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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #220 on: March 09, 2017, 05:02:50 PM »
This is definitely the case in the US: it was "Hilary or Trump", not "Hilary, Trump, or-that-other-bloke-who-seems-comparatively-reasonable".  :sad:

Hilary = much better than Trump...just as Gore = much better than George W. Bush. To say both candidates are equally bad is foolish.

Clinton is highly intelligent, very sane, and slow to act rash. The Russian propaganda slandered her and you guys fell for it though.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #221 on: March 09, 2017, 05:06:07 PM »
This is definitely the case in the US: it was "Hilary or Trump", not "Hilary, Trump, or-that-other-bloke-who-seems-comparatively-reasonable".  :sad:

Hilary = much better than Trump...just as Gore = much better than George W. Bush. To say both candidates are equally bad is foolish.

Clinton is highly intelligent, very sane, and slow to act rash. The Russian propaganda slandered her and you guys fell for it though.
Saying she is better than a crazy person isn't a compliment.  The problem with Hillary is that she is a corporate shill for big business.  The US needs people like Bernie. 
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #222 on: March 09, 2017, 05:12:46 PM »
Are you kidding me? Clinton is less of a corporate shill for big business than Trump is. You think she would have pushed to cut the Environmental Protection Agency and increase military spending by 10% and build more nukes? And cut taxes on the upper 1%?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #223 on: March 09, 2017, 05:20:22 PM »
Remember, Sanders endorsed Clinton over Trump.

So if you are a Sanders fan, Clinton more closely aligns with your values than Trump.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #225 on: March 09, 2017, 05:25:39 PM »
This is definitely the case in the US: it was "Hilary or Trump", not "Hilary, Trump, or-that-other-bloke-who-seems-comparatively-reasonable".  :sad:

Hilary = much better than Trump...just as Gore = much better than George W. Bush. To say both candidates are equally bad is foolish.

Clinton is highly intelligent, very sane, and slow to act rash. The Russian propaganda slandered her and you guys fell for it though.

Her support for NAFTA, TPP, the Iraq War, Syrian intervention, and drone strikes was Russian propaganda?

Her mediocre and unaccomplished record in the Senate was a plus? How about her middling SecState record? What did she accomplish?

As far as temperment her covering up her health issues, her refusal to concede on election night and speak to supporters, and her stubborn refusal to listen to Bill and take Trump seriously says plenty.

Trump for all his bluster identified lines of attack that proved succesful, even when doubted, he changed managers when it was the right time, got better results with less money, ran to win rather than be popular, and carved out an electoral map that experts laughed at and is set to give the Republicans an electoral map edge even if they lose Arizona or Georgia next time around (offest by the Rust Belt+Minnesota, Maine, NH). He knew when to listen to Conway and Bannon.

Give him the Johnson vote and Clinton tge Stein vote and he takes NV, NH, MN, ME this year and VA, CO, and NM dont get called for Clinton till Wed. Nov. 9th.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #226 on: March 09, 2017, 05:28:52 PM »
Clinton is less of a corporate shill for big business than Trump is.
The US needs people like Bernie.

Listen up kids, cause you need schooling. Bernie and Warren are wussies who talk about change, but can't make it happen. Hillary didn't even bother talking about change, as she knew it was impossible. Republicans are wussies. Libertarians are wussies.

Zero change is possible in the USA, because the country is under corporate control. Maximize profits okay, but anything else you want to do, the answer is no. You got to come with BIG GUNS READY FOR WAR if you want something done, and you will probably lose (which is why nobody has ever tried it).

Trump/Bannon are the only people to have tried it, and so far lived to tell about it. The mob demanded some stuff done on immigration, and anti-PC culture, and these things are actually very anti-profits. Now we see what happens when you do what the citizens want, you get attacked from all sides by the establishment. Corporate money moves to eliminated these guys, so it can continue forward with globalism, progressivism thought police, income inequality, majority group hate, and mass media brainwashing.

Dystopian liberal corporate hell. Please buy a clue!

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #227 on: March 09, 2017, 05:46:46 PM »
White House is now confirming that there is no evidence of any wiretapping of Trump.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/us/politics/white-house-trump-wiretap-obama.html

I guess the usual Trumptrolls will no be claiming that Trump himself and Shawn Spicy are "fake news" so they don't have to explain why they were disagreeing with reality.

I didn’t think I would come back to read this thread, but now that I did…….. 

First, the link posted by SaintsCanada is an excellent read.  If you haven’t already read it, you should. 

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/07/leading-putin-critic-warns-of-xenophobic-conspiracy-theories-drowning-u-s-discourse-and-helping-trump/

Second, as you read everything below remember we are talking about wiretapping in Trump Tower.  Here is a quote from Trump’s first Tweet at 6:35 on 4 March,

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  “had my wires tapped in Trump Tower.” 
  http://www.businessinsider.com/r-trump-alleges-wire-tapping-by-obama-during-campaign-2017-3             

Does anyone believe that Trump does not think that all of Trump Tower is his?

Where does this mobile NY Times story state that the White House says there was no wiretapping at Trump Tower?  This is what I found it said.

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  https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/us/politics/white-house-trump-wiretap-obama.html

WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”                   

For those that feel they have all the answers regarding wiretaps and Trump Tower because you have read the NY Times or Washington Post, I have some questions for which I cannot find all the answers.  If you have all the answers to the following questions, please post the links to your sources:

1.  Did General Flynn - formal National Security Advisor to President Trump - work at/in Trump Tower at any time during the campaign?

2.  Did Flynn use any telephones at Trump Tower?

3.  Which U.S. government agency wiretapped and recorded Flynn’s conversations? 

4. Was this U.S. government agency only recording the conversations of the Russian Ambassador to the U.S., and recorded Flynn unintentionally only during those conversations that took place in December 2016 - and decided to leak it anyways because such agency wants to hurt Trump? 

5.  Were there other conversations that were tapped and recorded prior to December 2016?  My understanding is that the information that was publically released covered conversations conducted in December 2016; however, was there surveillance before December, and if so, when this this surveillance begin?

6.  Did this U.S. government agency have legal authority to tap and record these conversations?   
 
7.  Did this U.S. government agency have the legal authority to release the information it collected to the U.S. media; such as to the Washington Post?

8. Did this U.S. government agency release all the information it collected, or has it only released the information that it believes could be used to hurt Trump?

9.  Whether it was Flynn or the Russian Ambassador who was being wiretapped, who signed off on the Flynn and/or Russian Ambassador wiretap?

10.  Before Trump sent his Tweets about the wiretap could Flynn have told Trump that he did use phones in the Trump Tower during the campaign?

From what I have read, the Flynn conversations that were released were made in December 2016.  I do know who was President at such time.

P.S.  For the real conspiracy buffs: Was it the Russian Ambassador/Putin who recorded the conversations and released the information??????








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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #228 on: March 09, 2017, 07:38:32 PM »
This is definitely the case in the US: it was "Hilary or Trump", not "Hilary, Trump, or-that-other-bloke-who-seems-comparatively-reasonable".  :sad:
Hilary = much better than Trump...just as Gore = much better than George W. Bush. To say both candidates are equally bad is foolish.
Clinton is highly intelligent, very sane, and slow to act rash. The Russian propaganda slandered her and you guys fell for it though.
I didn't say they were equally bad. Just that they were both bad.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #229 on: March 09, 2017, 11:30:52 PM »
When factoring in NATO, whatever marginal (and it is very marginal) edge Russia may or may not have with tanks or artillery, is more than made up for by the combined weight of the U.S., France, Spain, Britain, Italy, Germany, the Dutch, and Poland.


But you overlook that..

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Because defense is easier than attack, most attacking military forces require a 3:1 superiority ratio to have a reasonable shot at victory. The current ratio in the Baltics is more than 4:1, and NATO forces on the ground field considerably less firepower than their Russian counterparts.

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The Russian military could defeat NATO forces in the Baltics in just 60 hours
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a21344/us-claims-russia-could-defeat-nato-in-60-hours/


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Russia Defeats America in Every NATO War Game Scenario

Since mid-2014 the Pentagon has run all manner of war games – as many as 16 times, under different scenarios – pitting NATO against Russia. All scenarios were favorable to NATO. All simulations yielded the same victor: Russia.”
http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2015/12/russia-defeats-america-in-every-nato-war-game-scenario-2459562.html

You don't seem to realize that Russia has massively rebuilt its military in the past decade due to Washington's threats.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #230 on: March 09, 2017, 11:54:57 PM »
I'm not sure if it was safer. I think it was an explosively (pun!) dangerous situation that was managed and ultimately reduced through vast amounts of effort. The whole capitalist/communist war of ideologies was pretty viscous -- true believers are always the most dangerous.

     Sure, nowadays we're heading back to conflict, but I feel that it's a conflict driven more by the desire for wealth, influence, and power. While I agree that the world isn't exactly in a safe place with Russia and the States back at each other's throats, I feel that there is more potential for a non-violent resolution for a conflict driven by greed than for one driven by ideology.

 The players might be the same (ish), but their roles have changed: they're now merchants, not fundamentalists.


I think you have it the wrong way round.

Russia dropped the ideology. Communism is dead: the former driver of Marxist expansionism that characterized the wars of the 1970's and 80's has gone. Russia is pursuing the free market, it's priority is simply to build its economy.
When The US and its nato/ media puppets try to portray Russia as an expansionist imperialistic force, they are projecting.

 
Washington, on the other hand, is now gripped by a new ideology that has dictated all its foreign policy since the Clinton administration. That ideology is of American global hegemony. It makes naziism look tame. A globalist "new world order" with the American elite at the helm is what they have been working toward. This ideology is spelt out plainly in the Wolfowitz doctrine.

After the fall of the USSR, the neocons suddenly saw America as having the manifest destiny to dominate the world. The "indispensable people". Their aim became to increase their influence throughout the globe by whatever means necessary, to eliminate nation states and borders, to create more lebensraum for their corporations.

By this ideology, any country able to counter American domination is an enemy. Any country that wants to pursue its own national interest ahead of American interests, is an enemy. Any country that is not a vassal of Washington, is an enemy. And enemies are to have their governments overthrown by colour revolutions or their leaders framed by fake accusations...and replaced with US puppet governments. Or if that fails, simply invade them or destabilize them via proxy wars.

Maybe americans are beginning to realize the lies and greed that is at the heart of Washingtons neo-con ambitions. Theirs is a country now owned by the elite and their corporations, their neo-con partners in government: the globalists, the banksters and all their secret societies.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #231 on: March 10, 2017, 09:27:32 AM »
White House is now confirming that there is no evidence of any wiretapping of Trump.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/us/politics/white-house-trump-wiretap-obama.html

No dude. The NYT is NOT a credible source of information. These are the innuendo-crew who said there was a Trump wire tap. Now they say there was no wire tap. Thus proving themselves fake news. The end.



Ok so you are literally saying that Sean Spicer reading from a piece of paper is fake news. You guys just can't handle that you've been wildly whining about wiretaps for days now, and now you've suddenly been completely hoodwinked by your precious troll presidency.

WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #232 on: March 10, 2017, 09:32:46 AM »
When factoring in NATO, whatever marginal (and it is very marginal) edge Russia may or may not have with tanks or artillery, is more than made up for by the combined weight of the U.S., France, Spain, Britain, Italy, Germany, the Dutch, and Poland.


But you overlook that..

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Because defense is easier than attack, most attacking military forces require a 3:1 superiority ratio to have a reasonable shot at victory. The current ratio in the Baltics is more than 4:1, and NATO forces on the ground field considerably less firepower than their Russian counterparts.

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The Russian military could defeat NATO forces in the Baltics in just 60 hours
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a21344/us-claims-russia-could-defeat-nato-in-60-hours/


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Russia Defeats America in Every NATO War Game Scenario

Since mid-2014 the Pentagon has run all manner of war games – as many as 16 times, under different scenarios – pitting NATO against Russia. All scenarios were favorable to NATO. All simulations yielded the same victor: Russia.”
http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2015/12/russia-defeats-america-in-every-nato-war-game-scenario-2459562.html

You don't seem to realize that Russia has massively rebuilt its military in the past decade due to Washington's threats.

You're talking about a Baltics war scenario rather than a general conflict between NATO and Russia. That's a different matter. That's not just about military capability but also surprise, terrain, etc.

3:1 may not necessarily hold true anymore given advances in technology as the 3:1 ratio is a holdover from the days of the rifled musket. It might still hold true but it hasn't been truly tested for some time.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #233 on: March 10, 2017, 10:25:02 AM »
Ok so you are literally saying that Sean Spicer reading from a piece of paper is fake news. You guys just can't handle that you've been wildly whining about wiretaps for days now, and now you've suddenly been completely hoodwinked by your precious troll presidency.

WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”



It really is something this.  Trump can just say anything and his die-hards will follow him whatever, even though all of it is bollocks.  There is so much smoke being blown out at such a rate it is dangerously mind-boggling.  It is kind of moving targets.  Just as one pile of shit is presented another conflicting one is hot on its tail. 

I was more worried about Scott Pruit.

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Scott Pruitt, Donald Trump’s head of the US Environmental Protection Agency, has dismissed a basic scientific understanding of climate change by denying that carbon dioxide emissions are a primary cause of global warming. 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/09/epa-scott-pruitt-carbon-dioxide-global-warming-climate-change

A century of scientific research into global warming has all been a waste of time.  Can we get our money back?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #234 on: March 10, 2017, 12:26:56 PM »
... The players might be the same (ish), but their roles have changed: they're now merchants, not fundamentalists.
I think you have it the wrong way round.

Russia dropped the ideology. Communism is dead: the former driver of Marxist expansionism that characterized the wars of the 1970's and 80's has gone. Russia is pursuing the free market, it's priority is simply to build its economy.
Well yes, that what I said. Apologies if I wasn't being clear.

Interesting that you see the current American push towards globalism/hegemony etc as an ideology. I hadn't really thought of it that way.

I consider it basically as what every other country is trying to do, only more so. Countries whose primary concern is politicking for influence and money can usually be negotiated with, and I don't think that the superpowers of the present -- any of them -- are beyond trading a little of that for a little of this.
Political extremism back in the 20th century was a lot like religious fundamentalism: it was "my way or the highway".
We might be heading back to that with the increasing polarization we're seeing now, but we're not there yet. Hopefully the current trend can be curbed soon by someone sane.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #235 on: March 10, 2017, 01:52:24 PM »
White House is now confirming that there is no evidence of any wiretapping of Trump.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/us/politics/white-house-trump-wiretap-obama.html


Ok so you are literally saying that Sean Spicer reading from a piece of paper is fake news. You guys just can't handle that you've been wildly whining about wiretaps for days now, and now you've suddenly been completely hoodwinked by your precious troll presidency.

WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”


I still cannot find in this Mobile NY Times article where it states that at this press briefing the White House said there was no wiretapping at Trump Tower. 

Let’s do a quick review of some of the information that is out there, and to try and be fair I will use articles from various sources…….

1.  9 March: The Justice department refuses to deny or confirm that there was/is an investigation involving Trump or Trump Tower.  See first quote below.

2. As reported on 6 March, the FBI had an “incredulous: reaction to Trump’s Tweets about Trump Tower being wiretapped.  See the second quote below.

3.  9 March: It is now being reported that the FBI admits that in October it did tap a server that was connected to Trump Tower., but of course they did not read any emails or listen to any phone conversations…….See the third quote below. There are two links here.  The CNN story says there is NO Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant on the server, and that the FBI had no comment; however, the CNS link says that there was a warrant, but it does not say if it was a regular warrant or a FISA warrant.

So what will be revealed, admitted to, leaked, or compelled out next regarding the Trump Tower and wiretaps????? 

All of my previously posted questions regarding the Trump Tower wiretap still stand?

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Justice Dept. Declines to Back Claim Trump Is Not Under Investigation

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/justice-dept-declines-to-back-claim-trump-is-not-under-investigation/ar-AAo4OYm?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=LENDHP

The New York Times
By ERIC LICHTBLAU 4 hrs ago

WASHINGTON — With questions still swirling over President Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that he was wiretapped on orders of President Barack Obama, the Justice Department on Thursday declined to confirm statements a day earlier from the White House that Mr. Trump was not the target of a counterintelligence investigation………

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FBI head ‘incredulous’ at Trump wiretapping tweets: report

By Mark Hensch - 03/06/17 03:57 PM EST
 
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/322555-fbi-head-incredulous-at-trump-tweets-report

Third:
A.  FBI Monitored Server in Trump Tower, But ‘No Intercepts of Trump’s Phones or Emails’

By Craig Bannister | March 9, 2017 | 11:36 AM EST

 http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/report-fbi-monitored-trump-server-no-intercepts-trumps-phones-or-emails

The FBI briefly monitored a computer server in Trump, but found nothing illegal, according to a report by Circa.com that cites unnamed sources.

According to both Circa’s video and text reports, the officials say the FBI was checking to see if there were any suspicious computer communications with a Russian bank:
“Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to influence the election.”

“The brief counter-intelligence operation yielded no evidence of criminal activity by anyone on Team Trump.”  What’s more, the FBI did not intercept any phone conversations or emails:
“Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump’s phones or email.

The FBI obtained a court order before undertaking the operation, Circa reports……

B.  Sources: FBI investigation continues into 'odd' computer link between Russian bank and Trump Organization

By Pamela Brown and Jose Pagliery, CNN

Updated 2244 GMT (0644 HKT) March 9, 2017

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-investigation-continues-into-odd-computer-link-between-russian-bank-and-trump-organization/index.html

Sources: FBI investigates 'odd' computer link 08:27

(CNN)Federal investigators and computer scientists continue to examine whether there was a computer server connection between the Trump Organization and a Russian bank, sources close to the investigation tell CNN.

Questions about the possible connection were widely dismissed four months ago. But the FBI's investigation remains open, the sources said, and is in the hands of the FBI's counterintelligence team -- the same one looking into Russia's suspected interference in the 2016 election.

One U.S. official said investigators find the server relationship "odd" and are not ignoring it. But the official said there is still more work for the FBI to do. Investigators have not yet determined whether a connection would be significant.

The server issue surfaced again this weekend, mentioned in a Breitbart article that, according to a White House official, sparked President Trump's series of tweets accusing investigators of tapping his phone.

CNN is told there was no Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant on the server.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #236 on: March 10, 2017, 02:11:52 PM »
Interesting that you see the current American push towards globalism/hegemony etc as an ideology. I hadn't really thought of it that way.6

Google 'Wolfowitz doctrine'. Its what all White house administrations have been operating by since the early 90's.

Once you understand the goals behind the neocons, a lot of US foreign policy actions suddenly make sense.

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I consider it basically as what every other country is trying to do, only more so.

Excuses excuses. No, most countries aren't trying to take over and subvert all other governments to their agenda.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #237 on: March 10, 2017, 07:12:16 PM »
WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #238 on: March 10, 2017, 07:43:01 PM »
WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”


Has Trump called the FBI yet...to you know..ask them....because he is the President. Or does he wait until "news" pops up on Breitbart or his Twitter feed.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #239 on: March 10, 2017, 09:17:41 PM »
'Trump lies all the time': Bernie Sanders indicts president's assault on democracy

Bernie Sanders has launched a withering attack on Donald Trump, accusing him of being a pathological liar who is driving America towards authoritarianism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/10/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-lies-democracy