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When will Trump be impeached?
« on: February 07, 2017, 12:51:38 PM »
IMPEACHED!!! I personally can't wait. At least Mike Pence can form an intelligent sentence and understands basic government functioning.

Reasons to impeach can be found here, plus any new ones that may will arise in the near future.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/318045-the-house-can-start-impeachment-against-trump-now

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Poll: 4 in 10 support impeaching Trump

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Much of the public is eager for the impeachment of President Trump. A poll last week found that 40 percent of Americans already “support” impeaching him, and the same survey — by highly regarded Public Policy Polling — found that another 12 percent are “not sure.”

From the outset of his presidency, Trump has been violating the U.S. Constitution in a way that we have not seen before and should not tolerate. It’s time for members of Congress to get the impeachment process underway.

The Constitution states that to start impeachment proceedings, a document or “resolution calling for a committee investigation of charges against the officer in question” must be introduced in the House of Representatives. Such a move would have been appropriate from the moment that Trump became president.
As documented in depth on the ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org website — where more than 600,000 people have already signed a petition for impeachment — the president continues to violate two “emoluments” clauses in the Constitution. One prohibits any gifts or benefits from foreign governments, and the other prohibits the same from the U.S. government or any U.S. state.

To uphold the bedrock principle that no one should be above the supreme law of the land, a resolute member of the House must now take the lead in introducing a resolution to get impeachment rolling. That process is necessarily difficult — and essential.

Former White House counsel John Dean, who served President Nixon from 1970 to 1973, told The Atlantic magazine: “I don’t think Richard Nixon even comes close to the level of corruption we already know about Trump.”

Since that interview with Dean three weeks ago, we’ve been learning more about Trump’s unconstitutional corruption as president. The case that Trump is in flagrant violation of the Constitution gained added strength over the weekend when The Associated Press reported: “New documents confirm that President Donald Trump retains a direct tie to his business interests through a revocable trust now being overseen by one of his adult sons and a longtime executive of the Trump Organization.”

What’s more, AP reported, “Trump is the sole beneficiary of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, which is tied to his Social Security number as the taxpayer identification number, according to documents published online by the investigative nonprofit ProPublica. And Trump can revoke the trust, which was amended three days before his inauguration, at any time.”

Members of Congress should initiate an impeachment process because of two clear provisions in the Constitution.

The Foreign Emoluments Clause says: “[N]o Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States], shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

And the Constitution’s Domestic Emoluments Clause (also known as the Presidential Compensation Clause), which cannot be waived by Congress, says: “The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.”

In addition, a House committee’s impeachment probe should also investigate whether President Trump is violating the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act of 2012 (STOCK Act). One of the few federal ethics statutes that specifically include the president, the STOCK Act — among other provisions — prohibits the president from (1) using nonpublic information for private profit, and from (2) intentionally influencing an employment decision or practice of a private entity solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation.

A crucial test for democracy is whether people in high places can violate the law with impunity. For democracy in the United States, the biggest danger is unchecked presidential ability to violate the Constitution.

In a speech on the House floor last Thursday that spelled out some of Trump’s extreme conflicts-of-interest, Rep. Mark Pocan (D-WI) closed with a cogent reference to the fact that Congress can “even explore the power of impeachment.”

Let the exploration begin.

Norman Solomon is co-founder of the activist group RootsAction.org, which has nearly 1 million supporters online. He was a Bernie Sanders delegate from California to the Democratic National Convention, where he was the leader and coordinator of the Bernie Delegates Network. RootsAction and Free Speech For People are sponsoring the grassroots impeachment campaign at ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org."



https://www.impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/

And then there is the actual man running the show:

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/02/06/trump-not-fully-briefed-order-elevating-bannon-security-council

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President Donald Trump reportedly did not realize he was promoting chief strategist Steve Bannon to the National Security Council (NSC) Principals Committee when he signed the executive order dropping intelligence and defense officials from the top government panel and elevating the former Breitbart News chair in their place.

The New York Times reported over the weekend that Trump had not been fully briefed on his own executive order, which became "a greater source of frustration to the president" than the protests and legal actions over his travel ban blocking immigrants from seven majority-Muslim countries.

Reporters Glenn Thrush and Maggie Haberman depicted an administration that's just barely keeping a lid on its internal crises, turf wars, and lack of preparation—and a scheming chief strategist that's successfully taken advantage of it all.

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[White House chief of staff Reince] Priebus told Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon that the administration needs to rethink its policy and communications operation in the wake of embarrassing revelations that key details of the orders were withheld from agencies, White House staff, and Republican congressional leaders like Speaker Paul D. Ryan.

Mr. Priebus has also created a 10-point checklist for the release of any new initiatives that includes signoff from the communications department and the White House staff secretary, Robert Porter, according to several aides familiar with the process.

Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president's dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump's anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban.

Trump seemingly clarified on Twitter that he calls his own shots, "largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it." He also accused the Times of writing "total fiction" about him.

The executive order promoted Bannon, a white nationalist with no foreign policy or government experience, to a regular seat at some of the most sensitive meetings at the highest levels of government, along with other NSC meetings. Meanwhile, the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff—who need to be confirmed by the Senate—were directed to only attend meetings when discussions pertain to their "responsibilities and expertise."

The memo led to speculation that the right-wing power grab in the executive branch could be setting the stage for a coup d'état.
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Re: When will Trump be ...
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 01:02:30 PM »
My guess is he never will be impeached.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 01:14:46 PM »
 Trump's latest executive order! 

Oh no!!!

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http://hepwori.github.io/execorder/

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 01:22:56 PM »
Meh, I take those articles with a grain of salt. Of those 40% calling for his impeachment, not sure really what crime they want him charged with specifically and the detail of the charges they would accuse him of. Really, its "I don't like him and wish he wasn't President", which isn't grounds for impeachment. If the emoluments thing is indeed a serious violation, what would probably happen is a court order for him to further divest or risk impeachment, but since the law is unclear, he would have to first face some sort of hearing and subsequent court order.

As far as Bannon running the show, that's just a bunch of left-wing noise set up to drive a wedge between Trump and his adviser in an effort to cause tension within the office. President's get advice from everyone and how much of his decisions are based on Bannon is pure speculation. Also, Bannon is not a white supremacist or fascist any more than Bernie Sanders is a Communist, contrary to left-wing hysteria. The whole coup d'etat thing might as well be from the left's version of infowars.

Media against him, Bannon is alt-right and in charge of a lot of things, picking on China, banning Muslims and then being kicked in the balls by judges stopping him, Spicer's aggressive press conferences, his cabinet picks are billionaires so not sure they 'the people' at the heart of  their ideas just greed for themselves, his proposed ambassador for the EU will be blocked by EU members, his proposed UK visit where we don't actually want him and MPs won't turn up and he just wants photos with the Queen and that is about it, his choice for middle eastern advisor is his son-in-law.  That is all before we talk about his own horrible sexist, racist, dumb-ass, short attention span, phone-putting-down, self.  What are we on 17 days? 

None of which are grounds for impeachment. The media is against him to the point of losing objectivity. Again, Bannon is a fictitious monster that they've turned into some sort of Rasputin. Tensions with China have existed since 1949. The Muslim ban is not a Muslim ban, although it is on shaky constitutional ground (but more for country of origin). Anyways, people seem to be forgetting that Sudan, Somalia, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Iraq don't exactly have what we'd call the most stable of governments with the best of record keeping. Iran doesn't have formal diplomatic relations with us. We are under no obligation to accept citizens from such a country. Ambassadors being blocked is not grounds for impeachment and the EU is teetering as it is.

By all means raise concerns and protest his policies, but keep it based in reality. A lot of people have really lost it when it comes to Trump.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 01:24:16 PM »
Trump's latest executive order! 

Oh no!!!

 :shocked:



http://hepwori.github.io/execorder/

Glad to see our fears of Trump are based in reality.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2017, 01:38:07 PM »
Trump's latest executive order! 

Oh no!!!

 :shocked:



http://hepwori.github.io/execorder/

Glad to see our fears of Trump are based in reality.


 That IS a real order. Really!   :laugh:

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2017, 02:22:19 PM »
Better question is when is Park Guen-hye going to be impeached? Trump is just getting warmed up. Wait til' he pisses on the Constitution and says he made america better.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2017, 02:47:45 PM »
Sorry to pop the liberal dream world bubble...

But there is no win scenario. The problem is American society is rotten to the core, as a result of 50yrs of bad decisions (including liberal "progressive" values, and corporatism of both the left/right). Trump/Bannon are not the problem, so anti-democratic lefty fascists are not going to impeach them, and "magically all better now".

The corporate liberal dream of "getting rid of Trump" would only make him a martyr, which would bring an even nastier revolution. Maybe start dealing with the actual problems instead???  :rolleyes:

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2017, 02:50:02 PM »
Sorry to pop the liberal dream world bubble...

But there is no win scenario. The problem is American society is rotten to the core, as a result of 50yrs of bad decisions (including liberal "progressive" values, and corporatism of both the left/right). Trump/Bannon are not the problem, so anti-democratic lefty fascists are not going to impeach them, and "magically all better now".

The corporate liberal dream of "getting rid of Trump" would only make him a martyr, which would bring an even nastier revolution. Maybe start dealing with the actual problems instead???  :rolleyes:

If his approval rating hits a low enough level the backlash may not be too bigly.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2017, 02:53:42 PM »
If his approval rating hits a low enough level the backlash may not be too bigly.

You can't quiet the mob with "look at these statistics we made up".  :rolleyes:

...they are on to that trick.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2017, 03:33:37 PM »
If his approval rating hits a low enough level the backlash may not be too bigly.

You can't quiet the mob with "look at these statistics we made up".  :rolleyes:

...they are on to that trick.

Quite a different situation if his approval rating is 20% vs 45%. If people take the time to answer those annoying polls it speaks to their dislike.

If the mob is limited to the poorest, least-educated, most ill-informed people it wont travel very well.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2017, 03:34:22 PM »
Sorry to pop the liberal dream world bubble...

But there is no win scenario. The problem is American society is rotten to the core, as a result of 50yrs of bad decisions (including liberal "progressive" values, and corporatism of both the left/right). Trump/Bannon are not the problem, so anti-democratic lefty fascists are not going to impeach them, and "magically all better now".

The corporate liberal dream of "getting rid of Trump" would only make him a martyr, which would bring an even nastier revolution. Maybe start dealing with the actual problems instead???  :rolleyes:

I know, why doesn't Trump just roll over counterrevolutionary running dog American protesters with tanks like your beloved China did in Tiananmen Square?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2017, 03:41:26 PM »
If the mob is limited to the poorest, least-educated, most ill-informed people...

Hehe even they know the polls are made up. Just like they knew Obama's economy was made up.

Bottom line the libs can't take away their guy. It would prove the liberal fascists will not allow real democracy. Conservatives have guns.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2017, 03:46:31 PM »
I know, why doesn't Trump just roll over counterrevolutionary running dog American protesters with tanks...

I don't understand the question. The protesters were baited into this action by him, why would he end them? They are in charge of destroying liberal credibility. Keep up the good work kids!  ;D
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2017, 04:00:08 PM »

...sounds pretty racially-supremacist and homophobically facist, to me. Hitler.

Yup, Trump is literally Hitler. His followers are all Nazis. Completely reasonable point of view that is based on facts and not hyperbole, propaganda, and delusion.

Where are all these Trumpers running around with guns and shooting gays, minorities, and leftists? How come there haven't been any pogroms? Shouldn't these nuts be racing across the country like some mass post-apocalyptic biker gang? What are Trumpers doing? Going to work.

Now, its not fair to characterize the left as a bunch of Antifas running around burning colleges and beating people up with pipes and bricks or engaging in mob attacks against defenseless women, any more than it is fair to characterize Trump by the few knucklehead extremists on his side.

People need to calm down and stop acting like its 1933 in Germany.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2017, 08:14:18 PM »
I am not even sure what the criteria for impeachment is.  I interested to know what "high crimes and misdemeanors" means nowadays.  Nixon would have gotten impeached if he not resigned, but it was done because of a break-in and a robbery.  Meanwhile, he had been attacking countries not only without congressional authorization but secretly.  All kinds of secret programs that were revealed by the Watergate Investigation.  God knows how far you have to go to get impeached today.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2017, 08:32:48 PM »
I am not even sure what the criteria for impeachment is.

Who knows, they tried to impeach Bill for getting his knob waxed or whatever. 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 10:11:38 PM »
If The Donald is truly just signing any order that crosses his desk the 25th amendment (section 4) lays out the process for a President who is unable to fulfill his duties.

Amendment XXV

Section 1.

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2.

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3.

Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2017, 10:22:46 PM »
I am not even sure what the criteria for impeachment is.

Making peace with other countries will do it every time.

The military-security complex needs enemies to justify their $600 billion annual budget.


Threatening the oligarchy's source of income is the biggest offence possible in American politics.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2017, 07:26:51 AM »
I am not even sure what the criteria for impeachment is.

Who knows, they tried to impeach Bill for getting his knob waxed or whatever.

Perjury and obstruction of justice, FYI.

Sure, they always have some legal-spin for their nonsense in America. The criteria is "people we don't like". They'll make up some nonsense for Trump too, if they can...

But might makes right, and Trump has the office, and a mob with guns.