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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #340 on: March 24, 2017, 10:38:30 PM »
I heard a podcast today on Democracy Now that talked about the exact same stuff.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #341 on: March 25, 2017, 08:30:31 AM »
After Trump's spectacular failure on healthcare and grandstanding threats against his own party, the clock is now ticking on his presidency. Getting rid of Obamacare was priority 1 for the GOP. This kind of failure, incompetence, bullying, and humiliation won't be tolerated.

I expect impeachment proceedings to begin before the midterm elections.

Republicans in congress want to keep their jobs.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #342 on: March 25, 2017, 10:45:48 AM »
After Trump's spectacular failure on healthcare and grandstanding threats against his own party, the clock is now ticking on his presidency. Getting rid of Obamacare was priority 1 for the GOP. This kind of failure, incompetence, bullying, and humiliation won't be tolerated.

I expect impeachment proceedings to begin before the midterm elections.

Republicans in congress want to keep their jobs.

I don't think that's what happened at all nor what the political climate is.

This was a bill designed to fail. Paul Ryan took one for the team. There was no way to get moderates+the Freedom Caucus on board with the same bill. Siding with either faction would be too big of a political price. Essentially all sides get to declare victory (or at least 'we did our best') and go home. They can move on to something else and thanks to Trump's penchant for showmanship, be assured in the fact that this will have faded from memory in 2018.

For Trump, it should be noted that he did not refer to this plan as TrumpCare. This, the man who has pitched Trump Airlines, Trump Tower, Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump Casino, Trump Hotel, etc. He didn't call it TrumpCare. Think about that. That says all you need to know about what Trump really thought. I'm willing to bet that he comes back a bit later with his own proposal that is much more modest in scope and targets a few specific areas of reform where he can get broad consensus. His comments at today's presser seemed to hint at that.

Trump and the Republicans are playing the long game. They have done well in outmaneuvering the Democrats since 2000. They somehow managed to recover from W. Bush with only one two year period of unified Democratic control, during which the Dems accomplished Obamacare and little else. Yes they lost the presidency twice to Obama, but Obama was a unique figure that had JFK levels of charisma. Nothing could be done. In the meantime they went about dominating state and local government.

As for Trump he started his birther long-con way back when. Do you honestly think Trump thought Obama was a Kenyan? Of course not. He set that up for a long-term payoff in the sphere of politics. He chose the right time and the right message for someone like him to win. He couldn't have won in 2012, the rage at the global elite hadn't exploded and Obama was a formidable opponent. Whether Trump wanted to actually win or not is unknown, but one thing I think Trump understood is that no matter how the race went, it could be a "win" for him depending on how he framed things. Finish 2nd in the primary? Great, time to get the TrumpTV network going. Lose to Clinton? Be a major voice in the party AND get TrumpTV going, likely with a bigger following, possibly set up Ivanka/Eric for politics. Win? He already has money. He already has fame. Now he has power. The man has the trifecta and he just won the biggest upset in electoral history, forever changed US politics, shattered both political parties, and made the world tremble.

The biggest mistake the opposition has done is to underestimate him and consider him incompetent and stupid. As long as people do that, Trump will survive and likely win. 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #343 on: March 25, 2017, 01:51:32 PM »
Another Trump/Bannon strategic win. Basically what the above post already says, but my own read...

They ran something they knew could never pass, and didn’t even give it a vote to be sure. Now that is off the table forever, good. Now alt-right wages full war on Ryan (this was always a knife in the back move, they want him gone but Trump had to be seen as being supportive). Trump watches Obamacare burn, and tweets about it while eating his steak and catchup, for years. Eventually public rage and political pressure grows to where it is time to put thru their real plan. Probably something "deconstruction of the administrative state" related. This is long-game negotiation.

“Trump has said more than once that politically speaking, the easiest choice for Republicans would be to sit back and let the system operate on its own. Doing so, Trump predicted, would lead to a total collapse.” -HuffPo

ALSO, everyone who reads "alt-news" already knew what was happening. It was obvious from day one. It's only the MSM brainwashed dolts who have no clue what is happening. This keeps driving people to check alt-news to get in the loop, which grows their marketshare while stealing from CNN/NYT marketshare.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #344 on: March 25, 2017, 03:46:47 PM »
President "Art of the Deal" Trump just lost bigly on TrumpCare/RyanCare. Couldn't work out the plans for the bestest health insurance plan ever...i.e the plans sucked and the Republicans sunk it.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #345 on: March 25, 2017, 05:13:36 PM »
After Trump's spectacular failure on healthcare and grandstanding threats against his own party, the clock is now ticking on his presidency.

You don't seem to get that the clock was ticking from the moment he was elected.

Even before that... from the moment he became a serious contender to oppose Hilary.

Trump threatened the power and profits of the military/ security complex and Wall Street.  That was enough for the elites to declare war on him. Using their tools the CIA, FBI, NSA, democrats, John McCain etc, they have managed to completely box him in by portraying him as in collusion with a foreign power to steal the election. These corrupt "intelligence" agencies still cannot provide an ounce of evidence to prove their claims.

The real issue americans should be concerned with is not a Trump/Putin conspiracy to steal the presidential election.

It is the blatant collusion between Hilary's forces, the mainstream media and the CIA, first to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders, then the presidential election from Trump; then to delegitimize Trump’s election, then to cripple his presidency.

Trumps presidency is basically over, he has been reduced to a pathetic shadow. His mistake was to challenge the elites before he had a team or organization in place to oppose them.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #346 on: March 25, 2017, 05:38:55 PM »
Did you get that information from RT? (The Russian government dislikes Clinton.)

Why Putin Hates Clinton and Helped Trump Win

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/why-putin-hates-clinton-and-helped-trump-win


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #347 on: March 25, 2017, 06:46:16 PM »
Why Putin Hates Clinton and Helped Trump Win

Lol who's the conspiracy theorist now?


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https://www.vice. com

Ah.. a freaky neoliberal government mouthpiece website.


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Did you get that information from RT?


Actually from common sense.

You don't need to look at a Russian website to notice the blatant nonsense now rampant in the mainstream media, my friend.


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(The Russian government dislikes Clinton.)

You don't say. Maybe because she threatened them with war?


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The Kremlin Really Believes That Hillary Wants to Start a War With Russia

 Even as relations between Russia and the West have sunk to new lows in the wake of 2014’s revolution in Ukraine, the Kremlin has long contended that a Cold War II is impossible. That’s because, while there may be differences over, say, the fate of Donetsk, there is no longer a fundamental ideological struggle dividing East and West. To Russian ears, Clinton seemed determined in her speech to provide this missing ingredient for bipolar enmity, painting Moscow as the vanguard for racism, intolerance, and misogyny around the globe.

The nation Clinton described was unrecognizable to its citizens. Anti-woman? Putin’s government provides working mothers with three years of subsidized family leave. Intolerant? The president personally attended the opening of Moscow’s great mosque. Racist? Putin often touts Russia’s ethnic diversity. To Russians, it appeared that Clinton was straining to fabricate a rationale for hostilities.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/07/the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-a-war-with-russia-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #348 on: March 25, 2017, 07:43:15 PM »
Ah.. a freaky neoliberal government mouthpiece website.

It's a Canadian company...that started as a counter culture punk rock skateboarding magazine  from what I remember.

Look at their newest video. It's about why Mexico should legalize marijuana.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #349 on: March 25, 2017, 09:41:32 PM »
Why Putin Hates Clinton and Helped Trump Win

Lol who's the conspiracy theorist now?


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https://www.vice. com

Ah.. a freaky neoliberal government mouthpiece website.


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Did you get that information from RT?


Actually from common sense.

You don't need to look at a Russian website to notice the blatant nonsense now rampant in the mainstream media, my friend.


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(The Russian government dislikes Clinton.)

You don't say. Maybe because she threatened them with war?


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The Kremlin Really Believes That Hillary Wants to Start a War With Russia

 Even as relations between Russia and the West have sunk to new lows in the wake of 2014’s revolution in Ukraine, the Kremlin has long contended that a Cold War II is impossible. That’s because, while there may be differences over, say, the fate of Donetsk, there is no longer a fundamental ideological struggle dividing East and West. To Russian ears, Clinton seemed determined in her speech to provide this missing ingredient for bipolar enmity, painting Moscow as the vanguard for racism, intolerance, and misogyny around the globe.

The nation Clinton described was unrecognizable to its citizens. Anti-woman? Putin’s government provides working mothers with three years of subsidized family leave. Intolerant? The president personally attended the opening of Moscow’s great mosque. Racist? Putin often touts Russia’s ethnic diversity. To Russians, it appeared that Clinton was straining to fabricate a rationale for hostilities.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/07/the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-a-war-with-russia-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #350 on: March 25, 2017, 09:49:51 PM »

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #351 on: March 25, 2017, 11:18:40 PM »
Ah.. a freaky neoliberal government mouthpiece website.

It's a Canadian company...that started as a counter culture punk rock skateboarding magazine  from what I remember.

...and then became a neoliberal propaganda site.


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VICE’s Fall From Counterculture Hipster Rag To Neoliberal Government Mouthpiece

Robbie Martin, director of the documentary series ‘A Very Heavy Agenda,’ joins Mnar Muhawesh on ‘Behind the Headline’ to discuss how VICE became a government lapdog

While positioning itself as a ballsy, no-holds-barred alternative to the mainstream media, it’s actually become the mainstream media. VICE Media hasn’t just sold itself out to the neocon agenda, it’s also normalized that agenda among its audience through its growing digital platform.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/vices-fall-counterculture-hipster-rag-neoliberal-government-mouthpiece/220431/

In any case..you've sidetracked onto irrelevancies as you always do.

Where was I? Ah..here:

After Trump's spectacular failure on healthcare and grandstanding threats against his own party, the clock is now ticking on his presidency.

You don't seem to get that the clock was ticking from the moment he was elected.

Even before that... from the moment he became a serious contender to oppose Hilary.

Trump threatened the power and profits of the military/ security complex and Wall Street.  That was enough for the elites to declare war on him. Using their tools the CIA, FBI, NSA, democrats, John McCain etc, they have managed to completely box him in by portraying him as in collusion with a foreign power to steal the election. These corrupt "intelligence" agencies still cannot provide an ounce of evidence to prove their claims.

The real issue americans should be concerned with is not a Trump/Putin conspiracy to steal the presidential election.

It is the blatant collusion between Hilary's forces, the mainstream media and the CIA, first to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders, then the presidential election from Trump; then to delegitimize Trump’s election, then to cripple his presidency.

Trumps presidency is basically over, he has been reduced to a pathetic shadow. His mistake was to challenge the elites before he had a team or organization in place to oppose them.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #352 on: March 26, 2017, 01:20:56 AM »


Trump threatened the power and profits of the military/ security complex and Wall Street.  That was enough for the elites to declare war on him.

Trumps presidency is basically over, he has been reduced to a pathetic shadow. His mistake was to challenge the elites before he had a team or organization in place to oppose them.

Not really - his new budget is all military and little else.  If nothing else, he is now in cahoots with the military complex.  I wonder if what happened to him is what happened to Obama? 
Obama started off with a similar 'change' platform (which even got him a nobel peace prize) and then did a U-turn. 

Either they were both always in cahoots with the elites and were lying their arses off, or they got blackmailed/pressured by the elites into submission after winning the elections. 

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« Reply #353 on: March 26, 2017, 01:24:43 AM »



Where was I? Ah..here:


You don't seem to get that the clock was ticking from the moment he was elected.

Even before that... from the moment he became a serious contender to oppose Hilary.

Trump threatened the power and profits of the military/ security complex and Wall Street.  That was enough for the elites to declare war on him. Using their tools the CIA, FBI, NSA, democrats, John McCain etc, they have managed to completely box him in by portraying him as in collusion with a foreign power to steal the election. These corrupt "intelligence" agencies still cannot provide an ounce of evidence to prove their claims.

The real issue americans should be concerned with is not a Trump/Putin conspiracy to steal the presidential election.

It is the blatant collusion between Hilary's forces, the mainstream media and the CIA, first to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders, then the presidential election from Trump; then to delegitimize Trump’s election, then to cripple his presidency.

Trumps presidency is basically over, he has been reduced to a pathetic shadow. His mistake was to challenge the elites before he had a team or organization in place to oppose them.

I hear ya comrade. Dealing with independent members of political parties and democratic institutions like the congress is such a pain in the arse. Isn't it a pity Trump can't just eliminate his opposition like comrade Putin does in 'democratic' mother Russia
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #354 on: March 26, 2017, 03:39:38 AM »
President "Art of the Deal" Trump just lost bigly on TrumpCare/RyanCare. Couldn't work out the plans for the bestest health insurance plan ever...i.e the plans sucked and the Republicans sunk it.

That's not what happened at all. You can't even get basic factual elements right,

The bill was drafted and brought forth by Paul Ryan. Trump gave it his basic blessing and sat on the sidelines during the opening negotiation phase and then joined in to push for it at the end. The bill was doomed because it satisfied neither the moderates in the GOP nor the Freedom Caucus, both of which had enough votes to sink it on their own.

Why Putin Hates Clinton and Helped Trump Win

Lol who's the conspiracy theorist now?


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https://www.vice. com

Ah.. a freaky neoliberal government mouthpiece website.


Quote
Did you get that information from RT?


Actually from common sense.

You don't need to look at a Russian website to notice the blatant nonsense now rampant in the mainstream media, my friend.


Quote
(The Russian government dislikes Clinton.)

You don't say. Maybe because she threatened them with war?


Quote
The Kremlin Really Believes That Hillary Wants to Start a War With Russia

 Even as relations between Russia and the West have sunk to new lows in the wake of 2014’s revolution in Ukraine, the Kremlin has long contended that a Cold War II is impossible. That’s because, while there may be differences over, say, the fate of Donetsk, there is no longer a fundamental ideological struggle dividing East and West. To Russian ears, Clinton seemed determined in her speech to provide this missing ingredient for bipolar enmity, painting Moscow as the vanguard for racism, intolerance, and misogyny around the globe.

The nation Clinton described was unrecognizable to its citizens. Anti-woman? Putin’s government provides working mothers with three years of subsidized family leave. Intolerant? The president personally attended the opening of Moscow’s great mosque. Racist? Putin often touts Russia’s ethnic diversity. To Russians, it appeared that Clinton was straining to fabricate a rationale for hostilities.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/07/the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-a-war-with-russia-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/

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I have a question for you Russia haters- Are you willing to go to war with Russia over some border dispute with Georgia? Do you actually think Putin is going to blitz into Poland?

Would you go fight and die Tatarian independence? Would you send your children to do so?

Then why do you back this anti-Russia nonsense?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #355 on: March 26, 2017, 07:33:43 AM »
President "Art of the Deal" Trump just lost bigly on TrumpCare/RyanCare. Couldn't work out the plans for the bestest health insurance plan ever...i.e the plans sucked and the Republicans sunk it.

That's not what happened at all. You can't even get basic factual elements right,

The bill was drafted and brought forth by Paul Ryan. Trump gave it his basic blessing and sat on the sidelines during the opening negotiation phase and then joined in to push for it at the end. The bill was doomed because it satisfied neither the moderates in the GOP nor the Freedom Caucus, both of which had enough votes to sink it on their own.

Hahah, rebuked by the Steels about facts. Not sure what part of my post you are denying as "factual".

"The bill was drafted and brought forth by Paul Ryan." = RyanCare
"Trump gave it his basic blessing and sat on the sidelines during the opening negotiation phase and then joined in to push for it at the end." = RyanCare = TrumpCare
"The bill was doomed because it satisfied neither the moderates in the GOP nor the Freedom Caucus, both of which had enough votes to sink it on their own. " = the plans sucked and the Republicans sunk it.

Who knew Health Insurance could be so complicated? Trump clearly didn't.

"We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump told The Washington Post. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."
"[They] can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better," he said.

Again, he failed bigly.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #356 on: March 26, 2017, 07:42:35 AM »
I have a question for you Russia haters- Are you willing to go to war with Russia over some border dispute with Georgia? Do you actually think Putin is going to blitz into Poland?

Would you go fight and die Tatarian independence? Would you send your children to do so?

Then why do you back this anti-Russia nonsense?

There will be no war with Russia. 'Murica's much stronger and Putin knows it.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #357 on: March 26, 2017, 07:48:49 AM »
Trump threatened the power and profits of the military/ security complex and Wall Street.  That was enough for the elites to declare war on him.

Trumps presidency is basically over, he has been reduced to a pathetic shadow. His mistake was to challenge the elites before he had a team or organization in place to oppose them.

Not really - his new budget is all military and little else.  If nothing else, he is now in cahoots with the military complex.  I wonder if what happened to him is what happened to Obama? 
Obama started off with a similar 'change' platform (which even got him a nobel peace prize) and then did a U-turn. 

Either they were both always in cahoots with the elites and were lying their arses off, or they got blackmailed/pressured by the elites into submission after winning the elections.

You actually believe that? How about reading the consensus of educated scholars next time rather than the clickbait fake news of zero hedge?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #358 on: March 26, 2017, 08:03:56 AM »
The gig had a certain formula, he told Bloomberg: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.” For Zero Hedge, Syria was a special obsession, a sign of the essential strength of authoritarian regimes and the weakness of democracies. (“Putin Is Winning the Final Chess Match with Obama,” one Zero Hedge article claimed last fall.) The pace of the propaganda was too much for Lokey; last month, he checked himself into a hospital, believing he was on the verge of a panic attack. The populism seemed false to him.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #359 on: March 26, 2017, 11:18:58 AM »

Hahah, rebuked by the Steels about facts. Not sure what part of my post you are denying as "factual".

"The bill was drafted and brought forth by Paul Ryan." = RyanCare
"Trump gave it his basic blessing and sat on the sidelines during the opening negotiation phase and then joined in to push for it at the end." = RyanCare = TrumpCare
"The bill was doomed because it satisfied neither the moderates in the GOP nor the Freedom Caucus, both of which had enough votes to sink it on their own. " = the plans sucked and the Republicans sunk it.

Who knew Health Insurance could be so complicated? Trump clearly didn't.

"We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump told The Washington Post. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."
"[They] can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better," he said.

Again, he failed bigly.

You're not understanding the situation-

Here's the dilemma- The Republicans and Trump have a base that demands full repeal. They also know that in so doing, they would suffer severe electoral consequences from moderates and independents. How do you fulfill this campaign promise without suffering the electoral consequences?

You put forward a plan that's designed to fail. Any plan put forward would be unacceptable to either the moderates OR the Freedom Caucus. Both have enough strength to torpedo the bill. You do this, say you made the best effort, pull it, and essentially pull a Vietnam and declare victory (or at least you fought the good fight) and go home. Neither the base nor the swings that backed you will abandon you wholesale. Furthermore, you can then go back at a later date with a much more modest plan that has broad appeal and get a victory. The base will take what it can get and the proposals will be of the kind that make it hard for the Dems/moderates can oppose, like state competition and letting in Canadian drugs.

You're also ignoring the broader strategic concern- The upcoming Gorsuch nomination. THAT is the big enchilada. It is the one where Republicans are unified, it is where they are ready to go to war, it is the one where moderate Dems are in a bind. They need the political capital and the unity of purpose to do this and to overcome the Democratic filibuster. That 5-4 majority (and future SCOTUS nominations) are far more important than this Obamacare measure.

And yes, RyanCare is not Trumpcare. Just as McCain-Feingold, Dodd-Frank, etc. belong to Congress, not the president.

It is far better to have plans withdrawn because of pressure from your own base than the opposition.