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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1000 on: August 28, 2017, 10:25:28 PM »
You don't have to run faster than the bear. You just have to run faster than the other guy.

The media narrative has trump in a killbox.


If he tries to normalize relations with Russia then he's a Russian agent.


If he doesn't go along with the elites demands for more weapons and wars, they will either assasinate him or get rid of him somehow.


If he goes along with the elites demands, then he betrays his supporters and his approval ratings dive.


he never had a chance from the beginning. Neither did JFK.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1001 on: August 28, 2017, 11:26:06 PM »
trumpy's approval rating is now down to 34%.

As long as the Democrats in Congress have lower approvals, Trump isn't going anywhere. The Dems can run up their margins in California and New York and other liberal enclaves, but if Trump is still ahead of the Democrat in light-red and swing counties around the country, he wins.

You don't have to run faster than the bear. You just have to run faster than the other guy.

I like how instead of criticizing the guy who this thread is about, you're like BUT THE DEMS. Trump is doing a bad job, and it's not productive to hope that people hate one party more than someone is objectively not doing a great job. It blows my mind that Republicans can control congress and people will still blame Democrats for everything.

I'm not arguing whether Trump is good or bad in that post, I'm stating a political reality.

The political reality is Trump only needs to not be as unappealing as the Democrats in the parts of the country that ensure him and the Republicans a majority.

The fact is the Democratic Party is in such disarray that they're crapping themselves at the thought of Kid Rock running for Senate. Kid Rock.

Now you can continue to howl about Trump and why voters are dumb and everything, or try and actually win. It's not that hard. They probably could have won with ol Joe Biden (avuncular centrist) or Bernie (outsider in a 'change election') but they went with HRC.

The biggest mistake was the unleashing of leftwing identity politics. I know, it's not fair- the right does identity politics too. But white people are still the majority and 48% of the country is male. If you crap on whites and men, don't be shocked when they lash out and become as entrenched to the Republican Party as minorities do when the Republicans demonize them.

Offering 'The Resistance' and SJW safe spaces and deciding that the big issue facing America is statues of people who died 150 years ago may FEEL good, but it's why Trump treads water above the poor polls for the Democrats.

But yeah, just ignore political reality. Believe that people care more about statues and how many minorities are in the cast of Dunkirk are more important than jobs, taxes, jobs, health care, and jobs. Double down and go after Jefferson being on the 2 dollar bill. That's worked out great so far seeing as how the Democrats control the presidency and both houses of Congress and the majority of state legislatures and governorships. Comfort yourself in Trump's poll numbers. Blame everything on Russia and 46% of America being racist. It wasn't the fact that the Democratic candidate was so despised that 52% of the country voted for Donald frickin Trump or Aleppo or Jill Lenin.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1002 on: August 29, 2017, 07:13:43 AM »
trumpy's approval rating is now down to 34%.

As long as the Democrats in Congress have lower approvals, Trump isn't going anywhere. The Dems can run up their margins in California and New York and other liberal enclaves, but if Trump is still ahead of the Democrat in light-red and swing counties around the country, he wins.

You don't have to run faster than the bear. You just have to run faster than the other guy.

I like how instead of criticizing the guy who this thread is about, you're like BUT THE DEMS. Trump is doing a bad job, and it's not productive to hope that people hate one party more than someone is objectively not doing a great job. It blows my mind that Republicans can control congress and people will still blame Democrats for everything.

I'm not arguing whether Trump is good or bad in that post, I'm stating a political reality.

The political reality is Trump only needs to not be as unappealing as the Democrats in the parts of the country that ensure him and the Republicans a majority.

The fact is the Democratic Party is in such disarray that they're crapping themselves at the thought of Kid Rock running for Senate. Kid Rock.

Now you can continue to howl about Trump and why voters are dumb and everything, or try and actually win. It's not that hard. They probably could have won with ol Joe Biden (avuncular centrist) or Bernie (outsider in a 'change election') but they went with HRC.

The biggest mistake was the unleashing of leftwing identity politics. I know, it's not fair- the right does identity politics too. But white people are still the majority and 48% of the country is male. If you crap on whites and men, don't be shocked when they lash out and become as entrenched to the Republican Party as minorities do when the Republicans demonize them.

Offering 'The Resistance' and SJW safe spaces and deciding that the big issue facing America is statues of people who died 150 years ago may FEEL good, but it's why Trump treads water above the poor polls for the Democrats.

But yeah, just ignore political reality. Believe that people care more about statues and how many minorities are in the cast of Dunkirk are more important than jobs, taxes, jobs, health care, and jobs. Double down and go after Jefferson being on the 2 dollar bill. That's worked out great so far seeing as how the Democrats control the presidency and both houses of Congress and the majority of state legislatures and governorships. Comfort yourself in Trump's poll numbers. Blame everything on Russia and 46% of America being racist. It wasn't the fact that the Democratic candidate was so despised that 52% of the country voted for Donald frickin Trump or Aleppo or Jill Lenin.

Don't waste your time having an argument no one is trying to have. I didn't say a thing about race, gender, or social class. I just stated that the right tends to often deflect to the left. I'm just stating a political reality.  :P

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1003 on: August 29, 2017, 07:25:09 AM »
The Putin peeps, the Trump peeps

Where are the other "Putin peeps"? exactly.

 There's only me.

Gotta luv how the libs exaggerate the number of the opposition.

In any case I'm not a "Putin Peep", I'm a truth and facts peep.
"Truth and facts," pravda style maybe.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1004 on: August 29, 2017, 07:27:59 AM »
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When Trump pardoned him last week, the White House released only a perfunctory two paragraph statement by way of explanation. At the press conference, the president seemed to imply that the noise generated by his supporters was a factor in his thinking. “When I mentioned him the other night, you saw the massive crowd we had,” he said, referring to a rally in Phoenix last Tuesday. “People went crazy when I said, ‘What do you think of Sheriff Joe?’ or something to that effect.

Again with the size.  What?  You mean your hand picked crowd of hardcore supporters?

Frankie Boyle (a Scottish comedian) wrote a very good line about that Phoenix rally.

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Trump delivered one of his random rightwing word collages in front of a crowd who if they were any whiter would have had carrots for noses.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/27/frankie-boyle-donald-trump-embodies-twitter

'Random rightwing word collages'   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Trump also continued to insist that Mexico will pay for his long-promised border wall. “One way or the other Mexico will pay for the wall,” he said, arguing that, while the project may initially be funded by US taxpayers, “ultimately” Mexico will pay through reimbursement.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/donald-trump-defends-joe-arpaio-pardon-patriot

Sure Mexico have already told you to fook off about this one.  Mexico will not be paying for it in your presidency buddy.....which will be over by December or sooner.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1005 on: August 29, 2017, 07:28:26 AM »
Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's daughter Jennifer Detlefsen, who is a Navy veteran, sharply criticized the proposal, calling the president a "disgrace," the Billings Gazette reported Friday. ….

“This man is a disgrace. I've tried to keep politics out of my social media feed as much as possible, but this is inexcusable,” read her post on July 26, which still appeared online on Saturday.

"This veteran says sit down and shut the f--k up, you know-nothing, never-served piece of s--t," she added.

Preach it!

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1006 on: August 29, 2017, 07:44:20 AM »
I'm a truth and facts peep.

That's true.  We barely hear a peep of truth or facts from you.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1007 on: August 29, 2017, 07:52:00 AM »
I'm a truth and facts peep.

That's true.  We barely hear a peep of truth or facts from you.

Nicely done. Nicely done indeed.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1008 on: August 29, 2017, 10:19:10 AM »
Don't waste your time having an argument no one is trying to have. I didn't say a thing about race, gender, or social class. I just stated that the right tends to often deflect to the left. I'm just stating a political reality.  :P

I agree that the right often deflects to the left. That's pretty obvious. The left often deflects to the right as well. It's the oldest political tactic in the book- negative campaigning.

If you think the left doesn't do this as well, then I don't know what to say.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1009 on: August 29, 2017, 11:39:54 AM »
Don't waste your time having an argument no one is trying to have. I didn't say a thing about race, gender, or social class. I just stated that the right tends to often deflect to the left. I'm just stating a political reality.  :P

I agree that the right often deflects to the left. That's pretty obvious. The left often deflects to the right as well. It's the oldest political tactic in the book- negative campaigning.

If you think the left doesn't do this as well, then I don't know what to say.

Never said what I thought and don't care enough to do so. Are you just looking to argue because I can do that for you  :wink:

If you're not, you could have stopped typing after "I agree that the right often deflects to the left." Just a tip to seem less confrontational  :smiley:

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1010 on: August 29, 2017, 03:23:40 PM »
Don't waste your time having an argument no one is trying to have. I didn't say a thing about race, gender, or social class. I just stated that the right tends to often deflect to the left. I'm just stating a political reality.  :P

I agree that the right often deflects to the left. That's pretty obvious. The left often deflects to the right as well. It's the oldest political tactic in the book- negative campaigning.

If you think the left doesn't do this as well, then I don't know what to say.
Welllll....  Let's take Obamacare, for example.

The basic idea for the "individual mandate" that is at the core of making the ACA work, to the extent it does work, was developed by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think-tank.  Mitt Romney, a Republican governor, actually tried it out, quite successfully, in Massachusetts.

So the Dems took an idea that pretty much worked and rolled it into their own attempt to overhaul the medical system.  That is, until they started fuffing about with it to try to get some Republicans to vote for it, the ACA was quite similar to what Heritage, AEI and so on had put forth in the 1990s.

They had two main objections when it came up in 2009, one of which Republicans always have: they think government should be free; good roads, military might and flood reparations must never be paid for by taxes (well, at least not our taxes--let our children and grandchildren pay for them).

But the other one was somehow this "individual mandate", which they now had a problem with in principle, though a veritable who's who of Republicans had co-sponsored the same thing ...

Speaking of hypocrisy, I wonder how many of the 20 sitting Texas Reps and 2 senators that voted against hurricane Sandy relief in 2013 will vote against Harvey relief?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1011 on: August 29, 2017, 03:53:39 PM »

Speaking of hypocrisy, I wonder how many of the 20 sitting Texas Reps and 2 senators that voted against hurricane Sandy relief in 2013 will vote against Harvey relief?
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1012 on: August 29, 2017, 04:29:55 PM »
Welllll....  Let's take Obamacare, for example.

The basic idea for the "individual mandate" that is at the core of making the ACA work, to the extent it does work, was developed by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think-tank.  Mitt Romney, a Republican governor, actually tried it out, quite successfully, in Massachusetts.

So the Dems took an idea that pretty much worked and rolled it into their own attempt to overhaul the medical system.  That is, until they started fuffing about with it to try to get some Republicans to vote for it, the ACA was quite similar to what Heritage, AEI and so on had put forth in the 1990s.

They had two main objections when it came up in 2009, one of which Republicans always have: they think government should be free; good roads, military might and flood reparations must never be paid for by taxes (well, at least not our taxes--let our children and grandchildren pay for them).

But the other one was somehow this "individual mandate", which they now had a problem with in principle, though a veritable who's who of Republicans had co-sponsored the same thing ...

Speaking of hypocrisy, I wonder how many of the 20 sitting Texas Reps and 2 senators that voted against hurricane Sandy relief in 2013 will vote against Harvey relief?

You won't get an argument from me on the GOP debacle that is their health care policy.

Sandy was a symbolic vote on pork. It's bad visually but the bill was going to pass regardless and they wanted to make a statement about attaching extra spending. It was a dumb move by them in terms of optics, but they had a point that the bill could have been a little leaner. Still....

But back to deflection, since Trump's election the Democratic Party's operating principle has been reflexive anti-Trumpism. Fair enough as that's what the GOP did under Obama, but they have no solid, cohesive message. The larger point is that the Democrats are even worse off than Trump. His historical low approval? Higher than the Democrats. Heck, it's higher than Macron's. Remember him? The Golden Boy? So much for that.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1013 on: August 30, 2017, 07:32:50 AM »
Welllll....  Let's take Obamacare, for example.

The basic idea for the "individual mandate" that is at the core of making the ACA work, to the extent it does work, was developed by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think-tank.  Mitt Romney, a Republican governor, actually tried it out, quite successfully, in Massachusetts.

So the Dems took an idea that pretty much worked and rolled it into their own attempt to overhaul the medical system.  That is, until they started fuffing about with it to try to get some Republicans to vote for it, the ACA was quite similar to what Heritage, AEI and so on had put forth in the 1990s.

They had two main objections when it came up in 2009, one of which Republicans always have: they think government should be free; good roads, military might and flood reparations must never be paid for by taxes (well, at least not our taxes--let our children and grandchildren pay for them).

But the other one was somehow this "individual mandate", which they now had a problem with in principle, though a veritable who's who of Republicans had co-sponsored the same thing ...

Speaking of hypocrisy, I wonder how many of the 20 sitting Texas Reps and 2 senators that voted against hurricane Sandy relief in 2013 will vote against Harvey relief?

You won't get an argument from me on the GOP debacle that is their health care policy.

Sandy was a symbolic vote on pork. It's bad visually but the bill was going to pass regardless and they wanted to make a statement about attaching extra spending. It was a dumb move by them in terms of optics, but they had a point that the bill could have been a little leaner. Still....

But back to deflection, since Trump's election the Democratic Party's operating principle has been reflexive anti-Trumpism. Fair enough as that's what the GOP did under Obama, but they have no solid, cohesive message. The larger point is that the Democrats are even worse off than Trump. His historical low approval? Higher than the Democrats. Heck, it's higher than Macron's. Remember him? The Golden Boy? So much for that.

Where you getting your approval data? I just looked it up on Gallup and Dems are at 40% Reps at 39%, and Trump is at 35%.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1014 on: August 30, 2017, 07:34:45 AM »
Surely Trump can't visit Harris County to check out the storm/flood damage........because they voted for Hillary.  Why would he go there?   :sad:


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1015 on: August 30, 2017, 07:39:43 AM »

Where you getting your approval data? I just looked it up on Gallup and Dems are at 40% Reps at 39%, and Trump is at 35%.
Same place he gets everything else.  I'll give you a hint: it's anatomical in nature.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1016 on: August 30, 2017, 09:53:10 AM »
I'm a truth and facts peep.

That's true.  We barely hear a peep of truth or facts from you.

Savage!

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1017 on: August 30, 2017, 12:49:34 PM »

Sandy was a symbolic vote on pork.

Untrue.  That's what some said, but they were lying:
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...according to an analysis of the legislation compiled by CQ, the Sandy aid bill included $16 billion for community development programs, $11.5 billion for FEMA’s disaster relief fund, $10.9 billion for transportation system repairs, $5.4 billion for Army Corps of Engineers projects, $800 million for social service programs, and $826 million for repairs to national parks and facilities.

But Texas Republicans latched onto the notion that the Sandy relief package was full of wasteful spending. When the Senate was voting on the bill in early 2013, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) railed against the “unrelated spending, including projects such as Smithsonian repairs, upgrades to National Oceanic and Atmospheric airplanes, and more funding for Head Start.”

[T]he Smithsonian repairs ― representing .004 percent of the money appropriated ― were related to Sandy, and the upgrades and repairs to NOAA aircraft were to help with future hurricane forecasting. The money for Head Start, meanwhile, was available only to those facilities damaged by Sandy.

But let's just watch and see the extent to which a$$clowns like Cruz complain, object and vote against relief appropriations with various riders.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1018 on: August 30, 2017, 01:38:12 PM »
Surely Trump can't visit Harris County to check out the storm/flood damage........because they voted for Hillary.  Why would he go there?   :sad:

Trump landed in Texas and already brought up crowd size.

Standing on a truck giving a speech like he was Bill Pullman in Independence Day.

"When I'm President we're going to have the biggest storms. Katrina, Sandy? Those were nothing. My storms as President will be bigly. We're going to get you help as soon as Mexico pays for the wall. If not, Mexico, then Congress. You've all seen my big successes so far. God bless Texas. Go Yankees!"

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1019 on: August 30, 2017, 02:04:45 PM »
Welllll....  Let's take Obamacare, for example.

The basic idea for the "individual mandate" that is at the core of making the ACA work, to the extent it does work, was developed by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think-tank.  Mitt Romney, a Republican governor, actually tried it out, quite successfully, in Massachusetts.

So the Dems took an idea that pretty much worked and rolled it into their own attempt to overhaul the medical system.  That is, until they started fuffing about with it to try to get some Republicans to vote for it, the ACA was quite similar to what Heritage, AEI and so on had put forth in the 1990s.

They had two main objections when it came up in 2009, one of which Republicans always have: they think government should be free; good roads, military might and flood reparations must never be paid for by taxes (well, at least not our taxes--let our children and grandchildren pay for them).

But the other one was somehow this "individual mandate", which they now had a problem with in principle, though a veritable who's who of Republicans had co-sponsored the same thing ...

Speaking of hypocrisy, I wonder how many of the 20 sitting Texas Reps and 2 senators that voted against hurricane Sandy relief in 2013 will vote against Harvey relief?

You won't get an argument from me on the GOP debacle that is their health care policy.

Sandy was a symbolic vote on pork. It's bad visually but the bill was going to pass regardless and they wanted to make a statement about attaching extra spending. It was a dumb move by them in terms of optics, but they had a point that the bill could have been a little leaner. Still....

But back to deflection, since Trump's election the Democratic Party's operating principle has been reflexive anti-Trumpism. Fair enough as that's what the GOP did under Obama, but they have no solid, cohesive message. The larger point is that the Democrats are even worse off than Trump. His historical low approval? Higher than the Democrats. Heck, it's higher than Macron's. Remember him? The Golden Boy? So much for that.

Where you getting your approval data? I just looked it up on Gallup and Dems are at 40% Reps at 39%, and Trump is at 35%.

Forgot to look up Macron, he's at 40% approval. All are low, but all are higher than Trump.