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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #140 on: September 20, 2018, 11:18:02 AM »
Hot trend for 2018: Using "post-modernism/ist" as a blanket term for "people I don't like" when you have no idea what it actually means.


Does "Alinskyite" bring back too many memories of the Obama era? Is "Cultural Marxism" too much of a mouthful? Are you worried that "globalist" will associate you with the AR-15 and Confederate flag brigade? Why not try "post-modernist"? You don't know what it means, but that's okay - neither does your intended audience. Throw it around on your redpill forums and watch your fellow travellers nod along. You could be critiquing the literary works of John Barth, or making a sly nod to the double-standard inherent in the commercialization of the sample-based hip-hop music which proudly flaunts a disregard for copyright. Or perhaps Jean-Francois Lyotard is your target. What is it that bothers you - his critique of teleology? Do you support a more Hegelian view?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. What matters is the flimsy veneer of intellectual credibility given to simple tribalist instincts. Jordan Peterson uses this word all the time, and he's like really smart, right?* So just go ahead and throw it around carelessly.

* https://youtu.be/cU1LhcEh8Ms

preeeaaaaach my dude. yeah. just ask one of these people what their problem with post-modernism is and, 9 times out of 10, they give you an answer that has nothing to do with post-modernism. just say you don't like progressives or something if you want to use a long word.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #141 on: September 20, 2018, 01:34:20 PM »
Postmodernism is actually really easy to figure out.  Just donít waste your time expecting a postmodernist to tell you because they are bs artists.

I have spent many many hours reading Foucault, more than Andyman. 

Andyman spoken like a true postmodernist.  ď itís the flimsy veneer of intellect trial credibility..blah blah.
 Get bent.




Basically if anyone likes postmodernism, itís because they are lazy, and think they can bs people, so just get away and donít listen.    When someone speaks for several minutes and your brain screams what the f&$# is your point, then you are dealing with a postmodernist.

The manifestos and philosophers behind postmodernism are who count.  So look at who Foucault is, and who Derrida is, then you get a good idea about postmodernism.
Itís about power and says that the truth is relative.  Well thatís a recipe for dumbfu&&edness. 


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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #142 on: September 20, 2018, 01:44:25 PM »

When someone speaks for several minutes and your brain screams what the f&$# is your point, then you are dealing with a postmodernist.


I guess Trump is a postmodernist.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #143 on: September 20, 2018, 01:54:27 PM »

When someone speaks for several minutes and your brain screams what the f&$# is your point, then you are dealing with a postmodernist.


I guess Trump is a postmodernist.

He makes points and you know who he is and what he wants to do.

You are referring to style.
Save your late night show unfunny snobbbery.
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #144 on: September 20, 2018, 01:56:30 PM »

When someone speaks for several minutes and your brain screams what the f&$# is your point, then you are dealing with a postmodernist.


I guess Trump is a postmodernist.

He makes points and you know who he is and what he wants to do.

You are referring to style.
Save your late night show unfunny snobbbery.

So he has a post-modernist style?
Foucault doesn't make points? Or is it unclear what he wants to do?

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #145 on: September 20, 2018, 02:03:56 PM »
If you take a look at the dictionary definition, you can see what crap it is.  Then you can move on to something more practical like lesbian dance studies. 

ď

a late 20th-century style and concept in the arts, architecture, and criticism, which represents a departure from modernism and is characterized by the self-conscious use of earlier styles and conventions, a mixing of different artistic styles and media, and a general distrust of theories.Ē

General distrust of theories? Wtf.   Trust theories please. 

self-conscious use of earlier styles and conventions?    Who gives a crap.  They made nice stuff. They conducted symphonies, itís not an upside down toilet on the wall, but itís pretty good.   The only way that appreciates in value is if we are someday able to see what crap postmodernism was, and that itís a movement to destroy western society.


Also itís worth noting that the US didnít need postmodernism because we didnít start ww1 or 2, so itís a western European retardation, that started after WW2.   Its hard to disassociate it from communism which was also rising after ww2. 

Itís also interesting to note than Japan grew and thrived in the modern era and Korea when postmodernism was gaining popularity. 
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #146 on: September 20, 2018, 02:20:50 PM »
 :laugh:

Please, keep going. This is amazing. And tell me how, according to the definition you provided, that I speak like "a true post-modernist". What are the criteria for inclusion in that category? Was it a specific phrase that I used? Does that indicate that I am also a communist, since the two concepts are apparently so difficult to disentangle?
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #147 on: September 20, 2018, 02:23:08 PM »
Also itís worth noting that the US didnít need postmodernism because we didnít start ww1 or 2, so itís a western European retardation, that started after WW2.   Its hard to disassociate it from communism which was also rising after ww2. 

Itís also interesting to note than Japan grew and thrived in the modern era and Korea when postmodernism was gaining popularity.
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #148 on: September 20, 2018, 02:31:01 PM »
Despite the many, many hours Chester Jim spent reading Page 1 of Discipline and Punish, I don't think much of it sunk in.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #149 on: September 20, 2018, 02:40:49 PM »
So the implication is that Foucault is just too complicated for me. ?  I suspect that you would say I was intelligent if I agreed with you.   Save your emperor with no clothes crap for your moron ďfriends.Ē
The point is that it doesnít sink in.   Very very intelligent people, verifiably so,  say that itís complete crap.
You are weak willed and the first person to cluck like a chicken when a hypnotist waves a watch in your face.

Nah itís your question time.   
Please define postmodernism for us. 
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #150 on: September 20, 2018, 02:52:27 PM »
As a weak-willed sheeple who does whatever his superiors order, I submit to your inquiry.

I'm actually quite satisfied with the definition you provided. If were to try and write a brief definition it would be something similar, though I'd probably replace "theories" with "metanarratives" such as religion, nationalism and totalizing ideologies like communism.

So, back to you... Using a definition that we agree on, how much do you need to know about a person before casting them as a post-modernist? Can you ascertain that status from a short comment on an internet message board? Explain your criteria.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #151 on: September 20, 2018, 02:59:21 PM »
If you take a look at the dictionary definition, you can see what crap it is.  Then you can move on to something more practical like lesbian dance studies.
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Nowhere in that post did you answer either of my two questions. Nor did you add much that was relevant to the conversation.

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When someone speaks for several minutes and your brain screams what the f&$# is your point, then you are dealing with a postmodernist.

This is the internet equivalent to your definition of postmodernism from earlier. Congrats, you too are a postmodernist by your own standards.
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #152 on: September 20, 2018, 03:06:07 PM »
 The phallocentric monopoly on late modernist patriarchal use of the female nude brings up issues relating to the oppressed versus the oppressor. This brings us into the relmn of modernist postmodernist historical dialectic and ultimately semiotic discourse. From a cultural Marxist prespective of the so called modernist critique of formalist and minimalist art of the late seventies. This brings up the feminist interest in conceptual art and ultimately performance doing away with the concept of the commidification of arts and the oppression of the gallery system that has historically favoured white males.

 When looking at history from the perspective of the Judeo Christian tradition.  it is easy to be focused on that nice collection of bricks on the the gallery floor.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #153 on: September 20, 2018, 03:11:14 PM »
The phallocentric monopoly on late modernist patriarchal use of the female nude brings up issues relating to the oppressed versus the oppressor. This brings us into the relmn of modernist postmodernist historical dialectic and ultimately semiotic discourse. From a cultural Marxist prespective of the so called modernist critique of formalist and minimalist art of the late seventies. This brings up the feminist interest in conceptual art and ultimately performance doing away with the concept of the commidification of arts and the oppression of the gallery system that has historically favoured white males.

 When looking at history from the perspective of the Judeo Christian tradition.  it is easy to be focused on that nice collection of bricks on the the gallery floor.


Everything until the last sentence could be used in a postmodernist argument.  But there is something about the last sentence that doesnít fit. Maybe they donít use metaphor, because they want appear literal?

Noam Chomsky has terrible things to say about post modernism.  I suspect itís because he is a bs artist, yet he sticks to facts; he just uses them in a totally dishonest way.
Noam also said that Foucault was the most immoral man that he had ever met.   

Andyman.   I would totally support a class action lawsuit to get your money back from your postmodernist education.   
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #154 on: September 20, 2018, 03:20:41 PM »
If you take a look at the dictionary definition, you can see what crap it is.  Then you can move on to something more practical like lesbian dance studies.
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Nowhere in that post did you answer either of my two questions. Nor did you add much that was relevant to the conversation.

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When someone speaks for several minutes and your brain screams what the f&$# is your point, then you are dealing with a postmodernist.

This is the internet equivalent to your definition of postmodernism from earlier. Congrats, you too are a postmodernist by your own standards.

Thatís because your questions are stupid.
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #155 on: September 20, 2018, 03:24:42 PM »

Thatís because your questions are stupid.

OK... let me get this straight.


When someone speaks for several minutes and your brain screams what the f&$# is your point, then you are dealing with a postmodernist.


I guess Trump is a postmodernist.

You are referring to style.


So he has a post-modernist style?


Thatís because your questions are stupid.

OK.

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #156 on: September 20, 2018, 03:29:50 PM »
The phallocentric monopoly on late modernist patriarchal use of the female nude brings up issues relating to the oppressed versus the oppressor. This brings us into the relmn of modernist postmodernist historical dialectic and ultimately semiotic discourse. From a cultural Marxist prespective of the so called modernist critique of formalist and minimalist art of the late seventies. This brings up the feminist interest in conceptual art and ultimately performance doing away with the concept of the commidification of arts and the oppression of the gallery system that has historically favoured white males.

 When looking at history from the perspective of the Judeo Christian tradition.  it is easy to be focused on that nice collection of bricks on the the gallery floor.


Everything until the last sentence could be used in a postmodernist argument.  But there is something about the last sentence that doesn’t fit. Maybe they don’t use metaphor, because they want appear literal?

Noam Chomsky has terrible things to say about post modernism.  I suspect it’s because he is a bs artist, yet he sticks to facts; he just uses them in a totally dishonest way.
Noam also said that Foucault was the most immoral man that he had ever met.   

Andyman.   I would totally support a class action lawsuit to get your money back from your postmodernist education.


Listen... Michel Foucault was not the most important figure in postmodernism. I know Jordan Peterson wants you to think that he was, but it isn't true. Also, lots of people on the left have critiqued postmodernism. If you aren't familiar with those arguments, you're literally decades behind in this conversation. Hence, postmodernist ≠ Marxist ≠ liberal ≠ Alinskyite ≠ globalist ≠ Democrat ≠ anarchist ≠ communist ≠ socialist ≠ cultural Marxist ≠ feminist ≠ secularist ≠atheist ≠ progressive.

Just say "I don't like those people" or "I don't like that particular political position" and leave the poorly defined labels out of it if you don't know what you're talking about. 

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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #157 on: September 20, 2018, 03:46:28 PM »
The phallocentric monopoly on late modernist patriarchal use of the female nude brings up issues relating to the oppressed versus the oppressor. This brings us into the relmn of modernist postmodernist historical dialectic and ultimately semiotic discourse. From a cultural Marxist prespective of the so called modernist critique of formalist and minimalist art of the late seventies. This brings up the feminist interest in conceptual art and ultimately performance doing away with the concept of the commidification of arts and the oppression of the gallery system that has historically favoured white males.

 When looking at history from the perspective of the Judeo Christian tradition.  it is easy to be focused on that nice collection of bricks on the the gallery floor.


Everything until the last sentence could be used in a postmodernist argument.  But there is something about the last sentence that doesnít fit. Maybe they donít use metaphor, because they want appear literal?

Noam Chomsky has terrible things to say about post modernism.  I suspect itís because he is a bs artist, yet he sticks to facts; he just uses them in a totally dishonest way.
Noam also said that Foucault was the most immoral man that he had ever met.   

Andyman.   I would totally support a class action lawsuit to get your money back from your postmodernist education.


Listen... Michel Foucault was not the most important figure in postmodernism. I know Jordan Peterson wants you to think that he was, but it isn't true. Also, lots of people on the left have critiqued postmodernism. If you aren't familiar with those arguments, you're literally decades behind in this conversation. Hence, postmodernist ≠ Marxist ≠ liberal ≠ Alinskyite ≠ globalist ≠ Democrat ≠ anarchist ≠ communist ≠ socialist ≠ cultural Marxist ≠ feminist ≠ secularist ≠atheist ≠ progressive.

Just say "I don't like those people" or "I don't like that particular political position" and leave the poorly defined labels out of it if you don't know what you're talking about.

Thereís nothing to understand and no conversation to be had in postmodernism.
Obviously there are many postmodernist.   But there are certainly influential thinkers and less influential ones.  Itís not only that I donít like them, I think that their ideology is garbage.  Derrida for example, was not just a terrible human being, his ideas were complete junk. 
You could go through the lot of them and fundamentally they are mentally masturbating.  So which postmodernist isnít talking out of his ass? 
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« Reply #158 on: September 20, 2018, 03:57:23 PM »
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Thereís nothing to understand and no conversation to be had in postmodernism.

Is this a kind of Baudrillardian provocation, functioning as a meta-critique of postmodernist style? You impress me sometimes, Chester Jim.