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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #100 on: August 21, 2017, 11:40:36 AM »
"CNN Alters Headline After Claiming that Antifa Seeks 'Peace Through Violence'

"The mainstream media network appeared to praise the black-clad 'anti-Fascists'

"The always-trustworthy mainstream media news source CNN decided on Saturday to engage in hard-hitting journalism, revealing little-known information about the leftist anti-fascist, or Antifa, movement, that claims to be on the front lines of fighting white supremacy.

"Instead, they appear to have let their bias — and their tacit approval of Antifa's violent tactics — show.

"On Saturday morning, CNN published an article about the black-clad proto-Communist rabble rousers, claiming to go 'Behind the Mask,' and, bizarrely, claiming that Antifa's sole mission was to achieve 'peace through violence.' "

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19954/cnn-alters-headline-after-claiming-antifa-seeks-emily-zanotti#

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« Reply #101 on: August 21, 2017, 11:48:56 AM »
maintaining statues for incompetent soldiers .

Whatever you may think of the cause they fought for, Jackson, Lee, and others were not incompetent soldiers (though Braxton Bragg of Fort Bragg fame was rather bad).

There is a reason Jackson's Valley Campaign is taught at military schools around the globe. There is a reason military historians and generals from all countries have studied Robert E. Lee's generalship and leadership. It's not because of incompetency.

They rock up to Charlottesville in their thousands with an arsenal. Somehow, despite having the numbers and all the guns, they get bitch-slapped by a bunch of purple-haired vegans. Then, instead of going home and pondering that they aren't cut out for rucking they respond with murder.

And now, despite being defended by the most powerful man on earth, they are bawling their sad eyes all over the internet.

Nice hallucination there. Pretty much everything you've said is completely inaccurate, yet that is what you believe is true.

There were approxiamtely 250-350 of them in Charlottesville, not thousands. Also, the armed patrollers were a different group from the marchers. The armed group largely (and surprisingly) worked to keep things from getting more violent (and some on the antifa left were also armed).  The brawls that happened were small groups of marchers and antifa types that got into spontaneous and isolated skirmishes. There were a couple thousand counter-protesters who didn't get involved in any kind of physical struggle (depsite the media trying to make it look like a riot). No one got "bitch slapped". It was simply an even that turned disorderly and eventually got disbanded. What would you have the marchers do? Further engage in combat as they attempt to peacefully assemble and exercise their right to free speech?

And no, Donald Trump did not defend them. Only someone who is hallucinating can believe that "Both sides were wrong"=Defending Nazis.

Also, the President is not the most powerful man on Earth. Especially one's that have to go begging to donors. Trump doesn't and he STILL isn't the most powerful man on Earth. The most powerful men on Earth have better things to do than be President. The President is 50% figurehead, 50% referee and judge between the powers that be. He's the commissioner of the sports league. The powerful men are the owners that will be there long after the commissioner is gone.

Jackson managed to be shot by his own men. That's pretty high on the incompetent list.

Feel free to show me a picture of an antifa with an assault rifle.

But yeah, sorry about the bitchslapping comment. The right-wingers stood their ground like true viking warriors:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/who-were-the-counterprotesters-in-charlottesville.html

"A petition on the White House’s website launched this week, asking President Donald Trump to formally recognize Antifa as a terrorist organization.

"According to the petition, Antifa has earned the title of 'terrorist organization' for their 'violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims.' "
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/08/20/white-house-petition-formally-recognize-antifa-as-a-terrorist-organization/

Trump was right to condemn both sides.

Did they frighten you? Are you scared that the four nasty wasty hipsters with their bandanas are coming to get you and your tiki torch brotherhood?

Poor liddle supremacists who had nothing to protect them excepts clubs and 30 heavily armed men.



Seriously dudes. You guys had a march to celebrate slavery, got a pasting and tried to go on a killing spree. But now you're all bricking it because, oddly enough, people aren't too keen on Nazi murderers. And it's whine whine whine ever since.

I truly fail to think of any group that is a bigger punch of pu**ies.




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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #102 on: August 21, 2017, 12:05:40 PM »
Jackson managed to be shot by his own men. That's pretty high on the incompetent list.

Yes, someone getting shot because of friendly fire automatically makes them an incompetent soldier...

May I inquire as to who shares this opinion that Stonewall Jackson was an incompetent military commander? It certainly isn't virtually every general and military historian around the globe. It is YOU and ONLY YOU. Which is more likely? That they are the wrong or that YOU are?
 
But it's ok for Republicans and Nazis to carry guns in public and make death threats. Free speech!

Either both are okay or neither are. Take your pick.

Seriously dudes. You guys had a march to celebrate slavery, got a pasting and tried to go on a killing spree. But now you're all bricking it because, oddly enough, people aren't too keen on Nazi murderers. And it's whine whine whine ever since.

I didn't march with them, nor do I agree with them.

No one got a pasting, that is your hallucination. Besides, they should have the right to assemble peacefully without threat of violence, no matter how repugnant their message. The same measures that protect them will protect you.

Also, "they" and "we" didn't go on a killing spree. That is what you've imagined in your mind and declared to be true. What really happened is that a single individual on his own decided to drive his car into the crowd.

Did they frighten you? Are you scared that the four nasty wasty hipsters with their bandanas are coming to get you and your tiki torch brotherhood?

Actually that picture was posted in response to your bullshit claim that none of the counterprotesters had any firearms with them.

Of course, instead of admitting your mistake you decided to respond with insults.
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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #103 on: August 21, 2017, 12:08:35 PM »
My favourite part of all this is that the Tiki torch snowflakes have probably caused the removal of loads of confederate statues.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/16/us/confederate-monuments-removed.html?mcubz=1

Good. What's with this participation trophy culture anyway? Grant, Sherman, Sheridan and Lincoln. They are worth statues. Why commemorate a bunch of racist losers?

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« Reply #104 on: August 21, 2017, 12:14:22 PM »
As a non-American, and someone who finds the Second Amendment to be totally anachronistic, I find it amazing to see all these 'peaceful' protesters tooled up like this.  Who turns up to a 'peaceful protest with a gun?' To me, it looks completely ridiculous.  Whether it is concealed or showing when you're walking around with an effing assault rifle, just defies all belief.  Surprised someone got run over, when they must be looking at each other and saying 'if only we had some way to make more of a point in this demonstration, to scare the other demonstrators off'.  Forgetting they have a massive minigun hanging around their neck.  Nuts, pure and simple nuts.

First, it's not a minigun. One of the dumbest things anti-gun people do is completely botch the terms used with firearms. It's like trying to talk about cars but not knowing the difference between a V6 and an inline-4. People just can't take you seriously.

The reason they showed up with a gun is that over the past 6 months, leftwing protesters, primarily antifa, have shown up with sticks, bricks, and pepper spray and deliberately attacked people who were attending speeches given by authors who weren't Nazis or White Supremacists, but rather simply too conservative for their tastes. These attacks included things like pepper spraying girls in the face for wearing Trump hats and hitting them with sticks.

Eventually the people on the right decided they had enough of being attacked by mobs while the police did nothing and so they decided to defend their right to assemble and engage in free speech. Maybe if people on the left had the emotional and physical self-control to counterprotest in a peaceful and legal manner, this wouldn't be necessary.

I do agree that it's terrible optics and they'd be far better served by going in unarmed. Triggering the leftists by singing "We Shall Overcome" or something while sitting in a circle, and letting the deranged the mob attack.

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« Reply #105 on: August 21, 2017, 12:22:59 PM »
As a non-American, and someone who finds the Second Amendment to be totally anachronistic, I find it amazing to see all these 'peaceful' protesters tooled up like this.  Who turns up to a 'peaceful protest with a gun?' To me, it looks completely ridiculous.  Whether it is concealed or showing when you're walking around with an effing assault rifle, just defies all belief.  Surprised someone got run over, when they must be looking at each other and saying 'if only we had some way to make more of a point in this demonstration, to scare the other demonstrators off'.  Forgetting they have a massive minigun hanging around their neck.  Nuts, pure and simple nuts.

First, it's not a minigun. One of the dumbest things anti-gun people do is completely botch the terms used with firearms. It's like trying to talk about cars but not knowing the difference between a V6 and an inline-4. People just can't take you seriously.

The reason they showed up with a gun is that over the past 6 months, leftwing protesters, primarily antifa, have shown up with sticks, bricks, and pepper spray and deliberately attacked people who were attending speeches given by authors who weren't Nazis or White Supremacists, but rather simply too conservative for their tastes. These attacks included things like pepper spraying girls in the face for wearing Trump hats and hitting them with sticks.

Eventually the people on the right decided they had enough of being attacked by mobs while the police did nothing and so they decided to defend their right to assemble and engage in free speech. Maybe if people on the left had the emotional and physical self-control to counterprotest in a peaceful and legal manner, this wouldn't be necessary.

I do agree that it's terrible optics and they'd be far better served by going in unarmed. Triggering the leftists by singing "We Shall Overcome" or something while sitting in a circle, and letting the deranged the mob attack.

You are completely ignoring the Tea Party and the fear of big government. Yes these nazis want to defend themselves from Alt-left, but also much more importantly to defend against their own government.... sound familiar???

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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #106 on: August 21, 2017, 12:26:37 PM »
"CNN Alters Headline After Claiming that Antifa Seeks 'Peace Through Violence'

"The mainstream media network appeared to praise the black-clad 'anti-Fascists'

"The always-trustworthy mainstream media news source CNN decided on Saturday to engage in hard-hitting journalism, revealing little-known information about the leftist anti-fascist, or Antifa, movement, that claims to be on the front lines of fighting white supremacy.

"Instead, they appear to have let their bias — and their tacit approval of Antifa's violent tactics — show.

"On Saturday morning, CNN published an article about the black-clad proto-Communist rabble rousers, claiming to go 'Behind the Mask,' and, bizarrely, claiming that Antifa's sole mission was to achieve 'peace through violence.' "

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19954/cnn-alters-headline-after-claiming-antifa-seeks-emily-zanotti#

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

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« Reply #107 on: August 21, 2017, 12:27:59 PM »
"CNN Alters Headline After Claiming that Antifa Seeks 'Peace Through Violence'

"The mainstream media network appeared to praise the black-clad 'anti-Fascists'

"The always-trustworthy mainstream media news source CNN decided on Saturday to engage in hard-hitting journalism, revealing little-known information about the leftist anti-fascist, or Antifa, movement, that claims to be on the front lines of fighting white supremacy.

"Instead, they appear to have let their bias — and their tacit approval of Antifa's violent tactics — show.

"On Saturday morning, CNN published an article about the black-clad proto-Communist rabble rousers, claiming to go 'Behind the Mask,' and, bizarrely, claiming that Antifa's sole mission was to achieve 'peace through violence.' "

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19954/cnn-alters-headline-after-claiming-antifa-seeks-emily-zanotti#

Oops. You can't make this stuff up.
Antifa began where? when? for what purpose?

Why does it continue to exit?

Learn the truth, bud, rather than attacking and distorting it.

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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #108 on: August 21, 2017, 12:32:04 PM »
Good. What's with this participation trophy culture anyway? Grant, Sherman, Sheridan and Lincoln. They are worth statues. Why commemorate a bunch of racist losers?
If you actually read any history books instead of just posting ignorance on the internet, you'd know that Stonewall Jackson was greatly admired in the local black community as a religious instructor. Robert E. Lee was about as good of a slave owner as you could get and his slaves were essentially servants who were free to earn a living outside of their required service and whom he had no trouble letting move on to independence and freedom. Are they progressive? No, but by the standards of their time and place they were certainly far from RACIST!!! Now, of course there was better such as John Brown or Wendell Phillips, but as far as Confederates go, they are pretty good and certainly better than a number of Northerners.

It's ironic that you mention names like Sherman and Sheridan when discussing "racists worthy of statues", because when it comes to Native Americans, those two are looked on with as much disgust as a Bedfrord Forrest or Davis might be.

Nice to see you praising racists.

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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #109 on: August 21, 2017, 12:43:07 PM »
As a non-American, and someone who finds the Second Amendment to be totally anachronistic, I find it amazing to see all these 'peaceful' protesters tooled up like this.  Who turns up to a 'peaceful protest with a gun?' To me, it looks completely ridiculous.  Whether it is concealed or showing when you're walking around with an effing assault rifle, just defies all belief.  Surprised someone got run over, when they must be looking at each other and saying 'if only we had some way to make more of a point in this demonstration, to scare the other demonstrators off'.  Forgetting they have a massive minigun hanging around their neck.  Nuts, pure and simple nuts.

First, it's not a minigun. One of the dumbest things anti-gun people do is completely botch the terms used with firearms. It's like trying to talk about cars but not knowing the difference between a V6 and an inline-4. People just can't take you seriously.

Yeah Dave! How dare you say a gun is scary when you don't know the difference between a 5.56 Killtec M16 with tactical nightsights and AR28 with direct gas impingement? Only gun nuts are allowed to find a sodding military rifle intimidating. N00B  :rolleyes:

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Eventually the people on the right decided they had enough of being attacked by mobs while the police did nothing and so they decided to defend their right to assemble and engage in free speech. Maybe if people on the left had the emotional and physical self-control to counterprotest in a peaceful and legal manner, this wouldn't be necessary.

Here's a picture of poor victimised alt-righters reluctantly but bravely defending themselves in Charlottesville:




I mean, that was a sharp looking back-pack that man was wearing. And look at the menacing way he crawls and tries to shield his head. What a bunch of noble fellows! Braver souls have yet to walk the earth.




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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #110 on: August 21, 2017, 12:54:14 PM »
Arabin, every singe one of your posts in this thread has contained some form of sarcasm. How about trying to be a little less confrontational?

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« Reply #111 on: August 21, 2017, 01:03:40 PM »
Arabin, every singe one of your posts in this thread has contained some form of sarcasm. How about trying to be a little less confrontational?



This is how the thread started:

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Once again...spoiled millennials on a college campus destroy a piece of history because it was "triggering" their frail emotions. I wish these jerks would make themselves useful and get a summer job to pay for their SJW education.

Not exactly a  call to reflect soberly on the nature of hate and the way historical symbols influence contemporary social interactions.

But feel free to tell me how to mildly discuss a bunch of cowards wailing with staves on a prostrate man. Or how I could respectfully listen to the points of views of scumbags who murder women because they didn't like being told they weren't superior to POC.

Sarcasm is the least that the bros deserve. But even then they cry their little eyes out and wail that the world is unfair to them.

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« Reply #112 on: August 21, 2017, 01:16:02 PM »
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« Reply #113 on: August 21, 2017, 01:27:20 PM »
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But feel free to tell me how to mildly discuss a bunch of cowards wailing with staves on a prostrate man. Or how I could respectfully listen to the points of views of scumbags who murder women because they didn't like being told they weren't superior to POC.

You're doing it again.

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« Reply #114 on: August 21, 2017, 01:41:24 PM »
Good. What's with this participation trophy culture anyway? Grant, Sherman, Sheridan and Lincoln. They are worth statues. Why commemorate a bunch of racist losers?
If you actually read any history books instead of just posting ignorance on the internet, you'd know that Stonewall Jackson was greatly admired in the local black community as a religious instructor. Robert E. Lee was about as good of a slave owner as you could get and his slaves were essentially servants who were free to earn a living outside of their required service and whom he had no trouble letting move on to independence and freedom. Are they progressive? No, but by the standards of their time and place they were certainly far from RACIST!!! Now, of course there was better such as John Brown or Wendell Phillips, but as far as Confederates go, they are pretty good and certainly better than a number of Northerners.

It's ironic that you mention names like Sherman and Sheridan when discussing "racists worthy of statues", because when it comes to Native Americans, those two are looked on with as much disgust as a Bedfrord Forrest or Davis might be.

Nice to see you praising racists.
Would a first-person account meet your research requirements, professor?

http://fair-use.org/national-anti-slavery-standard/1866/04/14/robert-e-lee-his-brutality-to-his-slaves

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My name is Wesley Norris; I was born a slave on the plantation of George Parke Custis; after the death of Mr. Custis, Gen. Lee, who had been made executor of the estate, assumed control of the slaves, in number about seventy; it was the general impression among the slaves of Mr. Custis that on his death they should be forever free; in fact this statement had been made to them by Mr. C. years before; at his death we were informed by Gen. Lee that by the conditions of the will we must remain slaves for five years; I remained with Gen. Lee for about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where, in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable, was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to "lay it on well," an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done. After this my cousin and myself were sent to Hanover Court-House jail, my sister being sent to Richmond to an agent to be hired; we remained in jail about a week, when we were sent to Nelson county, where we were hired out by Gen. Lee’s agent to work on the Orange and Alexander railroad; we remained thus employed for about seven months, and were then sent to Alabama, and put to work on what is known as the Northeastern railroad; in January, 1863, we were sent to Richmond, from which place I finally made my escape through the rebel lines to freedom; I have nothing further to say; what I have stated is true in every particular, and I can at any time bring at least a dozen witnesses, both white and black, to substantiate my statements: I am at present employed by the Government; and am at work in the National Cemetery on Arlington Heights, where I can be found by those who desire further particulars; my sister referred to is at present employed by the French Minister at Washington, and will confirm my statement. (¶ 2)

Jackson appears to have been fairly enlightened for the times, an so it's no surprise that his descendants are calling for the removal of all confederate statutes.

And professor, how are you defining "pretty good?" As in Thomas Jefferson was a pretty good slave owner except for raping 14-year-old girls?

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« Reply #115 on: August 21, 2017, 02:00:09 PM »

When does it stop? It doesn't. It's possible to find something wrong with almost any historical figure. Every civilization has a history of inequality.

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New York activist Al Sharpton offered an emotional and personal case calling for the federal government to halt funding to Washington, D.C.'s Jefferson Memorial.

Sharpton said America's third president and the author of the Declaration of Independence had several slaves.

His iconic round-roofed memorial sits on the edge of Potomac River- the first of several monuments lining Washington's Ohio Drive.

Sharpton also noted how Jefferson is said to have fathered a child with a slave named Sally Hemings.

"People need to understand that people were enslaved," Sharpton told PBS' Charlie Rose.

He said that his great-grandfather was a slave who was owned by an ancestor of former Sen. J. Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.).
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/16/al-sharpton-jefferson-memorial-charlottesville-white-supremacist-violence-donald-trump

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« Reply #116 on: August 21, 2017, 02:03:06 PM »
Good. What's with this participation trophy culture anyway? Grant, Sherman, Sheridan and Lincoln. They are worth statues. Why commemorate a bunch of racist losers?
If you actually read any history books instead of just posting ignorance on the internet, you'd know that Stonewall Jackson was greatly admired in the local black community as a religious instructor. Robert E. Lee was about as good of a slave owner as you could get and his slaves were essentially servants who were free to earn a living outside of their required service and whom he had no trouble letting move on to independence and freedom. Are they progressive? No, but by the standards of their time and place they were certainly far from RACIST!!! Now, of course there was better such as John Brown or Wendell Phillips, but as far as Confederates go, they are pretty good and certainly better than a number of Northerners.

It's ironic that you mention names like Sherman and Sheridan when discussing "racists worthy of statues", because when it comes to Native Americans, those two are looked on with as much disgust as a Bedfrord Forrest or Davis might be.

Nice to see you praising racists.
Would a first-person account meet your research requirements, professor?

http://fair-use.org/national-anti-slavery-standard/1866/04/14/robert-e-lee-his-brutality-to-his-slaves

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My name is Wesley Norris; I was born a slave on the plantation of George Parke Custis; after the death of Mr. Custis, Gen. Lee, who had been made executor of the estate, assumed control of the slaves, in number about seventy; it was the general impression among the slaves of Mr. Custis that on his death they should be forever free; in fact this statement had been made to them by Mr. C. years before; at his death we were informed by Gen. Lee that by the conditions of the will we must remain slaves for five years; I remained with Gen. Lee for about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where, in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable, was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to "lay it on well," an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done. After this my cousin and myself were sent to Hanover Court-House jail, my sister being sent to Richmond to an agent to be hired; we remained in jail about a week, when we were sent to Nelson county, where we were hired out by Gen. Lee’s agent to work on the Orange and Alexander railroad; we remained thus employed for about seven months, and were then sent to Alabama, and put to work on what is known as the Northeastern railroad; in January, 1863, we were sent to Richmond, from which place I finally made my escape through the rebel lines to freedom; I have nothing further to say; what I have stated is true in every particular, and I can at any time bring at least a dozen witnesses, both white and black, to substantiate my statements: I am at present employed by the Government; and am at work in the National Cemetery on Arlington Heights, where I can be found by those who desire further particulars; my sister referred to is at present employed by the French Minister at Washington, and will confirm my statement. (¶ 2)

Jackson appears to have been fairly enlightened for the times, an so it's no surprise that his descendants are calling for the removal of all confederate statutes.

And professor, how are you defining "pretty good?" As in Thomas Jefferson was a pretty good slave owner except for raping 14-year-old girls?

Excellent work my fine fellow. It's possible Mr Martino is an adherent to the Lost Cause notion that Lee is so central to. The Ashley Wilkes school of historical revisionism:

"Everybody on the confederate side was going to free the slaves anyway. And the slaves had it good. Didn't Mammy and Pork stay at Tara after emancipation? So you can see, the slaughter of hundreds of thousands because the mint julep mob didn't accept the rule of the majority was really noble after all."

Actually I don't think Martino is a white supremacist. It's just his contrarian nature has led him down a path where he is now stuck defending slavers, nazis and murderers. Maybe we should let him bow out of this one. But only after he's explained what good slavery is.


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« Reply #117 on: August 21, 2017, 02:20:25 PM »
This is where it started- The Berkeley Protest where Milo Yiannopolous was scheduled to speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weEHrEsb9Ws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBvmLCjbSng

Antifa started it. They denied people the right to peacefully assemble and engage in their Constitutionally protected rights. They're the ones who first brought weapons. They are the ones who first decided to use violence. Incidents like this happened at other events across the country before Charlottesville.

Now, not all protesters are antifa, in particular the people who were run over by the car and if they were protesting in the sidewalk opposite or whatever, then they were doing what they were supposed to be doing.

Part of living in this country is you need to have the emotional and physical self-control to see something like those marchers and be able to hold your counterprotest without losing emotional control.

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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #118 on: August 21, 2017, 02:29:34 PM »

Antifa started it.

Not really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland

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Now, not all protesters are antifa, in particular the people who were run over by the car and if they were protesting in the sidewalk opposite or whatever, then they were doing what they were supposed to be doing.

So if they were on the wrong pavement it's OK for them to be mowed down? It's all about the permits with you lot.

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Part of living in this country is you need to have the emotional and physical self-control to see something like those marchers and be able to hold your counterprotest without losing emotional control.

This is the good kind of protest against an ideology of mass murder.


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Re: Spoiled Millennials take down Confederate Statue and kick it.
« Reply #119 on: August 21, 2017, 03:11:45 PM »
Not really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland

Oh for effs sake, these protests are all connected to Trump's election.

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So if they were on the wrong pavement it's OK for them to be mowed down? It's all about the permits with you lot.

No one said that. What is being said is that they don't have the right to assault the marchers, no matter how vile their message is.

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This is the good kind of protest against an ideology of mass murder.

Actually, the best would probably have been to ignore it. Unless you believe that by ignoring it, a bunch of residents would have put down their smartphones and stopped watching baseball to run out and join them. I'm sure that this protest totally prevented what would have been the inevitable rise of the Fourth Reich.  :rolleyes:

If you have to protest, protest peacefully in a nearby separate area.