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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #740 on: June 28, 2017, 02:19:12 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuFH2Aui14g

Some people should watch a few of these Ben Shapiro vids and learn.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #741 on: June 28, 2017, 10:37:31 PM »
I am disappointed to say this, but I agree with the basic concept of this article.  Although I would have changed the headline to something like: If Trump signs this health care bill it means that Trumpism isn’t populism.

As I have previously said, part of Trump’s winning coalition was created by him talking a populist message; especially regarding health care.  Trump should be the one leading on this issue, and not a Republican congress.  Whether controlled by Republicans or Democrats, congress is basically worthless.  Congress will always put their individual interest ahead of what is good for the country.  A president needs to lead and tell congress what he wants.

One of the issues I had with Obama was that he did not try and lead congress and fight for what he wanted.  He liked to sit back and say that since the Republicans controlled congress it wasn’t worth the fight.  IMHO, presidents should not shy away from a good fight with congress. But, I digress.

If Trump lets the Republican congress be the main force behind the health care bill, tax reform and immigration reform, Trump will look just like a typical Washington DC politician because congress will give him typical Washington DC garbage legislation - GIGO.

Many of us supported Trump because we wanted to shake up DC, and the health care bill is a great way to do this.  In his campaign Trump promised many blue collar workers –and others -- that they would have affordable health care.  Therefore, Trump should change course and submit a new health care bill that has a plan for basically allowing people to obtain very affordable health care either through a Medicare and/or Medicaid option.  I talked about this in my previous post.

Yes, there will be Republicans that will oppose this, especially the so called “Freedom” caucus, but who really cares about them.  They certainly do not care about Trump.  Based on the past 6 years or so they have clearly demonstrated that all they really care about is their own reelection.

Now, for the interesting part.  Many Democrats have been very vocal about adopting a health care plan that provides an affordable Medicare and/or Medicaid option for anyone who needs it. So, if Trump proposes such a plan do the Democrats support it, and break with the very powerful anti-Trump section of the Democratic Party, or do they follow their beliefs and support it?  IMHO, if they opposed it such action will clearly state that all they want to do is oppose Trump.

Please remember that this is exactly the kind of political situation that many of us who supported Trump wanted to see.  We wanted to see the standard Republicans only support Republicans and/or the Democrats only support Democrats political gridlock challenged: to create political situations just like the one that would occur with a Trump supported populist health care bill.  Again, Trump needs to lead on this issue or he will lose.

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The Senate health care bill is proof: Trumpism isn’t populism
By Matt O'Brien By Matt O'Brien
June 28 at 7:00 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/28/the-senate-health-care-bill-is-proof-trumpism-isnt-populism/?utm_term=.63f3c74aabc1#comments

The Senate's health-care bill might be too much for even Marie Antoinette.
After all, about the only way it could be more regressive is if it took the cake a certain French queen wanted the poor to eat for dinner and gave it to the rich for dessert. Or, say, cut Medicaid and middle-class health insurance subsidies so much that 22 million fewer people have health insurance -- all so that the government could afford to cut the capital gains tax for households making $250,000 or more.

Oh, wait. That last one is actually what the Senate bill would do.......

....Now, there are three ways to think about the Senate bill. The first is that it would take health-care from the poor and middle-class to pay for tax cuts for the rich at a time of already historic inequality. The second is that it would make insurance more expensive for everyone and less useful for anyone who is sick. And the third is that it would hurt President Trump's working-class base the most. Other than that, how were the tax cuts, Mrs. Lincoln?...

....the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that the Senate bill would increase the cost of a "silver" plan that covers 70 percent of expected medical costs by an average of 74 percent over the next three years—and more for the type of older, poorer people who overwhelmingly went for Trump.


Although it's actually even worse than that. A 64 year-old making $26,500 would, according to the Congressional Budget Office, see their premiums for a silver plan go from $1,700 under Obamacare to $6,500 under the Senate bill—but it'd be for a silver plan that covered 17 percent fewer of their expected medical expenses. So they'd be paying more to get less. How much more? Well, the Kaiser Family Foundation calculates that, in the case of our hypothetical 64 year-old, their deductible would go from $809 to $6,105.....
 
Let them pay a third of their income in deductibles is the new let them cake.




         


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #742 on: June 29, 2017, 06:23:13 AM »


Time magazine has asked the Trump Organisation to remove a framed front cover featuring Donald Trump from several of its golf clubs after it was proven to be fake.

The cover, showing a presidential Mr Trump with his arms folded and steely-eyed, was framed and hung on the walls of at least four Trump courses in the US, Ireland and Scotland.

Dated March 1, 2009, the cover reads “Donald Trump: The ‘Apprentice’ is a television smash!”, with another headline stating: “TRUMP IS HITTING ON ALL FRONTS . . . EVEN TV!”

However, the Washington Post established that there was no March 1, 2009, issue of Time Magazine and Mr Trump did not feature on the cover at any time in 2009.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/28/time-magazine-asks-trump-organization-remove-fake-donald-trump/

Mr Trump was criticised for a speech in January at the solemn setting of the CIA memorial wall, in which he lambasted the media and boasted that he held the record for the number of Time magazine covers.

"So a reporter for Time magazine - and I have been on their cover, like, 14 or 15 times," Mr Trump said.

"I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time Magazine. Like, if Tom Brady is on the cover, it’s one time, because he won the Super Bowl or something, right?  I’ve been on it for 15 times this year. I don’t think that’s a record, Mike, that can ever be broken. Do you agree with that?  What do you think?"

Time later clarified that the president had been on 11 covers in total at the time, while Richard Nixon had graced it on 55 occasions.

There was no response from the Trump Organization to the use of the fake Time cover.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #743 on: June 29, 2017, 07:13:45 AM »
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....the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that the Senate bill would increase the cost of a "silver" plan that covers 70 percent of expected medical costs by an average of 74 percent over the next three years—and more for the type of older, poorer people who overwhelmingly went for Trump.

Although it's actually even worse than that. A 64 year-old making $26,500 would, according to the Congressional Budget Office, see their premiums for a silver plan go from $1,700 under Obamacare to $6,500 under the Senate bill—but it'd be for a silver plan that covered 17 percent fewer of their expected medical expenses. So they'd be paying more to get less. How much more? Well, the Kaiser Family Foundation calculates that, in the case of our hypothetical 64 year-old, their deductible would go from $809 to $6,105.....

Who does this actually benefit?  Because it is obviously not the people. 

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“Sunday, that which the ancients call Kellyanne Conway emerged from her chamber of secrets to weigh in on the bill’s cuts to Medicaid,” Colbert continued, addressing Conway’s patently false claim that the bill, which cuts more than $800bn from the program, merely returns it to pre-Obamacare levels and will not affect its recipients.

“It’s like an arsonist saying: ‘I didn’t burn the house down, I just took the ground back to pre-house levels,” Colbert joked.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/jun/28/late-night-tv-trump-for-profit-prisons

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #744 on: June 30, 2017, 10:21:08 AM »
Instead of starting new threads I’m going to use this one for things/comments that involve Trump. 

Instead of wasting his time and lowering his presidency – presidents should never punch down --- on Twitter attacking MSNBC, if Trump really feels the need to tweet he should come out and support this amendment.  See the link below. 

This is a good example of how parties should work together.  The decision to go to war is gravely important and one of the main responsibilities/duties delegated by the Constitution to the federal government.   Regarding this amendment:

•   It aligns with many things Trump said during his campaign.
•   It is the constitutional way of deciding about and/or conducting war.
•   It is time for the U.S. to have a real debate about a war that we have been involved in since 2001.  And, I mean a real debate: not like the Iraq war debate – should they be called freedom fries or French fries……

While the media is wasting its time pushing and/or fabricating stories about the “Russians,” there is serious talk in the Trump administration about increasing U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan.  Why doesn’t the media cover/push this story?  IMHO, if we had followed through and not gotten sidetracked into Iraq, we could have basically been out of Afghanistan by 2004/05 at the latest.

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House panel votes to force new debate on terror war

The move to rescind the post-9/11 military authorization was a rare victory for Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee, a long-time war critic.

By Bryan Bender and Jennifer Scholtes
06/29/2017 12:48 PM EDT
Updated 06/29/2017 08:24 PM EDT

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/29/congress-vote-authorize-war-islamic-state-240095

Congress may finally be getting fed up with war on autopilot.

A powerful House committee voted unexpectedly Thursday to require Congress to debate and approve U.S. military action in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and other far-flung countries — in a surprise victory for a longtime Democratic critic of the nearly two-decade-old war on terrorism.

The amendment from Rep. Barbara Lee of California — one of countless she has offered in recent years — is only a modest first step in getting Congress to update the authorization of military force that lawmakers adopted after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. But Thursday's voice vote in the GOP-controlled Appropriations Committee is a symbolic move forward.

Even Republicans with military experience embraced Lee's defense spending bill amendment, which would repeal the 2001 authorization............

                                       
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #748 on: July 06, 2017, 07:30:50 AM »
Yet another Project Veritas video came out showing CNN has nothing except extreme hate. Trump will be in 8 more years, and if you get past all these false flags, you can see all the good he's doing and done. Tens of thousands of pedophiles have been apprehended already, jobs are flooding back to America, nations are being empowered to handle their own problems.

Even if Obama is still pretending to be president, meeting with Moon Jae In, I acknowledge he did some really good things as president as well. America needs to focus on unity at this point, or at least not looking for excuses to circumvent the political process.

 If you don't like it, vote again in 3 years. But in the mean time, don't look for every opportunity to get in his way.  Trump sure isn't perfect, but find me a president who was, and I will gladly retract my statement.

I'm actually very shocked this can even be talked about on Waygook. They say they don't allow religious talk because it's inflammatory, but this thread seems much more so, but *crickets.*
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #749 on: July 06, 2017, 07:41:52 AM »

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #750 on: July 06, 2017, 09:35:07 AM »
If you don't like it, vote again in 3 years. But in the mean time, don't look for every opportunity to get in his way.  Trump sure isn't perfect, but find me a president who was, and I will gladly retract my statement.

I'm actually very shocked this can even be talked about on Waygook. They say they don't allow religious talk because it's inflammatory, but this thread seems much more so, but *crickets.*

Again like Kengreen, I'm surprised people can even think this.  Where are you getting this rubbish from?  He's getting things done?  If he concentrated on 'not starting wars overseas' then why did he take a 100 billion dollar arms deal with the repulsive Saudis?  His sabre rattling with his 'twin' in North Korea?  None of these sound like he is avoiding conflict.  His medical bill will leave millions uninsured that are currently insured.  His withdrawal from the Paris agreement shows that he only has ears with fossil fuel billionaires, who tell him what to do.  These are only a few things he 'getting done'.  'Make America Great Again' is almost as stupid as the 'American Dream' line.  WHy the eff do people keep falling for it??

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #751 on: July 06, 2017, 09:46:41 AM »
Yet another Project Veritas video came out showing CNN has nothing except extreme hate. Trump will be in 8 more years, and if you get past all these false flags, you can see all the good he's doing and done. Tens of thousands of pedophiles have been apprehended already, jobs are flooding back to America, nations are being empowered to handle their own problems.

Even if Obama is still pretending to be president, meeting with Moon Jae In, I acknowledge he did some really good things as president as well. America needs to focus on unity at this point, or at least not looking for excuses to circumvent the political process.

 If you don't like it, vote again in 3 years. But in the mean time, don't look for every opportunity to get in his way.  Trump sure isn't perfect, but find me a president who was, and I will gladly retract my statement.

I'm actually very shocked this can even be talked about on Waygook. They say they don't allow religious talk because it's inflammatory, but this thread seems much more so, but *crickets.*

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #753 on: July 12, 2017, 07:10:57 AM »
Well I never, looks like Donald Trump isn't the most stupid Donald Trump.

As someone wrote in a comment section 'the shit doesn't fall far from the ass'

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #754 on: July 12, 2017, 07:22:35 AM »
Watching SNL you'd've thought Eric was the stupid one. Seems Ivanka is our only hope. (Is it too early for Barron to live up to his name?)

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #755 on: July 12, 2017, 09:54:17 AM »
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #756 on: July 12, 2017, 10:18:14 AM »
"I love it!"

It's amazing isn't it?  Donald Trump Jr, before the election, meets with a Russian to discuss dishing the dirt and helping Trump Sr in getting elected.  Trump Sr denies any meetings with the Russians.  Trump Sr wins the election.  What part of this doesn't smell of shit?

The only way Junior would have made it worse would be if he said:

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #758 on: July 12, 2017, 01:17:25 PM »
Can some of the avid Donald J. Trump supporters on here please explain the recent revelations today? Ya know, cause the president himself hasn't been seen in 2 days and hasn't made any twitter comment on it.

Trump supports, how does the son, son in law, and campaign manager (at the time) of DJT meet with a Russian lawyer over supposed incriminating evidence towards HRC and it NOT EQUAL collusion with a foreign adversary in order to win the presidency? PLEASE PLEASE help me understand your thought process on this.

And THANK GOD Don Jr released his emails before the NYT released them because you all would have said it was fake news.

DJT wanted to win the presidency at all costs including getting in bed with the god damn kleptocracy  government that is Russia.  The same government that silences journalists, political adversaries, and anyone who opposes Putin.

I miss the old Republicans. The ones who distrusted the Russians and chose country over party loyalty. Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #759 on: July 12, 2017, 01:23:00 PM »
Can some of the avid Donald J. Trump supporters on here please explain the recent revelations today? Ya know, cause the president himself hasn't been seen in 2 days and hasn't made any twitter comment on it.

Trump supports, how does the son, son in law, and campaign manager (at the time) of DJT meet with a Russian lawyer over supposed incriminating evidence towards HRC and it NOT EQUAL collusion with a foreign adversary in order to win the presidency? PLEASE PLEASE help me understand your thought process on this.

And THANK GOD Don Jr released his emails before the NYT released them because you all would have said it was fake news.

DJT wanted to win the presidency at all costs including getting in bed with the god damn kleptocracy  government that is Russia.  The same government that silences journalists, political adversaries, and anyone who opposes Putin.

I miss the old Republicans. The ones who distrusted the Russians and chose country over party loyalty. Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

Is it really too late to yell 'fake news'?

And is this 'big'? I really can't tell anymore. The Trump Effect is having its desired numbing effect. Or is it the Russia Effect...? God, just get this guy out of office quick.

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