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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1840 on: May 14, 2018, 12:41:45 PM »
It ain't a moderate "shift". Ultimatums of sanctions on European companies if EU don't bend over and drop their pants at Trump's command like the Republican party are not conductive to good relationships. The Chinese are fostering those relationships by cosying up to EU states. Trumpland is threatening them with economic war if they don't fall into line behind the self proclaimed god-emperor. Good luck with that approach. Emperor Pooh and Vlad will keep on smiling at those diplomatic faux pas.

You mean the way our threats of sanctions against China caused them to back North Korea more strongly and emboldened North Korea to further develop its nuclear arsenal and continue it's bellicose stance?

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Pretty much running roughshod over all actual facts and patterns to paint probably the most ridiculously optimistic NK scenario I have ever seen. And I have watched Korean news recently. His predictions are even more over the top than theirs.

What? Predicting a gradual reopening of North Korea along a China-model post-Nixon?

Seems more likely than your scenario of Trump waking up and starting a nuclear war following a Kim tweet.

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Trump Russia
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Watch him come running.

I can't address your nonsense Russia theories?

You guys are really getting desperate. You have so much of yourself wrapped up in this that you for Trump to succeed would be devastating to your worldview.

As I've already said, Trump is a risk and he's certainly a used car salesman and things could go wrong, but he could also be right on some things. I have even said that I wouldn't be surprised if some tax evasion/money laundering exists somewhere in the nether reaches of his organization.

You're the ones who predicted doom and gloom and can't admit you were wrong.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1841 on: May 14, 2018, 01:33:01 PM »
1) What on gods earth of you blathering about there? Threatening Europe is counter productive to EU-US relations. Do you actually seriously think they are going to turn around and say "Yes, sir. 3 bags full, sir!" If so, you know even less about Europeans than you seem to think. The Iran deal is good for them and any trouble they receive from Trumpland can be mitigated on the short term to medium term by moving closer to China, which most of them have already been doing at an increasingly rapid pace since your boy took office.

2) North Korea is not Maoist China. Maoist China's raison d'etre was not annexing it's neighbour. North Korea's is, by hook or by crook. That alone makes your comparison asinine in every way.

3) You don't quite get why people say "trump Russia" yet, do you? It's a dogwhistle to get you to come running. I'm surprised that that wasn't obvious. See image:
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1842 on: May 14, 2018, 01:38:58 PM »
Heres a tip. There once existed two countries. North Vietnam and South Vietnam. In Steelrails land, Once the US made a deal with the North, they united under a banner of peace, utopia and friendship, where children joined hands with soldiers from both sides and sung great patriotic songs. Everyone lived in peace and no one died. Then there was one great utopia.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1843 on: May 14, 2018, 02:40:38 PM »
1) What on gods earth of you blathering about there? Threatening Europe is counter productive to EU-US relations. Do you actually seriously think they are going to turn around and say "Yes, sir. 3 bags full, sir!" If so, you know even less about Europeans than you seem to think. The Iran deal is good for them and any trouble they receive from Trumpland can be mitigated on the short term to medium term by moving closer to China, which most of them have already been doing at an increasingly rapid pace since your boy took office.

2) North Korea is not Maoist China. Maoist China's raison d'etre was not annexing it's neighbour. North Korea's is, by hook or by crook. That alone makes your comparison asinine in every way.

By that logic, Iran's raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel by hook or by crook and those European countries are collaborating with Iran to achieve it. I don't think that's the case. I think this has as much to do with Iran's efforts in Syria and Yemen as it does any nuclear threat.

The fact is that the U.S., even if they don't like Trump and there's disagreements, is more of an ally than China will ever be. They may cynically partner with China on some things (just as we do) but they're not going their own separate way (in part because they may believe that Trump is just a blip). Europe is not going to gamble it's entire relationship with the U.S. over the Iran deal. The Iran deal is not vital to European interests, therefore they may grumble or not go along (ala the Iraq War, and like that it may be to their benefit) but they aren't going to embrace China.

North Korea may have some grand diabolical scheme to conquer all of South Korea, or it may simply have grasped the reality that it isn't happening and have finally decided to move on, just as China is not hell-bent on a Million Man Swim and taking Taiwan. By your logic, Nixon sold out Taiwan and an invasion was imminent.

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3) You don't quite get why people say "trump Russia" yet, do you? It's a dogwhistle to get you to come running. I'm surprised that that wasn't obvious. See image:

It's your own whistle circle-jerk. You seem to think that mentioning Russia and me pointing out how it's going nowhere at the moment is some sort of victory. Meanwhile evidence grows that the basis for the Russian collusion narrative was part of an effort to spy on Trump, not genuine evidence.

Heres a tip. There once existed two countries. North Vietnam and South Vietnam. In Steelrails land, Once the US made a deal with the North, they united under a banner of peace, utopia and friendship, where children joined hands with soldiers from both sides and sung great patriotic songs. Everyone lived in peace and no one died. Then there was one great utopia.

Or you know, it could be like China and Taiwan and Nixon going to China. Time will tell and North Korea should always be regarded with skepticism, but that doesn't mean that progress is impossible.

Sounds like you guys would have been opposed to Nixon going to China and us normalizing relations simply because you hated Nixon and you would have believed China was playing him in order to invade Taiwan.

Again, how many of your predictions about Trump have turned out to be true? Did he fail to earn the nomination? Did he fail to win the presidency? Were there mass deportations? Were there Muslim internment camps? 3AM nuclear war? Did the Arab world explode after our embassy move? Did the economy collapse?

You make the Tea Party seem prescient, stable, and grounded in comparison.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1844 on: May 15, 2018, 06:43:16 AM »
Didn't you lot predict doom and gloom when we moved our embassy? How did that turn out?

Yeh, how did that turn out?
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Gaza has had its bloodiest day in years after Israeli forces shot and killed 55 Palestinians and wounded at least 1,200 as tens of thousands protested along the frontier against the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem.

The violent scenes contrasted sharply with the glossy inauguration of Washington’s new mission around 60 miles away in an affluent Jerusalem neighbourhood. The US president’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, celebrated the opening to clapping and cheering from American and Israeli VIPs.

Keep the American Embassy where it was in Tel Aviv, these people don't die. 

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Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, said Monday was a “glorious day”. “Remember this moment. This is history. President Trump, by recognising history you have made history,” he said to applause.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1845 on: May 15, 2018, 10:39:40 AM »

Yeh, how did that turn out?
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Gaza has had its bloodiest day in years after Israeli forces shot and killed 55 Palestinians and wounded at least 1,200 as tens of thousands protested along the frontier against the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem.

The violent scenes contrasted sharply with the glossy inauguration of Washington’s new mission around 60 miles away in an affluent Jerusalem neighbourhood. The US president’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, celebrated the opening to clapping and cheering from American and Israeli VIPs.
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The protests were already scheduled for May 15th to "celebrate" the 70th anniversary of the Nakba, aka the founding of Israel. They simply moved everything a day earlier. Hamas held it's protest today. Fatah will hold it's protest tomorrow. It remains to be seen how Fatah's will go- Will there be similar clashes (building off of yesterday) or will Fatah try and keep things relatively sane since I think they seem to realize which direction the wind is blowing.

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Keep the American Embassy where it was in Tel Aviv, these people don't die. 

These protests were going to happen regardless. These people don't die if Hamas doesn't mix in with the crowd to try and set off bombs, they don't throw rocks and molotovs, and they don't launch kites and balloons loaded with molotovs to crash into Israel.

It's not Israel's fault that the Palestinians seem constitutionally incapable of organizing any measured non-violent protest and using non-violent resistance.

Meanwhile the rest of the Arab world, The Saudis and the Gulf States, yawn and continue to cooperate with Israel and the U.S. The Egyptians issued a protest but that has more to do with what they see as an overly harsh Israeli response, not the embassy move.

The way the media had portrayed it, you'd think the embassy move would have been met with riots across the Arab world.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1846 on: May 15, 2018, 11:59:03 AM »

Yeh, how did that turn out?
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Gaza has had its bloodiest day in years after Israeli forces shot and killed 55 Palestinians and wounded at least 1,200 as tens of thousands protested along the frontier against the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem.

The violent scenes contrasted sharply with the glossy inauguration of Washington’s new mission around 60 miles away in an affluent Jerusalem neighbourhood. The US president’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, celebrated the opening to clapping and cheering from American and Israeli VIPs.
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The protests were already scheduled for May 15th to "celebrate" the 70th anniversary of the Nakba, aka the founding of Israel. They simply moved everything a day earlier. Hamas held it's protest today. Fatah will hold it's protest tomorrow. It remains to be seen how Fatah's will go- Will there be similar clashes (building off of yesterday) or will Fatah try and keep things relatively sane since I think they seem to realize which direction the wind is blowing.

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Keep the American Embassy where it was in Tel Aviv, these people don't die. 

These protests were going to happen regardless. These people don't die if Hamas doesn't mix in with the crowd to try and set off bombs, they don't throw rocks and molotovs, and they don't launch kites and balloons loaded with molotovs to crash into Israel.

It's not Israel's fault that the Palestinians seem constitutionally incapable of organizing any measured non-violent protest and using non-violent resistance.

Meanwhile the rest of the Arab world, The Saudis and the Gulf States, yawn and continue to cooperate with Israel and the U.S. The Egyptians issued a protest but that has more to do with what they see as an overly harsh Israeli response, not the embassy move.

The way the media had portrayed it, you'd think the embassy move would have been met with riots across the Arab world.

The protests were going to take place anyway on Nakba, so don't do something as incendiary as opening a US embassy in a highly volatile area around the same time as these protests.  You don't get it.  It's like throwing a bucket of petrol over a fire that is already burning.  You understand that?  Germany, Turkey, Jordan, the EU, the UN (128/9), UN Security Council (14/1) the Arab League, the Pope and many others told them, don't build the embassy there, in December.  What a way to rub it in, organise it to open in a rich area of Jerusalem, with your horrible daughter and her equally disgraceful husband attending.  The Israelis and Palestinians want to sort this out themselves, they don't want Trump sticking his fat face in after getting millions from Sheldon Adelson and fast-tracking a massive shit sandwich, while he sits in the US grinning like the cuunt he is.  Don't mention the Saudis as any harmless by-standers, a disgraceful country run by corrupt authorities.  This situation is so ridiculously volatile.  Hamas has some blame too.  No Israelis have been killed since late March, a lot of Palestinians have.  America has done nothing but fuuck up this whole thing.  Which considering Trump is their president isn't surprising in the least. 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1847 on: May 15, 2018, 12:18:53 PM »
The protests were going to take place anyway on Nakba, so don't do something as incendiary as opening a US embassy in a highly volatile area around the same time as these protests.
Yeah, the Palestinians were going to riot regardless. Over 1,000 Palestinians were killed in Obama's first year in office. His last two years we had this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015-2016_wave_of_violence_in_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict

Blaming this on Trump is ridiculous.

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ermany, Turkey, Jordan, the EU, the UN (128/9), UN Security Council (14/1) the Arab League, the Pope and many others told them, don't build the embassy there, in December.

Yet ever since then the Gulf States and the Saudis have gotten closer to Israel and have grown increasingly weary of the Palestinians.

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The Israelis and Palestinians want to sort this out themselves

And a fine job they were doing before Trump came in. On the verge of peace they were.

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Don't mention the Saudis as any harmless by-standers, a disgraceful country run by corrupt authorities.

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are no beacons of democracy. On the other hand they can offer basic services to their citizens, host international events, and participate in the world economy. They also don't start lobbing missiles at Israel because some country moves its embassy.

Do you seriously think Jerusalem is NOT going to be an Israeli city? It's not going anywhere. Might as well deal with reality and accept it. Most of the other nations around the region have at least tacitly accepted that are moving ahead. Heck, even Iran and Syria go back and forth between opposing and cooperating with Israel whenever Sunni extremism rears its head. They're at least somewhat realist. Even Fatah and the Palestinian Authority seems to want to move on, even though they can never say that publicly.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1848 on: May 16, 2018, 09:59:56 AM »
Let's address these inane rantings of yours one at a time, shall we?
1) Iran is an actual country with thousands of years of history, predating even biblical Israel. North Korea isn't even comparable. But hey you already knew that. You just made a stupid comparison because you are steelrails and its what you do when you don't have a clue about what you are actually arguing over.
If North Korea drops its raison d'etre it collapses. It dies. It's absolutely all that it has going for it propaganda wise. It doesn't need to actually achieve it, but it cannot exist without it.  Iran, by contrast does not have a fate tied to Israel.

2) "Trump Russia" went over your head, didn't it? The picture apparently did too. Tip: It's beetlejuice.

3) You keep coming back to China because its all you have for your delusional scenario. A fantasy that the North Korea-South Korea situation is absolutely like China-Taiwan when in reality if there's any actual real comparison that can be made, its the two Vietnams. North Vietnam couldn't allow South Vietnam to exist once it had acquired the advantage. it's entire existence was based on the idea of reuniting Vietnam under its communist party. Sound familiar?

But hey, keep on deflecting and pretending to understand.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1849 on: May 16, 2018, 10:17:37 AM »
Let's address these inane rantings of yours one at a time, shall we?
1) Iran is an actual country with thousands of years of history, predating even biblical Israel. North Korea isn't even comparable. But hey you already knew that. You just made a stupid comparison because you are steelrails and its what you do when you don't have a clue about what you are actually arguing over.
Then what about Jordan? They were able to make peace with Israel. The Saudis, the stewards of Mecca and Medina, have essentially worked out a de facto peace with Israel.

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If North Korea drops its raison d'etre it collapses. It dies. It's absolutely all that it has going for it propaganda wise. It doesn't need to actually achieve it, but it cannot exist without it.  Iran, by contrast does not have a fate tied to Israel.

North Korea isn't tied to the idea of reunification. They can pivot to something else. New Glorious 21st Century Workers Paradise or whatever. Maybe hoot and holler about the Historical Danger from Imperialist Danger Japan. Regimes can change their stances and who the bogeyman is.

Saying reunification is the North's raison d'etre is like saying reunification is the South's raison d'etre.

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"Trump Russia" went over your head, didn't it?

It's hilarious you've bought that crackpot conspiracy theory. Have you checked in with the Mueller indictment lately? Seems to be some serious problems there- as in the case against one of the firms, Concord Management, is on the verge of being thrown out.

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3) You keep coming back to China because its all you have for your delusional scenario. A fantasy that the North Korea-South Korea situation is absolutely like China-Taiwan when in reality if there's any actual real comparison that can be made, its the two Vietnams. North Vietnam couldn't allow South Vietnam to exist once it had acquired the advantage. it's entire existence was based on the idea of reuniting Vietnam under its communist party. Sound familiar?

Egypt said it couldn't allow Israel to exist. Then we got Sadat and Begin. The Warsaw Pact pledged to unite the world under the glorious socialist workers revolution. Then the Berlin Wall came tumbling down.

North Vietnam had recently fought a war and there was no chance the U.S. would intervene, plus they were militarily superior to South Vietnam. On the other hand, in a conventional war, South Korea would wipe the floor with North Korea. And if North Korea uses WMDs, that would abrogate whatever treaty they have and result in massive nuclear retaliation and regime change.

North Korea can't just swarm South Korea like a bunch of ants. It needs reserves of petrol, supplies, currency, etc. in order to wage a war of invasion. Most importantly it needs backing and there's no way in hell China would sanction an invasion of the South.

You're the one that needs to get a clue and to stop pretending you understand.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1850 on: May 16, 2018, 10:25:24 AM »
The protests were going to take place anyway on Nakba, so don't do something as incendiary as opening a US embassy in a highly volatile area around the same time as these protests.
Yeah, the Palestinians were going to riot regardless. Over 1,000 Palestinians were killed in Obama's first year in office. His last two years we had this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015-2016_wave_of_violence_in_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict

Blaming this on Trump is ridiculous.

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ermany, Turkey, Jordan, the EU, the UN (128/9), UN Security Council (14/1) the Arab League, the Pope and many others told them, don't build the embassy there, in December.

Yet ever since then the Gulf States and the Saudis have gotten closer to Israel and have grown increasingly weary of the Palestinians.

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The Israelis and Palestinians want to sort this out themselves

And a fine job they were doing before Trump came in. On the verge of peace they were.

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Don't mention the Saudis as any harmless by-standers, a disgraceful country run by corrupt authorities.

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are no beacons of democracy. On the other hand they can offer basic services to their citizens, host international events, and participate in the world economy. They also don't start lobbing missiles at Israel because some country moves its embassy.

Do you seriously think Jerusalem is NOT going to be an Israeli city? It's not going anywhere. Might as well deal with reality and accept it. Most of the other nations around the region have at least tacitly accepted that are moving ahead. Heck, even Iran and Syria go back and forth between opposing and cooperating with Israel whenever Sunni extremism rears its head. They're at least somewhat realist. Even Fatah and the Palestinian Authority seems to want to move on, even though they can never say that publicly.

I'll keep this short, and I'll include a picture.



This gross human gave another detestable human around 100 million dollars during the 2016 presidential election because of the election 'promise' to move the American Embassy to Israel.  This is not about peace, it is not about stability, if you keep 2.5 million people in an open air prison, what do you expect them to do?  You are continuing your delusion that what Trump is doing is good......for some reason.  “Deal of the century”?  Fat chance.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1851 on: May 16, 2018, 10:32:19 AM »
This gross human gave another detestable human around 100 million dollars during the 2016 presidential election because of the election 'promise' to move the American Embassy to Israel. 

Whining about Sheldon Adelson is as dumb as right-wingers whining about George Soros.

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if you keep 2.5 million people in an open air prison, what do you expect them to do?  You are continuing your delusion that what Trump is doing is good......for some reason.
Gee, I dunno, whatever it is the Jews did that turned them into pound-for-pound perhaps the single greatest people on the planet. I mean, that's pretty much what Israel was in 1948 when it was attacked on all sides.

Maybe instead of having "Days of Rage" they should have "Days of Reading a Book" or "Days of Cleaning up the Streets" or whatever.

It's one thing to resist, and I do think at time Israel crosses the line and the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance, but if your counter-proposal is "Annihilate Israel and kill all Jews", then you aren't part of the negotiation.

Give it up, Jerusalem ain't going anywhere.

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« Reply #1852 on: May 16, 2018, 01:18:09 PM »
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“We will appropriately respond to the Trump administration if it approaches the North Korea-US summit meeting with a truthful intent to improve relations,” Kim said.

He added: “But we are no longer interested in a negotiation that will be all about driving us into a corner and making a one-sided demand for us to give up our nukes and this would force us to reconsider whether we would accept the North Korea-US summit meeting.”

Truthful?  Ah well....

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The statement added Trump would remain as a “failed president” if he followed in the steps of his predecessors.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/north-korea-talks-cancelled-trump-summit-latest

Tell us something we don't know?

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« Reply #1853 on: May 16, 2018, 01:27:01 PM »
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“We will appropriately respond to the Trump administration if it approaches the North Korea-US summit meeting with a truthful intent to improve relations,” Kim said.

He added: “But we are no longer interested in a negotiation that will be all about driving us into a corner and making a one-sided demand for us to give up our nukes and this would force us to reconsider whether we would accept the North Korea-US summit meeting.”

Truthful?  Ah well....

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The statement added Trump would remain as a “failed president” if he followed in the steps of his predecessors.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/north-korea-talks-cancelled-trump-summit-latest

Tell us something we don't know?

Again, standard negotiating procedure and it was already predicted by some people.

If the North DIDN'T do something like this, I'd be more worried.

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« Reply #1854 on: May 16, 2018, 08:57:12 PM »
Backed out of the Iran deal and missiles fly in the ME. Instead of being able to deal with the problem of Iran's ballistic missiles we're now back to dealing with its nuclear capabilities.

Moves embassy to Jerusalem and scores are shot down and killed in predicted protests. Speakers such as hagee show this is mostly just red meat for evangelicals who are waiting/preparing for the second coming.

NK got the president of the US to concede to meet him without any concessions on their part and got the US president and secretary of state to describe Kim as honorable.

Trump wants sanctions lifted from China's ZTE after China okays $500 million loan for properties he's developing in Indonesia.

And let's not forget Scott Pruitt. How about net neutrality after AT&T put Cohen on the payroll?

Swampy, swampier, swampiest?


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« Reply #1855 on: May 17, 2018, 08:53:30 AM »
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North Korea’s denunciation of John Bolton has forced Donald Trump to decide whether to stick with his national security adviser and his hardline tactics, or push ahead with a summit with Kim Jong-un that will provide historic spectacle but an uncertain outcome.

Underlying the plans for the Singapore summit was a fundamental ambiguity over what “complete denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula” means. For Pyongyang it is a fluid term that means a long-term process of disarmament, involving all major powers, in whose ranks North Korea would henceforward be counted a member.

The Trump administration thought it meant – or wanted it to mean – that Kim was ready to give up the arsenal he had declared complete and operational in January. For his part, the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, who was tasked by Trump to set up the Kim summit, was ready to live with the ambiguity, at least until 12 June, when the unprecedented encounter is due to take place.

In weekend television appearances, Pompeo seemed to blur the US negotiating position, suggesting the aim was to prevent North Korea threatening the US mainland with nuclear weapons, a lower bar that would theoretically permit Pyongyang to retain some warheads as long as they did not build intercontinental missiles.

Ambiguity is not Bolton’s style, however. In his own, competing, TV appearances, he was adamant that North Korea would have to take all its weapons apart and ship the fissile material to the US. It was this, coupled his earlier reference to the “Libya model” – which for Pyongyang summons up the memory of Muammar Gaddafi’s brutalised body being paraded on a truck – that got the regime’s attention.

“It was quite deliberate. We all know how Gaddafi died,” said Jeffrey Lewis, the director of the East Asia nonproliferation programme at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies of Monterey. “You don’t bring up a man’s grisly murder as an inducement.”

Vipin Narang, an associate professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said it was likely to be the bragging that Kim had been forced to the table by Trump’s successful use of “maximum pressure” with sanctions and threats that had stung the Pyongyang regime most.

Kim has portrayed his diplomatic opening as a natural consequence of completing the decades-long project to build a nuclear arsenal.

“The North Koreans were prepared to ignore a lot of what the administration said before the summit, but it was the victory lap before the race that has really set them off,” Narang said.


Bolton has a track record with the North Koreans, who blame him for persuading the George W Bush administration to quit a 1994 nuclear deal, the Agreed Framework. In his memoir, Surrender is Not an Option, Bolton boasts about his success in torpedoing state department efforts to keep talks with Pyongyang alive, deriding the diplomats as appeasers.

At the time, the regime denounced him as “human scum” and a “bloodsucker”, banning him from any bilateral talks. On Wednesday, the first deputy prime minister, Kim Kye-gwan, made it clear that the regime’s antipathy had not mellowed with time, noting “we do not hide our feeling of repugnance towards him”.

Earlier in the week, a western diplomat had predicted that the inevitable compromise at a Kim summit could force a parting of the ways between Trump and his third national security adviser. Trump, who has basked in suggestions he might be eligible for the Nobel peace prize, is clearly keen to keep his appointment in Singapore. The weekend row could now bring his looming dilemma forward.

The White House on Wednesday was hedging its bets, with its spokeswoman pointedly distancing Trump from Bolton’s “Libyan model”.

“Sarah Sanders threw Bolton under a bus this morning,” Lewis said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/16/trump-north-korea-nuclear-summit-john-bolton

All very interesting.  The North Koreans think Bolton, rightly, is a cuunt, and they have past with him.  As for the premature celebrating and Nobel Prize suggestions, they would appear to work in North Korea's favour.  That carrot has been dangled in front of Trump stupid, narcissistic face and he wants it.  Goodbye Bolton. 

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« Reply #1856 on: May 17, 2018, 08:56:09 AM »
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Asked whether the summit, planned for 12 June in Singapore, was still on, Trump told reporters: “We’ll see what happens.”

He added that “we haven’t been notified at all” that the North Koreans had cancelled the meeting.

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Dear Donnie,

I can't make the meeting on June 12th, because I'm washing my hair.

All the best,

Jeongy

Or better still do it on Twitter before you tell the US.  How Trumpy would that be?   ;D

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1857 on: May 17, 2018, 11:38:55 AM »
NK got the president of the US to concede to meet him without any concessions on their part and got the US president and secretary of state to describe Kim as honorable

You can tell someone has swallowed partisan news hook, line, and sinker if they think this some big deal. Do you think this prevents Kim from facing serious internal upheaval if sanctions start leading to mass starvation and money drives up for higher ups in NK society?

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Moves embassy to Jerusalem and scores are shot down and killed in predicted protests.

I guess you missed the part where Hamas announced that the overwhelming majority of those killed were members of Hamas.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1858 on: May 17, 2018, 11:53:14 AM »


You can tell someone has swallowed partisan news hook, line, and sinker if they......

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I guess you missed the part where Hamas announced that the overwhelming majority of those killed were members of Hamas.

Oh boy
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1859 on: May 17, 2018, 11:55:25 AM »


You can tell someone has swallowed partisan news hook, line, and sinker if they......

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I guess you missed the part where Hamas announced that the overwhelming majority of those killed were members of Hamas.

Oh boy

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