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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1320 on: January 16, 2018, 09:59:52 AM »
I think it's important to differentiate immigrants then vs. immigrants now and subgroups of immigrants now.
Immigrants then were generally willing to work as farmers or unskilled laborers. Those that were farmers had skills as farmers.
Today's immigrants are much more varied. For example, Mexican-Americans are willing and able to work as farmers, unskilled laborers and skilled laborers. When they work as farmers or in some cases as skilled or unskilled laborers, they are filling gaps in the labor pool while achieving self-sufficiency. On the other hand when they work as unskilled or skilled laborers they are flooding the labor market, taking jobs, and driving wages down. Also unlike now, there was no government social safety net during our great migrations of the 19th and early 20th centuries and while the laborers may not draw significantly on those benefits, their non-laboring family members might. There is also the matter of the massive narcotics trade across the border, the fact that parts of Mexico are little more than narco states, and the fact that the desire to attend high quality schools and attain education is a much more significant motivation in 21st century families vs. 19th century families. Unlike many Trump supporters, I favor some immigration, including from Mexico. However, given the various issues I still favor strict enforcement and enhanced border security.

As for other immigrant backgrounds (Chinese, Nigerians, Somalis, Syrians, etc.), the various issues regarding what kind if labor and skill they are bringing, their draw on benefits, their effect on labor markets, and the security issues involved mean one must carefully consider immigration policy rather than the one-size-fits all approaches favored by various factions on either side of thr debate.
Research shows that to be mostly untrue. As well, "their draw on benefits" is usually exaggerated as a conservative talking point.
I meant to say "potentially taking jobs, reducing wages, etc." Thanks for the catch. In many cases the skilled or unskilled jobs they are taking have a serious labor pool shortage.

Also, that while the draw on benefits claims may be exaggerated, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent/deport illegals who are solely drawing on benefits.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1321 on: January 17, 2018, 09:01:41 AM »
Trump clarifies that he is not a racist and points out there is disagreement about what he actually said at the bipartisan meeting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmZHOjpExg

Trump is trying to be constructive, but the Dems are being obstructionists.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1322 on: January 17, 2018, 09:56:57 AM »
At this point I think everyone just needs to focus on the fact that Trump supporters continue to defend Trump BECAUSE he's racist, not despite this.

It's pretty obvious and I think most smart people have known this since his birther days and when he opened his primary campaign with "Mexican rapists," but it's not talked about enough these days.



Trump is trying to be constructive, but the Dems are being obstructionists.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1323 on: January 17, 2018, 10:41:34 AM »
At this point I think everyone just needs to focus on the fact that Trump supporters continue to defend Trump BECAUSE he's racist, not despite this.

It's pretty obvious and I think most smart people have known this since his birther days and when he opened his primary campaign with "Mexican rapists," but it's not talked about enough these days.



Trump is trying to be constructive, but the Dems are being obstructionists.



Yeah, I think someone’s confused between constructive and destructive.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1324 on: January 17, 2018, 10:55:32 AM »
Well at least we know he doesn't have dementia as Donald Trump VSG, scored a 30 out of 30 on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment.

Now, I'm well aware of the limitations of such a test, but I think we can tell that Trump isn't completely senile and insane.

It's one thing to call him a conman and a blowhard. It's another to say the dude is insane and suffering from dementia.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1325 on: January 17, 2018, 12:42:09 PM »
Oh, good, he has normal cognitive abilities.

LMAO Trump fanboys cheering Trump for having normal cognitive abilities. You guys are getting scared.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1326 on: January 17, 2018, 01:25:32 PM »
I'm not reassured. That bizarre episode a few days ago, with his amateur play-acting at the bipartisan immigration meeting, then the boasts about his performance ("Well, I call it work...") and its great reviews, followed by a lie about all the congratulatory letters he'd received, was straight up crazy. The delusional ramblings of a man with no grip on reality. He even worked a conspiracy theory in at the end, about network managers pressuring news anchors to alter their "reviews". Unbelievable.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1327 on: January 17, 2018, 01:27:57 PM »
He's just a weird sociopath.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1328 on: January 17, 2018, 01:38:31 PM »
He now needs a psych test.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1329 on: January 17, 2018, 01:57:31 PM »
Oh, good, he has normal cognitive abilities.

LMAO Trump fanboys cheering Trump for having normal cognitive abilities. You guys are getting scared.

Actually, we're having a laugh at all the people who convinced themselves that they knew Trump's mental/physical state of him having dementia or being insane. The people who claim they are so smart and rational, yet can't tell the difference between someone who is pretending to be crazy/stupid and someone who actually is. 

Like I said, if you just think he's a conman, that's fine. Even his supporters agree that he is something of salesman with an overhyped pitch. When it veered into "He's crazy!!!" "He has dementia!!!!" was when it veered into tinhat land.

Of course you'd think after getting everything wrong about Trump for the past year and a half, his critics would consider reevaluating their perceptions, but I guess not.

Failed Trump Predictions-
1. He won't get the nomination
2. Scandal X during the primaries would sink him
3. He's wrong about Clinton's health
4. He won't win the general election
5. The stock market will crash
6. We'll have mass unemployment
7. Countries will stop talking to us
8. Millions of illegals will be deported
9. He'll be the next Hitler
10. He's an anti-semite
11. Open season on African-Americans
12. It's the Handmaid's Tale
13. Nuclear War at 3AM over a Tweet
14. He won't pass anything
15. He will be removed from office within a year
16. He'll be an unchecked dictator
17. He's certifiably insane
18. He's got dementia
19. Russia will be marching through D.C.
20. The planet will melt

Meanwhile his opponents have
1. Convinced themselves they're qualified psychologists
2. Convinced themselves they're qualified neurologists
3. Believed that someone who is insane and suffering from dementia would be the perfect Russian pawn
4. Screamed at the sky during an election anniversary
5. Walked around dressed as female genitalia to protest him
6. Convinced themselves they're living in a TV drama
7. Blamed Netflix and PokemonGo for the election
8. Rejected him moving the embassy to Jerusalem and acknowledging what has been true for the past 50 years
9. Pretended they don't use terms like s-hole and engage in crude locker room talk
10. Had their celebrities exposed as a bunch of hypocritical liars on women's rights.
11. Cheered for KJE over Trump
12. Chased one Trump tweet after another like Pavlov's dog.
13. Not followed through on their pledge to move to Canada.
14. Seen Norway go from socialist paradise to nowhere special and refugees go from people fleeing hellholes that we must help to "How dare Trump call their country an s-hole".
15. Either welcomed or ignored the fact that some of Trump's biggest critics and pushers of dirt on him are all Neoconservatives.
16. Upheld the FBI "J. Edgar Who?"s, the CIA and its WMDs, and the "We don't spy on Americans" NSA as trustworthy organizations who would never lie about world leaders or meddle in politics.


Now Trump has made plenty of mistakes, pursued policies I disagree with, and some of his followers are just as, if not more stupid and delusional.

But at least be a part of the smart Resistance, not the Trump Derangement Syndrome moron faction.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1330 on: January 17, 2018, 03:03:18 PM »
My old apartment in Ireland was a poophole. I guess I'm racist against me, cos I lived there.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1331 on: January 17, 2018, 04:00:56 PM »
Mr. DeMartino - I've noticed that you keep making the same charge against critics of Trump - that they're guilty of making wild, speculative, paranoid and contradictory claims about the man. Yet no single critic of Trump necessarily believes in the whole spectrum of critiques that you list. One guy might believe that Trump's biggest fault is incompetence while his neighbor thinks Trump is an evil mastermind with sinister designs on the nation. Yes, these are contradictory positions but only one person needs to be wrong - one could very easily be correct. I consider myself an opponent of Trump and identify with virtually none of the positions or claims that you routinely ascribe to us, other than the incompetence one.

You could also run the same exercise on Obama or Hillary Clinton. If you were to collate every charge that's been leveled at either of them, don't you think you'd find a lot of craziness and contradiction mixed in with some reasonable critiques? So maybe you need to revise your method when trying to counter critiques of Trump and assess each one on its own merits, rather than invalidating it on the basis that a different person made a seemingly contradictory statement about Trump at some point, in a different context.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1332 on: January 17, 2018, 07:32:09 PM »
Oh, good, he has normal cognitive abilities.

LMAO Trump fanboys cheering Trump for having normal cognitive abilities. You guys are getting scared.

Actually, we're having a laugh at all the people who convinced themselves that they knew Trump's mental/physical state of him having dementia or being insane. The people who claim they are so smart and rational, yet can't tell the difference between someone who is pretending to be crazy/stupid and someone who actually is. 

"It's ok, the president is just pretending to be stupid and/or crazy" is the stupidest typical Trump supporter attempt at crappy damage control I've ever seen, and I've seen it quite a bit.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1333 on: January 17, 2018, 11:27:34 PM »
A lot of armchair psychologists on here.
What a sick sick sick sick sick sick stick disgusting thing to do to somebody.   
Make claims about their mental health, when not even a psychologist would issue a statement until a very long time With someone on a couch.


It’s sick . 
Not that democrats have any shame.
But frankly you’re disgusting .   
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1334 on: January 18, 2018, 12:07:05 AM »
Same ol', same ol' from sr/dm and jimbo.

Super-hyperbole on the one hand and self-righteous hand-wringing on the other.

But what has trump done for the average american to improve their quality of life and their individual security? Next to nothing.

And what about the lying? What kind of leader constantly lies to those he's supposed to be leading? How can you follow someone whom you can't trust?

As for "disgusting," jmibo, what do you think about someone who is a serial adulterer? Good role model? Great father? Upstanding Christian? What would your buddy stark say?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1335 on: January 18, 2018, 09:07:46 AM »
"It's ok, the president is just pretending to be stupid and/or crazy" is the stupidest typical Trump supporter attempt at crappy damage control I've ever seen, and I've seen it quite a bit.

Why so? It's pretty obvious that Bush's whole dumb cowboy schtick was an act to make himself come across as likeable. Same with Clinton's 'Bubba' routine and Reagan's 'folksy charm' or JFK's 'Camelot'. Obama, Carter, and Ford didn't really bother with such things. Nixon at least played up his "craziness" a little to try and intimidate the North Vietnamese and drive them to the negotiating table. Heck, Kim Jong Eun does the same thing. Anyone with a brain can tell that Kim isn't crazy, yet a bunch of people think he is.

I will say that one of the weakest criticism's of Hillary was her 'Public and private persona' comment. That is true for politicians (unfortunately for Clinton it was a self-inflicted, reinforcing error). Trump did TV and WWE. The man understands theater and the narrative arc and making himself the center of attention.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1336 on: January 18, 2018, 11:03:50 AM »
A lot of armchair psychologists on here.
What a sick sick sick sick sick sick stick disgusting thing to do to somebody.   
Make claims about their mental health, when not even a psychologist would issue a statement until a very long time With someone on a couch.


It’s sick . 
Not that democrats have any shame.
But frankly you’re disgusting .

But, I AM a psychologist, Chester Jim.
Here is my diagnosis of you. You are sick as a dog. Get to a doctor's office asap.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1337 on: January 18, 2018, 11:31:49 AM »
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A lot of armchair psychologists on here.
What a sick sick sick sick sick sick stick disgusting thing to do to somebody.   
Make claims about their mental health, when not even a psychologist would issue a statement until a very long time With someone on a couch.

May I direct your attention to some tweets from the account of one Donald J. Trump?

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Mar 25, 2016 04:03:32 PM - "@11phenomenon: #LyingTed blames @realDonaldTrump for so many things I am starting to think he is having a mental health crisis."

Dec 15, 2011 12:05:54 PM Please send a psychiatrist to help @Rosie, she’s in a bad state. To @Rosie’s girlfriend’s parents--- get (cont) http://t.co/1c9yApM4

Oct 16, 2014 03:23:30 AM - I am starting to think that there is something seriously wrong with President Obama's mental health. Why won't he stop the flights. Psycho!

Aug 24, 2015 09:14:54 PM "@YoungYoung54: @JeriHyatt @megynkelly @JebBush So true. Jeb Bush is crazy, who cares that he speaks Mexican, this is America, English !!

Mar 19, 2016 10:16:55 AM If crazy @megynkelly didn't cover me so much on her terrible show, her ratings would totally tank. She is so average in so many ways!

Jul 31, 2013 12:36:05 PM "Trump: Something ‘mentally wrong’ with Weiner" http://t.co/v3GpZzbtED via @hilltube by @DanielStrauss4

Jul 15, 2013 01:20:00 PM All NYC needs is the mentally unstable Elliot Spitzer in office again.

Jan 25, 2016 11:15:12 PM "@jdenino1: @DavidWohl @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/RqMSSbfB0J BECK wanted to commit suicide after @ss surgery, clearly is unbalanced!"

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1338 on: January 18, 2018, 12:47:20 PM »
Speaking of mental health, I think it's hilarious how Trump has basically caused some people to have a near nervous breakdown and they start obsessively writing over him.

Turn off the news for a month or two and realize life is fine and Trump is essentially non-reality. Like literally, if you had not paid attention for the last year your life would be exactly the same, except you'd have gotten to spend 1000 hours of anger and rage and interneting on something else.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1339 on: January 18, 2018, 12:52:29 PM »
Fresh angle on all this Trump stuff: his haircut is strange and terrible.
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