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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #620 on: May 22, 2017, 11:28:34 AM »
I really don't want to talk about Russia or anything, but just want to ask if anyone is following this stuff in Saudi Arabia like the sword dance and the glowing orb

It's incredibly funny, even though probably 95% of people in the room deserve to get strafed with their own fighter planes

Let's not forget that President Trump linked the Saudi's to 9/11 during his campaign but now he's happy to sell them billions of dollars of arms and call it a victory.

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« Reply #621 on: May 22, 2017, 11:58:36 AM »
Why does that matter to Trump?

It matters to Trump because this investigation dragging on is hurting his ability to get stuff done.

Also, if it isn't true, and therefore Trump KNOWS it is not true, then this investigation is a waste of time, money, and is hurting the United States and destroying public confidence in some of its most important institutions. That is not good for the country and not good for Trump.

And as I said, if he is cleared but because people don't trust Comey, they wouldn't accept the results of the investigations.

Comey did not have the confidence of the public, therefore it was necessary for him to be removed.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #622 on: May 22, 2017, 12:03:18 PM »
Let's not forget that President Trump linked the Saudi's to 9/11 during his campaign but now he's happy to sell them billions of dollars of arms and call it a victory.

Absolutely, and the payments to Jared and Ivanka right off the back of this deal are so shamelessly, obviously a pay-to-play kind of a deal.

On the flipside of that, I've seen a lot of liberal pundits act SUDDENLY all horrified by dealings with this awful regime that beheads people for sorcery. Revulsion is absolutely right, but they really can't pretend the country hasn't been doing much the same for as long as anyone can remember. Obama, Trudeau and the rest have all signed deals a lot like this.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #623 on: May 22, 2017, 01:12:46 PM »
Let's not forget that President Trump linked the Saudi's to 9/11 during his campaign but now he's happy to sell them billions of dollars of arms and call it a victory.

Absolutely, and the payments to Jared and Ivanka right off the back of this deal are so shamelessly, obviously a pay-to-play kind of a deal.

On the flipside of that, I've seen a lot of liberal pundits act SUDDENLY all horrified by dealings with this awful regime that beheads people for sorcery. Revulsion is absolutely right, but they really can't pretend the country hasn't been doing much the same for as long as anyone can remember. Obama, Trudeau and the rest have all signed deals a lot like this.

"Pay-to-play" aka lobbying has always been a part of government. The big thing about electing Trump according to him and his supporters was that he was supposed to be the "outsider", not accepting big money, and looking out for the lower/middle classes trying to make it in this economy. All we've seen so far is Trump and his family using the office of the Presidency to enrich the Trump Organization and themselves.

Trump claimed that the Saudi deal will create hundreds of thousands of jobs but he also said he will create so many good paying jobs through a $1 trillion Infrastructure bill and that didn't happen.

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« Reply #624 on: May 22, 2017, 01:18:01 PM »
Why does that matter to Trump?

It matters to Trump because this investigation dragging on is hurting his ability to get stuff done.

Also, if it isn't true, and therefore Trump KNOWS it is not true, then this investigation is a waste of time, money, and is hurting the United States and destroying public confidence in some of its most important institutions. That is not good for the country and not good for Trump.

And as I said, if he is cleared but because people don't trust Comey, they wouldn't accept the results of the investigations.

Comey did not have the confidence of the public, therefore it was necessary for him to be removed.

It was necessary to remove Comey after his premature reporting on Hillary's e-mail problem so close to the election where no new information appeared to warrant a re-opening of that investigation.

Trump, alone, is destroying public confidence in many of these institutions by his persistent attacks on them through twitter.

His government is a sieve for leaks because so many are seeing the chaotic and amateurish nature of his governance.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #625 on: May 22, 2017, 01:23:05 PM »
On the flip side of that, I've seen a lot of liberal pundits act SUDDENLY all horrified by dealings with this awful regime that beheads people for sorcery. Revulsion is absolutely right, but they really can't pretend the country hasn't been doing much the same for as long as anyone can remember. Obama, Trudeau and the rest have all signed deals a lot like this.

I get that this is kinda unrelated to what you're saying, but I'd like to point out that Trudeau didn't sign any deals with the Saudis: he only allowed the weapon trade deal that his predecessor made to continue. The distinction is small, but it's there.

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« Reply #626 on: May 22, 2017, 02:10:59 PM »
It was necessary to remove Comey after his premature reporting on Hillary's e-mail problem so close to the election where no new information appeared to warrant a re-opening of that investigation.

Trump, alone, is destroying public confidence in many of these institutions by his persistent attacks on them through twitter.

His government is a sieve for leaks because so many are seeing the chaotic and amateurish nature of his governance.

Public confidence in many American institutions has been deteriorating beyond simply Trump and predates him.

Between the Iraq War and the NSA wiretapping exposed by Snowden, public confidence in our intelligence services has declined.

Same goes for the media and Congress. The FBI was middling along, but Comey managed to somehow irritate both parties (hence why Trump said he thought the decision would be a seen as a bipartisan one, which he miscalculated).

Amateurish is not grounds for impeachment and removal from office, nor does it justify conspiracy theories about Russia.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #627 on: May 22, 2017, 04:09:24 PM »

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #628 on: May 22, 2017, 04:44:54 PM »
NYTimes and WaPo opeds can't agree...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-watergate-democrats.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/05/21/this-is-watergate-on-amphetamines/?utm_term=.b392e5cdb746

Centrists and left-leaners advise people to tone things down.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/15561842/trump-russia-louise-mensch

http://theweek.com/articles/699571/foolish-fantasies-impeach-trump-crowd

(Note, Bershidsky is an anti-Putinite)
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-19/russians-are-laughing-at-the-u-s-not-just-at-trump

The important thing for this investigation is that people need to not lose their head. Investigate, but the more elaborate you say this conspiracy is and the more you rely on speculation and anonymous sources, the less reliable you are.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #630 on: May 23, 2017, 10:39:56 AM »
On the flip side of that, I've seen a lot of liberal pundits act SUDDENLY all horrified by dealings with this awful regime that beheads people for sorcery. Revulsion is absolutely right, but they really can't pretend the country hasn't been doing much the same for as long as anyone can remember. Obama, Trudeau and the rest have all signed deals a lot like this.

I get that this is kinda unrelated to what you're saying, but I'd like to point out that Trudeau didn't sign any deals with the Saudis: he only allowed the weapon trade deal that his predecessor made to continue. The distinction is small, but it's there.

Not really. That is the narrative Trudeau is spreading. The export was in fact certified by the (then) new Liberal cabinet-minister.

The deal was made by the Conservatives, but finalized/approved by the Liberals.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #631 on: May 23, 2017, 10:46:24 AM »
Not really. That is the narrative Trudeau is spreading. The export was in fact certified by the (then) new Liberal cabinet-minister.

The deal was made by the Conservatives, but finalized/approved by the Liberals.

Oh, interesting.
I would like to do some further reading on it. Can you recommend a source?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #633 on: May 23, 2017, 04:08:25 PM »
Thanks.  :smiley:

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #634 on: May 31, 2017, 03:31:26 PM »
Trump Advisers Wage Tug of War Before Decision on Climate Deal

My guess: Trump 'cancels' Paris to censure Kushner (in favor of Paris) for being careless with his secret contact with Russia.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #635 on: June 02, 2017, 09:01:42 AM »
Trump Advisers Wage Tug of War Before Decision on Climate Deal

My guess: Trump 'cancels' Paris to censure Kushner (in favor of Paris) for being careless with his secret contact with Russia.

This whole thing is a massive clusterfcuk.  What Trump has done last month, and running into this month defies any belief.  I can't see anyone other than his most diehards fans are now thinking he is screwing absolutely everything and everyone under the slogan of 'Make America Great Again'.

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And the GOP has become the Party of Trump. His decision was reinforced by a letter from 22 Republican senators urging withdrawal from the Paris climate treaty. Those senators have coincidentally received over $10m in donations from the fossil fuel industry over the past five years.

Their reasoning was dubious at best, arguing that environmental attorneys will cite the international agreement in their efforts to prevent the Trump administration from eliminating President Obama’s Clean Power Plan.

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Perhaps the Republican Senators are trying to ride Trump’s nationalist, anti-globalist coattails. Maybe they think that their right-wing base will be excited if they stick it to the rest of the world on Paris. However, majorities of voters in every single county in the US support regulating carbon as a pollutant, and 71% of Americans (including 57% of Republicans) think the US should participate in the Paris agreement.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/jun/01/donald-trump-just-cemented-his-legacy-as-americas-worst-ever-president

This and his celebration of getting a 100bn dollar arms contract with the detestable Saudi Arabians, fuelling yet more terrorism and making the area even more unstable.

Then we move onto his awkward meeting with the pope.

And his ridiculous posturing at the G7 summit, showing his immaturity and just general dumb as fcukness.  Leading now the European leaders and now China with the Paris Treaty to just move on. 

I am failing to see anything other than his failed business background behaviour as the reason for this fcuk everyone attitude.  International relations is a delicate issue.  Please tell me that Americans are starting to get sick and tired of this shit!!

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #636 on: June 02, 2017, 10:05:48 AM »
Trump Advisers Wage Tug of War Before Decision on Climate Deal



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  Please tell me that Americans are starting to get sick and tired of this shit!!

I have a day off today, so…..

I know that some will probably say that Bloomberg is not credible because he is just another racist-sexist-deplorable, but here is what he currently thinks….

Most of the piece is a good read about the Bloomberg Philanthropies which donates hundreds of millions of dollars to promote health, but he does talk politics. 

I included two links/sources in case some think that the first link is from a pro-Trump source....

The Opinion Pages | Op-Ed Columnist
How We Really Die
Frank Bruni MAY 31, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/opinion/michael-bloomberg-philanthropies-health.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2

Ah, politics. I knew we’d get there. Bloomberg, an independent who opposed Donald Trump, said that Democrats never found an effective message. “Hillary said, ‘Vote for me because I’m a woman and the other guy’s bad,’ ” he said.

They’re still searching for the right issues and words, he said, and too many have visions of 2020 dancing in their heads.

 “They’ll step on each other and re-elect Donald Trump,” he told me, estimating “a 55 percent chance he gets re-elected.”



Michael Bloomberg is no big fan of fellow billionaire Donald Trump. But still, the former New York mayor who has considered in the past a presidential run of his own, believes Trump may remain in the White House for longer than many believe.

Trump, according to Bloomberg, stands a 55 percent chance of getting reelected in 2020. And the reason has little to do with Trump’s qualities.

In an interview with Frank Bruni at the New York Times, Bloomberg, an independent, placed the blame on the Democrats who still can’t get their act together. “Hillary said, ‘Vote for me because I’m a woman and the other guy’s bad,’ ” Bloomberg said, noting that Democrats are still struggling to find their message. “They’ll step on each other and re-elect Donald Trump,” he predicted.

In the 2016 campaign, Bloomberg endorsed Clinton and spoke out forcefully against the election of Trump.

Read more: http://forward.com/fast-forward/373495/michael-bloomberg-trump-odds-reelection/
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #637 on: June 02, 2017, 10:25:11 AM »
SO basically what you're saying is that he has a 55% chance of reelection because the Democrats are not a viable opposition, or cannot put forward a viable candidate to run against Trump 2020?  Not because he is a complete idiot that the rest of the world are both worried and amazed that he can maintain power and wouldn't start world war three at the drop of a hat.

What I was alluding more to was does Trump still have such a staunch fanbase given that he's walked away from the Paris agreement, was way too late tweet anything about the Portland stabbings considering he does nothing but tweet about fake news or his dumb behaviour in Europe?  Wouldn't all of this chip away at the fanbase he has?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #638 on: June 02, 2017, 11:06:15 AM »
SO basically what you're saying is that he has a 55% chance of reelection because the Democrats are not a viable opposition, or cannot put forward a viable candidate to run against Trump 2020?  Not because he is a complete idiot that the rest of the world are both worried and amazed that he can maintain power and wouldn't start world war three at the drop of a hat.


That was former NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg that said that. And he can maintain power because the opposition is even more dysfunctional. Polls have shown that people think the Democrats are MORE out of touch than Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/24/politics/democratic-party-poll/index.html

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What I was alluding more to was does Trump still have such a staunch fanbase given that he's walked away from the Paris agreement, was way too late tweet anything about the Portland stabbings considering he does nothing but tweet about fake news or his dumb behaviour in Europe?  Wouldn't all of this chip away at the fanbase he has?

1. Fans weren't a fan of Paris to begin with (I differ with them on this).
2. Portland stabber was a former Bernie Sanders supporter and mentally ill. Why should Trump comment? That's just the media and the left trying to make him grovel.
3. His fans don't have much respect for Macron/Merkel

Besides

1. Jobs are looking good.
2. Border crossings are down.
3. The more the media and the left try to tear him down, the more his base sticks by him.
4. Underneath all of the superficial stuff, people are agreeing with him in his pressuring China on North Korea and calling out Germany (Slate and Politico have agreed that he has a point on Germany's handling of the European economy).

Most importantly, the left is unhinged. HRC is blaming Comey, Putin, Racists, Sexists, the DNC, Bernie supporters, and anyone else but herself for her loss. Meanwhile the left is claiming that Trump has dementia, narcissistic personality disorder, is Hitler, is cunningly scamming people out of money, is over-leveraged, is incompetent, etc. and that he's somehow under the influence of Bannon, Putin, David Duke, Reince Preibus, Kellyanne Conway, Nigel Farage, The Saudis, Netanyahu, Mike Pence, Jared Kushner, Ivanka, 4chan, Roger Ailes, Sheldon Adelson, and has somehow betrayed all of them.

The left is engaging in spray'n'pray and while that works with the left, it's not persuading any of his followers to stop supporting him.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #639 on: June 02, 2017, 02:05:15 PM »
This should also send a strong message to France not to shake his hand like that anymore.

 



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