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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1440 on: February 22, 2018, 03:07:44 PM »
Propaganda works.

Yes, that's why Clinton and Trump's campaign efforts, as well as those by PACs and the media, produced the result that happened.

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Third-party candidates whom russki operatives supported did much better in 2012 than in 2016. Minority voters who the russkis targeted with anti-hillary bile stayed home rather than vote. Those aren't coincidences.

Correlation vs. Causation.

The two candidates were historically unpopular and it was a "change" election. 2012 was an incumbency election. Minority voters stayed home because Obama wasn't on the ticket and underlying dissatisfaction with the Democrats.

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Your economy argument is a derail. Propaganda can't magically create an economy.

Propaganda and advertising, if what you're saying is true, certainly can persuade people to purchase products. So why not direct their energy at such matters? Why aren't all companies following the Russian strategy?

Why? Because it's not that effective. What was effective was what the campaigns and the PACs and the media were doing. What Madison Ave. does.

Did any of those ads go viral/get play like Willie Horton or Daisy or John Kerry windsurfing (even my hardcore Dem roommate cracked up at that one)? How about Obama's 'Hope' picture?

Hillary lost because she was tossed like a slab of beef into the back of a van.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1441 on: February 22, 2018, 04:02:53 PM »
Propaganda works.

Yes, that's why Clinton and Trump's campaign efforts, as well as those by PACs and the media, produced the result that happened.

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Third-party candidates whom russki operatives supported did much better in 2012 than in 2016. Minority voters who the russkis targeted with anti-hillary bile stayed home rather than vote. Those aren't coincidences.

Correlation vs. Causation.

The two candidates were historically unpopular and it was a "change" election. 2012 was an incumbency election. Minority voters stayed home because Obama wasn't on the ticket and underlying dissatisfaction with the Democrats.

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Your economy argument is a derail. Propaganda can't magically create an economy.

Propaganda and advertising, if what you're saying is true, certainly can persuade people to purchase products. So why not direct their energy at such matters? Why aren't all companies following the Russian strategy?

Why? Because it's not that effective. What was effective was what the campaigns and the PACs and the media were doing. What Madison Ave. does.

Did any of those ads go viral/get play like Willie Horton or Daisy or John Kerry windsurfing (even my hardcore Dem roommate cracked up at that one)? How about Obama's 'Hope' picture?

Hillary lost because she was tossed like a slab of beef into the back of a van.
You can continue to try and derail this but Mueller is still coming down the tracks, right at your boy.

As for advertising, who says they don't? You've never heard of viral advertising? I think you used to promote korean cosmetics via the paid-for testers on youtube. And as I stated already, there are tutorials on the web of how to sell products by capitalizing on the existing algorithms. It ain't the rocket science you claim it is.

The russkis were using more than just ads btw. A lot more.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1442 on: February 23, 2018, 02:24:14 PM »
The indictments keep coming--we're seeing the money laundering bannon was talking about.

I wonder if monafort isn't making a deal because he's more afraid of his russki business partners than he is of going to jail.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1443 on: February 25, 2018, 05:39:56 AM »


I wonder if monafort isn't making a deal because he's more afraid of his russki business partners than he is of going to jail.
Agreed, life imprisonment might be preferable to a hearty dose of polonium-210.
Another possibility though is he's banking on a pardon from Trump. However you'd expect that Mueller would to be all over that scenario with a list of indictments beyond Trump's federal scope.  Manafort is 68 years old, so maybe it just buys him some more precious time before his eventual imprisonment.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1444 on: February 26, 2018, 07:35:07 AM »
Gus Kenworthy (American Athlete)

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So proud of all these people! Everybody here has worked so hard to make it to the Olympics and have the opportunity to walk in the closing ceremony! Well... Everyone except Ivanka. Honestly, tf is she doing here??

I like this guy.
Shouldn't she be in India selling access to the WH as a bonus for buying a trump-branded condo?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1445 on: February 27, 2018, 11:13:48 AM »
Trump now stating that he would have rushed unarmed into the Parkland High School and confronted the shooter. Isn't that hard to do with bone spurs?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1446 on: February 27, 2018, 11:16:45 AM »
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Trump now stating that he would have rushed unarmed into the Parkland High School and confronted the shooter. Isn't that hard to do with bone spurs?

That only speaks to the idiocy and cowardice of Sir Donald Trump. Isn't an impeachable offense.

Now Rick Gates pleading guilty and agreeing to cooperate fully with Robert Mueller on the other hand.....thats a different story :)

I'm sure you've read all about that Mr. D?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1447 on: February 27, 2018, 11:57:28 AM »
Trump now stating that he would have rushed unarmed into the Parkland High School and confronted the shooter. Isn't that hard to do with bone spurs?

This is greatest thing to come out of Donald J. Cheeseburger's mouth so far. What a total buffoon. And I still find it almost impossible that there is even one person in the United States who cannot see this man as an utter fraud, when he is in fact the literal definition of a fraud (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University#Allegations_of_impropriety_and_lawsuits). Somehow, the country keeps surprising me.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1448 on: February 27, 2018, 12:18:30 PM »
Trump now stating that he would have rushed unarmed into the Parkland High School and confronted the shooter. Isn't that hard to do with bone spurs?

This is greatest thing to come out of Donald J. Cheeseburger's mouth so far. What a total buffoon. And I still find it almost impossible that there is even one person in the United States who cannot see this man as an utter fraud, when he is in fact the literal definition of a fraud (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University#Allegations_of_impropriety_and_lawsuits). Somehow, the country keeps surprising me.

I think a good many of Trump's supporters know this is a crock of crap (granted some of his more rabid supporters are blinded and think he would). Trump at best would order some of his goons to go in while he grandstanded outside.

Still, Trump's support isn't based on him being a moral pillar. He's an imperfect answer to a bigger problem in the eyes of many of his supporters.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1449 on: March 08, 2018, 08:14:15 AM »
This looming trade war is looking like another massive car crash instigated by Trump, the drunk driver.   :rolleyes:

Stormy waters ahead, for sure. Don't have much Hope for Trump.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1450 on: March 11, 2018, 09:48:20 AM »
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Trump, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, "will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined." But, Sanders added, "in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain."

Earlier Thursday, Chung announced that Trump would meet with Kim to "continue the goal of denuclearization."

Kim "expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible," Chung said. "President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong Un by May to achieve permanent denuclearization."

Kim, according to Chung, understands that joint military exercises between South Korea and the U.S. would continue. The North Korean leader, according to recent talks with Chung, also claimed to be "commited to denuclearization."

"He (Kim) pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear missile tests," Chung said, adding that Trump's "leadership" and "maximum pressure" brought us "to this juncture."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-kim-summit-plan-draws-positive-reactions-from-key-players.html

Wow, another big win for Trump. He kept up the pressure and called Kim's bluff. Now North Korea is willing to work towards denuclearization and halt its missile tests while being aware that the US and South Korea will continue their joint military exercises.

I wonder how the haters will try to spin this.






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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1451 on: March 11, 2018, 03:48:22 PM »
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Trump, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, "will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined." But, Sanders added, "in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain."

Earlier Thursday, Chung announced that Trump would meet with Kim to "continue the goal of denuclearization."

Kim "expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible," Chung said. "President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong Un by May to achieve permanent denuclearization."

Kim, according to Chung, understands that joint military exercises between South Korea and the U.S. would continue. The North Korean leader, according to recent talks with Chung, also claimed to be "commited to denuclearization."

"He (Kim) pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear missile tests," Chung said, adding that Trump's "leadership" and "maximum pressure" brought us "to this juncture."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-kim-summit-plan-draws-positive-reactions-from-key-players.html

Wow, another big win for Trump. He kept up the pressure and called Kim's bluff. Now North Korea is willing to work towards denuclearization and halt its missile tests while being aware that the US and South Korea will continue their joint military exercises.

I wonder how the haters will try to spin this.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1452 on: March 11, 2018, 08:52:39 PM »
I happened to catch a livestream of Trump's inane, rambling, self-aggrandizing speech in Pittsburgh today. At one point he was talking about taxes and said something like, "Nobody knows what a VAT is..." and his audience of slack-jaws nodded along and cheered.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1453 on: March 12, 2018, 08:49:52 AM »
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Trump, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, "will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined." But, Sanders added, "in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain."

Earlier Thursday, Chung announced that Trump would meet with Kim to "continue the goal of denuclearization."

Kim "expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible," Chung said. "President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong Un by May to achieve permanent denuclearization."

Kim, according to Chung, understands that joint military exercises between South Korea and the U.S. would continue. The North Korean leader, according to recent talks with Chung, also claimed to be "commited to denuclearization."

"He (Kim) pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear missile tests," Chung said, adding that Trump's "leadership" and "maximum pressure" brought us "to this juncture."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-kim-summit-plan-draws-positive-reactions-from-key-players.html

Wow, another big win for Trump. He kept up the pressure and called Kim's bluff. Now North Korea is willing to work towards denuclearization and halt its missile tests while being aware that the US and South Korea will continue their joint military exercises.

I wonder how the haters will try to spin this.

You clearly don't understand how North Korea works. Not surprising at all.

Heres a hint:  Yer boy is being played hard, as is Moon.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1454 on: March 12, 2018, 09:09:15 AM »
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1455 on: March 12, 2018, 02:34:22 PM »
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Trump, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, "will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined." But, Sanders added, "in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain."

Earlier Thursday, Chung announced that Trump would meet with Kim to "continue the goal of denuclearization."

Kim "expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible," Chung said. "President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong Un by May to achieve permanent denuclearization."

Kim, according to Chung, understands that joint military exercises between South Korea and the U.S. would continue. The North Korean leader, according to recent talks with Chung, also claimed to be "commited to denuclearization."

"He (Kim) pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear missile tests," Chung said, adding that Trump's "leadership" and "maximum pressure" brought us "to this juncture."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-kim-summit-plan-draws-positive-reactions-from-key-players.html

Wow, another big win for Trump. He kept up the pressure and called Kim's bluff. Now North Korea is willing to work towards denuclearization and halt its missile tests while being aware that the US and South Korea will continue their joint military exercises.

I wonder how the haters will try to spin this.
I'm not sure about the "haters", but the real-world-dwellers will recognize that this is a big win for Kim Jong-un and an embarrassment for the US.  Kim has achieved a PR coup that will play in DPRK for the next ten years as "See? We are real players on the stage, equals with with the United States, thanks to the magnificence of our leader and his steely resolve to forward our nuclear program."  American leaders for decades have realized that this recognition is what DPRK wants and has always imposed conditions on sitting down with the US President. 

Unbelievably, CIA Director Mike Pompeo described as a major concession from the North that "he's allowed us to continue our exercises on the peninsula."  Absolutely pathetic!  You call this winning? 

Meanwhile, US allies in the region are wondering what the hell is going on.  He regularly insults and picks fights with our allies, and sucks up to our enemies, particularly the most authoritarian of them.

Further, I will be very surprised if this summit actually occurs, and like every other sane person feel pretty certain that it will not lead to denuking the peninsula.  The best chance we had for that was in the early 2000s after careful work by Bush 1 and Clinton administrations was squandered by another tough-talking know-nothing in the WH.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1456 on: March 12, 2018, 07:34:47 PM »
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Trump, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, "will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong Un at a place and time to be determined." But, Sanders added, "in the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain."

Earlier Thursday, Chung announced that Trump would meet with Kim to "continue the goal of denuclearization."

Kim "expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible," Chung said. "President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong Un by May to achieve permanent denuclearization."

Kim, according to Chung, understands that joint military exercises between South Korea and the U.S. would continue. The North Korean leader, according to recent talks with Chung, also claimed to be "commited to denuclearization."

"He (Kim) pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear missile tests," Chung said, adding that Trump's "leadership" and "maximum pressure" brought us "to this juncture."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-kim-summit-plan-draws-positive-reactions-from-key-players.html

Wow, another big win for Trump. He kept up the pressure and called Kim's bluff. Now North Korea is willing to work towards denuclearization and halt its missile tests while being aware that the US and South Korea will continue their joint military exercises.

I wonder how the haters will try to spin this.

You clearly don't understand how North Korea works. Not surprising at all.

Heres a hint:  Yer boy is being played hard, as is Moon.
North Korea has a history of breaking their promises and wanting something for nothing. But this time they're dealing with someone who does know how to negotiate. You might want to remind yourself of who wrote The Art of the Deal.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1458 on: March 13, 2018, 07:57:10 AM »
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North Korea has a history of breaking their promises and wanting something for nothing. But this time they're dealing with someone who does know how to negotiate. You might want to remind yourself of who wrote The Art of the Deal.

You may also want to remind yourself of who wrote it and watch Life Improvement's video.

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Trump responded with conflicting stories, saying "I had a lot of choice of who to have write the book, and I chose [Schwartz]", but then said "[Schwartz] didn't write the book. I wrote the book."[4] Former Random House head Howard Kaminsky, the book's original publisher, said "Trump didnít write a postcard for us!"[4] The book was published in November 1987 by Random House, with the authorship given as "Donald Trump with Tony Schwartz".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump:_The_Art_of_the_Deal

This is a real gem:

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In 1988, Trump set up the Donald J. Trump Foundation to give away royalties from the book's sales, promising four or five million dollars "To the homeless, to Vietnam veterans, for AIDS, multiple sclerosis" in Trump's words. According to a Washington Post investigation those donations largely did not happen: the paper said "he gave less to those causes than he did to his older daughter's ballet school." The Washington Post asked Trump's campaign if Trump had donated the $55,000 Trump earned in the first six months of 2016 to charity, as he promised in the 1980s, and it did not respond.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1459 on: March 13, 2018, 11:37:11 AM »
I'm not sure about the "haters", but the real-world-dwellers will recognize that this is a big win for Kim Jong-un and an embarrassment for the US.  Kim has achieved a PR coup that will play in DPRK for the next ten years as "See? We are real players on the stage, equals with with the United States, thanks to the magnificence of our leader and his steely resolve to forward our nuclear program."  American leaders for decades have realized that this recognition is what DPRK wants and has always imposed conditions on sitting down with the US President. 

Unbelievably, CIA Director Mike Pompeo described as a major concession from the North that "he's allowed us to continue our exercises on the peninsula."  Absolutely pathetic!  You call this winning? 

Meanwhile, US allies in the region are wondering what the hell is going on.  He regularly insults and picks fights with our allies, and sucks up to our enemies, particularly the most authoritarian of them.

Further, I will be very surprised if this summit actually occurs, and like every other sane person feel pretty certain that it will not lead to denuking the peninsula.  The best chance we had for that was in the early 2000s after careful work by Bush 1 and Clinton administrations was squandered by another tough-talking know-nothing in the WH.

I think it was squandered because the Norks realized we weren't going to do anything to stop them and went ahead. I blame Clinton-Bush-Obama for that, although 'blame' might be too strong. Each tried their best, but it didn't work. They made rational decisions and each tried their own approaches, it just didn't work out. We'll see with Trump.

As far as "giving them recognition and prestige", that seems a pretty weak argument to me. I think North Korea detonating multiple nuclear devices has given them recognition and prestige. Meeting with Trump isn't going to change things in any real sense.

Now, I'm not saying that this thing is all wrapped up and Trump has won. Far from it. North Korea could easily be playing us again and this could all collapse. I think the best thing going forward would be...pessimistic optimism with a side of realism?