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« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2017, 12:17:32 PM »
The university only decided the guy's age was an issue after they interviewed him? Like it wasn't written on his resume he sent beforehand or anything? That story doesn't really ring true.

Not everyone puts their age on a resume. In fact, in the West, it would be highly inappropriate...so maybe they (or the one person making the final decision) first found out about his age through a passport copy or scan when he was submitting all the final documents. Maybe it was on the resume but not noticed initially. (I've heard complaints of resumes not being fully read or being read for the first time at the interview.) Or maybe it was something the uni person doing the hiring wasn't thrilled about but then at the last minute a better option (a female applicant) appeared. Sounds plausible to me. Haven't you experienced some wacky, illogical situations during the course of working here? I have. Others have. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that story as fake.

If they were prepared to reject a guy who, in his words, 'ticked all the boxes' just on his age You'd have thought they would have checked it on the resume first. Everyone puts their DOB on their resume don't they? Even if they don't you can find out from their job history or what year someone graduated.

I reckon it's more likely the guy just sucked at the interview and his friend told him a white lie.
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« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2017, 12:32:28 PM »
OK, picture this senario. The American guy is hired. He just needs to turn in the documents for final processing. Later that evening the head guy in charge picks up a copy of the 세계일보, reading this:

An official from a national university outside Seoul said, "By choosing people with a good reputation among foreigners who are already teaching in another place, you can reduce the risk." "Choose someone with at least a Bachelors Degree and TESOL (English teacher certificate)." He added, "To prevent scandalous incidents with female students, choose female instructors."


...and thinks, "Oh, sh*t! We'd better hire a female! Or if we can't get that at least an older guy, so old that he would be physically undesirable to the uni students, have a lower sex drive (that is, lower sexual desire) due to the aging process, more likely to be settled down with a wife and kids, etc."

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« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2017, 01:07:17 PM »
OK, picture this senario. The American guy is hired. He just needs to turn in the documents for final processing. Later that evening the head guy in charge picks up a copy of the 세계일보, reading this:

An official from a national university outside Seoul said, "By choosing people with a good reputation among foreigners who are already teaching in another place, you can reduce the risk." "Choose someone with at least a Bachelors Degree and TESOL (English teacher certificate)." He added, "To prevent scandalous incidents with female students, choose female instructors."


...and thinks, "Oh, sh*t! We'd better hire a female! Or if we can't get that at least an older guy, so old that he would be physically undesirable to the uni students, have a lower sex drive (that is, lower sexual desire) due to the aging process, more likely to be settled down with a wife and kids, etc."

A lot of things could have happened and he probably was discrimated against. I just don't buy the story of everything going well until someone saw his age on his passport.

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« Reply #83 on: February 23, 2017, 01:41:07 AM »
I've heard complaints of resumes not being fully read or being read for the first time at the interview.

I used to do hiring for a school here. The Korean I worked with went through the resumes.

She looked at the photo immediately and set aside the resumes whose picture she liked. The rest didn't get a look in.

Out of those, she then looked at the address and selected out all the people who were in korea already. Then she selected the prettiest and whitest females from that and asked me to get on with contacting them. Even then she preferred darker women to white western guys.

I think its basically because the mothers view women as being more soft and caring, and women as easier to work with.

She never read the qualifications on the resume at all, and the age of the person was also secondary (although if two candidates had nice photos then the younger one got preference).


That's just how it rolls in Korea.
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« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2017, 07:00:53 AM »
Let's all be real.

If you owned a hagwon here and you had two candidates with equal qualifications and experience then you're going to choose the pretty woman with blond hair.  Every time.  You'd be an idiot not to.

We all agree on that don't we?

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« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2017, 07:02:48 AM »
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That's just how it rolls in Korea.

Depends on the job. The guy on the video made a good point about hagwans in Korea being similar to places like Hooters who hire staff purely on image. In the West they get round the law by claiming their staff are actually models. I guess in Korea there isn't a law to get round thus far so they can advertise for females. He also made a good point about the two people he knows who are most successful in ESL being non white males. The more qualified and experienced you get, the less image matters and the less you're likely to want to get a job in Hooters. 
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« Reply #86 on: February 23, 2017, 07:33:51 AM »
Let's all be real.

If you owned a hagwon here and you had two candidates with equal qualifications and experience then you're going to choose the pretty woman with blond hair.  Every time.  You'd be an idiot not to.

We all agree on that don't we?

It's irrelevant as despite how many times people ask this type of question, you never ever get two candidates with exactly the same qualifications and experience. And anyway if you were an attractive MILF type hagwan owner you might not want to hire a pretty blonde woman as competition.

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« Reply #87 on: February 23, 2017, 08:14:18 AM »
He also made a good point about the two people he knows who are most successful in ESL being non white males.

That's not what he said though. He said non white. Could be female. Could be bilingual gypos in upper management positions. And he said "one of the most successful". Well, the videomaker wants everyone to believe they can make boatloads of money in the industry regardless of who they are because he's selling a course about how to become a wealthy English teacher (even though he's no longer teaching ESL). It's in his interest to skew things in a more positive light. Not saying he is, but the incentive is there.

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« Reply #88 on: February 23, 2017, 08:25:36 AM »
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That's not what he said though. He said non white. Could be female. Could be bilingual gypos in upper management positions. And he said "one of the most successful". Well, the videomaker wants everyone to believe they can make boatloads of money in the industry regardless of who they are because he's selling a course about how to become a wealthy English teacher (even though he's no longer teaching ESL). It's in his interest to skew things in a more positive light. Not saying he is, but the incentive is there.

There's no big secret to becoming a wealthy English teacher, it's the same as in any field (qualifications, specialisation and hard work) and the people who buy a book about it or pay for a course on it are probably those who won't ever do it.

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« Reply #89 on: February 23, 2017, 08:55:40 AM »

There's no big secret to becoming a wealthy English teacher, it's the same as in any field (qualifications, specialisation and hard work) and the people who buy a book about it or pay for a course on it are probably those who won't ever do it.

That's not necessarily true. If you start from less, it's harder to climb up to the top. Some folks will buy the books because their qualifications, specialization, and more importantly their hard work, aren't paying off the way they'd like. And they can find out from certain books, where their hard work has been directed that may have been wasteful, and what's a more profitable direction to aim that hard work.

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« Reply #90 on: February 23, 2017, 09:14:14 AM »

There's no big secret to becoming a wealthy English teacher, it's the same as in any field (qualifications, specialisation and hard work) and the people who buy a book about it or pay for a course on it are probably those who won't ever do it.

That's not necessarily true. If you start from less, it's harder to climb up to the top. Some folks will buy the books because their qualifications, specialization, and more importantly their hard work, aren't paying off the way they'd like. And they can find out from certain books, where their hard work has been directed that may have been wasteful, and what's a more profitable direction to aim that hard work.

You really think that book from benteachesenglish with his online MA in TEFL will have some amazing insight that I or any number of people on here on wouldn't be able to give you right now?

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« Reply #91 on: February 23, 2017, 09:32:41 AM »

There's no big secret to becoming a wealthy English teacher, it's the same as in any field (qualifications, specialisation and hard work) and the people who buy a book about it or pay for a course on it are probably those who won't ever do it.

That's not necessarily true. If you start from less, it's harder to climb up to the top. Some folks will buy the books because their qualifications, specialization, and more importantly their hard work, aren't paying off the way they'd like. And they can find out from certain books, where their hard work has been directed that may have been wasteful, and what's a more profitable direction to aim that hard work.

You really think that book from benteachesenglish with his online MA in TEFL will have some amazing insight that I or any number of people on here on wouldn't be able to give you right now?
I have no idea what's in that book, so I couldn't tell you. But I certainly am more likely to trust in a book that someone spent hours (perhaps years) of reasearch and effort to write, edit, rewrite, and publish than some of the responses offered by Waygook users. Which is often amazing advice!! But you've got to admit that the answers produced on here are not necessarily the most thoughtful or "educated" responses.

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« Reply #92 on: February 23, 2017, 10:16:56 AM »
You really think that book from benteachesenglish with his online MA in TEFL will have some amazing insight that I or any number of people on here on wouldn't be able to give you right now?

Actually he only got an unrelated online BA in liberal studies and then later an online MA management degree with no TEFL certificate or anything else. (He could have gotten an MA in TEFL too for free sponsored by the G.I. bill, but ultimately decided against it.) He says he made six figures a year teaching English, so much so he was able to retire. Looks quite young to be retired doesn't he? So how did he make so much money teaching English despite a lack of specialized qualifications? I'd say it's because he's a smart strategic guy (meaning he has some good insights), but also because the worldwide market for native English teachers was a lot different in the past when he was doing it- more money to be made overall, less competition, etc.

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« Reply #93 on: February 23, 2017, 10:20:06 AM »

There's no big secret to becoming a wealthy English teacher, it's the same as in any field (qualifications, specialisation and hard work) and the people who buy a book about it or pay for a course on it are probably those who won't ever do it.

That's not necessarily true. If you start from less, it's harder to climb up to the top. Some folks will buy the books because their qualifications, specialization, and more importantly their hard work, aren't paying off the way they'd like. And they can find out from certain books, where their hard work has been directed that may have been wasteful, and what's a more profitable direction to aim that hard work.

You really think that book from benteachesenglish with his online MA in TEFL will have some amazing insight that I or any number of people on here on wouldn't be able to give you right now?
I have no idea what's in that book, so I couldn't tell you. But I certainly am more likely to trust in a book that someone spent hours (perhaps years) of reasearch and effort to write, edit, rewrite, and publish than some of the responses offered by Waygook users. Which is often amazing advice!! But you've got to admit that the answers produced on here are not necessarily the most thoughtful or "educated" responses.

OK, If you really can't  predict what kind of advice is going to be in benteachesenglish's book, maybe you should buy it.

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« Reply #94 on: February 23, 2017, 10:30:42 AM »
You really think that book from benteachesenglish with his online MA in TEFL will have some amazing insight that I or any number of people on here on wouldn't be able to give you right now?

Actually he only got an unrelated online BA in liberal studies and then later an online MA management degree with no TEFL certificate or anything else. (He could have gotten an MA in TEFL too for free sponsored by the G.I. bill, but ultimately decided against it.) He says he made six figures a year teaching English, so much so he was able to retire. Looks quite young to be retired doesn't he? So how did he make so much money teaching English despite a lack of specialized qualifications? I'd say it's because he's a smart strategic guy (meaning he has some good insights), but also because the worldwide market for native English teachers was a lot different in the past when he was doing it- more money to be made overall, less competition, etc.

It sounds like you'd like to buy that book/do his course now as well as Ajahya. Are you beginning to see how he made all his money now? That and working in Saudi, which he's welcome to.
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« Reply #95 on: February 23, 2017, 10:39:52 AM »
You really think that book from benteachesenglish with his online MA in TEFL will have some amazing insight that I or any number of people on here on wouldn't be able to give you right now?

Actually he only got an unrelated online BA in liberal studies and then later an online MA management degree with no TEFL certificate or anything else. (He could have gotten an MA in TEFL too for free sponsored by the G.I. bill, but ultimately decided against it.) He says he made six figures a year teaching English, so much so he was able to retire. Looks quite young to be retired doesn't he? So how did he make so much money teaching English despite a lack of specialized qualifications? I'd say it's because he's a smart strategic guy (meaning he has some good insights), but also because the worldwide market for native English teachers was a lot different in the past when he was doing it- more money to be made overall, less competition, etc.

It sounds like you'd like to buy that book/do his course now as well as Ajahya. Are you beginning to see how he made all his money now?

You're so accusatory. My original comment was aimed at the fact that you wrote that "the people who buy a book about it or pay for a course on it are probably those who won't ever do it". Benteachesenglish's books are not aimed at me. I am not the target audience as I could care less about ever being a wealthy English teacher.

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« Reply #96 on: February 23, 2017, 10:44:30 AM »
You really think that book from benteachesenglish with his online MA in TEFL will have some amazing insight that I or any number of people on here on wouldn't be able to give you right now?

Actually he only got an unrelated online BA in liberal studies and then later an online MA management degree with no TEFL certificate or anything else. (He could have gotten an MA in TEFL too for free sponsored by the G.I. bill, but ultimately decided against it.) He says he made six figures a year teaching English, so much so he was able to retire. Looks quite young to be retired doesn't he? So how did he make so much money teaching English despite a lack of specialized qualifications? I'd say it's because he's a smart strategic guy (meaning he has some good insights), but also because the worldwide market for native English teachers was a lot different in the past when he was doing it- more money to be made overall, less competition, etc.

It sounds like you'd like to buy that book/do his course now as well as Ajahya. Are you beginning to see how he made all his money now?

You're so accusatory. My original comment was aimed at the fact that you wrote that "the people who buy a book about it or pay for a course on it are probably those who won't ever do it". Benteachesenglish's books are not aimed at me. I am not the target audience as I could care less about ever being a wealthy English teacher.

Good for you. Actually I was talking about all self help books. All making money out of suckers for stating the bleedin' obvious IMO.

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« Reply #97 on: February 23, 2017, 10:53:26 AM »
Good for you. Actually I was talking about all self help books. All making money out of suckers for stating the bleedin' obvious IMO.

Not everyone has had the same upbringing and education as you, so it's really great that certain things are obvious to you, but they won't be to everyone. For the people to whom it is not obvious, there are self-help books. And the people who have the information don't have to give it out for free. Since you obviously have all the answers, why don't you try writing one?

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« Reply #98 on: March 06, 2017, 11:39:16 AM »
I've always noticed "female preferred" positions are 'usually' the lowest salaries.  I've often thought woman who take those positions are suckers.

Being female is leverage and power. Of course they don't get paid less.

[Public School Position]

# 1
Starting Date : March 2nd, 2017
Student type: Elementary
Location : Yongsan
Salary : 2.8~million won
Working Hours : 8:30AM to 4:30PM
Work Days : Mon-Fri
No housing
E-2 Visa Holder Preferred. / Female Teacher Preferred


Loads of people would love to get a public school job in the center of Seoul.

Here's a female only one that goes against your theory. 36 hours of kids a week in the middle of nowhere for 2.2 mil.

1)Location: Suncheon city, Jeollanamdo
=Website: http://webtrans.wordia.co.kr:7000/etgi/
-It takes about 60 minutes from Sunchoen to Gwangju by bus.
-It takes about 2 hours from Suncheon to Seoul by KTX
2)Founded in 2003//Stable//Well-organized
3)Teaching levels: Kindergarten Kids to Elementary school students
4)Working time(Monday to Friday): 9:30AM to 8:00PM (including lunch break, class preparation and etc.)//Free lunch will be provided at the school.
5)Teaching hours per week: 36hours
6)Teacher's qualification required:
=Nationality: Not specified
=Age: Not specified
=Gender: Female only
7)Compensation
=Salary and Severance Pay: 2.2-2.4 million won (negotiable)
=Round Air fare, Housing and Health insurance
=Pension: No support
8)Date of starting work: ASAP


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« Reply #99 on: March 10, 2017, 04:04:16 PM »
I am over fifty and still employed. I sometimes have trouble between jobs however I see this situation as a filter I would never want to work for someone who has a discriminatory attitude.