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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2017, 02:42:23 AM »
The EPIK application now has a question about whether you are a vegan or not. I can imagine that saying yes would seriously damage your chances of getting hired. I just wonder how many vegans would respond to such an obviously discriminatory question.

That part of the application form has been there since at least 2015. Back then it was said to be included as "information for meal preparation during orientation" but take that with a grain of salt, I'm sure!

Might a school judge the foreigner for not eating meat? More than likely, yes. As Pecan mentioned, it's all in the approach and unfortunately some people ruin it for others and it becomes a "thing" employers of foreign teachers start to consider.

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2017, 07:11:59 AM »
I didn't eat meat at first, and my principal/co-workers just thought I was a Buddhist. They didn't say a word until they saw me diving into fried chicken one day.

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #62 on: December 08, 2017, 07:42:58 AM »
"I never make an issue of it, but unfortunately some vegans and vegetarians can be pretty militant and cause unnecessary conflicts at work."

Pecan, just to clarify are you saying you're a vegan/vegetarian but you choose to eat meat at your school to make life more easy for your school? A lot of vegan and vegetarians take their commitment to not eating meat pretty seriously, so that just isn't reasonable advice for most people.

I would not tell people to lie on their application.

I was honest on the application, and was hired. It is better to be honest, and be placed in a school that understands your dietary restrictions upfront, then to be put into a school that expects you to eat school lunches because you lied to everyone. I have found that just being honest and open is the best policy, having a dietary restriction isn't being militant, it's just a part of your life. 

Good luck to anyone applying!

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #63 on: December 08, 2017, 08:21:39 AM »
"I never make an issue of it, but unfortunately some vegans and vegetarians can be pretty militant and cause unnecessary conflicts at work."

Pecan, just to clarify are you saying you're a vegan/vegetarian but you choose to eat meat at your school to make life more easy for your school? A lot of vegan and vegetarians take their commitment to not eating meat pretty seriously, so that just isn't reasonable advice for most people.

I would not tell people to lie on their application.

I was honest on the application, and was hired. It is better to be honest, and be placed in a school that understands your dietary restrictions upfront, then to be put into a school that expects you to eat school lunches because you lied to everyone. I have found that just being honest and open is the best policy, having a dietary restriction isn't being militant, it's just a part of your life. 

Good luck to anyone applying!

There is a difference between declining the occasional meal and making a nuance of yourself.

I had a Buddhist co-worker in Canada about 20 years ago.  We went out for a team lunch, and he ordered the "Melon with Prosciutto".  He assumed that with melon getting top billing, he would be OK with it.  When it came, he was a bit surprised, but but ate it anyway, ham and all.  He later explained his logic to me. He had not (knowingly) requested meat, and the offence to his host (the restaurant) would have been the greater offence than eating an already dead animal that would go to waste had he not eaten it.

That kind of vegetarian is usually not even noticed.

Here in Korea, I have several colleagues who are Buddhist and Muslim.  The Muslims have a wide range of conformance to Halal rules, but they will decline a lunch date if they are concerned.  I usually suggest a sea-food place.  The Buddists are usually stealthy - often I don't catch on to their aversion to meat until the 3rd or 4th time I dine with them.

Western vegetarians are a mix, but you tend to notice the vocal ones.

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #64 on: December 08, 2017, 08:45:33 AM »
Is it manageable?

Depends on your conviction.

For religious reasons, I only eat meat I order from a butcher in Itaewon. So, unless seafood is on the menu, I don't dine in Korean establishments. Even is seafood is on the menu, I'm not comfortable eating in a restaurant that isn't fully halal (the condiments may have animal fats and there's always the issue of cross contamination); I'll tolerate it on occasion, to be cordial to my host, but it's definitely not a place I'd go on my own.
Here's what you need to be aware of:

 - Your choice will greatly diminish your ability to eat out and by extension, socialise with other NETs and Koreans.
 - Korean food is pretty inadequate, once you take out the meat, don't expect it to sustain you.
 - You'll probably have to prepare your own lunches for school
 - Be prepared to tolerate stares, bafflement and questions from students and CTs as to why you're bringing your own
   lunch/not eating meat, particularly if you're working in the rural areas.

You can buy fruits, veg, nuts and tofu here just as easily as anywhere else and you obviously know whether you can live off a vegan diet as you've lived off it in your home country.
I assume you're asking if other people will accept you for being vegan and the answer is, why should you care?




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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #65 on: December 08, 2017, 09:02:26 AM »
There is a difference between declining the occasional meal and making a nuance of yourself.
I wish more people would become nuanced. :sad:

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #66 on: December 08, 2017, 09:34:12 AM »
There is a difference between declining the occasional meal and making a nuance of yourself.
I wish more people would become nuanced. :sad:

Autocorrect fail, but a good one.


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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #67 on: December 08, 2017, 09:47:45 AM »
"I never make an issue of it, but unfortunately some vegans and vegetarians can be pretty militant and cause unnecessary conflicts at work."

Pecan, just to clarify are you saying you're a vegan/vegetarian but you choose to eat meat at your school to make life more easy for your school? A lot of vegan and vegetarians take their commitment to not eating meat pretty seriously, so that just isn't reasonable advice for most people.

I would not tell people to lie on their application.

I was honest on the application, and was hired. It is better to be honest, and be placed in a school that understands your dietary restrictions upfront, then to be put into a school that expects you to eat school lunches because you lied to everyone. I have found that just being honest and open is the best policy, having a dietary restriction isn't being militant, it's just a part of your life. 

Good luck to anyone applying!
I don't burden others.  I simply opted out of the school lunch program and provide my own food.

As for "being honest and open" I agree to a point, but you NEED to read between the lines.

They are asking, "Are you a pain in the a$$?  Are you going to be difficult?"

Go ahead and be honest, but it's on you.

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #68 on: December 08, 2017, 09:48:15 AM »
There is a difference between declining the occasional meal and making a nuance of yourself.
I wish more people would become nuanced. :sad:
Autocorrect fail, but a good one.
Nuansense! I would call that an autocorrect win!  :smiley:

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #69 on: December 08, 2017, 09:57:59 AM »
"I never make an issue of it, but unfortunately some vegans and vegetarians can be pretty militant and cause unnecessary conflicts at work."

Pecan, just to clarify are you saying you're a vegan/vegetarian but you choose to eat meat at your school to make life more easy for your school? A lot of vegan and vegetarians take their commitment to not eating meat pretty seriously, so that just isn't reasonable advice for most people.

I would not tell people to lie on their application.

I was honest on the application, and was hired. It is better to be honest, and be placed in a school that understands your dietary restrictions upfront, then to be put into a school that expects you to eat school lunches because you lied to everyone. I have found that just being honest and open is the best policy, having a dietary restriction isn't being militant, it's just a part of your life. 

Good luck to anyone applying!
I don't burden others.  I simply opted out of the school lunch program and provide my own food.

As for "being honest and open" I agree to a point, but you NEED to read between the lines.

They are asking, "Are you a pain in the a$$?  Are you going to be difficult?"

Go ahead and be honest, but it's on you.

Many of the questions prohibited for use by HR in the West work both ways.

I’m a married man with children.

If the corporation would rather hire single people who can work late, travel on short notice, and accept lower pay, then the fact that they discriminate against me is a blessing in disguise.

If they see a vegetarian as an irritant, then you are better off not there.

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #70 on: December 08, 2017, 10:40:14 AM »
There are a load of questions I would simply NEVER answer, so I don't get the whole honesty thing.

If our KET asked you, xyz would you simply answer?

My first impulse is to respond, "Why do you ask?"

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2019, 12:05:43 PM »
https://youtu.be/PJnPZgLHHWQ

There is no way this can be a healthy lifestyle. Lots of these people look like concentration camp survivors

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2019, 11:56:51 AM »
https://youtu.be/PJnPZgLHHWQ

There is no way this can be a healthy lifestyle. Lots of these people look like concentration camp survivors
I think it can be a healthy lifestyle if you know what you're doing. Otherwise, it's very easy to become malnourished. Sad story about a vegan who died:

"When I first arrived in Seattle, I met Erica at a local Meetup group. She was an attractive and outgoing lady from Eastern Europe.....

"Erica had a conversation with a guy who I’ll call James at a Coffee Club Meetup that I was hosting. James, in my opinion, is an orthorexic hypochondriac. There was always something wrong with him and he was always restricting his diet further and further. At the point he was chatting with Erica, he was a raw vegan. James told Erica how he fixed or cured some ailment with his diet. She was inspired by his story and went down the rabbit hole of Internet 'research'.

"Every time her condition worsened, she restricted her diet more. She started going to the sauna twice a day to expel toxins from her body. Her weight kept dropping. Her mobility got worse. She couldn’t work anymore and refused medical help.  At this point, she didn’t trust any medical professionals. Eventually, she was too disabled to care for herself and was forced to move back to the East Coast with family members....."
https://criticalmas.org/2019/01/death-by-orthorexia/

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2019, 01:16:35 PM »
Counterpoint: I know some vegans who continued a nice fat and lazy lifestyle filled with plenty of gaming, smoking, and booze.

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2019, 01:33:54 PM »
Counterpoint: I know some vegans who continued a nice fat and lazy lifestyle filled with plenty of gaming, smoking, and booze.

Yeah, if you read the ingredients on those vegan chicken nuggets? Jesus..................... So much shit in there.
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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2019, 02:16:48 PM »
Counterpoint: I know some vegans who continued a nice fat and lazy lifestyle filled with plenty of gaming, smoking, and booze.

Yeah, if you read the ingredients on those vegan chicken nuggets? Jesus..................... So much shit in there.

If you aren’t going to eat meat, there are plenty of options without relying on “fake food”.


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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2019, 02:24:29 PM »
Counterpoint: I know some vegans who continued a nice fat and lazy lifestyle filled with plenty of gaming, smoking, and booze.

Yeah, if you read the ingredients on those vegan chicken nuggets? Jesus..................... So much shit in there.

If you aren’t going to eat meat, there are plenty of options without relying on “fake food”.

Right? Embrace the veggie, hahaha. When I was vegan it qas for health and environmental reasons. Factory produced soy nuggets didn't really factor in to those two ideals.
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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2019, 10:11:17 AM »
I would only wish veganism / vegetarianism onto the worst of my enemies. :p

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #78 on: February 12, 2019, 10:42:03 AM »
Right? Embrace the veggie, hahaha. When I was vegan it qas for health and environmental reasons. Factory produced soy nuggets didn't really factor in to those two ideals.
I've been slowly reducing meat and dairy consumption over the last year or two for health, ethical, and environmental reasons, and hope that one day I can make the jump to vegetarianism. Only problem is, basically, the only food that I really enjoy is the stuff that is really really really bad for one (or more) of those three.  :sad:

I'm hoping that one day soon vat-grown meat will become commercially viable, as that would actually go a long way towards helping all three of those issues.

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Re: Is veganism manageable?
« Reply #79 on: February 12, 2019, 10:53:55 AM »
I'm a pescetarian and always advise students to eat only organic and wild salmon during test weeks which helps concentration, so for me it's a resounding YES!
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