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Author Topic: Student takeover of Evergreen State College  (Read 13576 times)

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2017, 03:27:55 PM »
The Portland guy was saying White Power and that all the people he doesn't like need to leave America. In court. On television.

Are people actually denying he's a white supremacist? That's weird. You're weird.
Here he is appearing in court:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjj2TAsOGL4

Nothing about white power.

On the bus he is recorded as saying, "I police the police. Looks like we got a Christian or Muslim bus driver, I'll stab you too [expletive], move forward, move forward MAX driver! [Expletive] you ... I'm about to stab some [expletive]"
http://katu.com/news/local/video-shows-murder-suspect-ranting-about-religion-aboard-max-train-day-prior-to-attack-jeremy-christian

It'd probably be more accurate to call him anti-Christian, but that's not the narrative the media likes.

Ah sorry. Not white power but, "Death to anti(fascists). You call it terrorism, I call it patriotism. "

Dude's a Nazi.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2017, 03:42:31 PM »
Bernie Sanders at the evangelical Liberty University
https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/14/bernie-sanders-makes-rare-appeal-to-evangelicals-at-liberty-university/

Response? Mandatory attendance. Polite listening. Civil discussion. Liberty University believes that as a university, its students should be exposed to opposing viewpoints and learn how to engage in a civil manner with maturity and emotional control.

Conservative speakers at Berkeley, Middlebury, and other colleges?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/us/middlebury-college-charles-murray-bell-curve-protest.html
Riots, female Trump supporters getting maced and attacked with sticks, professors injured, violence in addition to all of their other nonsense including calls to end free speech.

Whose students do you think are better prepared for life? Which ones do you think are getting a better education? Which ones would hire?

It's about people who know that college is supposed to be a place of learning and education, not some social club that turns into a civil disturbance.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2017, 05:00:56 PM »
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Definitely. As a minority myself, and with a good number of minority friends,

Yeah, you don't see many Asian looking people round this part of the world.

It's interesting, if WaygOOk, for example, went and got a TEFL job in sub-Saharan Africa would he still go around telling people how oppressed he was?

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I shit you not, here is what is coming from the left, who allegedly support science-
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448102/quantum-physics-oppressive-marginalized-people

The science that has rules and stuff like that is all down to Western colonialism. We need to study other less Eurocentric science that enables people to do things like summon up lightening strikes.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/14/watch-leftist-students-say-science-is-ra



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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2017, 05:05:50 PM »
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I think it's more like people with at least a few years of real life experience arguing with people who have absolutely none. Life in school and college is not real life experience; it's a time when you learn ideas to play around with and then later attempt to apply to real life. And that takes practice.

But you're kind of right because SJWs have their heads in the clouds and need to be brought back down to Earth by people who are not just kids having temper tantrums.

 :laugh: :laugh: You think what you like. But I highly doubt the differing parties are whatever age your mind has arbitrarily assigned us. I was a returning student at Evergreen who was much older than the kids there. The reason I was faculty was because I was a veteran working in the VA office. I spent a good long time in the military before going back to school. But please, do go on assuring yourself of your vastly superior maturity and wisdom. I'm sure any disagreements you have with people are based on age, not due to lack of relevant knowledge or inherent bias.  :cheesy: :cheesy:

It's you who brought age and maturity into the equation by implying that people who oppose SJWs are senile old men. I provided a counterargument to that.

There seems to be this notion amongst SJWs that the people who oppose them are angry old misogynists, racists and homophobes, but that's only really true in a small number of cases.

I am extremely libertarian. That's essentially what liberalism used to be. I believe in very lax controls on liberation, equal treatment under the law for men, women and sexual minorities, drug decriminalisation.... hardly what the SJWs love to paint their opponents as.

The reason I am opposed to SJWs is because, as a libertarian, I am extremely disturbed by the manner in which SJWs are harassing majorities, dictating to everyone around them, and violently shutting down any form of expression that is not radically progressive.

If you push anything far enough, you'll meet resistance not just from your opposite extreme, but increasingly from moderates and also people who may previously have been vaguely allied with you. The hysterical behaviour and demands of the SJWs - especially their calls for segregation and demonisation of white men - has turned white men who are not 'alt right' at all into your enemies. That's what happened with me.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2017, 05:18:16 PM »
Just a quick reminder here that StillInKorea used another thread to say "I wish Trump really was Hitler & showed the SJWs what a real dictator does"

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2017, 05:24:50 PM »
Amazing how all this fake "outrage" about SJW activism is based on false story telling.

The one person who does have an insight into the actual story, with actual context...is still being argued with because "THE SJWs ARE COMING FOR MUH FREEDOMZ OF EXPRESSIONIZMS".

It's also funny how it's the SAME group of people who continue to say there is no discrimination in the west (except for oppression against white men - "Wonder Woman movie waaaaah", "the new Star Trek series is so racist and sexist waaaah").

Its great that some people might even want to use some misguided and uneducated quotes from Morgan freeman to "prove" there's no more discrimination...but quotes by Antonio Moore for example, backed up by real and credible data, are seen as "SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE SJW MARXISM"

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2017, 05:28:07 PM »
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The one person who does have an insight into the actual story, with actual context...is still being argued with because "THE SJWs ARE COMING FOR MUH FREEDOMZ OF EXPRESSIONIZMS".

Ah yes because anyone who has a 'lived experience' of something is automatically right in any discussion.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2017, 05:31:53 PM »
Better to take condescending and historically/culturally ignorant lectures from someone who has never experienced something, or from someone who has a very limited experience on that thing.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2017, 05:45:03 PM »
Just a quick reminder here that StillInKorea used another thread to say "I wish Trump really was Hitler & showed the SJWs what a real dictator does"

I remember how much that triggered you. It's not because I like or support Hitler or fascism, but because the SJWs are a cultural disaster and massively out of control. I'd support absolutely anyone who would stop the SJWs because I think they are currently the biggest threat to a free and rational society.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2017, 05:47:45 PM »
Longer interview with the Prof from Evergreen.

https://youtu.be/-fEAPcgxnyY






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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2017, 06:00:05 PM »
Just a quick reminder here that StillInKorea used another thread to say "I wish Trump really was Hitler & showed the SJWs what a real dictator does"

I remember how much that triggered you. It's not because I like or support Hitler or fascism, but because the SJWs are a cultural disaster and massively out of control. I'd support absolutely anyone who would stop the SJWs because I think they are currently the biggest threat to a free and rational society.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2017, 06:13:41 PM »
Sounds like this Weinstein fellow would fit perfectly in *one section* of the waygook.org crowd, ironically the same section who somehow try to make themselves the centre of everything.

The ones who think of themselves as "pretty liberal", but somehow always fall on the wrong side of the anti-discrimination spectrum

https://medium.com/@princessofthefaeries666/the-truth-about-the-evergreen-protests-444c86ee6307

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2017, 06:24:09 PM »
Sounds like this Weinstein fellow would fit perfectly in *one section* of the waygook.org crowd, ironically the same section who somehow try to make themselves the centre of everything.

The ones who think of themselves as "pretty liberal", but somehow always fall on the wrong side of the anti-discrimination spectrum

https://medium.com/@princessofthefaeries666/the-truth-about-the-evergreen-protests-444c86ee6307
What sort of world is it that you wish to live in, to create?

I prefer one where people are civil and use a platform, a forum to voice their well-reasoned thoughts and ideas to the stake holders, so all can be heard and the best solution can be reached.

You must not have watched any of the videos.

Say "No" to mob rule.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2017, 06:28:29 PM »
The problem with your mode of thought is you completely take the student protests as separate from a sequence of events of blatant discrimination that have taken place on that campus.

There are talks of students being detained by campus police for hours without reason, students being assaulted by campus police...but somehow when tensions boil over and shit hits the fan, it's the special snowflakes who are at fault for being angry about racism.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2017, 06:47:19 PM »
Racists are obsessed with civility in 2017 for some reason? Like you can say the absolute most disgusting things in the world so long as it's in 9 paragraphs and you say 'furthermore' and talk about logic all the time.

Let's be clear though, none of you that I'm arguing with are worthy of that. I have no respect for you. I don't care if I broke the rules of your debate club where you all **** each other off saying how uppity blacks make you too scared to go home. You're collectively a bad joke. I only wish you'd get banned off of here and just leave people alone in general (doubt you ever say shit IRL anyway)

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2017, 06:54:29 PM »
The behaviour of the black students, that we have on video, is disgusting. They come across as a bunch of entitled children who think they're all being oppressed because (according to LDEstrada) one person was allegedly assaulted for an unknown reason and a professor (rightfully) said it was wrong to force all whites off the campus.

Black people in America really need to stop playing the victim. They faced discrimination in the past, but the tables have turned. It's now deemed unacceptable to discriminate against blacks but completely acceptable to treat whites as second class citizens. If black people are shouting things like "black power!" and forcing white people off campus, they need to think again about who the bigots really are.

Once again, no one forced white students on campus. the OPTIONAL lectures that couldn't fit on campus were moved off campus, and the STUDENTS (that means the students who you're saying are somehow being mistreated, agreed that since in the past years, it was the the students of color who went off campus, this year, lectures specifically pertaining to students of color would be given the on campus locations. This is one day. ONE DAY, where students of color were given preference for location choice for lectures that have nothing to do with classes, curriculum, or grades, and are simply held in case their are students  who are interested.

The incident with the cop, was, if your pardon the pun, incidental. God forbid they ask the administration to look into it and see what actually happened. Also, you're gross.

To get a clearer picture.

When you say lectures for white vs black students... what do you mean? The topics would generally be more appealing to certain races?

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where have lectures divided up by race would be considered reasonable and the above is the only one I can think of.


Yeah I think you got it right. The lectures aren't divided by race, but the topics usually have more appeal one way or another. For example an open mic for native american artists will draw the native population at Evergreen more than a guest speaker speaking about being an ally to native people. There will be a mixed audience at both options, but the appeal will be different for obvious reasons.

All they did was hold the events that would have appeal to students of color on campus this year. In past years events that would have appeal to students of color were held off campus and events that would most appeal to white students were held on campus. This was a sort of simplistic statement about being present. Hence the name of the yearly event: Day of Absence, Day of Presence. These switched up the locations, that's it. No one said white students couldn't come to school that day or anything like that. The student body made the decision to switch locations this year. And to reiterate, attendance to these functions were extracurricular, not mandatory at all. If white students didn't want to go to the discussion group on racial sensitivity that was being held in the cafe ten minutes away from campus, they didn't have to. And if they wanted to go to the movie showing of Moonlight being held in one of the campus movie rooms they could.
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Yeah, this speaks more to the utter stupidity of the administration. Just spread special lectures out over the span of a year like every other postsec institution. Problem solved.

It in no way excuses the students behavior but that prof sounds like an asshole.

The problem with your mode of thought is you completely take the student protests as separate from a sequence of events of blatant discrimination that have taken place on that campus.

There are talks of students being detained by campus police for hours without reason, students being assaulted by campus police...but somehow when tensions boil over and shit hits the fan, it's the special snowflakes who are at fault for being angry about racism.

No, it's not.

The ONLY time mob rule is acceptable is immediately preceding murder or genocide. Note the PRECEDING included there. It should never be used afterwards.

A group sitting around screaming about what they think, want or deserve should never under any circumstance ever be effective.

It's a horrendously dangerous position to hold because it opens up the maw of populism which is fickle and creates instability in society. Stability is good. Change might be slower but rapid change is far more dangerous.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2017, 06:59:51 PM »
You sound like the girl who went to the comedy club and wouldn't stop talking during each comic's set.

Why come to the show?

To ruin the experience of others?

When asked to kindly take it elsewhere, you started shouting like that baboon and threw your poop at us.

Why?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_L4sYJvfo_M

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2017, 07:11:54 PM »
You sound like the girl who went to the comedy club and wouldn't stop talking during each comic's set.

Why come to the show?

To ruin the experience of others?

When asked to kindly take it elsewhere, you started shouting like that baboon and threw your poop at us.

Why?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_L4sYJvfo_M

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2017, 07:34:00 PM »
Sounds like this Weinstein fellow would fit perfectly in *one section* of the waygook.org crowd, ironically the same section who somehow try to make themselves the centre of everything.

The ones who think of themselves as "pretty liberal", but somehow always fall on the wrong side of the anti-discrimination spectrum

https://medium.com/@princessofthefaeries666/the-truth-about-the-evergreen-protests-444c86ee6307

I am opposed to discrimination unless there's a logical reason for it (women shouldn't be hired as escorts for straight women, for example). However, I refuse to give minorities a pass when they act like it doesn't work both ways. That is, when they try to push through discriminatory policies themselves. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

(doubt you ever say shit IRL anyway)

I do. Some people find it amusing. Some people find it offensive. But I do me.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2017, 07:39:14 PM »
It seems neither side listens all that well.  I think an understanding of what racism you've faced in your life might help.  Can you please tell some stories of racist things you've encountered?