging hippies who quietly got into academia and saw as their duty to brainwash the next generation.  They did seem to bring the PCism into things a bit later in middle school and into high school.  But the maritimes are a bit behind the times.  So thankfully, I never got exposed to their BS too badly.  In high school, it was a mix.  Some of us thought the crap the teachers were starting to lay down were lame and we'd make fun of it.  Others ate it up.  I guess I'm borderline old millennial and young generation x.  But it does seem most leftist friends I have same age and older (really over 35) are decent to talk to.  Civil disagreements and mutual respect can go hand in hand.  Some younger leftists say 32 and younger get triggered, flip out, and will unfriend you.  Some of them need to grow up.  They just get so filled with hate. 

This said, there have been some pretty nice millennials, I've met during my time here.  It's not really fair to harp on them being lazy or anything like that as the economy has been pretty shitty for years.  I mean it's great if your in IT or some other specialized field.  But it's a "F U" to everyone else it seems.  This part makes me mad too and I can at least agree with my younger counterparts on these issues. 

Only bright side is some younger kids in high school are sick of the crap and seem to be more conservative and libertarian in some ways.  When it comes to schools trying to put garbage in your own kids heads, you got to ask your future kids what was taught today and constantly keep reinforcing your ideals to them so they don't get plowed over with nonsense.

Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.

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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #222 on: August 28, 2017, 04:29:00 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

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« Reply #223 on: August 28, 2017, 04:37:55 PM »
It's the public education system and the universities that have been indoctrinating the kids for how many years?  Where the hell are the parents?  They are asleep at the switch not challenging what their kids were taught and now the chickens are coming home to roost.  Maybe someday when they get tired of mediocrity and a shitty economy with crappy paying jobs for most, they'll wake up.  A shame on the aging hippies who quietly got into academia and saw as their duty to brainwash the next generation.  They did seem to bring the PCism into things a bit later in middle school and into high school.  But the maritimes are a bit behind the times.  So thankfully, I never got exposed to their BS too badly.  In high school, it was a mix.  Some of us thought the crap the teachers were starting to lay down were lame and we'd make fun of it.  Others ate it up.  I guess I'm borderline old millennial and young generation x.  But it does seem most leftist friends I have same age and older (really over 35) are decent to talk to.  Civil disagreements and mutual respect can go hand in hand.  Some younger leftists say 32 and younger get triggered, flip out, and will unfriend you.  Some of them need to grow up.  They just get so filled with hate. 

This said, there have been some pretty nice millennials, I've met during my time here.  It's not really fair to harp on them being lazy or anything like that as the economy has been pretty shitty for years.  I mean it's great if your in IT or some other specialized field.  But it's a "F U" to everyone else it seems.  This part makes me mad too and I can at least agree with my younger counterparts on these issues. 

Only bright side is some younger kids in high school are sick of the crap and seem to be more conservative and libertarian in some ways.  When it comes to schools trying to put garbage in your own kids heads, you got to ask your future kids what was taught today and constantly keep reinforcing your ideals to them so they don't get plowed over with nonsense.

Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.

'Climate Science Meets a Stubborn Obstacle: Students'
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/us/education-climate-change-science-class-students.html

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« Reply #224 on: August 28, 2017, 04:42:18 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

Source and example? I'd like to see the statistics on this. And I'd like a published example, not an anecdote.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2017, 04:43:55 PM by jddavis7 »

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« Reply #225 on: August 28, 2017, 05:09:40 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

Source and example? I'd like to see the statistics on this. And I'd like a published example, not an anecdote.

So you agree with the first two points?

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« Reply #226 on: August 28, 2017, 07:50:44 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

Source and example? I'd like to see the statistics on this. And I'd like a published example, not an anecdote.

So you agree with the first two points?

Yup. TEFL programs are usually the first to snatch up the best and brightest.

Don't feed the troll  :cry:

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« Reply #227 on: August 28, 2017, 08:15:28 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'
Are you speaking from experience, you know, the part about not being very smart?

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« Reply #228 on: August 28, 2017, 08:21:22 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'
Are you speaking from experience, you know, the part about not being very smart?

Why are you making this personal? You don't need particularly high scores to major in education and it's not a difficult subject to study. That's just a fact.

https://qz.com/334926/your-college-major-is-a-pretty-good-indication-of-how-smart-you-are/
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« Reply #229 on: August 29, 2017, 09:50:13 AM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'
Are you speaking from experience, you know, the part about not being very smart?

Why are you making this personal? You don't need particularly high scores to major in education and it's not a difficult subject to study. That's just a fact.

https://qz.com/334926/your-college-major-is-a-pretty-good-indication-of-how-smart-you-are/

Eggieguffer: "You're stupid and will happily abuse your position as educator"
People: "Links please, it because so far the only proven idiot is you"
Eggieguffer: "Whoah! Why are you making it personal?"

Is this some new trolling technique the alt-right has decided to use? Has Sargon, or whoever you worship this month, told you guys to play victim because that's like kryptonite to us liberals? Is it because you lot can hardly keep banging on about alfas and betas after you ran away screaming from a bunch of teenage girls with pink helmets?

Just curious.

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« Reply #230 on: August 29, 2017, 09:54:33 AM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'
Are you speaking from experience, you know, the part about not being very smart?

Why are you making this personal? You don't need particularly high scores to major in education and it's not a difficult subject to study. That's just a fact.

https://qz.com/334926/your-college-major-is-a-pretty-good-indication-of-how-smart-you-are/

Eggieguffer: "You're stupid and will happily abuse your position as educator"
People: "Links please, it because so far the only proven idiot is you"
Eggieguffer: "Whoah! Why are you making it personal?"

Is this some new trolling technique the alt-right has decided to use? Has Sargon, or whoever you worship this month, told you guys to play victim because that's like kryptonite to us liberals? Is it because you lot can hardly keep banging on about alfas and betas after you ran away screaming from a bunch of teenage girls with pink helmets?

Just curious.

I was talking about state school teachers in the West, not assistant teachers at Korean public schools. Maybe gogators thought I was having a go at the likes of him personally but that wasn't my intention.

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« Reply #231 on: August 29, 2017, 11:54:38 AM »
Shout out to all of those justifying slavery.

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« Reply #232 on: August 29, 2017, 12:08:34 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmingly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

Source and example? I'd like to see the statistics on this. And I'd like a published example, not an anecdote.

Not OP but, obviously, that stuff isn't measurable. However, the first two statements are so we can at least look back on the past 60 or so years of study, mesh that together with our understanding of how personal biases affect our decisions (and choice of vocab), and then make some inferences about the influence of personal ideology on educators. While it may be hyperbolic to say the teachers pass off their beliefs as fact, it's not unreasonable to suspect that teachers, the majority of whom do in fact identify as liberals, would appeal to their biases when broaching a controversial subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_bias_in_academia
http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/rothman_et_al.pdf

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« Reply #233 on: August 29, 2017, 12:20:50 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmingly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

Source and example? I'd like to see the statistics on this. And I'd like a published example, not an anecdote.

Not OP but, obviously, that stuff isn't measurable. However, the first two statements are so we can at least look back on the past 60 or so years of study, mesh that together with our understanding of how personal biases affect our decisions (and choice of vocab), and then make some inferences about the influence of personal ideology on educators. While it may be hyperbolic to say the teachers pass off their beliefs as fact, it's not unreasonable to suspect that teachers, the majority of whom do in fact identify as liberals, would appeal to their biases when broaching a controversial subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_bias_in_academia
http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/rothman_et_al.pdf

In college, sure, but by that point, you're able to think critically and discuss with the teacher. OP makes it sound like elementary teachers are handing out socialist propaganda. Your beliefs should be challenged. If you never stop to reason why one side believes the opposite of you, you're not an intellectual.

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« Reply #234 on: August 29, 2017, 12:30:02 PM »
Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.

Meh. Some people aren't fit to teach certain subjects, parents or not. Public education won't necessarily insulate you from that misinformation.

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« Reply #235 on: August 29, 2017, 12:50:12 PM »
Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.

Meh. Some people aren't fit to teach certain subjects, parents or not. Public education won't necessarily insulate you from that misinformation.

Sure, but all my teachers in grade school taught from a book. Private religious education is awful about forcing beliefs. My science teacher literally just read the bible to us about creation.

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« Reply #236 on: August 29, 2017, 12:52:43 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmingly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

Source and example? I'd like to see the statistics on this. And I'd like a published example, not an anecdote.

Not OP but, obviously, that stuff isn't measurable. However, the first two statements are so we can at least look back on the past 60 or so years of study, mesh that together with our understanding of how personal biases affect our decisions (and choice of vocab), and then make some inferences about the influence of personal ideology on educators. While it may be hyperbolic to say the teachers pass off their beliefs as fact, it's not unreasonable to suspect that teachers, the majority of whom do in fact identify as liberals, would appeal to their biases when broaching a controversial subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_bias_in_academia
http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/rothman_et_al.pdf

In college, sure, but by that point, you're able to think critically and discuss with the teacher. OP makes it sound like elementary teachers are handing out socialist propaganda. Your beliefs should be challenged. If you never stop to reason why one side believes the opposite of you, you're not an intellectual.

For most people on the left their morality is closely tied to their politics. It's very easy for teachers of young kids to think they are just teaching their students the right way to think and behave rather than indoctrinating them politically.

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« Reply #237 on: August 29, 2017, 12:58:18 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmigly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'
Are you speaking from experience, you know, the part about not being very smart?

Why are you making this personal? You don't need particularly high scores to major in education and it's not a difficult subject to study. That's just a fact.

https://qz.com/334926/your-college-major-is-a-pretty-good-indication-of-how-smart-you-are/

Eggieguffer: "You're stupid and will happily abuse your position as educator"
People: "Links please, it because so far the only proven idiot is you"
Eggieguffer: "Whoah! Why are you making it personal?"

Is this some new trolling technique the alt-right has decided to use? Has Sargon, or whoever you worship this month, told you guys to play victim because that's like kryptonite to us liberals? Is it because you lot can hardly keep banging on about alfas and betas after you ran away screaming from a bunch of teenage girls with pink helmets?

Just curious.

I was talking about state school teachers in the West, not assistant teachers at Korean public schools. Maybe gogators thought I was having a go at the likes of him personally but that wasn't my intention.
Not an education major, but since you spoke with such authority on the subject, figured you were.

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« Reply #238 on: August 29, 2017, 01:03:36 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmingly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

Source and example? I'd like to see the statistics on this. And I'd like a published example, not an anecdote.

Not OP but, obviously, that stuff isn't measurable. However, the first two statements are so we can at least look back on the past 60 or so years of study, mesh that together with our understanding of how personal biases affect our decisions (and choice of vocab), and then make some inferences about the influence of personal ideology on educators. While it may be hyperbolic to say the teachers pass off their beliefs as fact, it's not unreasonable to suspect that teachers, the majority of whom do in fact identify as liberals, would appeal to their biases when broaching a controversial subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_bias_in_academia
http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/rothman_et_al.pdf

In college, sure, but by that point, you're able to think critically and discuss with the teacher. OP makes it sound like elementary teachers are handing out socialist propaganda. Your beliefs should be challenged. If you never stop to reason why one side believes the opposite of you, you're not an intellectual.

For most people on the left their morality is closely tied to their politics. It's very easy for teachers of young kids to think they are just teaching their students the right way to think and behave rather than indoctrinating them politically.
The strongly religious are typically conservative. In my limited experience teaching high school in the US, the majority of teachers were conservatives.

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« Reply #239 on: August 29, 2017, 01:13:19 PM »
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Yes, young Johnny, despite what your teachers, science, and logical people tell you, the world is flat. Father knows best.


Education majors are not usually the smartest of graduates and teachers are overwhelmingly left wing. Many of them like to pass on their political beliefs dressed up as 'fact.'

Source and example? I'd like to see the statistics on this. And I'd like a published example, not an anecdote.

Not OP but, obviously, that stuff isn't measurable. However, the first two statements are so we can at least look back on the past 60 or so years of study, mesh that together with our understanding of how personal biases affect our decisions (and choice of vocab), and then make some inferences about the influence of personal ideology on educators. While it may be hyperbolic to say the teachers pass off their beliefs as fact, it's not unreasonable to suspect that teachers, the majority of whom do in fact identify as liberals, would appeal to their biases when broaching a controversial subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_bias_in_academia
http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/rothman_et_al.pdf

In college, sure, but by that point, you're able to think critically and discuss with the teacher. OP makes it sound like elementary teachers are handing out socialist propaganda. Your beliefs should be challenged. If you never stop to reason why one side believes the opposite of you, you're not an intellectual.

For most people on the left their morality is closely tied to their politics. It's very easy for teachers of young kids to think they are just teaching their students the right way to think and behave rather than indoctrinating them politically.

Except my teacher who ignore evolution and taught creationism instead was very conservative. I struggled with science in college because I was never taught evolution in grade school like I should have.