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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #100 on: January 16, 2018, 09:54:37 AM »
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Underrepresented based on merit and ability? Or underrepresented based on discriminatory hiring practices?

You know it could be that they're underrepresented based on the number of applications the company gets.

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Social care and nursing is underpaid and the majority of those workers are women. Your last flippant comment reeks of James Damore.

So do you think social care and nursing are underpaid because they're fields dominated by women. Or because they're mostly public sector, non wealth producing fields that women happen to be drawn to?

Veterinarians make mega-bucks!

True, though I guess now that the majority of vets are women, the patriarchy will get together and  somehow conspire to ensure the field as a whole becomes less lucrative.

We will get right on that, once we address the pay disparity in porn.
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #101 on: January 16, 2018, 10:12:41 AM »
@Andyman. Your article's title is a bit perplexing "Science doesn't explain tech's diversity problem".  My immediate question is: why is it a problem? Why is the lack of females in tech a problem? Who is it a problem for? I don't see articles about the lack of female bricklayers or sewage workers. There's a lack of diversity in those fields doesn't seem to be a problem.  I don't see the lack of male childcare workers or nurses a problem, either.

The article then states "women earn the majority of bachelor’s degrees in biology, half the bachelor’s degrees in chemistry, and a little under half the bachelor’s degrees in math. " Why does this mean that women instantly want a career in tech? There are dozens of careers that require the hard sciences as a basis for employment. Women in science gravitate to their interests which are in the medical and health fields. That's a poorly laid out argument by the writer that, just because a large amount of women like science, that means a large proportion want to be a tech geek and code all day.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/16/16153740/tech-diversity-problem-science-history-explainer-inequality

The fact is, women in the West have a 100% ability to make their own decisions in their lives. There's no patriarchy, there is absolutely ZERO barrier to stop women getting into tech if they want to.

If you take a look at the figures below, you'll see women dominate education, speech pathology, nursing, childcare, nutrition, social work, vet science and a host of other occupations. Is this all a social construct? Or are women doing what I hope they can do; making their own life choices?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/03/06/chart-the-percentage-women-and-men-each-profession/GBX22YsWl0XaeHghwXfE4H/story.html


 



Stereotype much?

I hope you're not one of those dudes who complain when jobs posted in Korea call for females.

That's your argument? Attack the person rather than what he/she has to say?

What stereotype? I give evidence that women dominate certain fields and men others. I made no mention that women have to do certain jobs. I made sure I said women should be given the opportunity to follow whatever careers interest them and that seems to be the case.


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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2018, 10:25:20 AM »
@Andyman. Your article's title is a bit perplexing "Science doesn't explain tech's diversity problem".  My immediate question is: why is it a problem? Why is the lack of females in tech a problem? Who is it a problem for? I don't see articles about the lack of female bricklayers or sewage workers. There's a lack of diversity in those fields doesn't seem to be a problem.  I don't see the lack of male childcare workers or nurses a problem, either.

The article then states "women earn the majority of bachelor’s degrees in biology, half the bachelor’s degrees in chemistry, and a little under half the bachelor’s degrees in math. " Why does this mean that women instantly want a career in tech? There are dozens of careers that require the hard sciences as a basis for employment. Women in science gravitate to their interests which are in the medical and health fields. That's a poorly laid out argument by the writer that, just because a large amount of women like science, that means a large proportion want to be a tech geek and code all day.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/16/16153740/tech-diversity-problem-science-history-explainer-inequality

The fact is, women in the West have a 100% ability to make their own decisions in their lives. There's no patriarchy, there is absolutely ZERO barrier to stop women getting into tech if they want to.

If you take a look at the figures below, you'll see women dominate education, speech pathology, nursing, childcare, nutrition, social work, vet science and a host of other occupations. Is this all a social construct? Or are women doing what I hope they can do; making their own life choices?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/03/06/chart-the-percentage-women-and-men-each-profession/GBX22YsWl0XaeHghwXfE4H/story.html


 

It's considered a 'problem' because tech is well paid. The first line references this when it says 'the idea that biological differences drive social inequality is considered fairly offensive.' Thus women are deemed to be socially unequal to men because overall they get paid less. I'm not sure if the writer actually believes that biological differences have nothing to do with more women going into childcare, for example, or that their biological differences do lead them into fields like childcare, which men then ensure are badly paid.

Yes, that's probably the very epicentre of the Left's issues; men earn more than women which is naturally an injustice. Women are then seen as victims so we have to fix this problem. Blacks, Asians and other minorities are also underrepresented, so we have to even things up to represent the world around us and thus make ourselves feel good about ourselves.

I wonder if more women would be encouraged into tech if tech was poorly paid; I think we all know the answer to that one.  ;D

Underrepresented based on merit and ability? Or underrepresented based on discriminatory hiring practices?

Social care and nursing is underpaid and the majority of those workers are women. Your last flippant comment reeks of James Damore.

Can you prove that men get preferential treatment over women in the tech field? It seems these days being a female is an advantage in the tech field as we've got to have diversity, don't we? We even have to have "diversity training" so we can have more diversity.

Using your argument, can I say that women outnumber men in vet science due to discriminatory hiring practices? No, I wouldn't say anything as stupid as that. I would say that more women than men have an interest in that field.

I agree that social workers and nurses get underpaid, but no one forces women into those occupations. I think women are smart enough to research how much they are expected to be paid before entering social work or nursing.They choose those occupations knowing full well how much they're going to get paid.  If I woman's number one aim is to have a highly-paid occupation, than she should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping them. 

Your comments reek of unfounded victimhood.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #103 on: January 16, 2018, 10:27:31 AM »
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Underrepresented based on merit and ability? Or underrepresented based on discriminatory hiring practices?

You know it could be that they're underrepresented based on the number of applications the company gets.

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Social care and nursing is underpaid and the majority of those workers are women. Your last flippant comment reeks of James Damore.

So do you think social care and nursing are underpaid because they're fields dominated by women. Or because they're mostly public sector, non wealth producing fields that women happen to be drawn to?

Veterinarians make mega-bucks!

That's why we don't need more diversity in vet science. Women come out on top!

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #104 on: January 16, 2018, 10:43:42 AM »
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Underrepresented based on merit and ability? Or underrepresented based on discriminatory hiring practices?

You know it could be that they're underrepresented based on the number of applications the company gets.

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Social care and nursing is underpaid and the majority of those workers are women. Your last flippant comment reeks of James Damore.

So do you think social care and nursing are underpaid because they're fields dominated by women. Or because they're mostly public sector, non wealth producing fields that women happen to be drawn to?

A lot more women are drawn to the tech sector. I think if the work as CJ insinuated was underpaid then I think they would still be drawn to the tech sector if tech was their "thing".

A lot of public sector jobs are underpaid: nurses, doctor, firefighter, etc. Being a man or woman and sector pay levels is nothing to do with their choice to do those jobs. It's a straw man argument.

CJ's premise was if tech jobs paid peanuts then less women would apply. My point was counter to this.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #105 on: January 16, 2018, 10:49:04 AM »
@Andyman. Your article's title is a bit perplexing "Science doesn't explain tech's diversity problem".  My immediate question is: why is it a problem? Why is the lack of females in tech a problem? Who is it a problem for? I don't see articles about the lack of female bricklayers or sewage workers. There's a lack of diversity in those fields doesn't seem to be a problem.  I don't see the lack of male childcare workers or nurses a problem, either.

The article then states "women earn the majority of bachelor’s degrees in biology, half the bachelor’s degrees in chemistry, and a little under half the bachelor’s degrees in math. " Why does this mean that women instantly want a career in tech? There are dozens of careers that require the hard sciences as a basis for employment. Women in science gravitate to their interests which are in the medical and health fields. That's a poorly laid out argument by the writer that, just because a large amount of women like science, that means a large proportion want to be a tech geek and code all day.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/16/16153740/tech-diversity-problem-science-history-explainer-inequality

The fact is, women in the West have a 100% ability to make their own decisions in their lives. There's no patriarchy, there is absolutely ZERO barrier to stop women getting into tech if they want to.

If you take a look at the figures below, you'll see women dominate education, speech pathology, nursing, childcare, nutrition, social work, vet science and a host of other occupations. Is this all a social construct? Or are women doing what I hope they can do; making their own life choices?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/03/06/chart-the-percentage-women-and-men-each-profession/GBX22YsWl0XaeHghwXfE4H/story.html


 

It's considered a 'problem' because tech is well paid. The first line references this when it says 'the idea that biological differences drive social inequality is considered fairly offensive.' Thus women are deemed to be socially unequal to men because overall they get paid less. I'm not sure if the writer actually believes that biological differences have nothing to do with more women going into childcare, for example, or that their biological differences do lead them into fields like childcare, which men then ensure are badly paid.

Yes, that's probably the very epicentre of the Left's issues; men earn more than women which is naturally an injustice. Women are then seen as victims so we have to fix this problem. Blacks, Asians and other minorities are also underrepresented, so we have to even things up to represent the world around us and thus make ourselves feel good about ourselves.

I wonder if more women would be encouraged into tech if tech was poorly paid; I think we all know the answer to that one.  ;D

Underrepresented based on merit and ability? Or underrepresented based on discriminatory hiring practices?

Social care and nursing is underpaid and the majority of those workers are women. Your last flippant comment reeks of James Damore.

Can you prove that men get preferential treatment over women in the tech field? It seems these days being a female is an advantage in the tech field as we've got to have diversity, don't we? We even have to have "diversity training" so we can have more diversity.

Using your argument, can I say that women outnumber men in vet science due to discriminatory hiring practices? No, I wouldn't say anything as stupid as that. I would say that more women than men have an interest in that field.

I agree that social workers and nurses get underpaid, but no one forces women into those occupations. I think women are smart enough to research how much they are expected to be paid before entering social work or nursing.They choose those occupations knowing full well how much they're going to get paid.  If I woman's number one aim is to have a highly-paid occupation, than she should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping them. 

Your comments reek of unfounded victimhood.

In Korea, I've found that veterinarians are split roughly 50/50 male/female. With perhaps, there being slightly more male vets.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #106 on: January 16, 2018, 11:14:55 AM »
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Underrepresented based on merit and ability? Or underrepresented based on discriminatory hiring practices?

You know it could be that they're underrepresented based on the number of applications the company gets.

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Social care and nursing is underpaid and the majority of those workers are women. Your last flippant comment reeks of James Damore.

So do you think social care and nursing are underpaid because they're fields dominated by women. Or because they're mostly public sector, non wealth producing fields that women happen to be drawn to?

A lot more women are drawn to the tech sector. I think if the work as CJ insinuated was underpaid then I think they would still be drawn to the tech sector if tech was their "thing".

A lot of public sector jobs are underpaid: nurses, doctor, firefighter, etc. Being a man or woman and sector pay levels is nothing to do with their choice to do those jobs. It's a straw man argument.

CJ's premise was if tech jobs paid peanuts then less women would apply. My point was counter to this.

It's a pity the numbers don't add up to your argument. Tech is not very popular with women; biology is.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/women-in-tech_n_6955940.html

When I googled this, all I found on the first page was articles, all written by women, of how "depressing" is was that there are so few women in tech and that tech is a "boys' club". Am I to say that nursing is a girls' club?

Yes, that's one of my main points. Men are represented a lot more in tech than women are. As tech is highly-paid, and that there is a gender pay gap, the best way of making things more even is to get more women in tech. As seen above, women are not very interested in tech, so women need to invent a conspiracy theory that there is some kind of issue.

What's the sample size on the amount of vets you've visited? 10? 20? 4? Not exactly statistically significant.


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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #107 on: January 16, 2018, 11:25:41 AM »
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Underrepresented based on merit and ability? Or underrepresented based on discriminatory hiring practices?

You know it could be that they're underrepresented based on the number of applications the company gets.

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Social care and nursing is underpaid and the majority of those workers are women. Your last flippant comment reeks of James Damore.

So do you think social care and nursing are underpaid because they're fields dominated by women. Or because they're mostly public sector, non wealth producing fields that women happen to be drawn to?

A lot more women are drawn to the tech sector. I think if the work as CJ insinuated was underpaid then I think they would still be drawn to the tech sector if tech was their "thing".

No they are not. Look at the stats. Women are not drawn to tech. If tech was their thing, they would be drawn to it regardless of salary but they are not drawn to it. It's funny out of all the jobs that women are not into, tech is one of the highest paid and seems to be the one with the biggest push for women to get into.

A lot of public sector jobs are underpaid: nurses, doctor, firefighter, etc. Being a man or woman and sector pay levels is nothing to do with their choice to do those jobs. It's a straw man argument.

Right. So why did mention that social care workers and nurses are underpaid then? Two jobs in which women dominate

CJ's premise was if tech jobs paid peanuts then less women would apply. My point was counter to this.

Well, you can try again.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #108 on: January 16, 2018, 11:28:26 AM »
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I agree that social workers and nurses get underpaid, but no one forces women into those occupations. I think women are smart enough to research how much they are expected to be paid before entering social work or nursing.They choose those occupations knowing full well how much they're going to get paid.  If I woman's number one aim is to have a highly-paid occupation, than she should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping them.

I agree that diversity targets and training courses are imperfect tools for achieving outcomes that might be excessively idealistic. I think white men are smart enough to research their companies' diversity policies before they choose to accept a job.They choose those occupations knowing full well that diversity programs are being undertaken by their HR departments.  If a white man's number one aim is to have a job that doesn't have a diversity agenda, than he should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping him.

CJ, your comments reek of unfounded victimhood.

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« Reply #109 on: January 16, 2018, 11:46:48 AM »
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I agree that social workers and nurses get underpaid, but no one forces women into those occupations. I think women are smart enough to research how much they are expected to be paid before entering social work or nursing.They choose those occupations knowing full well how much they're going to get paid.  If I woman's number one aim is to have a highly-paid occupation, than she should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping them.

I agree that diversity targets and training courses are imperfect tools for achieving outcomes that might be excessively idealistic. I think white men are smart enough to research their companies' diversity policies before they choose to accept a job.They choose those occupations knowing full well that diversity programs are being undertaken by their HR departments.  If a white man's number one aim is to have a job that doesn't have a diversity agenda, than he should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping him.

CJ, your comments reek of unfounded victimhood.

Paying both men and women low salaries is not discriminatory. male/female targets and women only short lists are. You could argue that in a totally free society companies should be able to specify whoever they want in job adverts and they can say 'no blacks/men or women need apply.' Personally I would be against that.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #110 on: January 16, 2018, 11:51:00 AM »
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I agree that social workers and nurses get underpaid, but no one forces women into those occupations. I think women are smart enough to research how much they are expected to be paid before entering social work or nursing.They choose those occupations knowing full well how much they're going to get paid.  If I woman's number one aim is to have a highly-paid occupation, than she should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping them.

I agree that diversity targets and training courses are imperfect tools for achieving outcomes that might be excessively idealistic. I think white men are smart enough to research their companies' diversity policies before they choose to accept a job.They choose those occupations knowing full well that diversity programs are being undertaken by their HR departments.  If a white man's number one aim is to have a job that doesn't have a diversity agenda, than he should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping him.

CJ, your comments reek of unfounded victimhood.

If we go back to what James wrote in his memo, a memo that didn't cause any issues for a month before being given the flick by it, he was trying to help women. Get it?? He was actually trying to get more women in tech.

The very first sentence from his memo " I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying sexism exists, and don't endorse using stereotypes"

https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f

Try again with your parody.

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« Reply #111 on: January 16, 2018, 12:01:44 PM »
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I agree that social workers and nurses get underpaid, but no one forces women into those occupations. I think women are smart enough to research how much they are expected to be paid before entering social work or nursing.They choose those occupations knowing full well how much they're going to get paid.  If I woman's number one aim is to have a highly-paid occupation, than she should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping them.

I agree that diversity targets and training courses are imperfect tools for achieving outcomes that might be excessively idealistic. I think white men are smart enough to research their companies' diversity policies before they choose to accept a job.They choose those occupations knowing full well that diversity programs are being undertaken by their HR departments.  If a white man's number one aim is to have a job that doesn't have a diversity agenda, than he should pursue that occupation. No one is stopping him.

CJ, your comments reek of unfounded victimhood.

If we go back to what James wrote in his memo, a memo that didn't cause any issues for a month before being given the flick by it, he was trying to help women. Get it?? He was actually trying to get more women in tech.

The very first sentence from his memo " I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying sexism exists, and don't endorse using stereotypes"

https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f

Try again with your parody.

Still quoting from James' pseudo-science manifesto?

We can clearly state that women have less interest in computing/coding than men.

But once, you start getting into "biological differences" and "personality differences" then it gets too mumbo-jumbo and completely biased.

His paragraph on "Men's higher drive for status" was well muddled. Citing high pay/high stress for obtaining more status then lists jobs like coal mining, garbage collection and firefighting.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #112 on: January 16, 2018, 12:08:18 PM »
CJ, why are you so triggered by this anyway? It's about time you toughened up realized that the real world isn't going to coddle you like the safe spaces of r/redpill and Mike Cernovich's Twitter feed. Boo-hoo, you get offended when you think white men are suffering. Welcome to adulthood, snowflake. It's like my friend Milo says - "F*ck Your Feelings!" I'm tired of people like you trying to shut down the free speech of private citizens who think diversity is good for their businesses. If you don't like the way things are done in America, you can always move to Saudi Arabia. SJWs like you, with your constant whining about oppression and discrimination against white men, are the reason that people like Keith Ellison get elected.

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If we go back to what James wrote in his memo, a memo that didn't cause any issues for a month before being given the flick by it, he was trying to help women. Get it?? He was actually trying to get more women in tech.

FAKE NEWS!
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #113 on: January 16, 2018, 02:00:20 PM »
CJ, why are you so triggered by this anyway? It's about time you toughened up realized that the real world isn't going to coddle you like the safe spaces of r/redpill and Mike Cernovich's Twitter feed. Boo-hoo, you get offended when you think white men are suffering. Welcome to adulthood, snowflake. It's like my friend Milo says - "F*ck Your Feelings!" I'm tired of people like you trying to shut down the free speech of private citizens who think diversity is good for their businesses. If you don't like the way things are done in America, you can always move to Saudi Arabia. SJWs like you, with your constant whining about oppression and discrimination against white men, are the reason that people like Keith Ellison get elected.

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If we go back to what James wrote in his memo, a memo that didn't cause any issues for a month before being given the flick by it, he was trying to help women. Get it?? He was actually trying to get more women in tech.

FAKE NEWS!

Lol typical response after you can't refute the truth.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #114 on: January 16, 2018, 02:02:33 PM »
CJ, why are you so triggered by this anyway? It's about time you toughened up realized that the real world isn't going to coddle you like the safe spaces of r/redpill and Mike Cernovich's Twitter feed. Boo-hoo, you get offended when you think white men are suffering. Welcome to adulthood, snowflake. It's like my friend Milo says - "F*ck Your Feelings!" I'm tired of people like you trying to shut down the free speech of private citizens who think diversity is good for their businesses. If you don't like the way things are done in America, you can always move to Saudi Arabia. SJWs like you, with your constant whining about oppression and discrimination against white men, are the reason that people like Keith Ellison get elected.

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If we go back to what James wrote in his memo, a memo that didn't cause any issues for a month before being given the flick by it, he was trying to help women. Get it?? He was actually trying to get more women in tech.

FAKE NEWS!

Lol typical response after you can't refute the truth.

Yep, that 'ha ha, you're triggered just like the people you criticise' schtick is getting awfully stale.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #115 on: January 16, 2018, 02:15:50 PM »
CJ, why are you so triggered by this anyway? It's about time you toughened up realized that the real world isn't going to coddle you like the safe spaces of r/redpill and Mike Cernovich's Twitter feed. Boo-hoo, you get offended when you think white men are suffering. Welcome to adulthood, snowflake. It's like my friend Milo says - "F*ck Your Feelings!" I'm tired of people like you trying to shut down the free speech of private citizens who think diversity is good for their businesses. If you don't like the way things are done in America, you can always move to Saudi Arabia. SJWs like you, with your constant whining about oppression and discrimination against white men, are the reason that people like Keith Ellison get elected.

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If we go back to what James wrote in his memo, a memo that didn't cause any issues for a month before being given the flick by it, he was trying to help women. Get it?? He was actually trying to get more women in tech.

FAKE NEWS!

I rest my case.  ;D

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« Reply #116 on: January 16, 2018, 03:56:34 PM »
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Yep, that 'ha ha, you're triggered just like the people you criticise' schtick is getting awfully stale.


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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #117 on: January 16, 2018, 04:03:31 PM »
CJ, why are you so triggered by this anyway? It's about time you toughened up realized that the real world isn't going to coddle you like the safe spaces of r/redpill and Mike Cernovich's Twitter feed. Boo-hoo, you get offended when you think white men are suffering. Welcome to adulthood, snowflake. It's like my friend Milo says - "F*ck Your Feelings!" I'm tired of people like you trying to shut down the free speech of private citizens who think diversity is good for their businesses. If you don't like the way things are done in America, you can always move to Saudi Arabia. SJWs like you, with your constant whining about oppression and discrimination against white men, are the reason that people like Keith Ellison get elected.

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If we go back to what James wrote in his memo, a memo that didn't cause any issues for a month before being given the flick by it, he was trying to help women. Get it?? He was actually trying to get more women in tech.

FAKE NEWS!

Lol typical response after you can't refute the truth.

Yep, that 'ha ha, you're triggered just like the people you criticise' schtick is getting awfully stale.

lol conservatives can't handle their own medicine. TRIGGERED!
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #118 on: January 17, 2018, 09:08:49 AM »
CJ, why are you so triggered by this anyway? It's about time you toughened up realized that the real world isn't going to coddle you like the safe spaces of r/redpill and Mike Cernovich's Twitter feed. Boo-hoo, you get offended when you think white men are suffering. Welcome to adulthood, snowflake. It's like my friend Milo says - "F*ck Your Feelings!" I'm tired of people like you trying to shut down the free speech of private citizens who think diversity is good for their businesses. If you don't like the way things are done in America, you can always move to Saudi Arabia. SJWs like you, with your constant whining about oppression and discrimination against white men, are the reason that people like Keith Ellison get elected.

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If we go back to what James wrote in his memo, a memo that didn't cause any issues for a month before being given the flick by it, he was trying to help women. Get it?? He was actually trying to get more women in tech.

FAKE NEWS!

Lol typical response after you can't refute the truth.

Yep, that 'ha ha, you're triggered just like the people you criticise' schtick is getting awfully stale.

lol conservatives can't handle their own medicine. TRIGGERED!

I think it's only Andyman who totally lost his cool and decided to lose face by ranting like a screaming child who's had his dummy taken away. My Lord what an unhinged rant. The more outraged you are doesn't make your argument any better. Quite the contrary. As soon as you lose your cool; you lose the debate.

Let me dumb this down for the regressive Left so they can follow.

James Damore loved Google and was a model employee who had quickly gone up the ranks to Senior Softeware Engineer.

James Damore was all for diversity and inclusiveness as seen by literally the very first line of his memo.

James Damore thought that getting more women in tech by being discriminatory to White males wasn't the best way forward. From his memo:

The harm of Google’s biases
I strongly believe in gender and racial diversity, and I think we should strive for more. However,
to achieve a more equal gender and race representation, Google has created several
discriminatory practices:
● Programs, mentoring, and classes only for people with a certain gender or race5
● A high priority queue and special treatment for “diversity” candidates
● Hiring practices which can effectively lower the bar for “diversity” candidates by
decreasing the false negative rate
● Reconsidering any set of people if it’s not “diverse” enough, but not showing that same
scrutiny in the reverse direction (clear confirmation bias)
● Setting org level OKRs for increased representation which can incentivize illegal
discrimination6
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James Damore then wrote a memo detailing why there are less women in tech than men and ways to get more women in tech whilst on a plane from the US to China. Here are some examples:


We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming
and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how
people-oriented certain roles at Google can be and we shouldn't deceive
ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get
female students into coding might be doing



Women on average are more cooperative
○ Allow those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive. Recent updates to Perf may
be doing this to an extent, but maybe there's more we can do.
○ This doesn't mean that we should remove all competitiveness from




Google employees read the memo and nothing happened for a full month.

According to Wired, Google's internal forums showed some support for Damore, who said he received private thanks from employees who were afraid to come forward.

The memo was leaked to social media where upon the snowflake Left statred screaming for blood as James had the shocking audacity to say that men are different to women.

James Damore was fired as a consequence of the outrage by the snowflake Left.

James Damore is now seeking to sue as he feels he was bullied and unlawfully dismissed.

This was an internal memo which should never have been made public.

The Groupthink behaviour by many Google employees, and the childish and ultrasensitive reaction by Leftist snowflakes is truely astounding, even for them.







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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #119 on: January 17, 2018, 11:30:26 AM »
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I think it's only Andyman who totally lost his cool and decided to lose face by ranting like a screaming child who's had his dummy taken away. My Lord what an unhinged rant. The more outraged you are doesn't make your argument any better. Quite the contrary. As soon as you lose your cool; you lose the debate.

Dude, you didn't didn't like my first parody (which was actually a fair reflection of my true feelings) and invited me to try again. I did! I can only conclude that it was fairly successful if you took it at face value.

I think this is the reason that people are talking past each other on this issue: First of all, you're kind of setting up a false equivalency, whereby a less-than-fulsome defense of James Damore as a person, as a Google employee, and as a victim, equates to support for Google, and its diversity policies, and diversity drives in the tech industry in general, and for firing people who express conservative viewpoints. I don't think anybody feels that way, so you're kind of arguing with yourself, trying to stimulate a debate that no one wants to have because nobody's view really fits that profile.

And you're still missing a major point. James Damore could have been employee of the year, and written Google into his will, got a Google tattoo on his scrotum, and been bullied at work and dismissed under conditions that 99% of the population would consider unfair. Due to the labor laws fought for and enacted by people of James Damore's political tribe, none of the foregoing factors matter. All Google has to say is that he was a liability to the company and was bad for its image. You know, like how conservatives have ensured that Colin Kapernick remains unemployed...

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This was an internal memo which should never have been made public.

I agree. If he was serious about making positive changes at Google, however, there were other steps he could have taken. If I wanted to seriously examine gender balance and productivity in my workplace, for example, I wouldn't start by drawing up a list of the ways that men and women are different based on highly contested data, from a limited branch of science, then distribute it amongst employees. I'd probably take another path. And he has to live the consequences of the path he chose. Just like all the NFL players that conservatives want to see fired.

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The Groupthink behaviour by many Google employees, and the childish and ultrasensitive reaction by Leftist snowflakes is truely astounding, even for them.

I agree, but hardly think this kind of behavior is limited to the left. It's the crappy age we live in, and we all contribute to it when we allow ourselves to believe that the real world and the hyperbolic ravings of extreme partisan media accurately reflect each other.



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