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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1920 on: June 18, 2018, 12:15:22 PM »
Supporting racism under the guise of free speech--what a surprise.

I also support the construction and display of statues mocking Confederates in explicitly graphic terms. By your logic, I support anti-racism.

However, in my view, I support free speech and think that our laws are clear- We can regulate time, place, and manner, but not content or viewpoint.

If your side is so insecure about being able to win this battle in the free marketplace of ideas, that says something. I for one believe that the anti-racists can win and that getting 'even' or getting 'funny' is a much better tactic than saying free speech for their side but not for anyone else.

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Kim got a stand-up triple and trumpy is arguing with the ump that it was a foul ball while replay clearly shows it was fair. trump is protesting the game on grounds it's provocative and a waste of money.

It's a 9 inning game. Even if you think Kim got a standup triple instead of a single (everything we promised is reversible, and the "prestige" argument is ridiculous anti-Trump schpiel), it's still the 1st inning.

I'm sorry you and your side thinks the game is over in the 1st inning. That probably explains why you lost to Trump. While your side was focusing on small "wins" and "losses" of little significance, Trump was building an election winner.

Your side predicted Trump would never get the nomination, that he'd get creamed in the election, that he would start nuclear war, and that our economy would collapse. Not a good track record as far as prediction goes.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1921 on: June 18, 2018, 12:37:31 PM »

Didn't this policy begin under Obama? Or even before then?


Not quite.

While immigration has been criminalized to different degrees throughout history...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/10/sessions-is-criminalizing-immigration-violations-that-upends-centuries-of-history/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3cb791cca182

It's only a recent policy that seeks to separate children from their parents...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/21/us/trump-immigrant-families-separate.html?_r=0


It honestly seems more like an issue with Jeff Session's hateboner for immigrants than anything to do with how Trump feels about things, though it's discouraging that Trump seems to be fine using it as a political negotiation tactic.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1922 on: June 18, 2018, 03:25:21 PM »
the "prestige" argument is ridiculous anti-Trump schpiel),

It simply isn't.  Saying it is is nothing other than pro-Trump nonsense.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1923 on: June 18, 2018, 11:26:11 PM »
Supporting racism under the guise of free speech--what a surprise.

I also support the construction and display of statues mocking Confederates in explicitly graphic terms. By your logic, I support anti-racism.

However, in my view, I support free speech and think that our laws are clear- We can regulate time, place, and manner, but not content or viewpoint.

If your side is so insecure about being able to win this battle in the free marketplace of ideas, that says something. I for one believe that the anti-racists can win and that getting 'even' or getting 'funny' is a much better tactic than saying free speech for their side but not for anyone else.

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Kim got a stand-up triple and trumpy is arguing with the ump that it was a foul ball while replay clearly shows it was fair. trump is protesting the game on grounds it's provocative and a waste of money.

It's a 9 inning game. Even if you think Kim got a standup triple instead of a single (everything we promised is reversible, and the "prestige" argument is ridiculous anti-Trump schpiel), it's still the 1st inning.

I'm sorry you and your side thinks the game is over in the 1st inning. That probably explains why you lost to Trump. While your side was focusing on small "wins" and "losses" of little significance, Trump was building an election winner.

Your side predicted Trump would never get the nomination, that he'd get creamed in the election, that he would start nuclear war, and that our economy would collapse. Not a good track record as far as prediction goes.
BS on supporting hypothetical anti-confederate statues.  "The free marketplace of ideas" is utter nonsense. Money talks and conservatives like the kochs, mellons and coors are spending billions yearly to push right-wing ideology.

"My side"--repugnican thinking in a nutshell.

trumpy has declared again and again that NK nuclearization is a done deal. Yet you (and he) contradict that.

bone spurs lost the popular vote. He won due to the electoral college tilt to rural states and by energizing folks who don't normally vote. Research shows them to be fundamentally racist. ms-13 is the new willie horton.

The prestige argument is very real. How long have you lived in SK? You must have noticed, at least a bit, their desperation to be recognized internationally. NK is no different. Face, can you dig it?

Strike out!

 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1924 on: June 19, 2018, 06:55:05 AM »
the "prestige" argument is ridiculous anti-Trump schpiel),

It simply isn't.  Saying it is is nothing other than pro-Trump nonsense.

Before that the rest of the world viewed North Korea with deep distrust and suspicion. After that it's the same.

Before that inside North Korea you cheered for Kim or were shot. After that, it's the same.

Nothing changed simply by meeting. Get a clue.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1925 on: June 19, 2018, 11:19:25 AM »

Who is giving us the idea that it was win all over?  Trump

Who is bleating that NK's nuclear threat is 'over'?  Trump

Who is telling people to 'sleep well tonight'?  Trump

If that isn't a sign that the meeting 'changed' everything, then I don't know what does.

People would be happy to let the thing go, except for the one guy who makes it all about him.  Get a clue.

What should Trump say?

"We have a long tedious process of many years ahead of us. Let's be lukewarm about it."

Or maybe "We have a framework, but I bet this all ends up a big fat waste of time"

Of course not. He should demonstrate a desire for the deal to work and extend a hand towards Kim to join the rest of the world.

Your criticism is hollow. Trump could go right, left, up or down and you'd say it's wrong no matter what. It's just reflexive anti-trumpism and it's not based on any objective standards.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1926 on: June 19, 2018, 11:29:41 AM »

Who is giving us the idea that it was win all over?  Trump

Who is bleating that NK's nuclear threat is 'over'?  Trump

Who is telling people to 'sleep well tonight'?  Trump

If that isn't a sign that the meeting 'changed' everything, then I don't know what does.

People would be happy to let the thing go, except for the one guy who makes it all about him.  Get a clue.

What should Trump say?

"We have a long tedious process of many years ahead of us. Let's be lukewarm about it."

Or maybe "We have a framework, but I bet this all ends up a big fat waste of time"

Of course not. He should demonstrate a desire for the deal to work and extend a hand towards Kim to join the rest of the world.

Your criticism is hollow. Trump could go right, left, up or down and you'd say it's wrong no matter what. It's just reflexive anti-trumpism and it's not based on any objective standards.
That's a complete and utter falsehood.

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Another common reason why people indulge in lying is to improve their image or save face. They constantly wish to portray themselves as good, polite, successful, etc., in short, possessing all positive human qualities. Exaggeration and bluffing are two other types of lies, and methods adopted by people to impress or mislead others.

That shoes seems to fit you perfectly,sir. Should I ring it up for you?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1927 on: June 19, 2018, 04:31:51 PM »
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President Trump and two members of his cabinet mounted an aggressive defense on Monday of his policy of separating children from their parents at the border in response to a growing outcry from members of both parties.

“They could be murderers and thieves and so much else,” Mr. Trump said of the people crossing the border. “We want a safe country, and it starts with the borders, and that’s the way it is.”

On Tuesday, Mr. Trump is scheduled to go to Capitol Hill to address House Republicans, who are planning to vote on two immigration measures this week. In a Twitter post, Mr. Trump repeated his running blame of Democratic policies — “CHANGE THE LAWS!”

But no law actually requires that families be separated at the border.

Words fail again, especially with ridiculous line that it is a Democrat law, that he keeps repeating.   :rolleyes:  And to have a go at Merkel with a complete pile of crap tweet.  Winz all around.

He could, you know, issue an Executive Order. He loves showing those off.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1928 on: June 19, 2018, 07:51:38 PM »
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There are 11 million unauthorized immigrants in this country. Every past administration has used some discretion in targeting whom to deport. They targeted those who were destroying society, not building it. They tried to take account of particular contexts, and they tried to show some sense of basic humanity.

But today, discretion and humanity are being stamped out. The Trump administration has embraced a “zero tolerance” policy. In practice that means that all complexity has to be reduced to uniformity. Compassion is replaced by a blind obedience to regulations. Context is irrelevant. Arrests are indiscriminate. All that matters is that the arrest numbers go up, so human beings in the system are reduced to numbers.

What’s most significant is this: The Trump administration immigration officials have become exactly the kind of monsters that conservatism has always warned against.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1929 on: June 20, 2018, 11:34:58 AM »
Apparently Ivanka whispered to her father that the optics of Trump Concentration Camps are not good politically.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1930 on: June 20, 2018, 11:55:01 AM »
"When countries abuse us by sending their people up (not their best) we're not going to give anymore aid to those countries. Why the hell should we?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZjL8MxqUHE&t=80

An American president puts America first. That's the way it should be.



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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1931 on: June 20, 2018, 09:23:19 PM »
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The false claims come as the president — emboldened by fewer disciplinarians inside the West Wing — indulges in frequent Twitter screeds. A Washington Post analysis found that in June, Trump has been tweeting at the fastest rate of his presidency so far, an average of 11.3 messages per day.

Inside the White House, aides and advisers say they believe the media is unwilling to give Trump a fair shot and is knee-jerk ready to accuse him of lying, even in cases where the facts support his point.

The president often seeks to paint a self-serving and self-affirming alternate reality for himself and his supporters. Disparaging the “fake news” media, Trump offers his own filter through which to view the world — offering a competing reality on issues including relationships forged (or broken) at the Group of Seven summit in Canada, the success of the Singapore summit with the North Koreans, and his administration’s  “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration.

“It’s extraordinary how he is completely indifferent to truth. There’s just no relationship between his statements — anything he utters — and the actual truth of the matter,” said Thomas Murray, president emeritus of the Hastings Center, the founding institution in the field of bioethics. “As far as I can tell, the best way to understand anything he says is what will best serve his interests in the moment. It’s irrespective to any version of the truth.”

According to an analysis by The Post’s Fact Checker through the end of May, Trump had made 3,251 false or misleading claims in 497 days — an average of 6.5 such claims per day of his presidency.

And within the past week, Trump seems to have ramped up both the volume and the intensity of his false statements on two of the most prominent topics currently facing his administration: the hard-line immigration policy that has led to the separation of thousands of children from their parents — which Trump erroneously blames on others — and the 500-page inspector general report that he claims, incorrectly, exonerates him in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Bella DePaulo, a psychology researcher at the University of California at Santa Barbara, said Trump’s use of repetition is a particularly effective technique for convincing his supporters of the veracity of his false claims, in part because most people have a “truth bias,” or an initial inclination to accept what others say as true.

“When liars repeat the same lie over and over again, they can get even more of an advantage, at least among those who want to believe them or are not all that motivated either way,” DePaulo said in an email. “So when people hear the same lies over and over again — especially when they want to believe those lies — a kind of new reality can be created. What they’ve heard starts to seem like it’s just obvious, and not something that needs to be questioned.”

On immigration, Trump and many top administration officials have said that existing U.S. laws and court rulings have given them no choice but to separate families trying to cross illegally into the United States. But it is the administration’s decision, announced in April, to prosecute all southern border crossings that has led to the separation of families.

That hasn’t stopped the president from blaming Democrats for his administration’s decisions. “Democrats are the problem,” Trump wrote in one tweet. In another, he was even more blunt: “The Democrats are forcing the breakup of families at the Border with their horrible and cruel legislative agenda,” he wrote.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-trump-seems-to-be-saying-more-and-more-things-that-arent-true/2018/06/19/c1bb8af6-73d5-11e8-805c-4b67019fcfe4_story.html?utm_term=.73bc533d593d

I get the feeling that the increase in crap flowing from Trump, is the tactic to flood the news full of bollocks as there is something big coming up that he has to drown out.  Something Bannon always recommended doing.
Yep. That and the big lie. Keep telling it until people believe it.

Thankfully much of the media is not buying into it and reporting his statements with the caveat that they are false.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1932 on: June 21, 2018, 06:52:31 AM »
Ending Democratic Party cruelty (singlehandedly!) should bolster his Nobel ambitions~

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1933 on: June 21, 2018, 08:00:27 AM »
He could, you know, issue an Executive Order. He loves showing those off.

Hey presto!!!  An executive order!!  Nothing to do with the Democrat's law, then is it Don?  After 500 days, you are no closer to getting that wall built with the Mexicans paying for it.  Although, 25 billion of your own money is quite a lot really that could be used, you know, for something more useful like healthcare or fixing some of America's other obvious ills.

Must be killing him to have caved into public opinion.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1934 on: June 21, 2018, 08:48:42 AM »
He could, you know, issue an Executive Order. He loves showing those off.

Hey presto!!!  An executive order!!  Nothing to do with the Democrat's law, then is it Don?  After 500 days, you are no closer to getting that wall built with the Mexicans paying for it.  Although, 25 billion of your own money is quite a lot really that could be used, you know, for something more useful like healthcare or fixing some of America's other obvious ills.

The Left:

Trump is a wannabe dictator.

Why doesn't Trump just use executive orders???

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1935 on: June 21, 2018, 11:08:05 AM »
He could, you know, issue an Executive Order. He loves showing those off.

Hey presto!!!  An executive order!!  Nothing to do with the Democrat's law, then is it Don?  After 500 days, you are no closer to getting that wall built with the Mexicans paying for it.  Although, 25 billion of your own money is quite a lot really that could be used, you know, for something more useful like healthcare or fixing some of America's other obvious ills.

Must be killing him to have caved into public opinion.
News is that his Mickey D's order was triple its normal size. He's drowning his sorrows in vanilla milk shakes.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1936 on: June 21, 2018, 11:09:18 AM »
He could, you know, issue an Executive Order. He loves showing those off.

Hey presto!!!  An executive order!!  Nothing to do with the Democrat's law, then is it Don?  After 500 days, you are no closer to getting that wall built with the Mexicans paying for it.  Although, 25 billion of your own money is quite a lot really that could be used, you know, for something more useful like healthcare or fixing some of America's other obvious ills.

The Left:

Trump is a wannabe dictator.

Why doesn't Trump just use executive orders???
He didn't need an executive order to rescind HIS policy. That was just to save face.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1937 on: June 21, 2018, 04:05:29 PM »
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1938 on: June 21, 2018, 04:16:40 PM »
He could, you know, issue an Executive Order. He loves showing those off.

Hey presto!!!  An executive order!!  Nothing to do with the Democrat's law, then is it Don?  After 500 days, you are no closer to getting that wall built with the Mexicans paying for it.  Although, 25 billion of your own money is quite a lot really that could be used, you know, for something more useful like healthcare or fixing some of America's other obvious ills.

The Left:

Trump is a wannabe dictator.

Why doesn't Trump just use executive orders???
He didn't need an executive order to rescind HIS policy. That was just to save face.

Yeah! But it had to be about him.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1939 on: June 22, 2018, 11:46:14 PM »
The international community is taking trump to task for human rights violations.

Remember when it used to be the other way around?

Interesting trump comparison:

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Everyone laughed when the North Korean news agency reported that the late Dear Leader, Kim Jong-il, scored five holes-in-one while playing a round of golf. But how is this any different from Trump saying this week that crime is “way up” in Germany when it just recorded the lowest year for crime in nearly three decades? Who is left to call him on this? The press, which he’s labeled the “enemy of the American people”?

In North Korea, the masses are forced to believe the lies, something Trump clearly envies. “He speaks and his people sit up in attention,” he said of Kim Jong-un. “I want my people to do the same.”