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Offline Mr.DeMartino

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2400 on: September 12, 2018, 12:20:25 PM »
That's not the point and it is not a relevant question to the point I made about your question...
Actually that is the point. You have to consider the volume of Russian ads/tweets in comparison to the rest of the information that was out there before you can even start to claim that they had a significant impact.

Was there something magically more effective about the ads? Is Russian advertising superior to U.S. advertising? Why has this apparently only been effective in political advertising and not in say, being used to boost Russian exports?

If what the Russians spent on facebook ads was truly that effective in changing voters minds, then corporations around the world would be flocking to Russia. They aren't. Get a clue and use some critical thinking.

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Why would the Russians use a platform like Facebook to pedal ads like this to sway half-witted American voters?
Because they're part of a bureacracy and military apparatus that gets chucked money and told to go do/try/experiment with stuff and see what works and that doesn't make it part of some massive, powerful, propaganda operation.

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Answer:  Facebook is the most popular platform for Americans getting news and information.  (Please see graph higher up)

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Stunning. Clearly Clinton lost because of ads like this.

Did it ever occur to you that this idea that Putin is all-powerful and playing the world, and that we need to spend billions of dollars to stop these ads IS the propaganda operation? That's right, YOU are the one falling for the propaganda. It wasn't about getting Trump elected. It's about freaking people out and getting them to overreact.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2401 on: September 12, 2018, 12:24:07 PM »


Did it ever occur to you that this idea that Putin is all-powerful and playing the world, and that we need to spend billions of dollars to stop these ads IS the propaganda operation? That's right, YOU are the one falling for the propaganda. It wasn't about getting Trump elected. It's about freaking people out and getting them to overreact.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2402 on: September 12, 2018, 09:47:56 PM »
That's not the point and it is not a relevant question to the point I made about your question...
Actually that is the point. You have to consider the volume of Russian ads/tweets in comparison to the rest of the information that was out there before you can even start to claim that they had a significant impact.

Was there something magically more effective about the ads? Is Russian advertising superior to U.S. advertising? Why has this apparently only been effective in political advertising and not in say, being used to boost Russian exports?

If what the Russians spent on facebook ads was truly that effective in changing voters minds, then corporations around the world would be flocking to Russia. They aren't. Get a clue and use some critical thinking.

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Why would the Russians use a platform like Facebook to pedal ads like this to sway half-witted American voters?
Because they're part of a bureacracy and military apparatus that gets chucked money and told to go do/try/experiment with stuff and see what works and that doesn't make it part of some massive, powerful, propaganda operation.

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Answer:  Facebook is the most popular platform for Americans getting news and information.  (Please see graph higher up)

97 Reactions. 15 Comments. 29 shares.

Stunning. Clearly Clinton lost because of ads like this.

Did it ever occur to you that this idea that Putin is all-powerful and playing the world, and that we need to spend billions of dollars to stop these ads IS the propaganda operation? That's right, YOU are the one falling for the propaganda. It wasn't about getting Trump elected. It's about freaking people out and getting them to overreact.
The point on these threads appears to be whatever martini's last lie claims it to be.

One has to wonder if he has a side-job shilling for the repugs on discussion forums. That, at least, would be a reason other than mental illness for his incessant lies.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2403 on: September 13, 2018, 04:58:47 AM »
This relentless obfuscation and dishonestly are quintessential features of the Trump cult and its followers.
That, and of course, unmitigated stupidity from likes of Jimbo and his ilk.  ;D   
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2404 on: September 13, 2018, 07:08:32 AM »
Trump and September 11th...

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'17 years since September 11th'

11th Sep 2018

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'I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and the losers, on this special date, September 11th.'

11th September 2013


Hours after the planes hit, Trump was asked about the attacks...

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Reporter: You have one of the landmark buildings down in the financial district, 40 Wall Street.  Did you have any damage?  What's happened down there? 

Trump:  "40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan,” Trump replied, “and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest — and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest. And now it’s the tallest."

11th September 2001



Ladies and gentlemen, the patriotic President of the US...  :laugh:

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2405 on: September 13, 2018, 08:57:05 AM »
This relentless obfuscation and dishonestly are quintessential features of the Trump cult and its followers.
That, and of course, unmitigated stupidity from likes of Jimbo and his ilk.  ;D

97 Reactions. 15 Comments. 29 Shares. That's not viral. That isn't even a sneeze.

Who is obfuscating by screaming RUSSIA!!!!!

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2406 on: September 13, 2018, 09:10:36 AM »
This relentless obfuscation and dishonestly are quintessential features of the Trump cult and its followers.
That, and of course, unmitigated stupidity from likes of Jimbo and his ilk.  ;D

97 Reactions. 15 Comments. 29 Shares. That's not viral. That isn't even a sneeze.

Who is obfuscating by screaming RUSSIA!!!!!

 :rolleyes:

Does that mention 'Views'?  How often do people look at something on the internet and do nothing?  It just has to be in your eyesight.  It's psychological, you only have to look once as it's there, that's why you have advertising at the side of your screen.  It does something.  What about you, do you do something?  Actually, you're probably more of a special case because you have to do something every time, until the other person, A: gives up B: Dies or C: Gives up and dies.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2407 on: September 13, 2018, 09:49:28 AM »
This relentless obfuscation and dishonestly are quintessential features of the Trump cult and its followers.
That, and of course, unmitigated stupidity from likes of Jimbo and his ilk.  ;D

97 Reactions. 15 Comments. 29 Shares. That's not viral. That isn't even a sneeze.

Who is obfuscating by screaming RUSSIA!!!!!

Russia interfered/is interfering.

trump does little to nothing to stop it. Why? Because they helped him win the election and he hopes it'll work in the mid-terms?

Sounds logical to reasonable folks.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2408 on: September 13, 2018, 12:58:28 PM »
This relentless obfuscation and dishonestly are quintessential features of the Trump cult and its followers.
That, and of course, unmitigated stupidity from likes of Jimbo and his ilk.  ;D

97 Reactions. 15 Comments. 29 Shares. That's not viral. That isn't even a sneeze.

Who is obfuscating by screaming RUSSIA!!!!!

 :rolleyes:

Does that mention 'Views'?  How often do people look at something on the internet and do nothing?  It just has to be in your eyesight.  It's psychological, you only have to look once as it's there, that's why you have advertising at the side of your screen.  It does something.  What about you, do you do something?  Actually, you're probably more of a special case because you have to do something every time, until the other person, A: gives up B: Dies or C: Gives up and dies.

But that also applies to the Clinton and Trump ads which dwarfed the number of Rissian ads.

You know it's possible to think that Russian facebook ads didnt change one vote AND still think Trump is a lying pile of garbage. You don't have to defend everything because it's anti-Trump.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2409 on: September 14, 2018, 06:43:52 AM »
On the one side...

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'3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000........This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!'

13th September 2018 - Trump

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The report in the New England Journal of Medicine concludes that as many as 4,600 “excess deaths” occurred in the aftermath of the storm due to failures of medical and other critical infrastructure, and described the official number as “a substantial underestimate”.

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The adjustment of the official death toll followed nearly a year of campaigning by journalists, activists and academics to get the government to officially acknowledge the scale of devastation because 64 people was always considered an underestimate. The George Washington University report said the actual number of excess deaths was estimated to be in the range of 2,658 to 3,290.

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On his visit, he appeared to complain about the cost of the recovery effort. “I hate to tell you, Puerto Rico, but you’ve thrown our budget a little out of whack,” he said at a briefing shortly after arriving on the island.

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The mayor of San Juan, Carmen Yulín Cruz, responded to Trump on Twitter: “This is what denial following neglect looks like: Mr Pres in the real world people died on your watch. YOUR LACK OF RESPECT IS APPALLING

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Paul Ryan contested Trump’s claim that the death toll numbers were fabricated by Democrats.

“I have no reason to dispute those numbers,” the House speaker told reporters during a weekly leadership news conference on Thursday. “Those are just the facts when a horrible hurricane hits an isolated island.”

Difficult one...

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2410 on: September 14, 2018, 07:17:02 AM »
Bob Woodward, not sure how you can discredit this guy...


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2411 on: September 14, 2018, 08:24:35 AM »
I have no idea if the 3000 deaths claim is accurate or not, though I'm giving it a far higher probability of it being accurate (or accurate enough- say only 2,000 dead or even 4,000 dead. Obviously it's an estimate) then Trump thinking there's only a dozen or too dead.

That being said we have to consider some things-

1. The extent to which the previous two hurricanes affected the ability of disaster efforts to reach Puerto Rice
2. The extent to which Puerto Rio being and island affected the ability of resources to reach it
3. The infrastructure and skill of the government of Puerto Rico
4. Whether the same death calculation, which seems to include indirect deaths, has been used with other hurricanes.
5.The extent to which things could have been done differently.
6. The extent to which Trump affected things

Absent hard data regarding those things, 'Blame Trump' is premature, though 'Blame Republicans' and their budget cutting could be a quicker call. That being said, Puerto Rico should have some level of preparation for this and if they didn't prepare adequately....

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2412 on: September 14, 2018, 09:47:32 AM »
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You honestly think people changed their votes because of Russian facebook ads and the Podesta emails?

 :rolleyes:  Now, why would the Russians focus their attention on Facebook and not a simple leaflet through the door campaign?

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Looking at the population as a whole, Facebook by far still leads every other social media site as a source of news. This is largely due to Facebook’s large user base, compared with other platforms, and the fact that most of its users get news on the site. Specifically, about two-thirds of Americans (66%) use Facebook, and a majority of those users get news on the site, similar to 2016. Looked at as a portion of all U.S. adults, this translates into just under half (45%) of Americans getting news on Facebook.

Even though YouTube has a large user base – 58% of the population – a smaller portion gets news there. In 2017, both the user base and the share getting news on YouTube grew. The result: 18% of all Americans now get news on YouTube, making it the second most common social media site for news – albeit still far behind Facebook


This is just social media.
Most adults get their news through television.  Most news is left leaning, by far.   So a hundred grand on ads is not going to overturn what they hear on network news channels.

If you accept that the Media, Hollywood and academia are democrats, then how can they lose any elections.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2413 on: September 14, 2018, 10:05:45 AM »
I have no idea if the 3000 deaths claim is accurate or not, though I'm giving it a far higher probability of it being accurate (or accurate enough- say only 2,000 dead or even 4,000 dead. Obviously it's an estimate) then Trump thinking there's only a dozen or too dead.

That being said we have to consider some things-

1. The extent to which the previous two hurricanes affected the ability of disaster efforts to reach Puerto Rice
2. The extent to which Puerto Rio being and island affected the ability of resources to reach it
3. The infrastructure and skill of the government of Puerto Rico
4. Whether the same death calculation, which seems to include indirect deaths, has been used with other hurricanes.
5.The extent to which things could have been done differently.
6. The extent to which Trump affected things

Absent hard data regarding those things, 'Blame Trump' is premature, though 'Blame Republicans' and their budget cutting could be a quicker call. That being said, Puerto Rico should have some level of preparation for this and if they didn't prepare adequately....
He's over 5000 misleading or false statements. This is just another one and you want to quibble. Pathetic.

FEMA was not ready--that's on trump.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2414 on: September 14, 2018, 10:07:01 AM »
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You honestly think people changed their votes because of Russian facebook ads and the Podesta emails?

 :rolleyes:  Now, why would the Russians focus their attention on Facebook and not a simple leaflet through the door campaign?

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Looking at the population as a whole, Facebook by far still leads every other social media site as a source of news. This is largely due to Facebook’s large user base, compared with other platforms, and the fact that most of its users get news on the site. Specifically, about two-thirds of Americans (66%) use Facebook, and a majority of those users get news on the site, similar to 2016. Looked at as a portion of all U.S. adults, this translates into just under half (45%) of Americans getting news on Facebook.

Even though YouTube has a large user base – 58% of the population – a smaller portion gets news there. In 2017, both the user base and the share getting news on YouTube grew. The result: 18% of all Americans now get news on YouTube, making it the second most common social media site for news – albeit still far behind Facebook


This is just social media.
Most adults get their news through television.  Most news is left leaning, by far.   So a hundred grand on ads is not going to overturn what they hear on network news channels.

If you accept that the Media, Hollywood and academia are democrats, then how can they lose any elections.
I guess that leaves you out, jimbo.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2415 on: September 14, 2018, 10:25:01 AM »
You don’t see the irony here?
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2416 on: September 15, 2018, 05:39:33 AM »
You don’t see the irony here?
You mean that "brave man" Paul Manafort has flipped?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2417 on: September 15, 2018, 08:16:23 AM »
You don’t see the irony here?
You mean that "brave man" Paul Manafort has flipped?

On behalf of the Trump cult peanut gallery I would like to get in first and say that Trump's 20 year associate presidential campaign manager and agent of foreign government pleading guilty to conspiracy, witness tampering, fraud and money laundering  has nothing to do with Trump, because as you know, the truth isn't truth! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And anyway why isn't anyone talking about Hillary and Obama? :laugh:

Over to you Martini and Jimbo.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2418 on: September 15, 2018, 05:06:40 PM »
You don’t see the irony here?
You mean that "brave man" Paul Manafort has flipped?

On behalf of the Trump cult peanut gallery I would like to get in first and say that Trump's 20 year associate presidential campaign manager and agent of foreign government pleading guilty to conspiracy, witness tampering, fraud and money laundering  has nothing to do with Trump, because as you know, the truth isn't truth! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And anyway why isn't anyone talking about Hillary and Obama? :laugh:

Over to you Martini and Jimbo.

Again with the stupid emojis. 

I’m curious to see what he offered mueller for a deal.
But, yes,  all that is from many years ago.   We still don’t know what he will provide to mueller for the deal.

Lots of rats in the swamp that’s why there’s no talk of obama and Hillary.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2419 on: September 15, 2018, 07:52:43 PM »
Expect Manafort will be able to assist with corroborating evidence in the quid pro quo for Russian election assistance at that Trump Tower meeting given that he was working unpaid for Trump during the campaign but was instead on the payroll for the Ukraine.
Speculate that Trump Jr would be the next big name indictment.

All this assumes you're capable of ignoring the obfuscation and can connect the dots though. ;D
Far too much to ask of a cult follower and avid Fox news viewer of course.