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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #220 on: March 10, 2017, 09:27:32 AM »
White House is now confirming that there is no evidence of any wiretapping of Trump.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/us/politics/white-house-trump-wiretap-obama.html

No dude. The NYT is NOT a credible source of information. These are the innuendo-crew who said there was a Trump wire tap. Now they say there was no wire tap. Thus proving themselves fake news. The end.



Ok so you are literally saying that Sean Spicer reading from a piece of paper is fake news. You guys just can't handle that you've been wildly whining about wiretaps for days now, and now you've suddenly been completely hoodwinked by your precious troll presidency.

WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #221 on: March 10, 2017, 09:32:46 AM »
When factoring in NATO, whatever marginal (and it is very marginal) edge Russia may or may not have with tanks or artillery, is more than made up for by the combined weight of the U.S., France, Spain, Britain, Italy, Germany, the Dutch, and Poland.


But you overlook that..

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Because defense is easier than attack, most attacking military forces require a 3:1 superiority ratio to have a reasonable shot at victory. The current ratio in the Baltics is more than 4:1, and NATO forces on the ground field considerably less firepower than their Russian counterparts.

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The Russian military could defeat NATO forces in the Baltics in just 60 hours
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a21344/us-claims-russia-could-defeat-nato-in-60-hours/


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Russia Defeats America in Every NATO War Game Scenario

Since mid-2014 the Pentagon has run all manner of war games – as many as 16 times, under different scenarios – pitting NATO against Russia. All scenarios were favorable to NATO. All simulations yielded the same victor: Russia.”
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You don't seem to realize that Russia has massively rebuilt its military in the past decade due to Washington's threats.

You're talking about a Baltics war scenario rather than a general conflict between NATO and Russia. That's a different matter. That's not just about military capability but also surprise, terrain, etc.

3:1 may not necessarily hold true anymore given advances in technology as the 3:1 ratio is a holdover from the days of the rifled musket. It might still hold true but it hasn't been truly tested for some time.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #222 on: March 10, 2017, 12:26:56 PM »
... The players might be the same (ish), but their roles have changed: they're now merchants, not fundamentalists.
I think you have it the wrong way round.

Russia dropped the ideology. Communism is dead: the former driver of Marxist expansionism that characterized the wars of the 1970's and 80's has gone. Russia is pursuing the free market, it's priority is simply to build its economy.
Well yes, that what I said. Apologies if I wasn't being clear.

Interesting that you see the current American push towards globalism/hegemony etc as an ideology. I hadn't really thought of it that way.

I consider it basically as what every other country is trying to do, only more so. Countries whose primary concern is politicking for influence and money can usually be negotiated with, and I don't think that the superpowers of the present -- any of them -- are beyond trading a little of that for a little of this.
Political extremism back in the 20th century was a lot like religious fundamentalism: it was "my way or the highway".
We might be heading back to that with the increasing polarization we're seeing now, but we're not there yet. Hopefully the current trend can be curbed soon by someone sane.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #223 on: March 10, 2017, 01:52:24 PM »
White House is now confirming that there is no evidence of any wiretapping of Trump.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/us/politics/white-house-trump-wiretap-obama.html


Ok so you are literally saying that Sean Spicer reading from a piece of paper is fake news. You guys just can't handle that you've been wildly whining about wiretaps for days now, and now you've suddenly been completely hoodwinked by your precious troll presidency.

WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”


I still cannot find in this Mobile NY Times article where it states that at this press briefing the White House said there was no wiretapping at Trump Tower. 

Let’s do a quick review of some of the information that is out there, and to try and be fair I will use articles from various sources…….

1.  9 March: The Justice department refuses to deny or confirm that there was/is an investigation involving Trump or Trump Tower.  See first quote below.

2. As reported on 6 March, the FBI had an “incredulous: reaction to Trump’s Tweets about Trump Tower being wiretapped.  See the second quote below.

3.  9 March: It is now being reported that the FBI admits that in October it did tap a server that was connected to Trump Tower., but of course they did not read any emails or listen to any phone conversations…….See the third quote below. There are two links here.  The CNN story says there is NO Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant on the server, and that the FBI had no comment; however, the CNS link says that there was a warrant, but it does not say if it was a regular warrant or a FISA warrant.

So what will be revealed, admitted to, leaked, or compelled out next regarding the Trump Tower and wiretaps????? 

All of my previously posted questions regarding the Trump Tower wiretap still stand?

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First:

Justice Dept. Declines to Back Claim Trump Is Not Under Investigation

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/justice-dept-declines-to-back-claim-trump-is-not-under-investigation/ar-AAo4OYm?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=LENDHP

The New York Times
By ERIC LICHTBLAU 4 hrs ago

WASHINGTON — With questions still swirling over President Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that he was wiretapped on orders of President Barack Obama, the Justice Department on Thursday declined to confirm statements a day earlier from the White House that Mr. Trump was not the target of a counterintelligence investigation………

Second:
 
FBI head ‘incredulous’ at Trump wiretapping tweets: report

By Mark Hensch - 03/06/17 03:57 PM EST
 
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/322555-fbi-head-incredulous-at-trump-tweets-report

Third:
A.  FBI Monitored Server in Trump Tower, But ‘No Intercepts of Trump’s Phones or Emails’

By Craig Bannister | March 9, 2017 | 11:36 AM EST

 http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/report-fbi-monitored-trump-server-no-intercepts-trumps-phones-or-emails

The FBI briefly monitored a computer server in Trump, but found nothing illegal, according to a report by Circa.com that cites unnamed sources.

According to both Circa’s video and text reports, the officials say the FBI was checking to see if there were any suspicious computer communications with a Russian bank:
“Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to influence the election.”

“The brief counter-intelligence operation yielded no evidence of criminal activity by anyone on Team Trump.”  What’s more, the FBI did not intercept any phone conversations or emails:
“Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump’s phones or email.

The FBI obtained a court order before undertaking the operation, Circa reports……

B.  Sources: FBI investigation continues into 'odd' computer link between Russian bank and Trump Organization

By Pamela Brown and Jose Pagliery, CNN

Updated 2244 GMT (0644 HKT) March 9, 2017

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-investigation-continues-into-odd-computer-link-between-russian-bank-and-trump-organization/index.html

Sources: FBI investigates 'odd' computer link 08:27

(CNN)Federal investigators and computer scientists continue to examine whether there was a computer server connection between the Trump Organization and a Russian bank, sources close to the investigation tell CNN.

Questions about the possible connection were widely dismissed four months ago. But the FBI's investigation remains open, the sources said, and is in the hands of the FBI's counterintelligence team -- the same one looking into Russia's suspected interference in the 2016 election.

One U.S. official said investigators find the server relationship "odd" and are not ignoring it. But the official said there is still more work for the FBI to do. Investigators have not yet determined whether a connection would be significant.

The server issue surfaced again this weekend, mentioned in a Breitbart article that, according to a White House official, sparked President Trump's series of tweets accusing investigators of tapping his phone.

CNN is told there was no Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant on the server.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #224 on: March 10, 2017, 02:11:52 PM »
Interesting that you see the current American push towards globalism/hegemony etc as an ideology. I hadn't really thought of it that way.6

Google 'Wolfowitz doctrine'. Its what all White house administrations have been operating by since the early 90's.

Once you understand the goals behind the neocons, a lot of US foreign policy actions suddenly make sense.

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I consider it basically as what every other country is trying to do, only more so.

Excuses excuses. No, most countries aren't trying to take over and subvert all other governments to their agenda.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #225 on: March 10, 2017, 07:12:16 PM »
WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #226 on: March 10, 2017, 07:43:01 PM »
WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”


Has Trump called the FBI yet...to you know..ask them....because he is the President. Or does he wait until "news" pops up on Breitbart or his Twitter feed.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #227 on: March 10, 2017, 09:17:41 PM »
'Trump lies all the time': Bernie Sanders indicts president's assault on democracy

Bernie Sanders has launched a withering attack on Donald Trump, accusing him of being a pathological liar who is driving America towards authoritarianism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/10/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-lies-democracy

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #228 on: March 10, 2017, 11:09:33 PM »
The establishment and elites of both parties want him to fail.  Also, his people are not all appointed.  Some of the people he has appointed from the establishment may have to eventually leave.  It's not easy to fight the system when the whole system is either all or mostly against you.  All I can say is many men wouldn't have the stomach to take on the system and many weaker men would have caved or buckled under pressure from all the nasty and mean spirited personal attacks.  He's taken a lot of abuse and a lot of hate.  We've never seen someone so tough to stand up to it in our lives.  The closest might have been Ronald Reagan, but the attacks and scrutiny he had to endure was light compared to what this President has had to endure.  The elites have been stirred up and they're angry.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #229 on: March 10, 2017, 11:31:29 PM »
Bernie Sanders is an establishment elite?

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« Reply #230 on: March 11, 2017, 02:01:05 AM »

I still cannot find in this Mobile NY Times article where it states that at this press briefing the White House said there was no wiretapping at Trump Tower. 
         

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WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower. It's a lot like dealing with a special needs student in your class.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”

Don't you get it?

You need to understand the dissonance of the Trump cult apologia here. For them there isn't a contradiction in the following statement.

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The report ruled out Trump being investigated but not a wire tapp[sic] of his building.

When one can't a make connection between notion of an investigation of an individual and the means by which that investigation takes place on the property of that individual then, in the mind of Trump cultist, there is plausible deniability. It's kind of like dealing with a special needs student. In this case highlighting the text or enlarging the font size might not work. You'll probably need to get out the crayons and use some pictures. I'd have a go at it myself but I've knocked off for the day.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #231 on: March 11, 2017, 02:06:20 AM »
WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”


Can you use a bigger font?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #232 on: March 11, 2017, 06:00:54 AM »
Can you use a bigger font?

Can you admit Trump is worse than Clinton?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #233 on: March 11, 2017, 06:09:06 AM »
Why does WikiLeaks never have anything bad to say about the Republicans or Russia?

Why aren't Donald Trump's finances public knowledge? Why are his tax returns a mystery?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #234 on: March 11, 2017, 07:47:59 AM »
WASHINGTON — White House officials declared on Wednesday that President Trump was not the target of an investigation, five days after Mr. Trump himself raised the prospect with an unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower.

But after an aide slipped Mr. Spicer a note, he circled back to clarify that “there is no reason to believe there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.”



Based on this logic then the Watergate break-in must have been part of an official investigation……

Or, if there is no official investigation then the break-in never happened, right?  Or, did they have a search warrant?

Also, remember we are talking about the wiretapping of Trump Tower.  See Trump’s Tweets. 

And, what about Justice refusing to say that there is no investigation?

And, what about this server?

My wiretapping questions still stand.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #235 on: March 11, 2017, 03:01:58 PM »
I didn't say they were equally bad. Just that they were both bad.
What's the old axiom?
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #236 on: March 11, 2017, 05:24:00 PM »
Interesting analysis of the 2016 campaign.  Some excerpts:

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2016 Election Study Published

Wesleyan Media Project shares lessons, analysis from 2016 election cycle

http://mediaproject.wesleyan.edu/blog/2016-election-study-published/

(MIDDLETOWN, CT) March 6, 2017 – The 2016 presidential campaign broke the mold when it comes to patterns of political advertising. But, in a new publication, the Wesleyan Media Project directors say “Not so fast” to those who argue that advertising no longer matters in elections.

The article published in The Forum: A Journal of Applied Research in Contemporary Politics (open access through mid-April 2017) shows that the presidential race featured far less advertising than the previous cycle, a huge imbalance in the number of ads across candidates, and one candidate who almost ignored discussions of policy. Yet, at the congressional level, political advertising appeared far more ordinary. The authors share lessons about advertising in the 2016 campaign, and argue that its seeming lack of effectiveness may owe to the unusual nature of the presidential campaign with one nonconventional candidate and the other using an unconventional message strategy.

Furthermore, the authors demonstrate that:

1) Clinton’s unexpected losses came in states in which she failed to air ads until the last week.

2) Clinton’s message was devoid of policy discussions in a way not seen in the previous four presidential contests. 

Other big lessons drawn in the paper include:
•   The impact of advertising may depend on the larger media environment and knowledge of the candidates. Ie. It’s much more difficult for advertising to have an impact in a media environment that is saturated with sensational media coverage of the campaign—and of two already well-known candidates—but that does not mean that all advertising fails to work.
•   Message matters, and a message repeated endlessly does no good unless it resonates with a sufficient number of the right voters. Team Clinton’s message that Trump was unfit for the presidency may not have been enough.
•   What happens at the presidential level does not always follow down ballot.


                       
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #237 on: March 11, 2017, 05:27:03 PM »
I really do hope the media takes a look at itself.  This is a good read.

In addition, I do agree with his statement that what is happening politically today, although definitely thought-provoking, is not at the same level as we saw in 1968….

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  “We have been down these roads before. I am not underplaying where we are at today, but historically, was there a time that makes right now look like a nice walk through Central Park, 1968, 1970, 1972,” he said.

NBC News chairman: ‘Big changes’ needed in coverage of polling
By Alex Weprin
03/08/17 03:08 PM EST

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/03/nbc-news-chairman-big-changes-needed-in-coverage-of-polling-235835

NBC News chairman Andy Lack says that the news network is reevaluating how it covered the 2016 election, and plans to make significant changes to how it covers future elections. In particular, Lack cited problems with polling in many states and said that the lack of reporters in the field in states like Michigan and Ohio may have contributed to some of its mistakes.

“We didn’t get this election right, news organizations, we didn’t know that night how wrong or how close it was. I don’t know anyone who thought at 6 o’clock in the evening it was going to go down that way,” Lack said during an interview at the IESE Business School in New York on Wednesday…….       






                     
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #238 on: March 11, 2017, 06:03:02 PM »
I really do hope the media takes a look at itself. 


The one-sided coverage of the election was no accident. Reflection by individual journalists will not fix it.


The problem is that mainstream media is owned by the oligarchs. 80+ % of American media outlets are have become concentrated into the hands of a tiny handful of elites. This was started by bill Clinton (another neocon).
It has become a propaganda ministry for the globalists.

The same shadowy elites have also corrupted the media of Europe. The BBC was bought off by EU to give a one-sided brexit coverage. They're still doing it. There is not a significant journalist in Europe that is not on the payroll of the CIA. If you don't believe me, read this for example:

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Journalists for Hire: How the CIA buys the news
Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, a former editor for the German main daily newspaper, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), has first hand knowledge of how the CIA and German Intelligence (BND) bribe journalists to write articles free of truth, facts, and with a decidedly pro-Western, pro-NATO bent or, in other words, propaganda. In his bestselling book Bought Journalists ("Gekaufte Journalisten"), Dr. Ulfkotte explains in great detail the workings of the US and NATO’s propaganda campaign and how a lack of compliance with it, on the part of a journalist, can cost a career. Dr. Ulfkotte also provides a wealth of names! Journalist for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News is the English translation of Dr. Ulfkotte’s bestselling book.
https://www.amazon.com/Journalists-Hire-How-Buys-News/dp/1944505458

The author was recently found dead in mysterious circumstances.

Long-term, you can't really fight misinformation on such a large and persistent scale.

Nothing will change until Trump or someone manages to break the power of the media mafia.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #239 on: March 11, 2017, 06:40:38 PM »
That's an interpretation.

He died of a heart attack.

Here are his words:

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Q: According to what you’ve said, journalists are corrupted surreptitiously, by inviting them for all-expense-paid trips to the US. But do serious professionals really sell themselves for so little?

UU: When you fly to the US again and again and never have to pay for anything there, and you’re invited to interview American politicians, you’re moving closer and closer to the circles of power. And you want to remain within this circle of the elite, so you write to please them. Everyone wants to be a celebrity journalist who gets exclusive access to famous politicians.

Not exactly the same as being on the payroll of the CIA.