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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2018, 12:55:09 AM »
I am winding down to 7 and a half weeks until the school year comes to an end.
As I said, I will be returning here for the 2018-2019 schoolyear, but will it be
my last year to teach here on this reserve? If it is then I will have to apply to
teach for other school boards, but my application to these other employers will
have to be done as early as this fall.

But as for now, I just have to worry about what is happening at this time. The
school board sent us the new academic year calendar for 2018-2019. The
school year will start a week earlier than this one and end a week earlier
next year.

As I wait for the schoolyear to finish, I will look forward because the weather is
becoming more enjoyable. The most important thing is thinking about my students,
How will I have an impact on them to influence making a difference in their lives?
How will these students recieve me as I continue teaching them music next year?
Will they become more adjusted to me? I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

I can only look to what is ahead, the past days are dead. So I will do my
best to enjoy my work throughout the rest of the school year.

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2018, 05:28:28 AM »
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I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

You should probably know all the names of your students by now, no?

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2018, 06:42:11 AM »
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I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

You should probably know all the names of your students by now, no?

To me, one of the most important things.  Using the student's name is the first step to getting and showing respect, rather than, 'Hey......you there. Come here'.  Usually, it is the noisier/smarter students that you get to know first. 

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2018, 06:51:14 AM »
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I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

You should probably know all the names of your students by now, no?
I think he is using "not identified" as a clinical term for "not having any identified mental health issues".

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2018, 08:57:27 AM »
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still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

So is this the latest euphemism for naughty?

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2018, 07:10:42 AM »
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So is this the latest euphemism for naughty?

I guess so.

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2018, 07:11:39 AM »
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there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

So is this the latest euphemism for naughty?

I guess so.

Can't say "savage" anymore, I guess.

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2018, 07:24:39 AM »
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still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

So is this the latest euphemism for naughty?

I guess so.

Can't say "savage" anymore, I guess.

*ahem*

Kids with 'unknown behavioural boundaries'!

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #88 on: May 04, 2018, 07:34:23 AM »
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I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

You should probably know all the names of your students by now, no?
I think he is using "not identified" as a clinical term for "not having any identified mental health issues".
I think he actually means that they have one which has not been diagnosed/identified.

Like, in Korea there are plenty of special needs kids who don't get the help they need because the parents don't want to admit that their kid has something going on.

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #89 on: May 04, 2018, 07:37:11 AM »
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I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

You should probably know all the names of your students by now, no?
I think he is using "not identified" as a clinical term for "not having any identified mental health issues".
I think he actually means that they have one which has not been diagnosed/identified.

Like, in Korea there are plenty of special needs kids who don't get the help they need because the parents don't want to admit that their kid has something going on.

That is what I said.

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #90 on: May 04, 2018, 07:40:37 AM »
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I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

You should probably know all the names of your students by now, no?
I think he is using "not identified" as a clinical term for "not having any identified mental health issues".
I think he actually means that they have one which has not been diagnosed/identified.

Like, in Korea there are plenty of special needs kids who don't get the help they need because the parents don't want to admit that their kid has something going on.

That is what I said.

How does he know they have a mental health condition if it hasn't been identified? Is he a trained educational psychologist?

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #91 on: May 04, 2018, 09:00:39 AM »
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I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

You should probably know all the names of your students by now, no?
I think he is using "not identified" as a clinical term for "not having any identified mental health issues".
I think he actually means that they have one which has not been diagnosed/identified.

Like, in Korea there are plenty of special needs kids who don't get the help they need because the parents don't want to admit that their kid has something going on.

That is what I said.

How does he know they have a mental health condition if it hasn't been identified? Is he a trained educational psychologist?

FFS, read what he wrote: Not identified, but have behavioral issues.

Surely a teacher can say that without a PhukinDoctorate in brain surgery!

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #92 on: May 04, 2018, 09:43:34 AM »
How does he know they have a mental health condition if it hasn't been identified? Is he a trained educational psychologist?
Do you have to be a psychologist/psychiatrist to figure out that someone has a mental health issue? I've got little training and have seen people I've known have some sort of mental health condition.

I think he is using "not identified" as a clinical term for "not having any identified mental health issues".
I think he actually means that they have one which has not been diagnosed/identified.

Like, in Korea there are plenty of special needs kids who don't get the help they need because the parents don't want to admit that their kid has something going on.

That is what I said.
I only clarified it because "not having any identified mental health issues" can mean both "not having any mental health issues" and "having one/some that are currently not identified."

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #93 on: May 04, 2018, 09:50:31 AM »
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I ask these questions because there are
still a few students who are not identified but have issues with uncultured
behaviour.

You should probably know all the names of your students by now, no?
I think he is using "not identified" as a clinical term for "not having any identified mental health issues".
I think he actually means that they have one which has not been diagnosed/identified.

Like, in Korea there are plenty of special needs kids who don't get the help they need because the parents don't want to admit that their kid has something going on.

That is what I said.

How does he know they have a mental health condition if it hasn't been identified? Is he a trained educational psychologist?

FFS, read what he wrote: Not identified, but have behavioral issues.

Surely a teacher can say that without a PhukinDoctorate in brain surgery!

I was responding to Slycoordinator, apologies for wire crossing
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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #94 on: May 04, 2018, 11:54:51 AM »
By the way, I was simply stating that saying "He's not identified" can mean that he has an unidentified issue. I wasn't saying that the teacher knows the details like a psychologist. But it definitely happens where teachers spot issues that need to be followed up with one.

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« Reply #95 on: May 04, 2018, 12:00:21 PM »
By the way, I was simply stating that saying "He's not identified" can mean that he has an unidentified issue. I wasn't saying that the teacher knows the details like a psychologist. But it definitely happens where teachers spot issues that need to be followed up with one.

I think the confusion arises from the differences between an identified issue and simply bad behaviour. If there is a difference nowadays. I admit I don't know much about child psychology but from what I've seen in documentaries, when a kid plays up there is always a technical sounding reason given. Is this the same as an identified issue? 

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« Reply #96 on: May 04, 2018, 12:23:39 PM »
By the way, I was simply stating that saying "He's not identified" can mean that he has an unidentified issue. I wasn't saying that the teacher knows the details like a psychologist. But it definitely happens where teachers spot issues that need to be followed up with one.

I think the confusion arises from the differences between an identified issue and simply bad behaviour. If there is a difference nowadays. I admit I don't know much about child psychology but from what I've seen in documentaries, when a kid plays up there is always a technical sounding reason given. Is this the same as an identified issue?
Let's say you're an elementary teacher who sees the same class all day every day.

There's a kid who is rarely looks people in the eyes, rarely initiates conversation, seems to lack empathy, really hates being touched, etc.

While these might involve some bad behavior, it's not bad behavior. But they're some things a teacher might see and tell the parents about. It's why they have teacher/parent conferences.

Heck, sometimes teachers in that situation know better than the parent about it.

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2018, 11:58:24 PM »
I am not going to be easy on my worst behaving students. I imposed a detention to
four boys this morning by taking away their morning recess because they have ruined my class
this morning. One of them being the ring leader of that gang of boys in this class
who uses is strong influence to bring down my class. They came in for my detention and
they were still being amorally rude. I called their parents, and I got no answer, but I was
still able to leave a message to one of their parents. I doubt that they will answer back.

One of my students who misehaved in my class on Monday was also give a detention.
he did not show up so he still owes me time for detention next time. I was successful
calling his home and able to speak to his mother about his deplorable behavior in
my class. All she responded with was "Yes, Ok, Ok. Sure, OK." Is that the response
of a useless parent or what?

These boys are all in grade 4 and grade 5. The boys in grade 5 I dealt with
were still not being compliant with me during detention. They are so rude
and uncultured that they might wind up with criminal records in the next
10 years from now. However I don't wish any bad things on them because
it is not their fault why they behave this way. Two of these boys are identified
and one of them (the leader of that gang) is supposed to be identified with
FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome). Because that boy from what I heard has a
mother who is a drunkard. You see it is not their fault why these boys are vicious.
It is the fault of their useless parents. But I cannot tell them up front that
their parents are useless. I did mention to them that they must have bad home
life and it's not their fault, but at the same time I told them that now is the
time for them to know that they must also learn to be responsible for their
own actions. These boys are not being taught these values at home which
is why they have no discipline. You tell them to do something and
they refuse to listen. They continuously keep disrupting my class to a
point that the girls and a few other boys are being annoyed when they
want to learn and participate. Today, they have completely ruined my
class and it made me feel very angry.

While I had them on detention, these boys tell me to go back to Korea
where there will be WW III between Kim Jeong Un and Donald Trump.
Well first of all I am not Korean. Secondly, I told them up front that I
am a Canadian citizen so I am not going anywhere. Then these boys
tell me that I am on the reservation, but I said this reservation is still
in Canada. I even told them that my ancestors didn't come to this land
to invade because my parents came here as immigrants legally. This is
what I have to put up with, in fact I need to be careful that I do not
bow down to their low level.

I just feel rage within me when dealing with these boys. I feel rage
because I am unable to send them to the office, instead what I had
to do was fill out incident reports on what happened. This school is
a school where there are a lot of students with needs, and to fulfill
these needs is a challenge for us staff members. I am not going
to stress out myself too much inspite of the lower back pain that
I had to deal with since last week Saturday.

 I made my decision to
come back to teach next year, but after talking to my mother about
this, she does advise that I should make 2018-2019 my final year
teaching on the reservation. As long as I do well on my teacher
apprasials I should be able to get my foot further in the door for teaching
in a public school board here in Ontario, or perhaps move to British
Columbia. Or I may get another teaching opportunity for another First
Nations community school in Ontario or Quebec. I hate to move
overseas again.

Just 6 more weeks to go and I will have my summer break. But when
I give these boys their final report cards for this year, they will not like it.

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #98 on: May 26, 2018, 02:15:27 AM »
I am winding down.
5 more weeks and I will take my summer break from
dealing with some of these crazy defiant kids.

I even mentioned that boy in grade 5 who is the leader
of that little gang. I had his class for music this week and
he was not there thank God! I didn't even see him on the
playground at recess during my yard duty. He was not in
my class on Wednesday because of his bad behaviour
last week. I even talked to his grandmother and I see the
result.

However I am not going to single out this one kid when there
are other kids who are defiant. But again it is because of their
problems they have at home. I have a duty to maintain a safe
learning environment. The school is the only place that some
of these kids have to call a safe place because these kids are
being exposed to drugs at home. One of my students was
suspended for a while because she brought a bong to school.
The principal caught her carrying it in her school bag. Another
kid in grade 8 was also suspended for drugs as well.

Last night a music band by the name of Tribe Called Red had a
concert here on the reserve. I did not attend this concert, but
some of my students were at this concert, and I heard a rumor
that a few of the intermediate students were seen boozing.

I know the smell of alcohol and Marijuana, but for other drugs I
don't know. The fact of the matter is if I do smell anything like
alcohol or weed from my students, I will report it. So far I have
never seen any students walk into my classroom with any drugs
and God forbid that happens. However when I described some
of these kids as crazy kids, you may also speculate that they
are crazy because they are exposed to drugs at home. One of
my students was exposed to cocaine when he was in the car
with his mother who got pulled over by police for trafficking
cocaine. One of my students in grade 8 has no parents because
I don't know who the hell her father is, and her mother and
grandmother are both dead because of drugs. She lives with
her sister and her sister is snorting up cocaine. That is no wonder
why she is so disrespectful to me.

You see, this is why some of these kids behave in ways in which
I cannot discipline them because of these bad home environemnts.
Not all of their bad home environments are filled with drugs and alcohol,
but for a good number of them it is like that. Some of you think that I
should not have signed on for another schoolyear teaching Music
for this First Nations school board because you may think that
the students are going to drive me to insanity, I am not going to
let them break me. If they don't want to learn music then that's
alright, I would give good grades to the good students and bad
grades to the bad students just to prove that I will never reward
kids for their bad behavior. Sooner or later they will have to learn
to take responsibility for their actions. I am just counting down to
the next five weeks until the summer break so I can look forward
to spending 1 month in Thailand to truly relax.

I don't know what the future has in store for these kids, but one
thing I can assure you is this, I don't want my worst behaving
kids to go down the path as being jailbirds, lifelong drunkards,
or sex workers, but if they think they can be disrespecful now
I tell them just wait until they disrespect the wrong person in
authority, and see what will happen to them. These kids must
know that if they cannot learn things the easy way, they have to
learn the hard way. So much for useless parents.

As I enter into the following schoolyear, I will be thankful not
to have the most difficult grade 8 students, but the ones I have
now who will be here......My Lord have mercy. I guess this means
that by 2019 my mission on this reserve will be over.

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Re: Teaching for First Nations
« Reply #99 on: June 09, 2018, 12:21:37 AM »
I may be looking at another extra year teaching for the First Nations reserve beyond 2019 now that
Ontario has elected Dough Ford as the premier. I don't mind if he scraps the sex ed. curiculum but
I know for sure that he will make cuts to education to a point that my chances of getting into another
school board in Ontario will become a haystack needle. So if I leave this reservation school board,
I will most likely have to either teacher for another First Nations school board, teach for a public
school board outside of Ontario, or go back overseas.

Politics aside, but coming in to work this morning I still feel a sense of discouragement knowing
that it is Friday and I have the worst behaving set of Grade 6 students. But I am winding down to
the end of the year and I have only 1 or 2 more classes with them.

My outlook for the new school year with them is that I want to start a hand drum band, and
I will feel the pressure to keep the guitar group going. If this does not help me to have
better relations with some of my worst students, what will?  Teaching music education to
junior/intermediate students becomes pointless when there is no equipment for a wind
instrument program, and limited resources to go with it. Let's face it, music education is
not that well prioritized for most First Nation community schools because of the social
issues effecting students. But I am here teaching music, so now that I am staying here
for another year, I might as well make the best of it as much as I can.

One of my schools is facing a problem. The gymnasium has leaks coming from the roof,
it contains mold, and the roof is ready to collapse anytime if it is not fixed. All the financial
priorities will have to be focused on repairing the roof of the gymnasium. Therefore I will
not see a wind instrument program at the junior/intermediate school where I am teaching
at, not even in another 10 years.

I am down to 3 weeks before the summer break and I next month I will head off to Thailand
to spend my vacation.