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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1560 on: March 12, 2018, 08:49:52 AM »
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Trump, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, "will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined." But, Sanders added, "in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain."

Earlier Thursday, Chung announced that Trump would meet with Kim to "continue the goal of denuclearization."

Kim "expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible," Chung said. "President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong Un by May to achieve permanent denuclearization."

Kim, according to Chung, understands that joint military exercises between South Korea and the U.S. would continue. The North Korean leader, according to recent talks with Chung, also claimed to be "commited to denuclearization."

"He (Kim) pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear missile tests," Chung said, adding that Trump's "leadership" and "maximum pressure" brought us "to this juncture."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-kim-summit-plan-draws-positive-reactions-from-key-players.html

Wow, another big win for Trump. He kept up the pressure and called Kim's bluff. Now North Korea is willing to work towards denuclearization and halt its missile tests while being aware that the US and South Korea will continue their joint military exercises.

I wonder how the haters will try to spin this.

You clearly don't understand how North Korea works. Not surprising at all.

Heres a hint:  Yer boy is being played hard, as is Moon.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1561 on: March 12, 2018, 09:09:15 AM »
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1562 on: March 12, 2018, 02:34:22 PM »
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Trump, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, "will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined." But, Sanders added, "in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain."

Earlier Thursday, Chung announced that Trump would meet with Kim to "continue the goal of denuclearization."

Kim "expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible," Chung said. "President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong Un by May to achieve permanent denuclearization."

Kim, according to Chung, understands that joint military exercises between South Korea and the U.S. would continue. The North Korean leader, according to recent talks with Chung, also claimed to be "commited to denuclearization."

"He (Kim) pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear missile tests," Chung said, adding that Trump's "leadership" and "maximum pressure" brought us "to this juncture."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-kim-summit-plan-draws-positive-reactions-from-key-players.html

Wow, another big win for Trump. He kept up the pressure and called Kim's bluff. Now North Korea is willing to work towards denuclearization and halt its missile tests while being aware that the US and South Korea will continue their joint military exercises.

I wonder how the haters will try to spin this.
I'm not sure about the "haters", but the real-world-dwellers will recognize that this is a big win for Kim Jong-un and an embarrassment for the US.  Kim has achieved a PR coup that will play in DPRK for the next ten years as "See? We are real players on the stage, equals with with the United States, thanks to the magnificence of our leader and his steely resolve to forward our nuclear program."  American leaders for decades have realized that this recognition is what DPRK wants and has always imposed conditions on sitting down with the US President. 

Unbelievably, CIA Director Mike Pompeo described as a major concession from the North that "he's allowed us to continue our exercises on the peninsula."  Absolutely pathetic!  You call this winning? 

Meanwhile, US allies in the region are wondering what the hell is going on.  He regularly insults and picks fights with our allies, and sucks up to our enemies, particularly the most authoritarian of them.

Further, I will be very surprised if this summit actually occurs, and like every other sane person feel pretty certain that it will not lead to denuking the peninsula.  The best chance we had for that was in the early 2000s after careful work by Bush 1 and Clinton administrations was squandered by another tough-talking know-nothing in the WH.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1563 on: March 12, 2018, 07:34:47 PM »
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Trump, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, "will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined." But, Sanders added, "in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain."

Earlier Thursday, Chung announced that Trump would meet with Kim to "continue the goal of denuclearization."

Kim "expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible," Chung said. "President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong Un by May to achieve permanent denuclearization."

Kim, according to Chung, understands that joint military exercises between South Korea and the U.S. would continue. The North Korean leader, according to recent talks with Chung, also claimed to be "commited to denuclearization."

"He (Kim) pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear missile tests," Chung said, adding that Trump's "leadership" and "maximum pressure" brought us "to this juncture."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-kim-summit-plan-draws-positive-reactions-from-key-players.html

Wow, another big win for Trump. He kept up the pressure and called Kim's bluff. Now North Korea is willing to work towards denuclearization and halt its missile tests while being aware that the US and South Korea will continue their joint military exercises.

I wonder how the haters will try to spin this.

You clearly don't understand how North Korea works. Not surprising at all.

Heres a hint:  Yer boy is being played hard, as is Moon.
North Korea has a history of breaking their promises and wanting something for nothing. But this time they're dealing with someone who does know how to negotiate. You might want to remind yourself of who wrote The Art of the Deal.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1565 on: March 13, 2018, 07:06:57 AM »
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Donald Trump, who last month chided fellow Republicans for being “petrified” of the National Rifle Association (NRA), is under growing pressure after seemingly caving in to the powerful gun lobby group’s demands.

The US president on Sunday backed away from raising the minimum age for gun purchases from 18 to 21, one of several measures he initially supported after the mass shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida, on 14 February.

The proposal was notably absent from a modest set of Trump administration plans for school safety released over the weekend, which closely aligned with NRA positions. They include training teachers to carry guns in schools, a fiercely controversial idea already in place in some states.

Sarah Sanders, the White House press secretary, insisted on Monday that the president has not abandoned some of the more radical changes but is focused on measures that can get through Congress straight away.

“Right now the president’s primary focus is on pushing through things that we know have broad bipartisan support or things that we can do from an administrative perspective, that we can do immediately,” she said. “But we haven’t let go of some of those other things that we’re going to continue to review and look at.”

Asked if there was a single thing in the proposals that was not supported by the NRA, she replied: “The president still has, in this plan, the age limit increase and that is part of one of the things that will be reviewed on what the best path forward is on that front, whether it can be done at a federal level or whether it needs to be done on a state-by-state basis.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/12/trump-pressure-nra-gun-control-parkland

Are we at all surprised that Trump said something and then did something else, or in this case, something well short of what was needed? 

The bolded part is particularly interesting or disgusting if you look at...

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The National Rifle Association (NRA) filed a federal lawsuit over gun control legislation on Friday, just hours after Florida’s governor Rick Scott signed it into law.

Lawyers for the NRA want a federal judge to block the new age-restriction on buying a gun – raised to 21 from 18 – from taking effect, saying it violates the second amendment.

The new legislation raises the minimum age to buy a firearm from 18 to 21, extends a three-day waiting period for handgun purchases to include long guns, and bans bump stocks that allow guns to mimic fully automatic fire. It also creates a so-called “guardian” program that enables teachers and other school employees to carry handguns.

But it marked, for a Republican governor, a rare break with the National Rifle Association. Marion Hammer, the NRA’s Florida lobbyist, called the bill “a display of bullying and coercion”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/09/florida-governor-gun-control-bill-teachers

What a truly despicable, disgusting organisation.  Although it dropped short of what the families wanted, raising the age, having a three-day waiting period etc, it is still a start.  But the NRA wants it stopped.   :rolleyes:

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1566 on: March 13, 2018, 07:57:10 AM »
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North Korea has a history of breaking their promises and wanting something for nothing. But this time they're dealing with someone who does know how to negotiate. You might want to remind yourself of who wrote The Art of the Deal.

You may also want to remind yourself of who wrote it and watch Life Improvement's video.

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Trump responded with conflicting stories, saying "I had a lot of choice of who to have write the book, and I chose [Schwartz]", but then said "[Schwartz] didn't write the book. I wrote the book."[4] Former Random House head Howard Kaminsky, the book's original publisher, said "Trump didn’t write a postcard for us!"[4] The book was published in November 1987 by Random House, with the authorship given as "Donald Trump with Tony Schwartz".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump:_The_Art_of_the_Deal

This is a real gem:

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In 1988, Trump set up the Donald J. Trump Foundation to give away royalties from the book's sales, promising four or five million dollars "To the homeless, to Vietnam veterans, for AIDS, multiple sclerosis" in Trump's words. According to a Washington Post investigation those donations largely did not happen: the paper said "he gave less to those causes than he did to his older daughter's ballet school." The Washington Post asked Trump's campaign if Trump had donated the $55,000 Trump earned in the first six months of 2016 to charity, as he promised in the 1980s, and it did not respond.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1567 on: March 13, 2018, 11:37:11 AM »
I'm not sure about the "haters", but the real-world-dwellers will recognize that this is a big win for Kim Jong-un and an embarrassment for the US.  Kim has achieved a PR coup that will play in DPRK for the next ten years as "See? We are real players on the stage, equals with with the United States, thanks to the magnificence of our leader and his steely resolve to forward our nuclear program."  American leaders for decades have realized that this recognition is what DPRK wants and has always imposed conditions on sitting down with the US President. 

Unbelievably, CIA Director Mike Pompeo described as a major concession from the North that "he's allowed us to continue our exercises on the peninsula."  Absolutely pathetic!  You call this winning? 

Meanwhile, US allies in the region are wondering what the hell is going on.  He regularly insults and picks fights with our allies, and sucks up to our enemies, particularly the most authoritarian of them.

Further, I will be very surprised if this summit actually occurs, and like every other sane person feel pretty certain that it will not lead to denuking the peninsula.  The best chance we had for that was in the early 2000s after careful work by Bush 1 and Clinton administrations was squandered by another tough-talking know-nothing in the WH.

I think it was squandered because the Norks realized we weren't going to do anything to stop them and went ahead. I blame Clinton-Bush-Obama for that, although 'blame' might be too strong. Each tried their best, but it didn't work. They made rational decisions and each tried their own approaches, it just didn't work out. We'll see with Trump.

As far as "giving them recognition and prestige", that seems a pretty weak argument to me. I think North Korea detonating multiple nuclear devices has given them recognition and prestige. Meeting with Trump isn't going to change things in any real sense.

Now, I'm not saying that this thing is all wrapped up and Trump has won. Far from it. North Korea could easily be playing us again and this could all collapse. I think the best thing going forward would be...pessimistic optimism with a side of realism?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1568 on: March 14, 2018, 03:05:05 PM »
Well, Saccone 'Trump before Trump' that went well. 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1569 on: March 15, 2018, 06:12:04 AM »
Russia carries out a chemical attack on ex-Russian spies in GB and President Trump STILL hasn't come out against an attack on our strongest ally.

Mr. D, care to comment?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1570 on: March 15, 2018, 06:56:21 AM »
Russia carries out a chemical attack on ex-Russian spies in GB and President Trump STILL hasn't come out against an attack on our strongest ally.

Mr. D, care to comment?

It just defies belief.  Nothing really should be shocking about what Trump does, but he still finds a way to do the most stupid thing.  Tillerson spoke out against the Russians, now he's gone.  Fired by Twitter, I mean come on.  Which possible respected organisation would fire someone on Twitter?  I found the whole thing ridiculous.  'Yeh, he knew last week that he was going to be fired'.  Where is Tillerson?  In Africa. Doesn't sound like someone who knew he was going to be fired.  Then we get the truth from the White House aide Steve Goldstein who truthfully contradicted the White House's official line.  Goldstein is then fired.  Trump still thinks he's on tv?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1571 on: March 15, 2018, 10:07:21 AM »
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Russia carries out a chemical attack on ex-Russian spies in GB and President Trump STILL hasn't come out against an attack on our strongest ally.

Mr. D, care to comment?

Let's make a prediction... Will it be 1, 2, or 3?

1. "Trump's supporters know that his alliances are only as deep as the personal flattery that foreign leaders are willing to lay on him, and that he makes dangerously impulsive foreign policy proclamations on the fly. Nobody forced Hillary to spend insufficient time and money campaigning in Michigan."

2. "Someone vaguely associated with Bernie Sanders has also been silent on this issue. Trump supporters don't care that they elected someone whose campaign was managed by a money laundering crook who indirectly worked for a foreign government trying to undermine American democracy. SJWs are really annoying on Twitter, you know. Stop comparing Trump to Hitler."

3. "Trump voters enjoy his amorality, his lying, his inarticulacy, his fawning over strongman authoritarians, his religious hypocrisy, his nepotism, his inability to hire and retain competent staff, and his constantly shifting policy positions because they might get lower taxes and a border wall. So I'm willing to reserve my judgment until we see how this thing plays out."

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1572 on: March 15, 2018, 01:04:56 PM »
Russia carries out a chemical attack on ex-Russian spies in GB and President Trump STILL hasn't come out against an attack on our strongest ally.

Mr. D, care to comment?

He did say that pending American analysis of the intel, if it turns out to be Russia, he would condemn Russia.

What's he supposed to do? Boot out every Russian? Bomb Syria? Does no one stop and ask how things got this bad in the first place?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1573 on: March 15, 2018, 11:12:41 PM »
You are blind as a bat, man. I can't begin to name the people Trump blasts on Twitter (including foreign leaders) for the dumbest shit while Putin literally carries out a chemical attack on British soil and we've heard no such condemnation via twitter by the president. And yet you still make excuses.

If Obama was this weak in the face of Russian aggression he'd been eaten alive.

If Obama paid off a porn star he'd been eaten alive. P.s. that could be another way he could be brought down. Campaign finance laws were potentially broken. Not to mention the party of family values now,look up to a man who is the exact opposite of said idea.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1574 on: March 16, 2018, 06:54:07 AM »
You are blind as a bat, man. I can't begin to name the people Trump blasts on Twitter (including foreign leaders) for the dumbest shit while Putin literally carries out a chemical attack on British soil and we've heard no such condemnation via twitter by the president. And yet you still make excuses.

That is the thing with Martin, it's either black or white.  Everything or nothing.  We don't need a war in Syria or booting out all Russians.  Even the horrible Nikki Haley pointed the finger at Russia, why can't Trump mention Russia in the same sentence as condemning them outright and blaming them for the attack.  Using 'probably' is not enough.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1575 on: March 16, 2018, 11:41:31 AM »
If Obama was this weak in the face of Russian aggression he'd been eaten alive.

If Obama paid off a porn star he'd been eaten alive. P.s. that could be another way he could be brought down. Campaign finance laws were potentially broken. Not to mention the party of family values now,look up to a man who is the exact opposite of said idea.
Trump and Obama ran on different platforms and different promises. The Republican platform specifically excluded escalation with Russia. Maybe you are eager to go to the brink of war with Russia over South Ossetia, I am not. I really don't give a crap what Russia does in its sphere sort of outright invasion and conquering. People over there have a different rule system and way of getting things done.

Trump didn't run as Mr. Clean. He basically ran as a slimeball. That's why he gets away with paying off a porn star. Hr may not believe in Republican policies, but thus far he has shown he is willing to fight for them in a way that perhaps people who DID believe in it were unwilling to do.

Lastly, do you really buy the Obama as a Saint crap? I thought he was a good president, but lets face it, the man had no problem ordering drone strikes and using the government to do some really shady stuff. The way I see things, Obama and Trump are like a 'good cop, bad cop' kind of act.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1576 on: March 16, 2018, 01:18:43 PM »
If Obama was this weak in the face of Russian aggression he'd been eaten alive.

If Obama paid off a porn star he'd been eaten alive. P.s. that could be another way he could be brought down. Campaign finance laws were potentially broken. Not to mention the party of family values now,look up to a man who is the exact opposite of said idea.
Trump and Obama ran on different platforms and different promises. The Republican platform specifically excluded escalation with Russia. Maybe you are eager to go to the brink of war with Russia over South Ossetia, I am not. I really don't give a crap what Russia does in its sphere sort of outright invasion and conquering. People over there have a different rule system and way of getting things done.

Trump didn't run as Mr. Clean. He basically ran as a slimeball. That's why he gets away with paying off a porn star. Hr may not believe in Republican policies, but thus far he has shown he is willing to fight for them in a way that perhaps people who DID believe in it were unwilling to do.

Lastly, do you really buy the Obama as a Saint crap? I thought he was a good president, but lets face it, the man had no problem ordering drone strikes and using the government to do some really shady stuff. The way I see things, Obama and Trump are like a 'good cop, bad cop' kind of act.

In other words  a combo of 1, 2 & 3. (See Andyman above post)

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1577 on: March 16, 2018, 02:17:18 PM »
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1578 on: March 21, 2018, 07:06:18 AM »
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Donald Trump has called to congratulate Vladimir Putin on his landslide victory in Sunday’s elections, breaking a taboo among western leaders in appearing to endorse the Russian leader’s re-election to a fourth term in power.

Speaking at the White House on Tuesday, Trump confirmed he had called Putin to “congratulate him on his electoral victory”, and said the two would “probably get together in the not too distant future so that we can discuss the arms race”.

But the two leaders did not discuss Russia’s interference in the 2016 US election or the poisoning of Sergei Skripal, the former double agent targeted with a nerve agent in the UK.

The former US presidential candidate John McCain was quick to criticize Trump for his failure to raise allegations of widespread voter irregularities.

“An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections” McCain said in a statement. “And by doing so with Vladimir Putin, President Trump insulted every Russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election to determine their country’s future, including the countless Russian patriots who have risked so much to protest and resist Putin’s regime.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/20/trump-congratulate-putin-election-victory

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1579 on: March 21, 2018, 12:17:38 PM »
Who cares? Obama would congratulate Xi or some Saudis if they came to power. I see nothing wrong with that. You gotta deal with the world as it is.