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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #760 on: July 12, 2017, 04:32:39 PM »
There was clearly an attempt to 'collude' but since no breaking news of Clinton colluding with Russia came out (supposedly it was this bit of info that Trump Jr. was supposed to receive during this meet), I'm thinking the Junior got trolled.  As such, this meet in particular is unlikely to have any legal repercussions, given that Clinton got scot-free doing a lot more and succeeding at that.  That's my take on things, anyways.

Having said that, this incident happened during summer - so what knows what other meets could have taken place up until the voting day? 

At the end of the day, Trump promised to drain the swamp, do all kinds of changes, but we're not seeing any of that.  The change here is not dissimilar to the change promised by Obama.  Americans are being trolled by their politicians time and time again.

I do wonder how things will play out if Trump does get kicked out from the oval office -
Will they elect Sanders?  Sanders was another big talker - free education for all, annul student loans, etc, etc, etc.   

Until the Americans wake up and take their country back from the corporations - and start locking up big talkers who usually do the opposite of what they promised, US will continue to be the world's most dreadful joke.   


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« Reply #761 on: July 12, 2017, 06:49:31 PM »
The news about a Kushner-Qatar deal falling apart and then Trump taking it out on Qatar won't help matters.

Read the Chomsky interview, and as he knows, the issues he mentions are all ones those in the resistance have targeted and their protests/phone calls/e-mails are working.

But let's face it--the Russian thing keeps Trump and the repugnicans on the defensive and helps with quashing their agenda.

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« Reply #762 on: July 12, 2017, 10:25:28 PM »
The news about a Kushner-Qatar deal falling apart and then Trump taking it out on Qatar won't help matters.

Read the Chomsky interview, and as he knows, the issues he mentions are all ones those in the resistance have targeted and their protests/phone calls/e-mails are working.

But let's face it--the Russian thing keeps Trump and the repugnicans on the defensive and helps with quashing their agenda.

Noam "The 'slaughter' by the Khmer Rouge is a Moss-'New York Times' creation" Chomsky?

He's as bad as a holocaust denier. Which is... not very good.

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« Reply #763 on: July 12, 2017, 11:05:39 PM »
Noam "The 'slaughter' by the Khmer Rouge is a Moss-'New York Times' creation" Chomsky?

He's as bad as a holocaust denier. Which is... not very good.

아 레알? Luckily, we avoided any of his Khmer-Rouge denials in quoting him here.

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« Reply #765 on: July 13, 2017, 04:32:58 AM »
With the popularity of animation and children's movies for adults lately, perhaps it's only fitting to have a cartoon character as a president.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #766 on: July 13, 2017, 11:05:45 AM »
Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

Now, how about this story.  The “Russian” was allowed into the U.S. by the Obama Administration without a visa.  She had been turned down for a visa and then the U.S. DOJ gave her what is called  “special parole immigration” that according to the article is very rare.  Also, this special parole immigration was supposed to expire in January 2016; so, why was she still in the U.S. in June 2016 to meet with Jr.?

Read the whole article, as it brings up many new questions……  Set-up?  Conspiracy?  An Obama-Lynch-Russian connection/collusion?  The “deep state” and Russia working together????   Why was the DOJ so willing to bend over backwards for her -- she supposedly didn’t speak English but was critical to a legal case in a U.S. court? 

I honestly don’t know what to think about all of this, but I’m starting to believe that just about anything is now possible…  And, if Putin really put all this together and pulled all these strings, he should be considered one of the greatest international political strategists/masterminds of all time – to get the Obama administration to give her special immigration parole was brilliant….. – when we should be talking about health care, tax reform, immigration…….. Putin, along with some stupid Trump stuff, has us talking about this instead…..  Brilliant!

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Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team
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John Solomon and Jonathan Easley18 mins ago

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump-team/ar-BBEjvx0?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=LENDHP

The Russian lawyer who penetrated Donald Trump's inner circle was initially cleared into the United States by the Justice Department under "extraordinary circumstances" before she embarked on a lobbying campaign last year that ensnared the president's eldest son, members of Congress, journalists and State Department officials, according to court and Justice Department documents and interviews.

This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.

The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya's permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

"In October the government bypassed the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary permission to enter the country called immigration parole," Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni explained to the judge during a hearing Jan. 6, 2016.

"That's a discretionary act that the statute allows the Attorney General to do in extraordinary circumstances. In this case, we did that so that Mr. Katsyv could testify. And we made the further accommodation of allowing his Russian lawyer into the country to assist," he added.

The prosecutor said Justice was willing to allow the Russian lawyer to enter the United States again as the trial in the case approached so she could help prepare and attend the proceedings.

The court record indicates the presiding judge asked the Justice Department to extend Veselnitskaya's immigration parole another week until he decided motions in the case. There are no other records in the court file indicating what happened with that request or how Veselnitskaya appeared in the country later that spring.

The U.S. Attorney's office in New York confirmed Wednesday to The Hill that it let Veselnitskaya into the country on a grant of immigration parole from October 2015 to early January 2016.

Justice Department and State Department officials could not immediately explain how the Russian lawyer was still in the country in June for the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and the events in Washington D.C.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has demanded the U.S. government provide him all records on how Veselnitskaya entered and traveled in the U.S., a request that could shed additional light on her activities.

Interviews with a half dozen Americans who came in contact with Veselnitskaya or monitored her U.S. activities in 2016 make clear that one of her primary goals was to see if the Congress and/or other political leaders would be interested in repealing the 2012 Magnitsky Act punishing Russia or at least ensure the Magnitsky name would not be used on a new law working its way through Congress in 2016 to punish human rights violators across the globe.

"There's zero doubt that she and her U.S. colleagues were lobbying to repeal Magnitsky or at least ensure his name was removed from the global law Congress was considering," said U.S. businessman William Browder, who was the main proponent for the Magnitsky Act and who filed a FARA complaint against Veselnitskaya, Dellums and other U.S. officials claiming they should have registered as foreign agent lobbyists because of the work.

The 2012 law punished Russia for the prison death of Moscow lawyer/accountant Sergei Magnitsky, who U.S. authorities allege uncovered a massive $230 million money laundering scheme involving Russian government official that hurt U.S. companies.
Magnitsky became a cause celeb in the United States after his mysterious death in a Russian prison, but Russian officials have disputed his version of events and in 2011 posthumously convicted him of fraud in Russia.

It is that alternate theory of the Magnitsky fraud cause that Veselnitskaya and her U.S. allies tried to get into the hands of American officials, including Rohrabacher, the Trump team and other leaders.

Browder's complaint, which alleges that Washington lobbyists working with Veselnitskaya failed to register as foreign agents, is still pending at the Justice Department. It identified several events in Washington that Veselnitskaya and her allies attended or staged in June 2016.

All of them occurred in the days immediately after the Russian lawyer used a music promoter friend to get an audience June 9 with Trump's eldest son promising dirt on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton and instead using the meeting to talk about Magnitsky and the adoption issue, according to Trump Jr. and Veselnitskaya.

On June 13, Veselnitskaya attended the screening of an anti-Magnitsky movie at the Newseum, which drew a handful of congressional staffers and State Department officials, according to Browder's complaint.

The next day, she appeared in the front row of a hearing chaired by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce (R-Calif.), sitting right behind a former U.S. ambassador who testified on the future of U.S-Russia policy.

"Natalia didn't speak a word of English," said one source. "Don't let anyone tell you this was a sophisticated lobbying effort. It was the least professional campaign I've ever seen. If she's the cream of the Moscow intelligence community then we have nothing to worry about."

           

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« Reply #767 on: July 13, 2017, 11:39:40 AM »
Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

Now, how about this story.  The “Russian” was allowed into the U.S. by the Obama Administration

HE'S THE PRESIDENT'S SON. You really think this will all go away if you "fire" Junior? We tried to warn you people that it was a bad idea to vote for an idiotic corrupt loudmouth from Queens with an entire stable of corrupt loudmouth relatives ready to siphon up taxpayer dollars, but all we got from you was "but her emails."

And seriously, you think you can blame this on Obama for not keeping the bad Russian woman away? You Trumpslumpers are so desperate to avoid the fact that you are 100% culpable for an internet troll joke presidency that is destroying the US. And you actually like Trump making the US weaker and crappier because you think it will annoy liberals.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #768 on: July 13, 2017, 11:56:05 AM »
Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

I don't believe Junior holds any position within Trump's administration, only in His private business. Now if Senior wanted to go ahead and take *that* away from Donny & Eric and throw it into a blind trust, I wouldn't be opposed to that...

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« Reply #769 on: July 13, 2017, 11:58:34 AM »
Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.
Perhaps if you consider the context and time frame in which these events took place, it will become clear to you that there is a lot of information yet to be disclosed that will demonstrate that Trump was aware of what was going on.

Consider the timeline.

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June 3, 10:36 a.m.

Goldstone emails Donald Trump Jr.:

Good morning

Emin [Agalarov] just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and it’s government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

“Rhona” is Rhona Graff, Donald Trump’s assistant.

[Who’s who in the stunning Russia-conspiracy emails released by Donald Trump Jr.]

10:53 a.m.

Trump Jr. replies to Goldstone:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

June 6, 12:40 p.m.

Goldstone to Trump Jr.:

Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info – you had mentioned early this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day Best to you and family

3:03 p.m.

Trump Jr. asks Goldstone over email if he can speak with Agalarov at that moment. In a later email, he asks Goldstone to have Agalarov call his cell phone.

3:43 p.m.

Goldstone emails Trump Jr. to tell him that Agalarov is on-stage at the moment but that he can have him call in 20 minutes.


4:38 p.m.


Trump Jr. thanks Goldstone for his help. It’s not clear from this email if the two spoke.

June 7, 4:20 p.m.


Goldstone emails Trump Jr.:

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

I believe you are aware of the meeting – and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?

It’s still not clear, but this email may suggest that Trump Jr. and Agalarov spoke.

5:16 p.m.


Trump Jr. suggests a meeting at 3 p.m. This is later changed to 4 p.m.

June 7, evening


Trump wins the primaries in California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico and South Dakota, giving him the delegates to officially clinch the Republican nomination.

During his victory speech that night, Trump promises more dirt on Clinton.
Forward to 7min mark of speech

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/11/what-happened-and-when-the-timeline-leading-up-to-donald-trump-jr-s-fateful-meeting/?utm_term=.f7ef7c8f585d
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« Reply #770 on: July 13, 2017, 12:03:45 PM »
You Trumpslumpers are so desperate to avoid the fact that you are 100% culpable for an internet troll joke presidency that is destroying the US.

If Trumpslumpers are 100% culpable that means the Russians are about 0% culpable. Let's investigate that 0% till 2024.
 

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« Reply #771 on: July 13, 2017, 12:10:22 PM »
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

As far as I can tell, if someone informed Trump Jr. that they had incriminating information concerning HRC and he investigated it, that pretty much puts him in the clear.

I think our laws give broad protection to people who are investigating potential criminal behavior, even if they come from foreign governments.

Do you think if China had potentially incriminating information about Trump and Bill/Chelsea met with someone to see what they had, that that would be collusion? No, and it isn't.

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« Reply #772 on: July 13, 2017, 12:28:47 PM »
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

As far as I can tell, if someone informed Trump Jr. that they had incriminating information concerning HRC and he investigated it, that pretty much puts him in the clear.

I think our laws give broad protection to people who are investigating potential criminal behavior, even if they come from foreign governments.

Do you think if China had potentially incriminating information about Trump and Bill/Chelsea met with someone to see what they had, that that would be collusion? No, and it isn't.

Okay so we agree. You think Trump knew about the correspondence too!

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« Reply #773 on: July 13, 2017, 12:30:12 PM »
The big story with "her e-mails" just became the big story about "his e-mails" [Little Donny Jr.].

Covfefe!

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« Reply #774 on: July 13, 2017, 12:59:48 PM »
The big story with "her e-mails" just became the big story about "his e-mails" [Little Donny Jr.].

Covfefe!

Agreed '"her emails" were the nothing burger but "Jr's emails" were packed full of prime beef!
What's more, despite the fact that the Donald apparently doesn't do email, his speech June 7th indicates pretty clearly that he hoped something was in the pipeline which one would reasonably deduce was related to Jr's earlier correspondence.

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« Reply #775 on: July 13, 2017, 05:32:06 PM »
Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

Now, how about this story.  The “Russian” was allowed into the U.S. by the Obama Administration

HE'S THE PRESIDENT'S SON. You really think this will all go away if you "fire" Junior? We tried to warn you people that it was a bad idea to vote for an idiotic corrupt loudmouth from Queens with an entire stable of corrupt loudmouth relatives ready to siphon up taxpayer dollars, but all we got from you was "but her emails."

And seriously, you think you can blame this on Obama for not keeping the bad Russian woman away? You Trumpslumpers are so desperate to avoid the fact that you are 100% culpable for an internet troll joke presidency that is destroying the US. And you actually like Trump making the US weaker and crappier because you think it will annoy liberals.

Maybe you could enlighten us about the following: 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act

The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) is a United States law passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the interests of foreign powers in a "political or quasi-political capacity" disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information about related activities and finances. The purpose is to facilitate "evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons." The law is administered by the FARA Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) of the United States Department of Justice

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump-team/ar-BBEjvx0?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=LENDHP

The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

The U.S. Attorney's office in New York confirmed Wednesday to The Hill that it let Veselnitskaya into the country on a grant of immigration parole from October 2015 to early January 2016.

Justice Department and State Department officials could not immediately explain how the Russian lawyer was still in the country in June for the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and the events in Washington D.C.

Interviews with a half dozen Americans who came in contact with Veselnitskaya or monitored her U.S. activities in 2016 make clear that one of her primary goals was to see if the Congress and/or other political leaders would be interested in repealing the 2012 Magnitsky Act punishing Russia or at least ensure the Magnitsky name would not be used on a new law working its way through Congress in 2016 to punish human rights violators across the globe.

"There's zero doubt that she and her U.S. colleagues were lobbying to repeal Magnitsky or at least ensure his name was removed from the global law Congress was considering," said U.S. businessman William Browder, who was the main proponent for the Magnitsky Act and who filed a FARA complaint against Veselnitskaya, Dellums and other U.S. officials claiming they should have registered as foreign agent lobbyists because of the work.

It identified several events in Washington that Veselnitskaya and her allies attended or staged in June 2016.

All of them occurred in the days immediately after the Russian lawyer used a music promoter friend to get an audience June 9 with Trump's eldest son promising dirt on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton and instead using the meeting to talk about Magnitsky and the adoption issue, according to Trump Jr. and Veselnitskaya.

On June 13, Veselnitskaya attended the screening of an anti-Magnitsky movie at the Newseum, which drew a handful of congressional staffers and State Department officials, according to Browder's complaint.

The next day, she appeared in the front row of a hearing chaired by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce (R-Calif.), sitting right behind a former U.S. ambassador who testified on the future of U.S-Russia policy.
                         

Apparently, it is acceptable to speculate, fabricate (CNN), fantasize about Trump and the Russians while conveniently forgetting that all of this happened on Obama’s watch.  Maybe because I’m an old Navy man, but the Captain is responsible for what happens on his watch.  The Obama administration admits that they were concerned about the “Russians” during this time and were actively surveilling them, so why didn’t they do something besides closing down a couple of houses and kicking some people out of the U.S.? 

Veselnitskaya was granted this rare permission to enter with the limited purpose of providing legal help to a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, and her stay was limited to October 2015 through January 2016. 

She met with Jr. in June 2016.  She actively lobbied and held lobbying events.  If she was acting on behalf of the Russian government then she violated FARA by not registering as a foreign agent.  She was lobbying and attending congressional hearings in Washington in June 2016.

How did the Trump Obama DOJ miss all this?  She was “Russian;” she was first denied a visa; she had to get a rare approval to enter the U.S.; she was supposed to leave the U.S. in January 2016; and she was actively roaming around Washington DC and New York City….  The government/”deep state” got Flynn, but missed all of this?

Finally, why can’t I ask questions/speculate about what the President of the United States was doing regarding the Russians when all this was happening; as apparently the “Russians” are now the most critical issue confronting the United States. 
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« Reply #776 on: July 13, 2017, 05:40:03 PM »
Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.
Perhaps if you consider the context and time frame in which these events took place, it will become clear to you that there is a lot of information yet to be disclosed that will demonstrate that Trump was aware of what was going on.

Consider the timeline.

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June 3, 10:36 a.m.

Goldstone emails Donald Trump Jr.:

Good morning

Emin [Agalarov] just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and it’s government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

“Rhona” is Rhona Graff, Donald Trump’s assistant.

[Who’s who in the stunning Russia-conspiracy emails released by Donald Trump Jr.]

10:53 a.m.

Trump Jr. replies to Goldstone:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

June 6, 12:40 p.m.

Goldstone to Trump Jr.:

Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info – you had mentioned early this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day Best to you and family

3:03 p.m.

Trump Jr. asks Goldstone over email if he can speak with Agalarov at that moment. In a later email, he asks Goldstone to have Agalarov call his cell phone.

3:43 p.m.

Goldstone emails Trump Jr. to tell him that Agalarov is on-stage at the moment but that he can have him call in 20 minutes.


4:38 p.m.


Trump Jr. thanks Goldstone for his help. It’s not clear from this email if the two spoke.

June 7, 4:20 p.m.


Goldstone emails Trump Jr.:

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

I believe you are aware of the meeting – and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?

It’s still not clear, but this email may suggest that Trump Jr. and Agalarov spoke.

5:16 p.m.


Trump Jr. suggests a meeting at 3 p.m. This is later changed to 4 p.m.

June 7, evening


Trump wins the primaries in California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico and South Dakota, giving him the delegates to officially clinch the Republican nomination.

During his victory speech that night, Trump promises more dirt on Clinton.
Forward to 7min mark of speech

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/11/what-happened-and-when-the-timeline-leading-up-to-donald-trump-jr-s-fateful-meeting/?utm_term=.f7ef7c8f585d

If it is alright to speculate that Trump had to know, then it must also be acceptable to speculate that maybe Jr. could have simply told Trump that he may/will soon have something “good” to use against Hillary….  Not unusual for a son to want to surprise/impress his dad.

And, even if Jr. had gotten something “good” to use against Clinton, it would have been perfectly legal for them to make the information public.  They would be protected by the same laws that protect the NYT, Washington Post, CNN….. when they publish information they received from people who illegally obtained it, such as information from Snowden, Manning, WikiLeaks, Ellsberg …… 

If you are just the receiver of the information, and not actually involved in illegally obtaining such information, you can make it public. 

He was stupid, too eager and naïve but he did not do anything illegal.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/media/341703-dershowitz-slams-new-york-times-op-ed-for-broaching-trump-jr-treason-charge

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/11/dershowitz-did-donald-trump-jr-commit-crime-or-merely-political-sin-it-depends.html

Obviously if anyone conspired in advance with another to commit a crime – such as hacking the DNC – that would be criminal. But merely seeking to obtain the work product of a prior hack would be no more criminal than a newspaper publishing the work product of thefts such as the Pentagon Papers and the material stolen by Snowden and Manning.   Moreover, the emails sent to Trump Jr. say that the dirt peddled by Veselnitskaya came from “official documents.”  No mention is made of hacking or other illegal activities. So it is unlikely that attendance at the meeting violated any criminal statute…

"There’s really no difference on the First Amendment between a campaigner using information obtained from somebody who obtained it illegally and the newspaper doing it," said Dershowitz..

"It is also not prohibited by law," Dershowitz continued. "There has been so much overwrought claim. People are talking about treason. I can't believe The New York Times had an op-ed yesterday in which treason was mentioned."
               
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #777 on: July 13, 2017, 05:49:37 PM »
The big story with "her e-mails" just became the big story about "his e-mails" [Little Donny Jr.].

Covfefe!

Agreed '"her emails" were the nothing burger but "Jr's emails" were packed full of prime beef!
What's more, despite the fact that the Donald apparently doesn't do email, his speech June 7th indicates pretty clearly that he hoped something was in the pipeline which one would reasonably deduce was related to Jr's earlier correspondence.

Things might be different if the FBI had actually investigated and the media had actually covered the Clinton email story.  Do you remember reading about when the FBI asked for her phones and the FBI received phones without SIM or SD cards, or that 13 phones could not be found or that phones had been beaten with hammers.  But, I guess that only means Clinton had nothing to hide….. 

If Jr. were to do the same things, many of you and much of the media would be screaming for him to be keelhauled……

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/294465-cnn-anchor-stunned-that-clinton-aides-destroyed-phones-with

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/cnn-fact-check-confirms-clinton-aides-destroyed-mobile-devices-hammers/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/fbi-document-dump-reveals-secrets-clinton-probe-as-new-director-nominee-faces-senate.html
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/Hillary%20R.%20Clinton%20Part%2011%20of%2011/view

Watch CNN anchor's disbelief that Clinton aides destroyed phones with hammer

CNN confirmed live on air Friday that a Hillary Clinton aide destroyed some of the former secretary of state’s used mobile devices with hammers, affirming information contained in the FBI’s investigation of Clinton’s private email server.

CNN anchor Brooke Baldwin was in disbelief when she learned that Hillary Clintons aides destroyed her phones with a hammer.

When Boris Epshteyn, an adviser to Donald Trump told her on air that the Democratic nominee’s aides destroyed her BlackBerries with hammers, Baldwin interrupted him to ask a reporter to fact-check that statement.

Evan, hold on, can you fact-check?” Baldwin asked reporter Evan Perez on “CNN Newsroom” on Friday. “Evan Perez? Hammers? Fact-check that for me, on the fly.”

“Yes they did, Brooke.” Perez responded. “As he mentioned, there were 13 mobile devices and 5 iPads that the FBI said that in some way were used with her private email server, and they did in some cases just destroy them with hammers when they were done using them.”

FBI document dump reveals secrets of Clinton probe as new director nominee faces Senate
By Pamela K. Browne Published July 11, 2017

One redacted exchange reveals a back and forth subpoena response to the FBI from one of Mrs. Clinton's private attorneys, Katherine Turner, a partner at Washington DC powerhouse firm Williams & Connolly. In the document, Turner agreed to turn over one of Mrs. Clinton's non-secure Apple iPads and two of her BlackBerrys to the FBI.  But neither smartphone received from the law firm contain SIM cards or Secure Digital (SD) cards, and a total of 13 mobile devices identified by the FBI as potentially using clintonemail.com email addresses were never located by Williams & Connelly.


               

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« Reply #778 on: July 13, 2017, 07:34:22 PM »

As far as I can tell, if someone informed Trump Jr. that they had incriminating information concerning HRC and he investigated it, that pretty much puts him in the clear.

I think our laws give broad protection to people who are investigating potential criminal behavior, even if they come from foreign governments.

Do you think if China had potentially incriminating information about Trump and Bill/Chelsea met with someone to see what they had, that that would be collusion? No, and it isn't.

Agreed.  You want collusion?  How about Clinton getting debate questions from CNN ahead of the debate?  Or her campaign officials orchestrating violence at Sanders' rallies? 

If Trump Jr. faces any legal repercussions, then Clinton should be looking at twice as much time behind bars, but she clearly isn't.  As such, I don't think junior has anything to worry about.  Like I said earlier though, this incident happened fairly early in the elections campaign - so the question is what else might have transpired later that summer.  For now, we're starting to see real signs of smoke - is there a fire? We'll see what else they manage to dig up. 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #779 on: July 13, 2017, 08:31:16 PM »

Apparently, it is acceptable to speculate, fabricate (CNN), fantasize about Trump and the Russians while conveniently forgetting that all of this happened on Obama’s watch.  Maybe because I’m an old Navy man, but the Captain is responsible for what happens on his watch.  The Obama administration admits that they were concerned about the “Russians” during this time and were actively surveilling them, so why didn’t they do something besides closing down a couple of houses and kicking some people out of the U.S.? 

Veselnitskaya was granted this rare permission to enter with the limited purpose of providing legal help to a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, and her stay was limited to October 2015 through January 2016. 

She met with Jr. in June 2016.  She actively lobbied and held lobbying events.  If she was acting on behalf of the Russian government then she violated FARA by not registering as a foreign agent.  She was lobbying and attending congressional hearings in Washington in June 2016.

How did the Trump Obama DOJ miss all this?  She was “Russian;” she was first denied a visa; she had to get a rare approval to enter the U.S.; she was supposed to leave the U.S. in January 2016; and she was actively roaming around Washington DC and New York City….  The government/”deep state” got Flynn, but missed all of this?

Finally, why can’t I ask questions/speculate about what the President of the United States was doing regarding the Russians when all this was happening; as apparently the “Russians” are now the most critical issue confronting the United States.

Oh god you literally think Obama is to blame for this. This is like someone blaming the police for not stopping them from soliciting a hooker. This is just ****ing hilarious and sad at the same time.