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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #940 on: August 18, 2017, 02:43:11 PM »
Well a few months ago we were lucky no one was killed when a lefty opened fire on U.S. Congressmen, or have we all forgotten that?

Not to mention this all started with antifa people attacking people attending presentations by guest speakers who while they might be considered "hard right", are not considered White Nationalists/Nazis.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #941 on: August 18, 2017, 08:33:52 PM »
Well a few months ago we were lucky no one was killed when a lefty opened fire on U.S. Congressmen, or have we all forgotten that?

Not to mention this all started with antifa people attacking people attending presentations by guest speakers who while they might be considered "hard right", are not considered White Nationalists/Nazis.
This did not start with antifa protests.

Hodgkinson was an unhinged individual whose life had fallen apart. He was not part of any leftist group. James Alex Fields, on the other hand, was with Vanguard America, although they deny it. Call him an unofficial follower, if you like.

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Weimer says Fields was intelligent and didn't cause trouble. But he says the quiet boy was also deeply into Adolf Hitler and white supremacy.

Similar to your interest in the Civil War and defense of the confederacy?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #942 on: August 19, 2017, 07:11:17 AM »
So, Bannon is out.

An unidentified White House spokesperson said, "The President felt that due to recent events that there should only be one big fat white racist calling the shots."

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #943 on: August 19, 2017, 07:58:08 AM »


Most of the GOP is keeping their heads down and trying to ride this thing out. But not Trump. He's not easily intimidated.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #944 on: August 19, 2017, 08:35:11 AM »


Most of the GOP is keeping their heads down and trying to ride this thing out. But not Trump. He's not easily intimidated.
So why'd he fire Bannon and get down on his knees to keep Cohn from quitting?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #945 on: August 19, 2017, 11:16:32 AM »
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Another presidential advisory committee is breaking up.

Actor Kal Penn, artist Chuck Close and the entire membership of the President's Committee on the Arts and the Humanities have announced their resignation. A letter dated Friday, and signed by 16 of 17 committee members, cited the "false equivalence" of President Donald Trump's comments about last weekend's "Unite the Right" gathering in Charlottesville, Virginia. Trump has blamed "many sides" for the demonstrations that left an anti-racism activist dead.

The White House said Trump had already decided against renewing the advisory committee for budgetary reasons.

"Ignoring your hateful rhetoric would have made us complicit in your words and actions," the letter reads. "Supremacy, discrimination, and vitriol are not American values. Your values are not American values. We must be better than this. We are better than this. If this is not clear to you, then we call on you to resign your office, too."

The only member whose name did not appear was Broadway director George C. Wolfe. Representatives for Wolfe at Creative Arts Agency said Friday that he was also resigning and that his name would be added to the letter, which seemed to contain a hidden political message beyond the ones stated openly. The first initials of the letter's six main paragraphs spell out "r-e-s-i-s-t."

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #946 on: August 19, 2017, 11:50:18 AM »
"Trumpís overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but heís still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didnít affect it....

"A strong majority (62 percent) of Americans favor leaving the Confederate statues standing as historical markers

"Overwhelming numbers of Republicans (86 percent) favor this, as do 61 percent of Independents....

"Hereís a stunner: 44 percent of African-Americans polled believe in keeping the statues standing. Of Latinos, 65 percent believe the statues should remain....

"The news media have been seriously distorting public reaction to Trumpís handling of Charlottesville. Whether this is a matter of only seeing what they want to see, or a matter of the talking heads being concentrated among coastal elites of both parties, is a matter of conjecture. True, a slight majority of Americans think Trump didnít go far enough, but judging from the coverage and commentary, you would have thought at Charlottesville, Trump met his Waterloo. It didnít happen. Charlottesville is not nearly a big a deal to Americans as it is to the media and coastal elites.

"Trumpís disapproval rating is very high, but Charlottesville didnít really move the needle. And heís kept his base.

"Continuing to attack Confederate statues is a big loser for Democrats and liberals. A strong majority of Americans favors keeping them standing....

"This is likely to cause them to seriously overreach. If Democrats and liberals only pay attention to the media and to each other on the statue debate, they are going to alienate a lot of people.....

"Trump remains an extremely divisive figure. For any Commander in Chief, the idea that six out of 10 Americans do not trust your leadership in an international crisis is potentially destabilizing."
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-is-more-in-touch-than-you-think/

My opinion of the mainstream media has reached a new low over the past week. They've tried so hard to create the misleading impression that Charlottesville has been catastrophic for Trump. They sure know how to cherry pick.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #947 on: August 19, 2017, 11:52:15 AM »
"Trumpís overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but heís still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didnít affect it....

The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #948 on: August 19, 2017, 12:08:51 PM »
"Trumpís overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but heís still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didnít affect it....

The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...

In their eyes (R-Nazi) is still better than any Democrat. That's how low the bar is.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #949 on: August 19, 2017, 08:33:31 PM »
"Trumpís overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but heís still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didnít affect it....

"A strong majority (62 percent) of Americans favor leaving the Confederate statues standing as historical markers

"Overwhelming numbers of Republicans (86 percent) favor this, as do 61 percent of Independents....

"Hereís a stunner: 44 percent of African-Americans polled believe in keeping the statues standing. Of Latinos, 65 percent believe the statues should remain....

"The news media have been seriously distorting public reaction to Trumpís handling of Charlottesville. Whether this is a matter of only seeing what they want to see, or a matter of the talking heads being concentrated among coastal elites of both parties, is a matter of conjecture. True, a slight majority of Americans think Trump didnít go far enough, but judging from the coverage and commentary, you would have thought at Charlottesville, Trump met his Waterloo. It didnít happen. Charlottesville is not nearly a big a deal to Americans as it is to the media and coastal elites.

"Trumpís disapproval rating is very high, but Charlottesville didnít really move the needle. And heís kept his base.

"Continuing to attack Confederate statues is a big loser for Democrats and liberals. A strong majority of Americans favors keeping them standing....

"This is likely to cause them to seriously overreach. If Democrats and liberals only pay attention to the media and to each other on the statue debate, they are going to alienate a lot of people.....

"Trump remains an extremely divisive figure. For any Commander in Chief, the idea that six out of 10 Americans do not trust your leadership in an international crisis is potentially destabilizing."
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-is-more-in-touch-than-you-think/

My opinion of the mainstream media has reached a new low over the past week. They've tried so hard to create the misleading impression that Charlottesville has been catastrophic for Trump. They sure know how to cherry pick.
His approval ratings sink to lowest point yet and the good news is...lots of people don't really care all that much about the Confederate statues???

The rest of those poll results are terrible for trumped, starting with the vast majority stating they believed his response wasn't strong enough and that the driver was a domestic terrorist. And man do they have it in for white supremacists like yourself.

Who did you say was cherry picking?




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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #950 on: August 19, 2017, 09:34:42 PM »
"Trumpís overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but heís still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didnít affect it....

The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...

In their eyes (R-Nazi) is still better than any Democrat. That's how low the bar is.

Automatically equating Nazis with Republicans is not going to help.  Before Trump, the Democratic Party was not very different from the Republican Party as a whole. The range of debate is narrow.

There's another factor to consider.  The Democratic Party does not have a clear message other than being against Trump and Republicans.  With exceptions here and there, the Democratic Party is still ideologically the same as it was during the last campaign, when Sanders support suggested a desire from something different from another Clinton/Bush.  They need to show they can help people who threw the Trump grenade in the last election. 

At this point, given the party system, the Democratic Party needs to be pushed in a different direction or people will need to rely on the Republicans to screw up in order for party power to change.

It says a lot about the Democratic Party that they lost the election against Trump and now can't even effectively oppose him. 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #951 on: August 19, 2017, 10:20:33 PM »
"Trumpís overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but heís still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didnít affect it....

The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...

In their eyes (R-Nazi) is still better than any Democrat. That's how low the bar is.

Automatically equating Nazis with Republicans is not going to help.  Before Trump, the Democratic Party was not very different from the Republican Party as a whole. The range of debate is narrow.

There's another factor to consider.  The Democratic Party does not have a clear message other than being against Trump and Republicans.  With exceptions here and there, the Democratic Party is still ideologically the same as it was during the last campaign, when Sanders support suggested a desire from something different from another Clinton/Bush.  They need to show they can help people who threw the Trump grenade in the last election. 

At this point, given the party system, the Democratic Party needs to be pushed in a different direction or people will need to rely on the Republicans to screw up in order for party power to change.

It says a lot about the Democratic Party that they lost the election against Trump and now can't even effectively oppose him.

I think my point was as Trump said during the campaign "I could go out and shoot someone and my supporters would still support me."

Trump defending white supremacy and neo-nazis and his die-hard supporters still fall in line behind him. The Republican leadership are afraid to challenge him out of fear for his twitter account. Now, there are some Republicans who have called him out and he has retaliated against them and will likely support a Primary challenger who is more Trump-like. So, do Americans (Republicans) back the sane candidate or the one backed by Trump and his white supremacy ideals and conflated ideas of Confederate historical culture?

And yeah, the Dems kinda suck but wouldn't you rather back the candidate whose master isn't singing praises of Neo-Nazi marches in America?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #952 on: August 19, 2017, 10:44:58 PM »
Pity the poor neo-nazi:

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Neo-Nazi Christopher Cantwell ó who was one of the ďUnite the RightĒ Charlottesville marchers interviewed by Vice.com ó released a weepy, rambling video of himself discussing the fact that a warrant was issued for his arrest.

ďI called the Charlottesville Police Department,Ē Cantwell said, ďand said, ĎI have been told thereís a warrant out for my arrest.í They said they wouldnít confirm it but that I could find this out I could go to a magistrate or whatever.Ē

ďWith everything thatís happening, I donít think itís very wise for me to go anywhere,Ē he continued. ďThereís a state of emergency, the National Guard is here!Ē

He kept breaking off to wipe away tears, saying, ďI donít know what to do. I need guidance.Ē

ďWe are trying to make this peaceful, we are trying to be law abiding,Ē he claimed, in spite of the fact that website the Daily Stormer called for Nazis to disrupt the funeral of Heather Heyer, 32, who was killed when a Nazi marcher plowed his car into a group of anti-racist protesters.

ďIím terrified,Ē he said to law enforcement officers in the clip. ďI think youíre going to kill me.Ē

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/im-terrified-neo-nazi-blubbers-like-a-baby-in-video-reporting-hes-wanted-for-arrest-in-charlottesville/

Scroll down to see video of the guy blubbering.

Cantwell in an earlier incarnation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vQ5h8iWa0Q

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #953 on: August 20, 2017, 05:38:33 AM »
Observations of a NY Times journalist who was there:

"A few wrap-it-up thoughts from Charlottesville: 1. Striking how many of the white nationalists were young people, almost entirely men.

"2. The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park

"3. Among my unanswered questions: police response. Why did things get out of hand so quickly? Could violence have been prevented?"
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19673/ny-times-reporter-admits-antifa-protesters-james-barrett
The hard left--interesting term. The antifa are basically anarchists with no political ideology other than to oppose fascism, which is the U.S. means the alt-right.

But let's be clear. The alt-right have declared war, literally, in defense of "white America." They (and you) (Are you a normie or a real comrade in arms?) can no longer hide on reddit and 4chan and the like.

More and more americans know what they (and you) are really up to and thus more and more Americans are actively opposing them (and you). dick spencer is pretty much in hiding except when he pops up for a speaking engagement, bodyguards in tow.

This is not a war you can win, even if Robert E. Lee comes back from the dead to lead you.
Can antifa (and you) really shut down free speech? That's not such an easy thing to accomplish in the age of the internet.
Hate speech is not free speech.
Just two months ago the US Supreme Court ruled unanimously that there is no hate speech exception.

"Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express 'the thought that we hate.' "
-Matal v. Tam

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.0ab3db88d2d6

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #955 on: August 20, 2017, 09:20:02 AM »


Gradually becoming an Alex Jones fan? That's sad.

http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,107137.msg711038.html#msg711038

I've only listened to Alex Jones occasionally over the past year.  A couple of years before that, I thought he was nuts.  Then, before that, I had never heard of him.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #956 on: August 20, 2017, 11:03:48 AM »
"Steve Bannon, the ousted White House chief strategist, is reportedly considering starting a television network which would allow him to 'go nuclear' as he settles vendettas with moderate advisers in the White House and pressures President Donald Trump to pursue a populist agenda of economic nationalism.

"Allies of Mr Bannon compared him to a 'tiger freed from his cage,' suggesting things would get 'ugly' as he targets the Republican establishment and what he calls 'West Wing Democrats'....

"Mr Bannon's possible TV network would be intended as a rival to Fox News, the Rupert Murdoch-owned channel which has been supportive of Mr Trump, but which Mr Bannon now regards as too moderate,  Axios reported....

"Mr Green said: 'Bannon sounded like he'd just consumed 40 Red Bulls. He's a tiger being let out of his cage. I think he'll still have Trump's ear. Bannon's great disappointment is that the White House hasn't been able to deliver on a lot of things they promised. In his view that is because people in the White House are inhibiting Trump. He wants to exert pressure from the outside and steer Trump back to the polices he ran on.' "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/19/steve-bannon-go-nuclear-west-wing-democrats-may-start-tv-network/

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #957 on: August 20, 2017, 01:54:14 PM »
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Meanwhile, a host of charities canceled annual fundraising events at Mr Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida. They included the American Red Cross, Salvation Army, and the American  Cancer Society.

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On the outside Mr Bannon will target a ring of presidential advisers sometimes known as the "globalists". It includes Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, chief economic adviser Gary Cohn, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, with whom Mr Bannon appeared to have lost a battle over putting more troops in Afghanistan.

While even the losers get lucky sometime, I think the audience for what Bannon has to say is shrinking rather than growing. Doxxing is a strong antidote.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #958 on: August 20, 2017, 01:56:55 PM »
"Trumpís overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but heís still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didnít affect it....

The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...

The idea that Trump defended Nazis is part of your hallucination. He condemned ALL groups.

Funny, when Trump says his comments about illegals and there being "murderers and rapists", everyone ignores his comment of "and some are good people". But in this case everyone picks up on his comment of "both sides do it".

Selective listening driven by confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #959 on: August 20, 2017, 02:06:40 PM »
"Trumpís overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but heís still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didnít affect it....

The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...

The idea that Trump defended Nazis is part of your hallucination. He condemned ALL groups.

Funny, when Trump says his comments about illegals and there being "murderers and rapists", everyone ignores his comment of "and some are good people". But in this case everyone picks up on his comment of "both sides do it".

Selective listening driven by confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

You must have missed his second free styling press conference then.

He said "some" are good people not "most". Or does think the majority of Mexicans are "murderers and rapists"?
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