When will Trump be impeached?

[Mr.DeMartino]

I'd be interested in what other people think about the pee-gate story and particularly from Trump supporters. I guess there might be a view that if Trump wished to engage in perverse sexual acts with prostitutes in Russia then it's a private matter that is none of anybody's business and that no-one should be interested in nor entitled to be informed of. However if Comey is to be believed it seems one of the main reasons that he was fired is because he wouldn't take active steps or go on record in an effort to prove that the alleged tapes of Trump's escapades in Russia didn't exist. Think about that one conspiracy theorist. It's pretty difficult to prove something doesn't exist isn't it?  I mean try proving aliens or God for that matter doesn't exist. Pretty difficult really.  We know Trump was in Russia at the time of the events that much can be proved. The beauty pageant and his attendance is a matter of public record. Trump could provide an alibi for the evening in question but would be proof that these tapes don't exist?

Apparently Comey refused to publicly state that Trump wasn't under investigation when in fact he wasn't under investigation. If Trunp fired him for that reason, that's entirely within his power as President. Comey also testified that in no way did Trump impede the investigation. In his book, Comey also wrote that he said he didn't know where the pee gate dossier came from when in fact he knew it was funded by Clinton's campaign. Lastly, he openly admitted that his decisions were made under the belief that Clinton would be the next President and that influenced his decisions. In fact if he really is the honest broker he claims to be, that shouldn't have entered into his decision-making.

Spealing of trying to prove a negative- Trump trying to prove he didn't collude with Russia. How is Trump supposed to do that?

[Adel]

I'd be interested in what other people think about the pee-gate story and particularly from Trump supporters. I guess there might be a view that if Trump wished to engage in perverse sexual acts with prostitutes in Russia then it's a private matter that is none of anybody's business and that no-one should be interested in nor entitled to be informed of. However if Comey is to be believed it seems one of the main reasons that he was fired is because he wouldn't take active steps or go on record in an effort to prove that the alleged tapes of Trump's escapades in Russia didn't exist. Think about that one conspiracy theorist. It's pretty difficult to prove something doesn't exist isn't it?  I mean try proving aliens or God for that matter doesn't exist. Pretty difficult really.  We know Trump was in Russia at the time of the events that much can be proved. The beauty pageant and his attendance is a matter of public record. Trump could provide an alibi for the evening in question but would be proof that these tapes don't exist?

Spealing of trying to prove a negative- Trump trying to prove he didn't collude with Russia. How is Trump supposed to do that?

It isn't Trump's role to prove or disprove anything nor to instruct independent law enforcement officers on who or what they should or shouldn't be investigating.   Trump is neither an investigator nor part of the judiciary. Trump's role is to quietly allow investigations to run their course without obstruction and get on with his role in the executive arm of government. You know, show respect for the rule of law, the separation of powers and all that stuff. He shouldn't be carrying on like some Henry the 8th wannabe! He's the president of the United States not the former Soviet Union.  I suspect you've been swallowing too much Hannidy again Doc.  The head of the FBi isn't part of the propaganda wing of the executive.  That would be Sarah's role.

[gogators!]

Trump wanted out of the TPP, got his wish, and now after being isolated, and realising the TPP is a collective tool to reign in China, he wants back in.  At some point his supporters must 'understand' that Trump has no idea what he's doing.  Deal maker! 

He's just talkin' to make the farmers he's putting out of business feel better. Nothing good is coming out of DC until either the Dems take Congress or a Dem president is elected in 2020.

We do need to get tough on China--the Clintons and Wall Street (think Rubin) let us down there and while Obama did some work on that front he was hamstrung by regugs.

Nothing has gone well under Trump.

Except the economy and jobs, ISIS, North Korea, and reduced illegal immigration.

But those are minor issues. The important thing is that some people believe he's a racist and retweets caused people to change their vote.

Yea, things are great in Syria and the ME. Nothing has happened regarding NK so far. His trade war is taking the legs out from under the economy. Wages are still not enough for many to live on and repugs are going after what little safety net they have. He's enabling polluters and corporate bullies like sinclair. He's said/done nothing about Facebook.

But he watches a lot of TV. If you think the US would be better off as a banana republic, bonzo bone spurs is your guy.

But for a person who lies as regularly as you do, I can see the attraction.

[Adel]

Anyways, back to the Steele dossier and potential collusion with the Russians it appears Micheal Cohen traveled to Prague in 2016 despite his previous staunch denials. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-prague/special-counsel-has-evidence-michael-cohen-traveled-to-prague-mcclatchy-idUSKBN1HL00J

[kengreen]

Anyways, back to the Steele dossier and potential collusion with the Russians it appears Micheal Cohen traveled to Prague in 2016 despite his previous staunch denials. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-prague/special-counsel-has-evidence-michael-cohen-traveled-to-prague-mcclatchy-idUSKBN1HL00J

You really believe that Trump is a Manchurian candidate? Really?

 

[Adel]

Anyways, back to the Steele dossier and potential collusion with the Russians it appears Micheal Cohen traveled to Prague in 2016 despite his previous staunch denials. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-prague/special-counsel-has-evidence-michael-cohen-traveled-to-prague-mcclatchy-idUSKBN1HL00J

You really believe that Trump is a Manchurian candidate? Really?

 

 Dude, stay off the green! 

[kengreen]

Trump is guilty of breaking into the circle jerk without the permission of the powers-that-be. And now he's got a target on his back. There are a lot of Americans in high places who absolutely hate democracy. They like a rigged game. And Trump took a dump right in their cornflakes. You want him out of office. Do it the right way. Vote him out.

[Savant]

Trump is guilty of breaking into the circle jerk without the permission of the powers-that-be. And now he's got a target on his back. There are a lot of Americans in high places who absolutely hate democracy. They like a rigged game. And Trump took a dump right in their cornflakes. You want him out of office. Do it the right way. Vote him out.

Nah! I'll just wait for the impeachment or resignation.

[Adel]

Trump is guilty of breaking into the circle jerk without the permission of the powers-that-be. And now he's got a target on his back. There are a lot of Americans in high places who absolutely hate democracy. They like a rigged game. And Trump took a dump right in their cornflakes. You want him out of office. Do it the right way. Vote him out.

Dude where I come from, voting is compulsory. 
Just try to imagine that! You can be fined  or even go to jail for not turning up on election day.  Quite a contrast to political parties spending so much time and energy on preventing certain demographic groups from voting or campaigning so hard for other types just to turn up.

We're living Rousseau's dream. We are forced to be free!

 

[gogators!]

Trump is guilty of breaking into the circle jerk without the permission of the powers-that-be. And now he's got a target on his back. There are a lot of Americans in high places who absolutely hate democracy. They like a rigged game. And Trump took a dump right in their cornflakes. You want him out of office. Do it the right way. Vote him out.

He didn't win the election "the right way."

[Adel]

Trump is guilty of breaking into the circle jerk without the permission of the powers-that-be. And now he's got a target on his back. There are a lot of Americans in high places who absolutely hate democracy. They like a rigged game. And Trump took a dump right in their cornflakes. You want him out of office. Do it the right way. Vote him out.

@kengreen

While there may be some truthful sentiment expressed in the above there are also a lot of half baked assumptions, false premises and crude analyses. It''s hard to know where to begin.

Anyways, other than Trump eating pizza, cheeseburgers and disagreeing with most but the sycophants within his party, at what point does this born to wealth official party nominee not become a member of the establishment?

Would you agree that democracy involves negotiation, compromise and adherence the to rule of law as exercised through three separate arms of governance rather than the absolute exertion of will by an individual to whom those rules do not apply?

Is it Okay to just spit the dummy and throw a tantrum when you cant get your own way and claim that everything is unfair when those same rules that you've exploited are applied to you with detrimental effects?

I'd genuinely be interested in your honest responses to the above.
 

[Mr.DeMartino]

It isn't Trump's role to prove or disprove anything nor to instruct independent law enforcement officers on who or what they should or shouldn't be investigating.   Trump is neither an investigator nor part of the judiciary. Trump's role is to quietly allow investigations to run their course without obstruction and get on with his role in the executive arm of government. You know, show respect for the rule of law, the separation of powers and all that stuff. He shouldn't be carrying on like some Henry the 8th wannabe! He's the president of the United States not the former Soviet Union.  I suspect you've been swallowing too much Hannidy again Doc.  The head of the FBi isn't part of the propaganda wing of the executive.  That would be Sarah's role.

That would make sense if Special Prosecutors weren't anything but fishing expeditions that feel they must come back with something in order to justify their existence.

Or the complete double standard. Clinton smashed phones and destroyed hard drives AFTER a subpoena related to classified information and nothing happens. Meanwhile Trump's own lawyer's office gets raided because he paid some porn star hush money whom he banged 10 years ago.

If you claim you love democracy as you say you do, you can be offended by Trump but you should also recognize that there is a clear double standard and that at this point we have something akin to slow-rolling coup taking place against the democratically elected leader of the United States. You don't find it disturbing that the FBI, CIA, and NSA are saying "trust us", 3 organizations that have proven anything but trustworthy in the past?

You're hatred for Trump should be tempered with the suspicion of those who hate him the most- NeoCons and the people who favor constant war.

Trump is guilty of breaking into the circle jerk without the permission of the powers-that-be. And now he's got a target on his back. There are a lot of Americans in high places who absolutely hate democracy. They like a rigged game. And Trump took a dump right in their cornflakes. You want him out of office. Do it the right way. Vote him out.

He didn't win the election "the right way."

Trump won the electoral college. It's not Clinton's fault she ran to be popular but not to win. And if you think Trump colluded with Russian bot farms and facebook ads and those persuaded people, you're an idiot.

"I was going to vote for Clinton, but then I saw an add on facebook that showed Jesus high-fiving Trump, and that changed my vote!"

Seriously, for a bunch of people that claim to be smart, you have to be absolutely moronic to believe that any of those facebook ads changed people's minds. Book smart, people stupid.

Trump won because Hillary Clinton was tossed like a slab of beef into the back of a van. This election was over in the Michigan Primary- when Sanders stunned Clinton and Trump won big. The writing was on the wall. The only thing that made it close and not a landslide was Trump's Access Hollywood tape. Take that away and Trump steamrolls her.

[Adel]

It isn't Trump's role to prove or disprove anything nor to instruct independent law enforcement officers on who or what they should or shouldn't be investigating.   Trump is neither an investigator nor part of the judiciary. Trump's role is to quietly allow investigations to run their course without obstruction and get on with his role in the executive arm of government. You know, show respect for the rule of law, the separation of powers and all that stuff. He shouldn't be carrying on like some Henry the 8th wannabe! He's the president of the United States not the former Soviet Union.  I suspect you've been swallowing too much Hannidy again Doc.  The head of the FBi isn't part of the propaganda wing of the executive.  That would be Sarah's role.

That would make sense if Special Prosecutors weren't anything but fishing expeditions that feel they must come back with something in order to justify their existence.

Or the complete double standard. Clinton smashed phones and destroyed hard drives AFTER a subpoena related to classified information and nothing happens. Meanwhile Trump's own lawyer's office gets raided because he paid some porn star hush money whom he banged 10 years ago.

If you claim you love democracy as you say you do, you can be offended by Trump but you should also recognize that there is a clear double standard and that at this point we have something akin to slow-rolling coup taking place against the democratically elected leader of the United States. You don't find it disturbing that the FBI, CIA, and NSA are saying "trust us", 3 organizations that have proven anything but trustworthy in the past?

You're hatred for Trump should be tempered with the suspicion of those who hate him the most- NeoCons and the people who favor constant war.

Well, at least you're true to form by deflecting to the Clintons, broad sweeping conspiracy theories, half truths and allegations of being a Trump hater. You must have overdosed on Hannidy this morning.
But hang on!  Aren't you missing the line where you accuse me of 'equating Trump with Hitler' followed by the chorus of 'no collusion'? 

All this despite the fact that most of the key players with Trump in their sights are themselves Trump appointees, conservative Republicans and defenders of the constitution who haven't committed to the populist cult of Trumpism and idiotic blind faith.

Good luck holding on to the house later in year.  I wonder when you'll jump off the bandwagon and start telling us that your predicted the electoral doom of the Republicans and Trump all along.

[Mr.DeMartino]

It isn't Trump's role to prove or disprove anything nor to instruct independent law enforcement officers on who or what they should or shouldn't be investigating.   Trump is neither an investigator nor part of the judiciary. Trump's role is to quietly allow investigations to run their course without obstruction and get on with his role in the executive arm of government. You know, show respect for the rule of law, the separation of powers and all that stuff. He shouldn't be carrying on like some Henry the 8th wannabe! He's the president of the United States not the former Soviet Union.  I suspect you've been swallowing too much Hannidy again Doc.  The head of the FBi isn't part of the propaganda wing of the executive.  That would be Sarah's role.

That would make sense if Special Prosecutors weren't anything but fishing expeditions that feel they must come back with something in order to justify their existence.

Or the complete double standard. Clinton smashed phones and destroyed hard drives AFTER a subpoena related to classified information and nothing happens. Meanwhile Trump's own lawyer's office gets raided because he paid some porn star hush money whom he banged 10 years ago.

If you claim you love democracy as you say you do, you can be offended by Trump but you should also recognize that there is a clear double standard and that at this point we have something akin to slow-rolling coup taking place against the democratically elected leader of the United States. You don't find it disturbing that the FBI, CIA, and NSA are saying "trust us", 3 organizations that have proven anything but trustworthy in the past?

You're hatred for Trump should be tempered with the suspicion of those who hate him the most- NeoCons and the people who favor constant war.

Well, at least you're true to form by deflecting to the Clintons, broad sweeping conspiracy theories, half truths and allegations of being a Trump hater. You must have overdosed on Hannidy this morning.
But hang on!  Aren't you missing the line where you accuse me of 'equating Trump with Hitler' followed by the chorus of 'no collusion'? 

All this despite the fact that most of the key players with Trump in their sights are themselves Trump appointees, conservative Republicans and defenders of the constitution who haven't committed to the populist cult of Trumpism and idiotic blind faith.

Good luck holding on to the house later in year.  I wonder when you'll jump off the bandwagon and start telling us that your predicted the electoral doom of the Republicans and Trump all along.

If Clinton was treated under one standard and Trump by a different one, that isn't deflection, that is a the unequal application of the law and a sign of corruption. As for conspiracy theories, that's what Trump-Russia is.

I don't watch Hannity and think he's a blowhard.

As for the key players being Republicans, most are from the NeoCon Bush-era and thus are more closely aligned with Clinton and the Bushes and owe their appointments to Bush. Even most of Trump's appointees have links to the Bush administrations.  The Republican Party is not a unified block.

As far as blind faith and the constitution goes, would these be the people like James Clapper who lied under oath about the NSA spying on Americans?

As far as midterms, is predicting midterm losses for the party holding the presidency "jumping off the bandwagon?" That's pretty standard. Nice try arguing with your imagination of my thoughts!

[gogators!]

It isn't Trump's role to prove or disprove anything nor to instruct independent law enforcement officers on who or what they should or shouldn't be investigating.   Trump is neither an investigator nor part of the judiciary. Trump's role is to quietly allow investigations to run their course without obstruction and get on with his role in the executive arm of government. You know, show respect for the rule of law, the separation of powers and all that stuff. He shouldn't be carrying on like some Henry the 8th wannabe! He's the president of the United States not the former Soviet Union.  I suspect you've been swallowing too much Hannidy again Doc.  The head of the FBi isn't part of the propaganda wing of the executive.  That would be Sarah's role.

That would make sense if Special Prosecutors weren't anything but fishing expeditions that feel they must come back with something in order to justify their existence.

Or the complete double standard. Clinton smashed phones and destroyed hard drives AFTER a subpoena related to classified information and nothing happens. Meanwhile Trump's own lawyer's office gets raided because he paid some porn star hush money whom he banged 10 years ago.

If you claim you love democracy as you say you do, you can be offended by Trump but you should also recognize that there is a clear double standard and that at this point we have something akin to slow-rolling coup taking place against the democratically elected leader of the United States. You don't find it disturbing that the FBI, CIA, and NSA are saying "trust us", 3 organizations that have proven anything but trustworthy in the past?

You're hatred for Trump should be tempered with the suspicion of those who hate him the most- NeoCons and the people who favor constant war.

Well, at least you're true to form by deflecting to the Clintons, broad sweeping conspiracy theories, half truths and allegations of being a Trump hater. You must have overdosed on Hannidy this morning.
But hang on!  Aren't you missing the line where you accuse me of 'equating Trump with Hitler' followed by the chorus of 'no collusion'? 

All this despite the fact that most of the key players with Trump in their sights are themselves Trump appointees, conservative Republicans and defenders of the constitution who haven't committed to the populist cult of Trumpism and idiotic blind faith.

Good luck holding on to the house later in year.  I wonder when you'll jump off the bandwagon and start telling us that your predicted the electoral doom of the Republicans and Trump all along.

If Clinton was treated under one standard and Trump by a different one, that isn't deflection, that is a the unequal application of the law and a sign of corruption. As for conspiracy theories, that's what Trump-Russia is.

I don't watch Hannity and think he's a blowhard.

As for the key players being Republicans, most are from the NeoCon Bush-era and thus are more closely aligned with Clinton and the Bushes and owe their appointments to Bush. Even most of Trump's appointees have links to the Bush administrations.  The Republican Party is not a unified block.

As far as blind faith and the constitution goes, would these be the people like James Clapper who lied under oath about the NSA spying on Americans?

As far as midterms, is predicting midterm losses for the party holding the presidency "jumping off the bandwagon?" That's pretty standard. Nice try arguing with your imagination of my thoughts!

When is a republican not a republican? When it contradicts sr's posts.

[Adel]

It isn't Trump's role to prove or disprove anything nor to instruct independent law enforcement officers on who or what they should or shouldn't be investigating.   Trump is neither an investigator nor part of the judiciary. Trump's role is to quietly allow investigations to run their course without obstruction and get on with his role in the executive arm of government. You know, show respect for the rule of law, the separation of powers and all that stuff. He shouldn't be carrying on like some Henry the 8th wannabe! He's the president of the United States not the former Soviet Union.  I suspect you've been swallowing too much Hannidy again Doc.  The head of the FBi isn't part of the propaganda wing of the executive.  That would be Sarah's role.

That would make sense if Special Prosecutors weren't anything but fishing expeditions that feel they must come back with something in order to justify their existence.

Or the complete double standard. Clinton smashed phones and destroyed hard drives AFTER a subpoena related to classified information and nothing happens. Meanwhile Trump's own lawyer's office gets raided because he paid some porn star hush money whom he banged 10 years ago.

If you claim you love democracy as you say you do, you can be offended by Trump but you should also recognize that there is a clear double standard and that at this point we have something akin to slow-rolling coup taking place against the democratically elected leader of the United States. You don't find it disturbing that the FBI, CIA, and NSA are saying "trust us", 3 organizations that have proven anything but trustworthy in the past?

You're hatred for Trump should be tempered with the suspicion of those who hate him the most- NeoCons and the people who favor constant war.

Well, at least you're true to form by deflecting to the Clintons, broad sweeping conspiracy theories, half truths and allegations of being a Trump hater. You must have overdosed on Hannidy this morning.
But hang on!  Aren't you missing the line where you accuse me of 'equating Trump with Hitler' followed by the chorus of 'no collusion'? 

All this despite the fact that most of the key players with Trump in their sights are themselves Trump appointees, conservative Republicans and defenders of the constitution who haven't committed to the populist cult of Trumpism and idiotic blind faith.

Good luck holding on to the house later in year.  I wonder when you'll jump off the bandwagon and start telling us that your predicted the electoral doom of the Republicans and Trump all along.

I don't watch Hannity and think he's a blowhard.

Speak of the devil.
Boom!

[Mr.DeMartino]

When is a republican not a republican? When it contradicts sr's posts.

If you're trying to deny the "Never Trump" phenomenon amongst Republican elite such as the Bushes, Romney, McCain, etc. as well as writers such as Kristol or Brooks or George Will, you're delusional.

[gogators!]

When is a republican not a republican? When it contradicts sr's posts.

If you're trying to deny the "Never Trump" phenomenon amongst Republican elite such as the Bushes, Romney, McCain, etc. as well as writers such as Kristol or Brooks or George Will, you're delusional.

I leave the denying to you and your hero.

[gogators!]

Now it turns out that hannity, who was seeking legal advice about suprise!! sexual harassment, is bone spurs most trusted advisor whom he consults with daily and whom he's even called to ask for advice while in meetings.

trumpy is so desperate (paranoid?) he's turned to the lawyer who handled his divorces, now 80-something-years-old, for advice. The news wasn't good--he told the prez that Cohen was sure to flip so don't talk or meet with him and if you do check him for a wire.

In other news, scientists have been unable to detect brain activity in more than 65% of the americans who still support trumpy.

[Savant]

Now it turns out that hannity, who was seeking legal advice about suprise!! sexual harassment, is bone spurs most trusted advisor whom he consults with daily and whom he's even called to ask for advice while in meetings.

trumpy is so desperate (paranoid?) he's turned to the lawyer who handled his divorces, now 80-something-years-old, for advice. The news wasn't good--he told the prez that Cohen was sure to flip so don't talk or meet with him and if you do check him for a wire.

In other news, scientists have been unable to detect brain activity in more than 65% of the americans who still support trumpy.

Trump is also against leakers of national security information but a pardon for Scooter Libby is alright.