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Title: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CDW on August 11, 2017, 01:46:13 AM
http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/diversity-google-james-damore-memo/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1vEfqHGro

The internal memo that got him fired:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

It sounds like he wanted to start a respectful discussion about the matter and Google decided to shut him down.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Rusty Brown on August 11, 2017, 05:13:42 AM
Can't blame him. Google is populated by reactionary people like you, Talawsohu. I'm sure his employers will get over their public embarrassment.

Edited by moderator to remove untoward slur.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: eggieguffer on August 11, 2017, 05:53:25 AM
Just goes to prove what he says is true. You can't even question certain left wing orthodoxies. Even expressing an opinion that there may be certain biological traits that affect choice of occupation is tantamount to misogyny, as Tawlosohu is claiming above.
Personally I like to keep an open mind. Yeah, sure he was stupid to send round an email about it if he wanted to keep his job.

On a lighter note. Media and Google - 'How dare you, James Damore, claim that women are more emotional than men?'

Spokeswoman from Google - 'Some women didn't come into work today because they were so upset about the memo.'  :smiley:
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Chester Jim on August 11, 2017, 08:22:20 AM
When you say such crazy things as women and men are different then you better expect to get canned .
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: SaintsCanada on August 11, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Can't blame him. Google is populated by reactionary gaylords like you, Talawsohu. I'm sure his employers will get over their public embarrassment.

Wow. Both a homophobic slur, and the incorrect use of "reactionary". Ironic, in that people who use homophobic slurs are, almost by definition, reactionary.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 11, 2017, 09:53:15 AM
I don't support google firing him for his views or even distributing them in response to a request by the company for feedback.

I do support them firing him in a cowardly move to avoid a hit to their share prices and damage to their reputation. They're a business not a religion.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: turningsteel on August 11, 2017, 09:59:27 AM
Counter-point:

He used work email to distribute his rantings (lord, did he try his best to make that memo look like a research paper) and publicly embarrassed his employer.  In addition, he very politely explained to his co-workers that almost half of them are genetically inferior to him.

But shit, at least he didn't bend his knee during the anthem at a football game, am I right?

This is it right here. At one point the guy even says that women are prone to being neurotic and emotional while men are stoic and procedural minded. He creates the definition of a hostile work environment for any women that would be working with him. Of course he was going to get fired.

Oh and Rusty, I'm guessing by your comment that you didn't read nor could you even understand what the guy wrote in his little manifesto. But hey, at least you got your opinion out there right?
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: donuts81 on August 11, 2017, 10:10:45 AM
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In addition, he very politely explained to his co-workers that almost half of them are genetically inferior to him.

No he didn't. He was talking about populations and tendencies not individuals and specifics. Your misrepresentation of what he said is half the problem. No one can have a serious conversation.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CJ on August 11, 2017, 10:17:33 AM
Counter-point:

He used work email to distribute his rantings (lord, did he try his best to make that memo look like a research paper) and publicly embarrassed his employer.  In addition, he very politely explained to his co-workers that almost half of them are genetically inferior to him.

But shit, at least he didn't bend his knee during the anthem at a football game, am I right?

This is it right here. At one point the guy even says that women are prone to being neurotic and emotional while men are stoic and procedural minded. He creates the definition of a hostile work environment for any women that would be working with him. Of course he was going to get fired.

Oh and Rusty, I'm guessing by your comment that you didn't read nor could you even understand what the guy wrote in his little manifesto. But hey, at least you got your opinion out there right?

I think you guys are doing a bit of a character assassination of this guy.

Here's an interview with the guy where any idiot can see he is highly-educated, logical, rational and level-headed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1vEfqHGro

His "little manifesto" in full.

https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f

Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: JNM on August 11, 2017, 10:59:50 AM
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In addition, he very politely explained to his co-workers that almost half of them are genetically inferior to him.

No he didn't. He was talking about populations and tendencies not individuals and specifics. Your misrepresentation of what he said is half the problem. No one can have a serious conversation.

He even had a section dedicated to this subject.

Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Savant on August 11, 2017, 11:05:44 AM
Maybe, he can come to Korea. I hear Ilbe is hiring!
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Aurata on August 11, 2017, 11:14:27 AM
Google has become just another tool in the hands of the Washington oligarchy and is committed to the suppression of free speech.

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Google’s chief search engineer legitimizes new censorship algorithm

By Andre Damon
31 July 2017

Between April and June, Google completed a major revision of its search engine that sharply curtails public access to Internet web sites that operate independently of the corporate and state-controlled media. Since the implementation of the changes, many left wing, anti-war and progressive web sites have experienced a sharp fall in traffic generated by Google searches. The World Socialist Web Site has seen, within just one month, a 70 percent drop in traffic from Google.
In a blog post published on April 25, Ben Gomes, Google’s chief search engineer, rolled out the new censorship program in a statement bearing the Orwellian title, “Our latest quality improvements for search.” This statement has been virtually buried by the corporate media. Neither the New York Times nor the Wall Street Journal has reported the statement. The Washington Post limited its coverage of the statement to a single blog post.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/07/31/goog-j31.html (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/07/31/goog-j31.html)
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CDW on August 11, 2017, 11:17:29 AM
I like Trump's response when he was asked about the gender pay gap:

"You're going to make the same if you do as good a job."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MioIksr8i00

Does the explanation for every gender disparity always have to be that women are oppressed?
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CJ on August 11, 2017, 11:32:01 AM
I like Trump's response when he was asked about the gender pay gap:

"You're going to make the same if you do as good a job."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MioIksr8i00

Does the explanation for every gender disparity always have to be that women are oppressed?

Yes, it does! Didn't you know that there is an unseen white male forcing every woman into making the choices they make in life?



Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CDW on August 11, 2017, 11:38:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/7Qe9yGS.jpg)
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CDW on August 11, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
Breitbart News has started a "Rebels of Google" series in which Google employees speak out (anonymously) about their oppressive work environment.
http://www.breitbart.com/tag/rebels-of-google/
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: eggieguffer on August 11, 2017, 02:01:05 PM
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The firing of this man is indirectly the fault of the right wing and its philosophy. If not for at-will employment, this man would have had a better shot at keeping his job. If unions weren't as demonizied, he might have an organizaion to help him fight the dismissal. Instead, all he can do is lament over a pint and hope he is not completely blacklisted from the industry.

Actually I think he's going to sue. And if he can prove they broke employment laws he'll win.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 11, 2017, 02:46:09 PM
Y'all want an adult conversation? Okay then.

Let's ignore the middle-school debate topic of "Women in the Workforce." I doubt any minds will be changed on that subject.

The firing of this man is indirectly the fault of the right wing and its philosophy. If not for at-will employment, this man would have had a better shot at keeping his job. If unions weren't as demonizied, he might have an organizaion to help him fight the dismissal. Instead, all he can do is lament over a pint and hope he is not completely blacklisted from the industry.

This is the corporate atmosphere you wanted, rightwingers. Remember that when it works against you.

Also, to person who called me a gaylord, come back to this thread when you finish with puberty.

Jobs such as his were never unionized. If you are a techie or a stockbroker or a lawyer, you have always played under a different set of rules than a factory worker or a teacher or a teamster.

He threatened google's brand. I may agree with him, but if I was a google shareholder I'd want his ass out and I think they should be able to.

I do think it's worrisome that what amounts to a borderline monopoly is a company that's committed to a "social diversity" view as its brand as opposed to a content neutral, wide open company, but that's google's choice and until they are broken up, it's how things are.

However, the internet is such a free marketplace that sooner or later some outfit will start that will offer the same things as google, facebook, and youtube that will be more diverse in political ideology and not weeded to a certain identity. They will rise, and google will have some level of decline. People will migrate there, that company will rise. 'googlize' itself, people will move on and that one will decline, etc. It's all a cycle.

The one area where google could be in trouble is that apparently this memo was in response to a request for company feedback. I'm not sure on the particulars of it becoming disseminated, but this could be troublesome. If the company solicited feedback from its employees, received feedback, and fired someone because of the feedback they gave, THAT is a problem.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: eggieguffer on August 11, 2017, 02:58:38 PM
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And while I vehemently disagree with his opinions

Did you read the whole thing, as I can't really see how anyone could 'vehemently' disagree with it? He cites sources and studies you might think are dodgy etc.. but none of this nature or nurture stuff has been proved definitively one way or another. If the science part isn't fully proven then how can you be so sure about the other stuff?
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Rusty Brown on August 11, 2017, 03:07:12 PM
Can't blame him. Google is populated by reactionary gaylords like you, Talawsohu. I'm sure his employers will get over their public embarrassment.

Wow. Both a homophobic slur, and the incorrect use of "reactionary". Ironic, in that people who use homophobic slurs are, almost by definition, reactionary.

Liberals are the new reactionaries. They are the ones opposed to true, meaningful social reform. They are the puritans of modern society. Gaylord is a playground slur, get over it.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 11, 2017, 03:15:06 PM
Liberals are the new reactionaries. They are the ones opposed to true, meaningful social reform. They are the puritans of modern society. Gaylord is a playground slur, get over it.

Leaving aside whether such slurs are okay here (free for all ala youtube or 'no hate' ala Twitter is fine by me either way, as long as it's applied fairly), it's just unimaginative. Isn't there a more creative playground insult you could come up with? Two thumbs down on 'gaylord' in my book. If I was Talawsohu, I wouldn't be sweating things if that's the best you can come up with.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: zola on August 11, 2017, 03:36:52 PM
The captain of my cricket team when i was a wee kid had the surname Gaylord. That's a character builder. There was also a kid with the family name of Ramsbottum. We were too young to find it funny though.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: donovan on August 11, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
Not the same guy?... :sad:
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: MayorHaggar on August 11, 2017, 04:13:19 PM
The only mistake Google made was allowing some random employee to spam everyone's inbox with a bunch of psuedoscience.



It is hilarious seeing the alt-reich cry crocodile tears about how Silicon Valley is oppressing them and isn't allowing "a diversity of opinions," when modern conservatism is based on rejecting any kind of opposing view and dragging anyone through the dirt who isn't a cultist conservative. The vast majority of tech workers are male, and libertarian misogyny is really common among these techie bros. It's not like male techies are exactly being oppressed or anything.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: pkjh on August 11, 2017, 06:06:46 PM
The only mistake Google made was allowing some random employee to spam everyone's inbox with a bunch of psuedoscience.

It is hilarious seeing the alt-reich cry crocodile tears about how Silicon Valley is oppressing them and isn't allowing "a diversity of opinions," when modern conservatism is based on rejecting any kind of opposing view and dragging anyone through the dirt who isn't a cultist conservative. The vast majority of tech workers are male, and libertarian misogyny is really common among these techie bros. It's not like male techies are exactly being oppressed or anything.
An EE major here, worked a few years in the field after I graduated, in Ottawa though. What you say is true. It's like their middle/high school years they were oppressed nerds, literally being bullied by athletes. But now as adults things have changed, they're nerds making good cash, so at times girls are now throwing themselves at them (especially in that Silicon Valley area). They are the new jocks.

Anyways it's not like high-tech geeks are more sexist than the rest of the population. The percentage is probably the same, but you have a more amplified attitude, where in many places like 100% of the your workforce is male. Where in other industries attitudes would be toned down because of the mere presence of a woman in the room. I personally spent a few years in a place where it was more like 17/20 male. However, we had quite a number of secretaries, and government consultants (which helps even the gender ratio) around, which helped quell a lot of the 'locker room' talk. I can just imagine what would be said if there were no women around...
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: StillInKorea on August 11, 2017, 06:33:46 PM
SJWs make me appreciate living in Korea. For all the BS we have to deal with here, we at least get to avoid their hysterical drama.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: eggieguffer on August 11, 2017, 06:41:27 PM
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Anyways it's not like high-tech geeks are more sexist than the rest of the population. The percentage is probably the same, but you have a more amplified attitude, where in many places like 100% of the your workforce is male. Where in other industries attitudes would be toned down because of the mere presence of a woman in the room. I personally spent a few years in a place where it was more like 17/20 male. However, we had quite a number of secretaries, and government consultants (which helps even the gender ratio) around, which helped quell a lot of the 'locker room' talk. I can just imagine what would be said if there were no women around...

That's actually what the guy was saying, that he thought a more diverse workforce would be a good thing. He was just questioning the right way to go about it.

What Google and some other companies seem to be saying is 'men and women are exactly the same.' 'More gender diversity is better for the company' Umm in that case, Why?
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Aurata on August 11, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
Google works hand in hand with the NSA and CIA to expand unconstitutional spying on everyone everywhere

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Wikileaks Reveals Google's "Strategic Plan" To Help Democrats Win The Election, Track Voters

Google planned the creation of a voter tracking database, using smart phones:

Key is the development of a single record for a voter that aggregates all that is known about them.  In 2016 smart phones will be used to identify, meet, and update profiles on the voter.  A dynamic volunteer can easily speak with a voter and, with their email or other digital handle, get the voter videos and other answers to areas they care about (“the benefits of ACA to you” etc.)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/wikileaks-reveals-googles-strategic-plan-help-democrats-win-election (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/wikileaks-reveals-googles-strategic-plan-help-democrats-win-election)

...and also to suppress independent and dissenting thought and expression.

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13 websites arbitrarily branded by Google as fake news or conspiracy sites whose readership Google has managed to reduce between 19 and 67 percent:

* wsws.org fell by 67 percent
* alternet.org fell by 63 percent
* globalresearch.ca fell by 62 percent
* consortiumnews.com fell by 47 percent
* socialistworker.org fell by 47 percent
* mediamatters.org fell by 42 percent
* commondreams.org fell by 37 percent
* internationalviewpoint.org fell by 36 percent
* democracynow.org fell by 36 percent
* wikileaks.org fell by 30 percent
* truth-out.org fell by 25 percent
* counterpunch.org fell by 21 percent
theintercept.com fell by 19 percent

It is completely obvious that none of these sites are fake news or conspiracy sites. These sites are under Google censorship because they question the official lies that are used to control the explanations given to the people.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CDW on August 12, 2017, 08:07:36 AM
Debra Soh, who has a PhD in sexual neuroscience, defends Damore.

"As mentioned in the memo, gendered interests are predicted by exposure to prenatal testosterone – higher levels are associated with a preference for mechanically interesting things and occupations in adulthood. Lower levels are associated with a preference for people-oriented activities and occupations. This is why STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) fields tend to be dominated by men....

"In fact, research has shown that cultures with greater gender equity have larger sex differences when it comes to job preferences, because in these societies, people are free to choose their occupations based on what they enjoy.

"As the memo suggests, seeking to fulfill a 50-per-cent quota of women in STEM is unrealistic. As gender equity continues to improve in developing societies, we should expect to see this gender gap widen.

"This trend continues into the area of personality, as well. Contrary to what detractors would have you believe, women are, on average, higher in neuroticism and agreeableness, and lower in stress tolerance.

"Some intentionally deny the science because they are afraid it will be used to justify keeping women out of STEM. But sexism isn't the result of knowing facts; it's the result of what people choose to do with them."
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/no-the-google-manifesto-isnt-sexist-or-anti-diversity-its-science/article35903359/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: eggieguffer on August 12, 2017, 08:19:28 AM
Debra Soh, who has a PhD in sexual neuroscience, defends Damore.

"As mentioned in the memo, gendered interests are predicted by exposure to prenatal testosterone – higher levels are associated with a preference for mechanically interesting things and occupations in adulthood. Lower levels are associated with a preference for people-oriented activities and occupations. This is why STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) fields tend to be dominated by men....

"In fact, research has shown that cultures with greater gender equity have larger sex differences when it comes to job preferences, because in these societies, people are free to choose their occupations based on what they enjoy.

"As the memo suggests, seeking to fulfill a 50-per-cent quota of women in STEM is unrealistic. As gender equity continues to improve in developing societies, we should expect to see this gender gap widen.

"This trend continues into the area of personality, as well. Contrary to what detractors would have you believe, women are, on average, higher in neuroticism and agreeableness, and lower in stress tolerance.

"Some intentionally deny the science because they are afraid it will be used to justify keeping women out of STEM. But sexism isn't the result of knowing facts; it's the result of what people choose to do with them."
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/no-the-google-manifesto-isnt-sexist-or-anti-diversity-its-science/article35903359/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

One solution would be just to pay everyone in stem fields less money, so they'd become like construction or sanitation. Fields dominated by men that no one talks about or cares.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CDW on August 21, 2017, 05:03:38 AM
"Really, it’s like being gay in the 1950s. These conservatives have to stay in the closet and have to mask who they really are. And that’s a huge problem because there’s open discrimination against anyone who comes out of the closet as a conservative."
-James Damore

It sounds like his lawsuit against Google has a reasonable chance of succeeding. It's illegal to fire an employee for merely raising concerns about working conditions.

" 'The crux of his claim is whether Google penalized him for raising concerns about working conditions (i.e., unfair treatment of white men?)' Sharpe said. 'Whether the manifesto really constitutes a "concern about working conditions" and whether he was acting for the good of others will be the dispositive issues. I am not aware of any cases that are exactly on point, but there are certainly cases that litigate this issue and cases where employees are returned to work.' "
http://www.businessinsider.com/james-damore-may-win-nlra-legal-case-google-2017-8
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: JNM on August 21, 2017, 06:53:43 AM
More likely a nice settlement with strings attached.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Arabin on August 21, 2017, 09:14:37 AM
"Really, it’s like being gay in the 1950s. These conservatives have to stay in the closet and have to mask who they really are. And that’s a huge problem because there’s open discrimination against anyone who comes out of the closet as a conservative."
-James Damore

It sounds like his lawsuit against Google has a reasonable chance of succeeding. It's illegal to fire an employee for merely raising concerns about working conditions.

" 'The crux of his claim is whether Google penalized him for raising concerns about working conditions (i.e., unfair treatment of white men?)' Sharpe said. 'Whether the manifesto really constitutes a "concern about working conditions" and whether he was acting for the good of others will be the dispositive issues. I am not aware of any cases that are exactly on point, but there are certainly cases that litigate this issue and cases where employees are returned to work.' "
http://www.businessinsider.com/james-damore-may-win-nlra-legal-case-google-2017-8

I like the gay in the 50's comment. Not melodramatic in the slightest. Because being beaten up and arrested for trying to have a love life is the same as having people sneer at you for being an entitled right wing manchild.

But I presume Google's very expensive lawyers will claim he was fired for bringing Google into disrepute. I haven't read the ten pages because life is too short but I would be very surprised if it confined itself to saying that the way diversity was handled at Google was a problem. Any tired biology/STEM argument can be seized upon to say this is why he was binned.

Manchild didn't help himself by going straight to Redpill youtubers when he was canned. That makes it very, very easy to paint him for just another angry virgin who think he is owed blowjobs and money by the virtue of his testes and pigmentation.

Even factoring a few media-whore lawyers willing to pro-bono this, Manchild will have to think very hard about suing Google. Because they have more resources than most nations and if he loses, and Google gets awarded costs, he is well and truly f**ked.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Mr C on August 21, 2017, 09:29:25 AM
I like Trump's response when he was asked about the gender pay gap:

"You're going to make the same if you do as good a job."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MioIksr8i00

Trump said it, so it must be true.

Wait.  Almost exactly not.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 21, 2017, 10:48:28 AM
Trump said it, so it must be true.

Wait.  Almost exactly not.

The wage gap evidence is suspect at best. Most indepth analysis of it really question how strong of an effect there is once you start controlling for a variety of factors.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: shanebarry1986 on August 21, 2017, 07:48:30 PM

At one point the guy even says that women are prone to being neurotic and emotional

Women are literally more neurotic than men, on average.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9200973
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: sligo on August 21, 2017, 08:20:26 PM

At one point the guy even says that women are prone to being neurotic and emotional

Women are literally more neurotic than men, on average.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9200973

Are we allowed to get irate when someone tells us that: "Women are genetically batter than men at multitasking"?
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: JNM on August 21, 2017, 08:33:42 PM

At one point the guy even says that women are prone to being neurotic and emotional

Women are literally more neurotic than men, on average.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9200973

Are we allowed to get irate when someone tells us that: "Women are genetically batter than men at multitasking"?

Only if you are a woman feeling (self) pressured to do more than your male coworker.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: gogators! on August 21, 2017, 10:01:31 PM
Trump said it, so it must be true.

Wait.  Almost exactly not.

The wage gap evidence is suspect at best. Most indepth analysis of it really question how strong of an effect there is once you start controlling for a variety of factors.
Examples please, from a reputable source if possible.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: SweetFlaxAndBarley on August 22, 2017, 07:31:35 AM
"The earnings comparisons in this report are on a broad level and do not control for many factors that can be significant in explaining earnings differences, such as job skills and responsibilities, work experience, and specialization. See the accompanying technical notes section for more information, including a description of the source of the data and an explanation of the concepts and definitions used in this report"

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/womens-earnings/2015/home.htm
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: Arabin on August 22, 2017, 07:46:36 AM

At one point the guy even says that women are prone to being neurotic and emotional

Women are literally more neurotic than men, on average.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9200973

Odd because most of the unhinged clowns who obsessively troll this forum with their tired talking points stolen from 4chan, are men.
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: CJ on August 22, 2017, 10:05:39 AM
Trump said it, so it must be true.

Wait.  Almost exactly not.

The wage gap evidence is suspect at best. Most indepth analysis of it really question how strong of an effect there is once you start controlling for a variety of factors.
Examples please, from a reputable source if possible.

I'm not going to wipe your arse for you if you want stats as I am sure you are more than capable of using gulag (google), but for starters, the highest paid professions such as engineering are dominated by males, so is the tech industry and high level surgeons plus a host of dangerous and dirty jobs which males choose to do.

Lower paid work in the fields of education, nursing, speech pathology and receptionist work are the dominant fields chosen by females. They choose to take on these lower paying fields of work; no one is forcing them to do it.

As mentioned, there are a host of factors that affect someone's wage:

Occupation
Hours worked
Willingness to travel
Tenure
Qualifications
Willingness to ask for a raise

Furthermore, it is illegal to pay a male more for doing the same job so I'd like to see some evidence from you that argues against that.

Lastly, if males get paid more for doing the same job, why isn't every office in the world full of women who allegedly get paid less? Imagine all the savings from your wage bill!
Title: Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
Post by: weigookin74 on August 31, 2017, 10:22:23 AM
Tolerance is a one way street for many leftists.  Bigotry of other people and other ideas are perfectly acceptable to them.  They have no response when you give them inconvenient things like "facts".  Even CNN gets in on the action.  They only want some facts and not others.  They don't want both sides of the story nor to be fair and even handed.  Integrity, honor, and fairness have been replaced by dishonesty, hate, intimidation, violence, and all around general creepiness. 

Not to say all are, especially older liberal and conservative friends.  They are much more rational, more mature, they don't need safe spaces, they don't get triggered, they don't get violent, they don't try to "shut you up", and they respect you at the end of the day for what type of person you are and how you treat them and other people.  (I have, for the record, even met many nice millennials.  Thirty seven % of them did vote for Trump and did vote against this PC crap.  Many others went 3rd party and many more stayed home.  So, at least half of them have some clue of what is going on, even if not fully in agreement all the time.)