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Title: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 07, 2016, 02:00:54 PM
 :-*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 07, 2016, 02:03:07 PM
ALL GOOD THINGS COME IN THREES.

Except World Wars.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 07, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
Ihatethisphone I know it's loading too slow for me to makenit in first
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 07, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
Thank god! 3.0 is here! I almost had to go rant/vent on facebook or something.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 07, 2016, 02:04:29 PM
The other one was DELETED though?  :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 07, 2016, 02:04:54 PM
The other one was DELETED though?  :huh:

I guess so because my post count is now half of what it was
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 07, 2016, 02:06:37 PM
The other one was DELETED though?  :huh:

I guess so because my post count is now half of what it was

haha yeah me too. So much venting and ranting to get that post count up and then POOF! gone. Sad day.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 07, 2016, 02:06:48 PM
The other one was DELETED though?  :huh:

I guess so because my post count is now half of what it was

So weird that it just got deleted. I think I'm missing a fair few from my post count too
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 07, 2016, 02:08:46 PM
It could've just been closed and existed as an archive... I'm kind of upset I couldn't read any replies I received from a few hours ago  :undecided:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 07, 2016, 02:08:54 PM
The other one was DELETED though?  :huh:

I guess so because my post count is now half of what it was

So weird that it just got deleted. I think I'm missing a fair few from my post count too

Holy shit. I just lost 200 damn comments.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: GuyinKorea on July 07, 2016, 02:16:13 PM
Can we rant about the rant thread being completely removed.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 07, 2016, 02:21:19 PM
The other one was DELETED though?  :huh:

I guess so because my post count is now half of what it was

haha yeah me too. So much venting and ranting to get that post count up and then POOF! gone. Sad day.

It's all for the post count! I'll never become an Expert Waygook this way... :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mr. Pink on July 07, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
posted this in another thread but i'll repost it here. i'll give the mods the benefit of the doubt here and say that maybe it hit the page count limit. that thread was looooonnngggggg. i hope the mods can clarify.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 07, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
posted this in another thread but i'll repost it here. i'll give the mods the benefit of the doubt here and say that maybe it hit the page count limit. that thread was looooonnngggggg. i hope the mods can clarify.

Super arbitrary number though.  It was like page 231.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 07, 2016, 02:27:59 PM
All of that history, just gone.... :cry:

Rant: My co has been working on our shopping list for camp literally all day. She's in a tizzy because the website lists the milk we want as out of stock, and I said it might be in stock before we need to order it (in 2.5 weeks) but that's not good enough because she needs to make an "official document" (her favorite two words) of our list. Why does it even matter goodness gracious just calm down.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 07, 2016, 02:28:28 PM
posted this in another thread but i'll repost it here. i'll give the mods the benefit of the doubt here and say that maybe it hit the page count limit. that thread was looooonnngggggg. i hope the mods can clarify.

Please refrain from reposting the same material.  You're already on watch.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Yaya on July 07, 2016, 02:38:29 PM
I've checked the Moderation Log and there is no evidence of it being deleted. It seems to have disappeared.

I actually don't know what happened to it and I have P.M'd Arsalan to find out if there is a limit on how long a thread can be (I have no idea since we haven't had another thread of that length in all the time I've been a mod).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mr. Pink on July 07, 2016, 02:41:26 PM
posted this in another thread but i'll repost it here. i'll give the mods the benefit of the doubt here and say that maybe it hit the page count limit. that thread was looooonnngggggg. i hope the mods can clarify.

Super arbitrary number though.  It was like page 231.

i was thinking maybe there was some kinda auto-archive function once a thread hits a certain number of pages or posts. but 231 is kinda a random number. maybe it's got to do with number of posts in a thread rather than page numbers.

one of the mods said it just disappeared so guess we just gotta wait to find out what happened.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on July 07, 2016, 02:44:31 PM
All of that history, just gone.... :cry:

Rant: My co has been working on our shopping list for camp literally all day. She's in a tizzy because the website lists the milk we want as out of stock, and I said it might be in stock before we need to order it (in 2.5 weeks) but that's not good enough because she needs to make an "official document" (her favorite two words) of our list. Why does it even matter goodness gracious just calm down.

The thing is, "official documents" are what your CoT has to send to her higher-ups. They're gonna check the price list and all and make sure everything is within the budget and such. My guess is that if the higher-up folks see that an item on your list is out of stock, they're going to assume that it's unavailable at the price y'all wrote down. So she'll have to make another one. Better to go ahead and find a backup plan from the jump.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Angelinkorea on July 07, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
Something's weird here, I'm not buying the auto delete idea.

CO2 just had a thread locked for asking the mods what gives. Why do that unless the site is going through another user/mod battle? We've had many of these before. Mod locks thread, everyone annoyed at being treated like child, multiple threads (some of them funny and some not) get started about mods, warnings doled out like candy, tedious passive aggressive BS until the weekend rolls around and we all remember we have lives.

The thing is there often was a reason for the initial lock. Many times the mods had warned users about what annoyed them. Does anyone remember what the last post was about?

My personal theory is that a mod got fat fingered and deleted the thread by accident but no one wants to own up to it. A "not in front of the enlisted men" type of deal.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 07, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
All of that history, just gone.... :cry:

Rant: My co has been working on our shopping list for camp literally all day. She's in a tizzy because the website lists the milk we want as out of stock, and I said it might be in stock before we need to order it (in 2.5 weeks) but that's not good enough because she needs to make an "official document" (her favorite two words) of our list. Why does it even matter goodness gracious just calm down.

The thing is, "official documents" are what your CoT has to send to her higher-ups. They're gonna check the price list and all and make sure everything is within the budget and such. My guess is that if the higher-up folks see that an item on your list is out of stock, they're going to assume that it's unavailable at the price y'all wrote down. So she'll have to make another one. Better to go ahead and find a backup plan from the jump.
It's just funny listening to her say "official document" because to her absolutely everything, no matter how trivial, is an "official document." We found a substitute, and hopefully it won't go out of stock so we don't have to deal with this rigamaroll all over again. Though they wouldn't have even known it was out of stock unless she told them, so she could have just sent them our original list but maybe she figured that was dishonest.
 The higher-ups were finally convinced that it would be okay to give me the school card so I could just go buy some cooking supplies myself for the second week, but dang it was like pulling teeth getting there. This whole camp process is blown so out of proportion.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on July 07, 2016, 03:21:30 PM
All of that history, just gone.... :cry:

Rant: My co has been working on our shopping list for camp literally all day. She's in a tizzy because the website lists the milk we want as out of stock, and I said it might be in stock before we need to order it (in 2.5 weeks) but that's not good enough because she needs to make an "official document" (her favorite two words) of our list. Why does it even matter goodness gracious just calm down.

The thing is, "official documents" are what your CoT has to send to her higher-ups. They're gonna check the price list and all and make sure everything is within the budget and such. My guess is that if the higher-up folks see that an item on your list is out of stock, they're going to assume that it's unavailable at the price y'all wrote down. So she'll have to make another one. Better to go ahead and find a backup plan from the jump.
It's just funny listening to her say "official document" because to her absolutely everything, no matter how trivial, is an "official document." We found a substitute, and hopefully it won't go out of stock so we don't have to deal with this rigamaroll all over again. Though they wouldn't have even known it was out of stock unless she told them, so she could have just sent them our original list but maybe she figured that was dishonest.
 The higher-ups were finally convinced that it would be okay to give me the school card so I could just go buy some cooking supplies myself for the second week, but dang it was like pulling teeth getting there. This whole camp process is blown so out of proportion.
True dat.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 07, 2016, 03:23:57 PM
 :lipsrsealed: CO2 teacer, where will you go on vacation?

 :smiley: I'm going to Vietnam. I said that 5 times.

 :lipsrsealed: Why are you going?

 :undecided: For a vacation.

 :lipsrsealed: Oh, I put in the system "Family trip."

 :undecided: Uhh, ok. Is that better?

 :lipsrsealed: Yes, this is a better reason.

WHY DOES THIS MATTER? Is it because I'm going with my GF? I live with her, she ain't my wife. Yeah, it's true!

STAY OUT OF MY LIFE BUREAUCRACY
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Yaya on July 07, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Something's weird here, I'm not buying the auto delete idea.

CO2 just had a thread locked for asking the mods what gives. Why do that unless the site is going through another user/mod battle? We've had many of these before. Mod locks thread, everyone annoyed at being treated like child, multiple threads (some of them funny and some not) get started about mods, warnings doled out like candy, tedious passive aggressive BS until the weekend rolls around and we all remember we have lives.

The thing is there often was a reason for the initial lock. Many times the mods had warned users about what annoyed them. Does anyone remember what the last post was about?

My personal theory is that a mod got fat fingered and deleted the thread by accident but no one wants to own up to it. A "not in front of the enlisted men" type of deal.

I locked CO2's thread because I answered the question here and wanted to wait until I heard from Arsalan before replying to CO2's question.

If you don't buy the auto delete idea then that's your own thing and that's fine. I try to be open and honest about the moderating that goes on here and as I have said, there is no evidence of it being deleted in the mod log.

As for a mod getting fat fingered...we have the ability to restore any post/thread that was deleted.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 07, 2016, 03:29:55 PM
The other one was DELETED though?  :huh:

I guess so because my post count is now half of what it was

Mine too....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JNM on July 07, 2016, 03:42:07 PM
:lipsrsealed: CO2 teacer, where will you go on vacation?

 :smiley: I'm going to Vietnam. I said that 5 times.

 :lipsrsealed: Why are you going?

 :undecided: For a vacation.

 :lipsrsealed: Oh, I put in the system "Family trip."

 :undecided: Uhh, ok. Is that better?

 :lipsrsealed: Yes, this is a better reason.

WHY DOES THIS MATTER? Is it because I'm going with my GF? I live with her, she ain't my wife. Yeah, it's true!

STAY OUT OF MY LIFE BUREAUCRACY

Because if it wasn't a family trip, certain non-family activites are assumed to be happening.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 07, 2016, 03:58:34 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: mrc45 on July 07, 2016, 04:00:55 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.

ahjumma ajumma

There's no h in ajumma.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 07, 2016, 04:03:10 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.

ahjumma ajumma

There's no h in ajumma.

There is when I type it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on July 07, 2016, 04:03:59 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.

ahjumma ajumma

There's no h in ajumma.

None of those letters are in 아줌마. You can't tell people how to English-spell a word that's not in English in the first place. Did you know what she was talking about? Then it's spelled fine.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Savant on July 07, 2016, 04:07:23 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.

ahjumma ajumma

There's no h in ajumma.

There is when I type it.

And when I say it after one of them elbows past me to get to a bus or subway. "Ahhhh-jumma!!!!"
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: mrc45 on July 07, 2016, 04:13:17 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.

ahjumma ajumma

There's no h in ajumma.

There is when I type it.

There is a right way to spell something and a wrong way. We have the Revised Romanization and McCune-Reischauer systems of transliterating Korean. There's also the rarely used Yale system. None of them spell 아 as ah. It is simply a. That is the spelling rule. Your personal desire or thought on the matter is entirely irrelevant and exposes the fact you are unaware of the correct spelling forms. Were you to spell night as "nite" would not make it correct, just because "that's how you type it."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: mrc45 on July 07, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.

ahjumma ajumma

There's no h in ajumma.

None of those letters are in 아줌마. You can't tell people how to English-spell a word that's not in English in the first place. Did you know what she was talking about? Then it's spelled fine.

Whether you're aware of it or not, and you're obviously not, there are systems for transliterating languages into English that rely on certain spelling rules.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 07, 2016, 04:40:29 PM
While I appreciate the installation of new door locks and apparently now an alarm, I am annoyed by all the mosquitoes and such creatures that invade my home while the front door remains open  >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 07, 2016, 04:43:40 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.

ahjumma ajumma

There's no h in ajumma.

There is when I type it.

There is a right way to spell something and a wrong way. We have the Revised Romanization and McCune-Reischauer systems of transliterating Korean. There's also the rarely used Yale system. None of them spell 아 as ah. It is simply a. That is the spelling rule. Your personal desire or thought on the matter is entirely irrelevant and exposes the fact you are unaware of the correct spelling forms. Were you to spell night as "nite" would not make it correct, just because "that's how you type it."

(http://i.imgur.com/VoasIoc.png?1)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 07, 2016, 05:20:07 PM
why are you guys spelling odchuuma wrong wtf
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on July 07, 2016, 05:29:07 PM
Naw, guys, it was an the Ahjumma Smash. Too much awesome for a single thread to handle.

ahjumma ajumma

There's no h in ajumma.

None of those letters are in 아줌마. You can't tell people how to English-spell a word that's not in English in the first place. Did you know what she was talking about? Then it's spelled fine.

Whether you're aware of it or not, and you're obviously not, there are systems for transliterating languages into English that rely on certain spelling rules.

There are systems for romanization. Several of them. There are several of them and none of them is right or wrong. If even you consult the pros they state their system is a system, not the system. Romanization is a method to make the pronunciation of Korean more accessible to English speakers, not the method for "properly" spelling Korean in English.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: zola on July 07, 2016, 05:57:31 PM
Revised Romanization of Korean (RR, also called South Korean or Ministry of Culture (MC) 2000): This is the most commonly used and widely accepted system of romanization for Korean. It includes rules both for transcription and for transliteration. South Korea now officially uses this system which was approved in 2000. Road signs and textbooks were required to follow these rules as soon as possible, at a cost estimated by the government to be at least US$20 million.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 07, 2016, 07:00:08 PM
So we should probably honour... sorry I mean honor... no wait honour RR (2000) yeah? We can't even agree on how to spell English words in English.  :P *supports Ahjumma smash
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 07, 2016, 08:08:11 PM
There is a standard romanization, but look at all the trouble people outside this culture still have pronouncing Korean words. Not everybody is aware of the standard romanization or Korean phonemes, so I would say that sometimes deviating from the standard is justified. Take the last name 최, for instance. Who in the West would ever see 'Choi' and automatically think, "Oh, 최"? They're going to say 'Choy' or 'Cho-ee'. In that case, why not experiment with 'Chay' or even 'Ché'? Still not perfect, but closer to it than you're going to get with the standard romanization in most cases. With 'ajumma' as well, someone might see it and not realize that the As require a long vowel sound. Look at the the Korean '안's in this country. How do they usually choose to transliterate it? 'An'? No way. You always see 'Ahn' because that signifies to the reader that you need to draw out the 'a' sound. That's a standard deviation (not a 'standard deviation') from the standard. Until the word 'ajumma' is ensconced in Webster's, I think it's fair to transliterate it in any way that most accurately conveys the true pronunciation. I, for one, would love to see the term 'ahjumma smash' added to the OED. ;D

'Waygook smash' as well^^
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 07, 2016, 08:09:50 PM
There is a standard romanization, but look at all the trouble people outside this culture still have pronouncing Korean words. Not everybody is aware of the standard romanization or Korean phenomes, so I would say that sometimes deviating from the standard is justified. Take the last name 최, for instance. Who in the West would ever see 'Choi' and automatically think, "Oh, 최"? They're going to say 'Choy' or 'Cho-ee'. In that case, why not experiment with 'Chay' or even 'Ché'? Still not perfect, but closer to it than you're going to get with the standard romanization in most cases. With 'ajumma' as well, someone might see it and not realize the the As require a long vowel sound. Look at the the Korean '안's in this country. How do they usually choose to transliterate it? 'An'? No way. You always see 'Ahn' because that signifies to the reader that you need to draw out the 'a' sound. That's a standard deviation (not a 'standard deviation') from the standard. Until the word 'ajumma' is ensconced in Webster's, I think it's fair to transliterate it in any way that most accurately conveys the true pronunciation. I, for one, would love to see the term 'ahjumma smash' added to the OED. ;D

'Waygook smash' as well^^

I feel like the Romanization of that is really misleading to that actual phonetic pronunciation. I am certain I am not alone on this.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 07, 2016, 08:16:31 PM
I'm sorry, I mean 'oeguk seumaeshui'.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 07, 2016, 08:22:59 PM
N.B. Abraham, you quoted me before I changed 'phenomes' to 'phonemes'! I know the difference, I swear! :-[
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 07, 2016, 08:28:46 PM
And stop calling me 도노반, damnit! :afro:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on July 07, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
There is a standard romanization, but look at all the trouble people outside this culture still have pronouncing Korean words. Not everybody is aware of the standard romanization or Korean phonemes, so I would say that sometimes deviating from the standard is justified. Take the last name 최, for instance. Who in the West would ever see 'Choi' and automatically think, "Oh, 최"? They're going to say 'Choy' or 'Cho-ee'. In that case, why not experiment with 'Chay' or even 'Ché'? Still not perfect, but closer to it than you're going to get with the standard romanization in most cases. With 'ajumma' as well, someone might see it and not realize that the As require a long vowel sound. Look at the the Korean '안's in this country. How do they usually choose to transliterate it? 'An'? No way. You always see 'Ahn' because that signifies to the reader that you need to draw out the 'a' sound. That's a standard deviation (not a 'standard deviation') from the standard. Until the word 'ajumma' is ensconced in Webster's, I think it's fair to transliterate it in any way that most accurately conveys the true pronunciation. I, for one, would love to see the term 'ahjumma smash' added to the OED. ;D

'Waygook smash' as well^^

That. All of that. Also, even within Korea that Revised Romanization is not always followed. Even when you read the romanization of subway station names for example, they are not standardized. Busan on some maps is written that way, and on other maps it's written Pusan. There is no right way, there is just the way that is best to the individual.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on July 08, 2016, 12:17:24 AM
Guys, let's stop with this topic. It's a road leading from nothing to nowhere.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 08, 2016, 07:42:49 AM
After the talk about pokemon go yesterday I downloaded it, but my map is blank and I haven't come across any pokemon  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 08, 2016, 07:55:49 AM
I've checked the Moderation Log and there is no evidence of it being deleted. It seems to have disappeared.

I actually don't know what happened to it and I have P.M'd Arsalan to find out if there is a limit on how long a thread can be (I have no idea since we haven't had another thread of that length in all the time I've been a mod).

So....... What happened? I know I'm not the only one who's curious about this.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on July 08, 2016, 07:58:47 AM
After the talk about pokemon go yesterday I downloaded it, but my map is blank and I haven't come across any pokemon  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Is it out in Korea now? I heard it had only been released in New Zealand, Japan, and America. :o
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: rltraylor59 on July 08, 2016, 08:01:06 AM
After the talk about pokemon go yesterday I downloaded it, but my map is blank and I haven't come across any pokemon  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I was reading that Pokemon Go doesn't work in Korea because of some problem with Google Maps in Korea. We'll just have to wait until we go home to catch em all.  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 08, 2016, 08:09:29 AM
After the talk about pokemon go yesterday I downloaded it, but my map is blank and I haven't come across any pokemon  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I was reading that Pokemon Go doesn't work in Korea because of some problem with Google Maps in Korea. We'll just have to wait until we go home to catch em all.  :sad:

Is it out in Korea now? I heard it had only been released in New Zealand, Japan, and America. :o

I downloaded it because I have the american app store on my phone. But it's hugely based on actual physical location/surroundings so if the app hasn't mapped them out yet due to the map problem...there are no landmarks to visit.

Apparently the landmarks are basically the same as in Ingress but I can't find a map of landmarks in Busan.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: rltraylor59 on July 08, 2016, 08:21:25 AM
After the talk about pokemon go yesterday I downloaded it, but my map is blank and I haven't come across any pokemon  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I was reading that Pokemon Go doesn't work in Korea because of some problem with Google Maps in Korea. We'll just have to wait until we go home to catch em all.  :sad:

Is it out in Korea now? I heard it had only been released in New Zealand, Japan, and America. :o

I downloaded it because I have the american app store on my phone. But it's hugely based on actual physical location/surroundings so if the app hasn't mapped them out yet due to the map problem...there are no landmarks to visit.

Apparently the landmarks are basically the same as in Ingress but I can't find a map of landmarks in Busan.

I hope it ends up working eventually. I live near the beach so I'm tryna catch some water-type Pokemanz.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: shostager on July 08, 2016, 08:25:49 AM
I also wanna Pokemon it up. Is Ingress the mosaic thing? That's the first result I got. Only one in my area...but about 22 in Seoul. 0 still in Busan, sorry.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: devsterl on July 08, 2016, 08:30:26 AM
I want to catch MISSINGNO.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: jomi on July 08, 2016, 08:53:27 AM
My iTunes Store is the uk one so I can't even download it yet  :cry:

I checked the ingress map tho and there should be loads of shit in Seoul at least, I hope we don't have to wait for the game to release in Korea to be able to play it......
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: teacher1988 on July 08, 2016, 08:55:36 AM
I don't usually rant ever but wtf I just saw the most disgusting thing ever. The staff bathroom stall had shit on the walls today. wtf is that about. I'm not talking about a tiny speck that might've some how flown up or maybe from sb's fingers. I'm talking like a cookie sized shit ON THE WALL at about hip level. What the **** angle do you have to shit at to get it on the wall like that?
To add on there were tiny specks of shit all over the floors too. I don't feel like I want to wear these shoes ever again.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 08, 2016, 09:04:43 AM
I don't usually rant ever but wtf I just saw the most disgusting thing ever. The staff bathroom stall had shit on the walls today. wtf is that about. I'm not talking about a tiny speck that might've some how flown up or maybe from sb's fingers. I'm talking like a cookie sized shit ON THE WALL at about hip level. What the **** angle do you have to shit at to get it on the wall like that?
To add on there were tiny specks of shit all over the floors too. I don't feel like I want to wear these shoes ever again.

... do the other teachers know about your discovery?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 08, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
After the talk about pokemon go yesterday I downloaded it, but my map is blank and I haven't come across any pokemon  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I was reading that Pokemon Go doesn't work in Korea because of some problem with Google Maps in Korea. We'll just have to wait until we go home to catch em all.  :sad:

Is it out in Korea now? I heard it had only been released in New Zealand, Japan, and America. :o

I downloaded it because I have the american app store on my phone. But it's hugely based on actual physical location/surroundings so if the app hasn't mapped them out yet due to the map problem...there are no landmarks to visit.

Apparently the landmarks are basically the same as in Ingress but I can't find a map of landmarks in Busan.

I hope it ends up working eventually. I live near the beach so I'm tryna catch some water-type Pokemanz.

Stupid question.

I'm looking at three starter pokemon. How do I choose one? Preferably Squirtle?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 08, 2016, 09:24:22 AM
After the talk about pokemon go yesterday I downloaded it, but my map is blank and I haven't come across any pokemon  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I was reading that Pokemon Go doesn't work in Korea because of some problem with Google Maps in Korea. We'll just have to wait until we go home to catch em all.  :sad:

Is it out in Korea now? I heard it had only been released in New Zealand, Japan, and America. :o

I downloaded it because I have the american app store on my phone. But it's hugely based on actual physical location/surroundings so if the app hasn't mapped them out yet due to the map problem...there are no landmarks to visit.

Apparently the landmarks are basically the same as in Ingress but I can't find a map of landmarks in Busan.

I hope it ends up working eventually. I live near the beach so I'm tryna catch some water-type Pokemanz.

Stupid question.

I'm looking at three starter pokemon. How do I choose one? Preferably Squirtle?

I didn't get to choose one, I was just given a bulbasaur to catch
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: teacher1988 on July 08, 2016, 09:25:08 AM
... do the other teachers know about your discovery?

No. I'm too shocked and frankly embarrassed to tell anyone. Hence my rant  >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 08, 2016, 09:35:35 AM
Usually when I see police shootings in the news I'm able to feel sad and angry without externally showing any emotions but I was browsing facebook before class and something in me just broke and I started sobbing. The students who had arrived before the bell rang silently left the room and got my coteacher, who then told me she would take the class so I could calm down. What a great start to the day.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: grey on July 08, 2016, 09:44:22 AM
Guys, let's stop with this topic. It's a road leading from nothing to nowhere.

I did one of these, but it was a troll post.

I believe you to be quite serious.

#Palin2020
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 08, 2016, 09:46:06 AM
I can honestly say men have terrible bathroom hygiene and are hell of gross. I always see men coming out of bathroom stalls and then leaving without even washing their hands. And there's always brown water left in the bowl. Flushing a toilet isn't difficult.

I worked at 3 different movie theatres over 5 years. The women's bathrooms were always WAY more disgusting than the men's.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on July 08, 2016, 09:50:06 AM
I don't usually rant ever but wtf I just saw the most disgusting thing ever. The staff bathroom stall had shit on the walls today. wtf is that about. I'm not talking about a tiny speck that might've some how flown up or maybe from sb's fingers. I'm talking like a cookie sized shit ON THE WALL at about hip level. What the **** angle do you have to shit at to get it on the wall like that?
To add on there were tiny specks of shit all over the floors too. I don't feel like I want to wear these shoes ever again.

I worked at a supermarket in NZ from high school, until after I graduated university and came to Korea - about 6 years ago, in the womens bathroom, someone managed to get diarrhea on the walls and roof in one of the stalls. I only know this, because a girl on my shift took a photo after seeing it (she wanted to show management that someone done something that disgusting) and showed us. >.<
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 08, 2016, 09:55:32 AM
Annoyed. They're installing an alarm system in all the housing and I was told I'd have to open my door but they just used a master key. Imagine my unpleasant surprise as I'm waiting for the installation people to arrive and a complete stranger just opens the door of his own accord. Not even a knock.

Now he's leaving the door wide open as he works, allowing any manner of bug to enter.

And he's in my bedroom as well. I wasn't told anyone would be in my bedroom. I would have tidied up a bit or at least put away my significant electronics had I known  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 08, 2016, 11:20:12 AM
So annoyed that my post count got slashed. :cry: I'm genuinely upset.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 08, 2016, 11:27:55 AM
So annoyed that my post count got slashed. :cry: I'm genuinely upset.
I'm annoyed. It seems like the thread was deleted for no reason but why delete instead of just being like "Hey this is too long so we are gonna lock it. Start a new one."  Could it have been reported maybe? I dunno...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 08, 2016, 11:35:22 AM
I came back to the 교과실 after spending all morning in the English room to find that somebody left broken scissors and a used tissue on my desk. >:(

There have been other days when I come back to find my plants were rearranged...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: orionchocopie on July 08, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
I don't buy the "maybe the thread got too long and deleted itself".

It was deleted.  By a moderator (oh, I wonder who).  No-one will admit to it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: rhannahbrown on July 08, 2016, 11:45:12 AM
Guys, relax. I asked Arsalan to delete my account and my posts because I felt like I had shared too much personal information and wasn't comfortable with it being on the internet. I had no idea in deleting my account, the threads I started would also be completely deleted instead of just my own posts in them.

I started the RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 2.0 thread and it is gone because my account is gone. I'm sorry that all your posts were deleted, I didn't know that would happen. It's not some government conspiracy. The mods aren't out to get you. Your free speech is not being squashed. It's all good!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Whatgook on July 08, 2016, 11:53:44 AM
So annoyed that my post count got slashed. :cry: I'm genuinely upset.

Are you serious...?

jesus that's sad
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 08, 2016, 12:06:30 PM
So annoyed that my post count got slashed. :cry: I'm genuinely upset.

Are you serious...?

jesus that's sad

I used to be the Hero of Waygookstan..................

Now, I'm just an expert.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on July 08, 2016, 12:06:50 PM
Well fuck.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Whatgook on July 08, 2016, 12:08:13 PM
So annoyed that my post count got slashed. :cry: I'm genuinely upset.

Are you serious...?

jesus that's sad

I used to be the Hero of Waygookstan..................

Now, I'm just an expert.

ahhhhhhhhh. yeh i can see how that would sting. I'm sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Yaya on July 08, 2016, 12:24:31 PM
Guys, relax. I asked Arsalan to delete my account and my posts because I felt like I had shared too much personal information and wasn't comfortable with it being on the internet. I had no idea in deleting my account, the threads I started would also be completely deleted instead of just my own posts in them.

I started the RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 2.0 thread and it is gone because my account is gone. I'm sorry that all your posts were deleted, I didn't know that would happen. It's not some government conspiracy. The mods aren't out to get you. Your free speech is not being squashed. It's all good!

Thanks rhannahbrown! Glad to have an answer as to what happened to it  ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: orionchocopie on July 08, 2016, 12:30:45 PM
Yeah.  Thanks rhannahbrown.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 08, 2016, 12:33:25 PM
So annoyed that my post count got slashed. :cry: I'm genuinely upset.

Are you serious...?

jesus that's sad

Jokes don't translate well in written form, especially when they're bad to begin with. I'm not actually genuinely upset over my post count; I'm just a little upset, but not in any meaningful way. :undecided:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 08, 2016, 12:38:08 PM
My co-teacher is really cranky today. I understand it's because she's hot (temperature-wise...) so I don't really blame her, but it's putting me into a foul mood as well.

On the other hand, we are allowed to use the AC, so why isn't she using it?? I feel fine without it but if it's bad enough to make her so irritable, just turn the damn thing on. Good thing I have a light cardigan with me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 08, 2016, 01:07:55 PM
There is a standard romanization, but look at all the trouble people outside this culture still have pronouncing Korean words. Not everybody is aware of the standard romanization or Korean phonemes, so I would say that sometimes deviating from the standard is justified. Take the last name 최, for instance. Who in the West would ever see 'Choi' and automatically think, "Oh, 최"? They're going to say 'Choy' or 'Cho-ee'. In that case, why not experiment with 'Chay' or even 'Ché'? Still not perfect, but closer to it than you're going to get with the standard romanization in most cases. With 'ajumma' as well, someone might see it and not realize that the As require a long vowel sound. Look at the the Korean '안's in this country. How do they usually choose to transliterate it? 'An'? No way. You always see 'Ahn' because that signifies to the reader that you need to draw out the 'a' sound. That's a standard deviation (not a 'standard deviation') from the standard. Until the word 'ajumma' is ensconced in Webster's, I think it's fair to transliterate it in any way that most accurately conveys the true pronunciation. I, for one, would love to see the term 'ahjumma smash' added to the OED. ;D

'Waygook smash' as well^^

Romanisation standards don't apply to proper nouns (except, I believe, there is some regulation regarding company name registration after a certain date). With surnames, its almost standard to use McCune simply because its odd for a child to use a different system from their father or grandfather. It's literally grandfathered in. Like, 'literally' literally, not 'like, literally' literally.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Athena on July 08, 2016, 01:31:57 PM
For the Pokemon Go this article (http://www.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2016021817331309386) says they're not sure if it'll come out in Korea because releasing GPS info is illegal here..

So i get to watch all my friends play and show off on social media but I can't even play :(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 08, 2016, 01:36:15 PM
Romanisation standards don't apply to proper nouns (except, I believe, there is some regulation regarding company name registration after a certain date). With surnames, its almost standard to use McCune simply because its odd for a child to use a different system from their father or grandfather. It's literally grandfathered in. Like, 'literally' literally, not 'like, literally' literally.

Without all those little pesky diacritic marks, I imagine?

And what IS the word for when you want something to be understood as actually being true, without an ounce of exaggeration? There's gotta be a way to say it in one word. I'm literally drawing a blank here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 08, 2016, 01:39:31 PM
My co-teacher is really cranky today. I understand it's because she's hot (temperature-wise...) so I don't really blame her, but it's putting me into a foul mood as well.

On the other hand, we are allowed to use the AC, so why isn't she using it?? I feel fine without it but if it's bad enough to make her so irritable, just turn the damn thing on. Good thing I have a light cardigan with me.
My coteacher: It is hot in here, right!?
Me: Yes, it is hot.
Co: So hot.

(There is a fan right next to you. Why don't you turn it on if you are hot?)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 08, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
And what IS the word for when you want something to be understood as actually being true, without an ounce of exaggeration? There's gotta be a way to say it in one word. I'm literally drawing a blank here.

There no longer is one. Much like 'disinterested' the English language has lost a genuinely useful word. Thanks millennials.

Sorry that's a bit inapp... wait, nope, ranting thread. Good job.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on July 08, 2016, 02:57:27 PM
And what IS the word for when you want something to be understood as actually being true, without an ounce of exaggeration? There's gotta be a way to say it in one word. I'm literally drawing a blank here.

There no longer is one. Much like 'disinterested' the English language has lost a genuinely useful word. Thanks millennials.

Sorry that's a bit inapp... wait, nope, ranting thread. Good job.

Maybe we can steal a page from their own book and use the word "figuratively" to replace the word those whipper-snappers polluted with their "slang".  >:(

Or maybe just be a bit more passive-aggressive and say "not figuratively". That'll show 'em.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 08, 2016, 03:11:24 PM
And what IS the word for when you want something to be understood as actually being true, without an ounce of exaggeration? There's gotta be a way to say it in one word. I'm literally drawing a blank here.

There no longer is one. Much like 'disinterested' the English language has lost a genuinely useful word. Thanks millennials.

Sorry that's a bit inapp... wait, nope, ranting thread. Good job.

Maybe we can steal a page from their own book and use the word "figuratively" to replace the word those whipper-snappers polluted with their "slang".  >:(

Or maybe just be a bit more passive-aggressive and say "not figuratively". That'll show 'em.

As a millennial myself, I'm going to revel in another one of my generation's achievements and will take no part in your attempts to subvert our subversion.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 08, 2016, 03:25:42 PM
Guys, relax. I asked Arsalan to delete my account and my posts because I felt like I had shared too much personal information and wasn't comfortable with it being on the internet. I had no idea in deleting my account, the threads I started would also be completely deleted instead of just my own posts in them.

I started the RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 2.0 thread and it is gone because my account is gone. I'm sorry that all your posts were deleted, I didn't know that would happen. It's not some government conspiracy. The mods aren't out to get you. Your free speech is not being squashed. It's all good!

This reminds me of my friend who frequently deactivates her facebook account which removes every single picture she's tagged me in.  Inadvertently selfish.  I ain't mad I'm just sayin'.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 08, 2016, 03:27:54 PM
Pokemon Go, whyyy  :cry: :cry:

Hoping it will be at least functionally playable in time. After catching a starter I could do nothing more.

I can add another reason to look forward to visiting home. Actually being able to play Pokemon Go! My cousins and I are definitely getting together to do just that hahahah
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on July 08, 2016, 04:39:41 PM
After the talk about pokemon go yesterday I downloaded it, but my map is blank and I haven't come across any pokemon  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I was reading that Pokemon Go doesn't work in Korea because of some problem with Google Maps in Korea. We'll just have to wait until we go home to catch em all.  :sad:

Is it out in Korea now? I heard it had only been released in New Zealand, Japan, and America. :o

I downloaded it because I have the american app store on my phone. But it's hugely based on actual physical location/surroundings so if the app hasn't mapped them out yet due to the map problem...there are no landmarks to visit.

Apparently the landmarks are basically the same as in Ingress but I can't find a map of landmarks in Busan.

I hope it ends up working eventually. I live near the beach so I'm tryna catch some water-type Pokemanz.

Stupid question.

I'm looking at three starter pokemon. How do I choose one? Preferably Squirtle?

You have to physically walk on top of and then "tap" the one you want to initiate the battle sequence.  My GPS wasn't reading right at all last night so I couldn't get my character to walk or move, but now it seems to be working more?

At first I thought Squirtle was in my neighbor's apartment (TIME TO GO ON THE ROOF!) but in the end he turned out to be in my kitchen sink. :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 08, 2016, 06:20:53 PM
... do the other teachers know about your discovery?

No. I'm too shocked and frankly embarrassed to tell anyone. Hence my rant  >:(

In the future, you may as well report it. Someone left a pantsload of liquid Dokdo in one of our school's toilets once and I got blamed for it. No one would listen to me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 08, 2016, 06:37:37 PM
... do the other teachers know about your discovery?

No. I'm too shocked and frankly embarrassed to tell anyone. Hence my rant  >:(

In the future, you may as well report it. Someone left a pantsload of liquid Dokdo in one of our school's toilets once and I got blamed for it. No one would listen to me.
I would love to hear how that one got pinned on you. :cheesy: Do you have a history of such behavior? That kind of thing can really follow you around and can be hard to shake, especially if you've inadvertantly stepped in it. :laugh: I hope you have a good lawyer.

"It wasn't me! You gotta believe me!"
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 08, 2016, 08:07:59 PM
... do the other teachers know about your discovery?

No. I'm too shocked and frankly embarrassed to tell anyone. Hence my rant  >:(

In the future, you may as well report it. Someone left a pantsload of liquid Dokdo in one of our school's toilets once and I got blamed for it. No one would listen to me.
I would love to hear how that one got pinned on you. :cheesy: Do you have a history of such behavior? That kind of thing can really follow you around and can be hard to shake, especially if you've inadvertantly stepped in it. :laugh: I hope you have a good lawyer.

"It wasn't me! You gotta believe me!"

No! I swear! I just fart a lot, but I never follow through!*

If you see some of my older posts (unless they got deleted in the great 2.0 deletion massacre [I liked rhannahbrown's posts n.n]) you will see an incident where I accidentally made a first grade teacher lose face and as a result she tried to get revenge by having me banned from using school bathrooms. I don't know if this was EXACTLY what happened, but after the huge poop wad had sat mouldering and uncleaned for a day or so, coteachers started coming to me and delicately explaining how to use squat toilets. After that, I was only allowed to use the first floor toilets. I can only imagine that's why.

* jk gurlz dont fart lol
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on July 08, 2016, 08:40:44 PM
Maybe we can steal a page from their own book and use the word "figuratively" to replace the word those whipper-snappers polluted with their "slang".  >:(

Or maybe just be a bit more passive-aggressive and say "not figuratively". That'll show 'em.
As a millennial myself, I'm going to revel in another one of my generation's achievements and will take no part in your attempts to subvert our subversion.
When you say that you will "take no part", do you mean like 'literally' no part, or do you mean 'like, literally' no part?
I am confused. (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/75/c4/6a/75c46a776a0fd9a1e73dcb66e862b2a9.jpg)
I think I'll go take out my dentures and have a lie down.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on July 08, 2016, 08:44:20 PM
OH MY GOD I FUCKING HATE HANCOM AND ALL THESE SHITTY KOREAN KNOCKOFF PROGRAMS!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

My coworker is in charge of the English club, which means I'm in charge of the English club.  He wants to do a student newspaper despite the fact that this is way above the level of our students' writing abilities.  We're already behind on our deadlines because, as you know, everything takes priority over anything NET related in Korea. 

So I now have 7 massively broken English articles sitting in my inbox in ****** .hwp format and they're all read-only.  I have a workaround but it's just ignited this irrational raging hatred in me.  I HATE these stupid programs and how worthless they are, and I HATE how insistent Koreans are on using them despite them being some niche crap program that's USELESS outside of Korea. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: user17 on July 08, 2016, 10:07:20 PM
OH MY GOD I FUCKING HATE HANCOM AND ALL THESE SHITTY KOREAN KNOCKOFF PROGRAMS!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

My coworker is in charge of the English club, which means I'm in charge of the English club.  He wants to do a student newspaper despite the fact that this is way above the level of our students' writing abilities.  We're already behind on our deadlines because, as you know, everything takes priority over anything NET related in Korea. 

So I now have 7 massively broken English articles sitting in my inbox in ****** .hwp format and they're all read-only.  I have a workaround but it's just ignited this irrational raging hatred in me.  I HATE these stupid programs and how worthless they are, and I HATE how insistent Koreans are on using them despite them being some niche crap program that's USELESS outside of Korea. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

.hwp to ms word converter: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=36772

allows you to open and edit .hwp files with Word.

good luck with the newspaper club. did that at a high school i used to teach at and it was as you would expect. most of the articles were google/naver translated nonsense. had to practically re-write most of them from scratch.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Aristocrat on July 09, 2016, 08:52:09 AM
OH MY GOD I FUCKING HATE HANCOM AND ALL THESE SHITTY KOREAN KNOCKOFF PROGRAMS!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

My coworker is in charge of the English club, which means I'm in charge of the English club.  He wants to do a student newspaper despite the fact that this is way above the level of our students' writing abilities.  We're already behind on our deadlines because, as you know, everything takes priority over anything NET related in Korea. 

So I now have 7 massively broken English articles sitting in my inbox in ****** .hwp format and they're all read-only.  I have a workaround but it's just ignited this irrational raging hatred in me.  I HATE these stupid programs and how worthless they are, and I HATE how insistent Koreans are on using them despite them being some niche crap program that's USELESS outside of Korea. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

.hwp to ms word converter: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=36772

allows you to open and edit .hwp files with Word.

good luck with the newspaper club. did that at a high school i used to teach at and it was as you would expect. most of the articles were google/naver translated nonsense. had to practically re-write most of them from scratch.

Never, ever rewrite (or 'edit' as it's called over here) a student's article. Recently, the same happened to me and I just drew a big red line through the whole thing and wrote, I don't mark Naver/Google translate.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on July 09, 2016, 08:54:42 AM
OH MY GOD I FUCKING HATE HANCOM AND ALL THESE SHITTY KOREAN KNOCKOFF PROGRAMS!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

My coworker is in charge of the English club, which means I'm in charge of the English club.  He wants to do a student newspaper despite the fact that this is way above the level of our students' writing abilities.  We're already behind on our deadlines because, as you know, everything takes priority over anything NET related in Korea. 

So I now have 7 massively broken English articles sitting in my inbox in ****** .hwp format and they're all read-only.  I have a workaround but it's just ignited this irrational raging hatred in me.  I HATE these stupid programs and how worthless they are, and I HATE how insistent Koreans are on using them despite them being some niche crap program that's USELESS outside of Korea. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

.hwp to ms word converter: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=36772

allows you to open and edit .hwp files with Word.

good luck with the newspaper club. did that at a high school i used to teach at and it was as you would expect. most of the articles were google/naver translated nonsense. had to practically re-write most of them from scratch.

Thanks, yeah I've just copy and pasted into an MS document.  It's not a big deal, but the principle and concept of the programs just set me off last night  :laugh:  I hate them SO much.

My kids were actually REALLY good about doing their articles.  I don't think anything in plagerized and we've had a few light rough draft reviews, so thus far my editing has been lighter than I was expecting.  I'm still trying to keep the original integrity of their work, but sometimes it's hard... :-[
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 09, 2016, 11:25:44 AM
Maybe we can steal a page from their own book and use the word "figuratively" to replace the word those whipper-snappers polluted with their "slang".  >:(

Or maybe just be a bit more passive-aggressive and say "not figuratively". That'll show 'em.
As a millennial myself, I'm going to revel in another one of my generation's achievements and will take no part in your attempts to subvert our subversion.
When you say that you will "take no part", do you mean like 'literally' no part, or do you mean 'like, literally' no part?
I am confused. (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/75/c4/6a/75c46a776a0fd9a1e73dcb66e862b2a9.jpg)
I think I'll go take out my dentures and have a lie down.

I'd really prefer not to specify. I find it's best to be vague so I can nimbly back out of any statement/position should it be expedient in the future.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 09, 2016, 11:46:06 AM
... do the other teachers know about your discovery?

No. I'm too shocked and frankly embarrassed to tell anyone. Hence my rant  >:(

In the future, you may as well report it. Someone left a pantsload of liquid Dokdo in one of our school's toilets once and I got blamed for it. No one would listen to me.
I would love to hear how that one got pinned on you. :cheesy: Do you have a history of such behavior? That kind of thing can really follow you around and can be hard to shake, especially if you've inadvertantly stepped in it. :laugh: I hope you have a good lawyer.

"It wasn't me! You gotta believe me!"

No! I swear! I just fart a lot, but I never follow through!*

If you see some of my older posts (unless they got deleted in the great 2.0 deletion massacre [I liked rhannahbrown's posts n.n]) you will see an incident where I accidentally made a first grade teacher lose face and as a result she tried to get revenge by having me banned from using school bathrooms. I don't know if this was EXACTLY what happened, but after the huge poop wad had sat mouldering and uncleaned for a day or so, coteachers started coming to me and delicately explaining how to use squat toilets. After that, I was only allowed to use the first floor toilets. I can only imagine that's why.

* jk gurlz dont fart lol

It sounds like you have Shakespearean levels of pride, betrayal, and vengeance  (and lust? Or am I reading too far into this?) at your school. Or perhaps just "The Office" levels.

FYI, I know girls fart for a fact; my girlfriend does all the time. I thought you should know there's a tactful way to handle such matters:

I have a student who will excuse himself from class when he feels a fart coming on. He excuses himself often.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Savant on July 10, 2016, 09:30:52 PM
This KEB/Hana merger thing and Korean banking, in general, returning to piss me off.

My security certificate expires on 07/12 so I tried to renew it tonight. Can't do it because I registered with KEB first to get my security certificate and their own OTP can't be used because the error message tells me that they don't f***ing exist anymore.

So, I need to wait until the 13th to work out a new digital certificate as I can't change issuing banks until this one expires. Will see if Woori can issue a new one successfully.
Then, got to go through the whole process of registering it with KEBHana again (let's see if the KEB OTP works or not) and also with my smartphone apps.

What a stupid layer of security.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on July 10, 2016, 10:15:34 PM
This KEB/Hana merger thing and Korean banking, in general, returning to piss me off.

My security certificate expires on 07/12 so I tried to renew it tonight. Can't do it because I registered with KEB first to get my security certificate and their own OTP can't be used because the error message tells me that they don't f***ing exist anymore.

So, I need to wait until the 13th to work out a new digital certificate as I can't change issuing banks until this one expires. Will see if Woori can issue a new one successfully.
Then, got to go through the whole process of registering it with KEBHana again (let's see if the KEB OTP works or not) and also with my smartphone apps.

What a stupid layer of security.
for me, the banking app fucked itself on my phone and won't let me transfer, despite me trying multiple, multiple times.

i then tried on my computer and, again, it won't let me transfer. it gives me this error:

"Exceeded failure count in lock card password trying.
Actions : Please check at near bank branch"

due to the complete gibberish of the message (an annoyance in itself), i contacted the the keb facebook people who told me i have to go INTO THE STORE to fix it! something that isn't even my fault! i have never put in my password wrong! and it can't be fixed via phone

i'll spend the time signing up at shinhan instead
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 11, 2016, 08:11:32 AM
Can't breathe.....so.....humid....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 11, 2016, 08:53:31 AM
One of the TOEFL teachers used my entire stash of reward candy and didn't replace it. Who the **** does that? What the shit? That is so rude.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 11, 2016, 08:58:22 AM
My adult convo classes with the other teachers was cancelled indefinitely. The problem is that I had too many levels of ability in the same class. Half would be fine practicing "How are you" and "I'm fine" for 30 mins every week, and the other half wanted to discuss Roman Polanski films and international politics.

There goes 100 bucks a month.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 11, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
Is it weird that my school (re: co-teacher) expects me to recruit the students for my summer camp myself? I've only done one other camp here in almost three years and I definitely didn't have to plead with kids to come last time.

I'm getting a lof this  :huh: :huh: face from the students when I bring it up. Don't worry Minsu, I don't really care if you come or not...    :P
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Athena on July 11, 2016, 09:37:33 AM
Is it weird that my school (re: co-teacher) expects me to recruit the students for my summer camp myself? I've only done one other camp here in almost three years and I definitely didn't have to plead with kids to come last time.

I'm getting a lof this  :huh: :huh: face from the students when I bring it up. Don't worry Minsu, I don't really care if you come or not...    :P

You could try making a ppt about your camp and show it at the beginning/end of class
My camp coteacher made the ppt though and it was pretty nice, I'm glad she helped at least that way since I'm doing everything else lol
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Action Jackson on July 11, 2016, 09:41:48 AM
Is it weird that my school (re: co-teacher) expects me to recruit the students for my summer camp myself? I've only done one other camp here in almost three years and I definitely didn't have to plead with kids to come last time.

I'm getting a lof this  :huh: :huh: face from the students when I bring it up. Don't worry Minsu, I don't really care if you come or not...    :P

You could try making a ppt about your camp and show it at the beginning/end of class
My camp coteacher made the ppt though and it was pretty nice, I'm glad she helped at least that way since I'm doing everything else lol
I'd mention it at the end of class one day and hope no one really heard or understood me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mister Tim on July 11, 2016, 10:33:13 AM
Head Teacher: "The Office of Education Supervisor called. Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "...what?"
HT: "Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "The one that's at the Girl's Middle School?"
HT: "Yes."
Me: "I thought that was tomorrow."
HT: "It is."
Me: "He wants to know why I didn't go to the open class... tomorrow?"
HT: "Yes."


How do you say "Flux Capacitor" in Korean?

This particular teacher's English is more than good enough to understand "didn't," incidentally. She wasn't trying to say "Why don't you go." I still don't really know what the problem is, so I'll just go to the open class tomorrow like I was originally told to, and if there's a problem...  oh well.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 11, 2016, 10:37:12 AM
Is it weird that my school (re: co-teacher) expects me to recruit the students for my summer camp myself? I've only done one other camp here in almost three years and I definitely didn't have to plead with kids to come last time.

I'm getting a lof this  :huh: :huh: face from the students when I bring it up. Don't worry Minsu, I don't really care if you come or not...    :P

You could try making a ppt about your camp and show it at the beginning/end of class
My camp coteacher made the ppt though and it was pretty nice, I'm glad she helped at least that way since I'm doing everything else lol
I'd mention it at the end of class one day and hope no one really heard or understood me.
Both valid approaches!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 11, 2016, 10:41:57 AM
Head Teacher: "The Office of Education Supervisor called. Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "...what?"
HT: "Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "The one that's at the Girl's Middle School?"
HT: "Yes."
Me: "I thought that was tomorrow."
HT: "It is."
Me: "He wants to know why I didn't go to the open class... tomorrow?"
HT: "Yes."


How do you say "Flux Capacitor" in Korean?

This particular teacher's English is more than good enough to understand "didn't," incidentally. She wasn't trying to say "Why don't you go." I still don't really know what the problem is, so I'll just go to the open class tomorrow like I was originally told to, and if there's a problem...  oh well.

They knew you were thinking about ditching. They're warning you that punishment will occur for crimes that you were going to do. Like that Minority Report book/movie. The future is here. Pretty slick if you ask me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 11, 2016, 10:51:10 AM
So last week I posted in the happy thread about how I did the drawing for summer camp and my favorite student was drawn and I got to veto a kid who is badly behaved. Well turns out that the students get to draw whether they can come or not so what I did was pointless. The students just drew and my favorite student is no longer coming and most of the terribly behaved ones are. Why. Why.
I was looking forward to summer camp but now I'm dreading it. Why would you allow disruptive students to come and not the good students who want to be there. I'm so irritated.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 11, 2016, 11:10:57 AM
F%*k. I actually can't take this shit anymore. I get to school submit my lesson plans for the whole week as per normal. CT sits next to me all day seeing me prep, PPTS, activities for the week, while she marks her 10 grammar tests written a week ago (despite changing the due date for all my test results, 140 of them to last week Thursday), as I close our files for the week - everything prepped, she says, "no, lets watch movies)."
WTFH I could have spent the morning doing camp planning. I am livid. absolutely livid. 15 individual lesson plans and activities for absolutely no reason.

She also can't understand what the problem is now.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 11, 2016, 11:19:02 AM
I.am.tired.

Because of allergy meds.

What a shit way to start off the week. Especially since I have to make some major changes to my summer camp.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: user17 on July 11, 2016, 11:37:24 AM
Head Teacher: "The Office of Education Supervisor called. Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "...what?"
HT: "Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "The one that's at the Girl's Middle School?"
HT: "Yes."
Me: "I thought that was tomorrow."
HT: "It is."
Me: "He wants to know why I didn't go to the open class... tomorrow?"
HT: "Yes."


How do you say "Flux Capacitor" in Korean?

This particular teacher's English is more than good enough to understand "didn't," incidentally. She wasn't trying to say "Why don't you go." I still don't really know what the problem is, so I'll just go to the open class tomorrow like I was originally told to, and if there's a problem...  oh well.

They knew you were thinking about ditching. They're warning you that punishment will occur for crimes that you were going to do. Like that Minority Report book/movie. The future is here. Pretty slick if you ask me.

 :laugh:

Tell them you did go, but then you got in your time machine and came back from the future to today because you're such a diligent worker that you didn't want to miss class today.

Then tell them that you can't go tomorrow because since you've already been there will be 2 of you there which will cause a rift in the space-english continuum and your native speaking powers will disappear.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 11, 2016, 11:59:24 AM
Head Teacher: "The Office of Education Supervisor called. Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "...what?"
HT: "Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "The one that's at the Girl's Middle School?"
HT: "Yes."
Me: "I thought that was tomorrow."
HT: "It is."
Me: "He wants to know why I didn't go to the open class... tomorrow?"
HT: "Yes."


How do you say "Flux Capacitor" in Korean?

This particular teacher's English is more than good enough to understand "didn't," incidentally. She wasn't trying to say "Why don't you go." I still don't really know what the problem is, so I'll just go to the open class tomorrow like I was originally told to, and if there's a problem...  oh well.

They knew you were thinking about ditching. They're warning you that punishment will occur for crimes that you were going to do. Like that Minority Report book/movie. The future is here. Pretty slick if you ask me.

 :laugh:
Tell them you did go, but then you got in your time machine and came back from the future to today because you're such a diligent worker that you didn't want to miss class today.

Then tell them that you can't go tomorrow because since you've already been there will be 2 of you there which will cause a rift in the space-english continuum and your native speaking powers will disappear.

 :laugh: then you'll get 'you should not time travel without telling the school, for insurance purposes we should always know where you are. you should have informed the vice principal'
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: orionchocopie on July 11, 2016, 12:03:00 PM
Head Teacher: "The Office of Education Supervisor called. Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "...what?"
HT: "Why didn't you go to the open class?"
Me: "The one that's at the Girl's Middle School?"
HT: "Yes."
Me: "I thought that was tomorrow."
HT: "It is."
Me: "He wants to know why I didn't go to the open class... tomorrow?"
HT: "Yes."


How do you say "Flux Capacitor" in Korean?

This particular teacher's English is more than good enough to understand "didn't," incidentally. She wasn't trying to say "Why don't you go." I still don't really know what the problem is, so I'll just go to the open class tomorrow like I was originally told to, and if there's a problem...  oh well.

They knew you were thinking about ditching. They're warning you that punishment will occur for crimes that you were going to do. Like that Minority Report book/movie. The future is here. Pretty slick if you ask me.

 :laugh:
Tell them you did go, but then you got in your time machine and came back from the future to today because you're such a diligent worker that you didn't want to miss class today.

Then tell them that you can't go tomorrow because since you've already been there will be 2 of you there which will cause a rift in the space-english continuum and your native speaking powers will disappear.

 :laugh: then you'll get 'you should not time travel without telling the school, for insurance purposes we should always know where you are. you should have informed the vice principal'
"I did, and he will say it's ok."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on July 11, 2016, 02:08:29 PM
Is it weird that my school (re: co-teacher) expects me to recruit the students for my summer camp myself? I've only done one other camp here in almost three years and I definitely didn't have to plead with kids to come last time.

I'm getting a lof this  :huh: :huh: face from the students when I bring it up. Don't worry Minsu, I don't really care if you come or not...    :P

Just tell them that you have tried, but no students are interested? :o
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: toddingumi on July 11, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
After 3+ in a relationship, taking her home to meet my family in the US last January, i basically told her it's time to sh*t or get off the pot.

I have made it very clear that i love her but i have not been happy here for two years, only staying for her. Yet no progress has been made to get us moving back home together.

Ultimatums are never good but i told her that we either need to get married by next Spring or i am gone after this contract.

Well, 8 more months until legal weed, live rock n roll, and football. What a waste.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 11, 2016, 02:49:40 PM
Go to use photo-copier and it's not working. Flashing error message is all in Korean but includes the number 3. Open door number 3 on the photocopier and remove piece of paper that's clearly jammed in there. Close door. Photocopier immediately resumes functioning as normal. Continue with my day.

Fast forward a few hours and everyone in the office is yammering about the photocopier and a random guy is standing there looking very displeased and talking very angrily. They ask me if I've used the photocopier today and I told them yeah, there was some paper jammed in there so I took it out. It's fine now.

Oh. We called an engineer because it was broken. You wasted his time. You should not have touched the photocopier.

Oh. Ok. I'm very sorry. Next time there's a single sheet of A4 paper stuck in a readily accessible compartment, and the screen is flashing in your face directing you how to easily resolve this issue, I'll be sure to instead cancel my class because I can't provide the worksheets I need and call an engineer immediately.

My bad. My bad.

Fck me. I'm angry for you.

I, too, know the feeling of doing something fairly straightforward and it blows my co-workers minds. In my case it's usually positive, but it's something so easy and straightforward, and you get stared at like you cured cancer. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 11, 2016, 02:52:28 PM
Everything is pissing me off today, and it's not just because it's Monday. Note, I'm not PMSing for anyone who's curious.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 11, 2016, 02:54:45 PM
After 3+ in a relationship, taking her home to meet my family in the US last January, i basically told her it's time to sh*t or get off the pot.

I have made it very clear that i love her but i have not been happy here for two years, only staying for her. Yet no progress has been made to get us moving back home together.

Ultimatums are never good but i told her that we either need to get married by next Spring or i am gone after this contract.

Well, 8 more months until legal weed, live rock n roll, and football. What a waste.

If she marries you because you gave her an ultimatum, your marriage won't be a happy one. (Take that with a grain of salt, as I'm in a foul mood today. I don't mean any offense to you.)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 11, 2016, 02:57:42 PM
Everything is pissing me off today, and it's not just because it's Monday. Note, I'm not PMSing for anyone who's curious.

I was gonna say that that doesn't seem like something people here would be curious about but after reading that pregnancy scare thread I guess nothing is TMI for waygook.org.  :undecided:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 11, 2016, 03:01:28 PM

I'm leaving in five weeks. It honestly feels weirdly liberating and kinda nice to just say "OH GOSH REALLY? SORRY! MY BAD!" and then continue your day like nothing happened.

I'm not leaving anytime soon but I'm already kinda at that place. I won't go outta my way to be rude but I don't really worry about the inconsequential stuff anymore.

I wonder what I'll be saying when I'm 5 weeks out from leaving though  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 11, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
After 3+ in a relationship, taking her home to meet my family in the US last January, i basically told her it's time to sh*t or get off the pot.

I have made it very clear that i love her but i have not been happy here for two years, only staying for her. Yet no progress has been made to get us moving back home together.

Ultimatums are never good but i told her that we either need to get married by next Spring or i am gone after this contract.

Well, 8 more months until legal weed, live rock n roll, and football. What a waste.

If she marries you because you gave her an ultimatum, your marriage won't be a happy one. (Take that with a grain of salt, as I'm in a foul mood today. I don't mean any offense to you.)

I think he is implying that she left him...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 11, 2016, 03:24:09 PM

I'm leaving in five weeks. It honestly feels weirdly liberating and kinda nice to just say "OH GOSH REALLY? SORRY! MY BAD!" and then continue your day like nothing happened.

I'm not leaving anytime soon but I'm already kinda at that place. I won't go outta my way to be rude but I don't really worry about the inconsequential stuff anymore.

I wonder what I'll be saying when I'm 5 weeks out from leaving though  :laugh:

I am in the same place. I'm out in Feb and can't even pretend to care about anything that isn't immediate life threatening.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: toddingumi on July 11, 2016, 03:59:12 PM
After 3+ in a relationship, taking her home to meet my family in the US last January, i basically told her it's time to sh*t or get off the pot.

I have made it very clear that i love her but i have not been happy here for two years, only staying for her. Yet no progress has been made to get us moving back home together.

Ultimatums are never good but i told her that we either need to get married by next Spring or i am gone after this contract.

Well, 8 more months until legal weed, live rock n roll, and football. What a waste.

If she marries you because you gave her an ultimatum, your marriage won't be a happy one. (Take that with a grain of salt, as I'm in a foul mood today. I don't mean any offense to you.)

Getting married and moving back to your spouse's country, permanently, has got to be mad spooky. We come over here, and we know we can always just bounce if things get unpleasant. But like, literally leaving your country because you're getting married - that's going to be pretty serious biz. I've only been thinking about this lately, because eventually my girlfriend and I plan on moving back to Canada, too.

I wish you guys the best of luck.

None taken. Basically said it out of complete frustration and unhappiness with living here. Just couldn't keep waiting year after year. The fact that i am 41 adds to the situation. If i were a young whipper snapper like some of you guys i could handle being here a few more years.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 12, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
After 3+ in a relationship, taking her home to meet my family in the US last January, i basically told her it's time to sh*t or get off the pot.

I have made it very clear that i love her but i have not been happy here for two years, only staying for her. Yet no progress has been made to get us moving back home together.

Ultimatums are never good but i told her that we either need to get married by next Spring or i am gone after this contract.

Well, 8 more months until legal weed, live rock n roll, and football. What a waste.

If she marries you because you gave her an ultimatum, your marriage won't be a happy one. (Take that with a grain of salt, as I'm in a foul mood today. I don't mean any offense to you.)

I think he is implying that she left him...

Apparently I can't read between the lines when I'm angry. I think you are right.



None taken. Basically said it out of complete frustration and unhappiness with living here. Just couldn't keep waiting year after year. The fact that i am 41 adds to the situation. If i were a young whipper snapper like some of you guys i could handle being here a few more years.

I'm sorry about that... I was in a long-term relationship that ended recently as well so I understand. I hope things get better from here for you. :)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 12, 2016, 09:26:07 AM
Everything is pissing me off today, and it's not just because it's Monday. Note, I'm not PMSing for anyone who's curious.

People who assume that when a woman is having a bad day, it's due to PMS, are literally low-quality people.

Yeah. Not trying to imply that anyone here does it, although I'm sure there are some who do, but I sometimes feel compelled to add that as a little disclaimer to let people know that I am genuinely having a bad day, even in real life.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 12, 2016, 09:46:45 AM
Go to use photo-copier and it's not working. Flashing error message is all in Korean but includes the number 3. Open door number 3 on the photocopier and remove piece of paper that's clearly jammed in there. Close door. Photocopier immediately resumes functioning as normal. Continue with my day.

Fast forward a few hours and everyone in the office is yammering about the photocopier and a random guy is standing there looking very displeased and talking very angrily. They ask me if I've used the photocopier today and I told them yeah, there was some paper jammed in there so I took it out. It's fine now.

Oh. We called an engineer because it was broken. You wasted his time. You should not have touched the photocopier.

Oh. Ok. I'm very sorry. Next time there's a single sheet of A4 paper stuck in a readily accessible compartment, and the screen is flashing in your face directing you how to easily resolve this issue, I'll be sure to instead cancel my class because I can't provide the worksheets I need and call an engineer immediately.

My bad. My bad.

Fck me. I'm angry for you.

I, too, know the feeling of doing something fairly straightforward and it blows my co-workers minds. In my case it's usually positive, but it's something so easy and straightforward, and you get stared at like you cured cancer.

Yup. Like when the kids play around with the touch screen and they adjust the RBG so that the screen is green.  Teachers freak out. I say "hey I can fix it". They shake their heads "no you can't, must call someone". I lean forward adjust the RBG settings to default...... Apparently I should not have done that because now it means I have set EVERYTHING to default and things won't work correctly. I shrug and walk away. Important screen man  arrives to solve the waygook problem, teachers tell him what I did. He says it's okay, and leaves. *smirk
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 12, 2016, 10:27:12 AM
I've been playing the werewolf mafia game with my students since finals have finished, and while it's been chaotic, for the most part it's gone pretty well. Enter one of my low-level third-grade classes, taught by my corporal punishment coteacher. They don't pay attention when I'm explaining, because they're convinced that since they know it's a mafia game they know the rules. No, you don't, this is a variation. I tell them this several times. They proceed to mess up during gameplay (not knowing who was supposed to wake up when, even though this is fairly straightfoward....if they had listened to the instructions) and when I chastise them, one of them shoots back at me that I ought to speak Korean.

It hasn't happened that many times, but I am just so ****** sick of being told by my students in my English class to speak Korean. They know I don't speak Korean, let alone enough to lead class in Korean, and besides, this is English class. Then even though they tell me to speak Korean they act SHOCKED when I write Korean words on the board. And like... Jesus, this is your country, you are able to easily get around because you speak Korean, you think I don't wish I was fluent or at least conversational enough for decent Korean interaction? Obviously it would make my life easier! And I study every day! As you little shits should know, learning a language is hard. If I could speak Korean, I could really give you a piece of my mind.

In the end I told them: sorry, we're never playing this game again because you were so rude.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: reudibeat on July 12, 2016, 10:33:55 AM
When you ask your co to help demonstrate a game and, even though we've already had a successful run of it in another class, they **** it up so everyone gets confused.  >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 12, 2016, 10:38:34 AM
I've been playing the werewolf mafia game with my students since finals have finished, and while it's been chaotic, for the most part it's gone pretty well. Enter one of my low-level third-grade classes, taught by my corporal punishment coteacher. They don't pay attention when I'm explaining, because they're convinced that since they know it's a mafia game they know the rules. No, you don't, this is a variation. I tell them this several times. They proceed to mess up during gameplay (not knowing who was supposed to wake up when, even though this is fairly straightfoward....if they had listened to the instructions) and when I chastise them, one of them shoots back at me that I ought to speak Korean.

It hasn't happened that many times, but I am just so ****** sick of being told by my students in my English class to speak Korean. They know I don't speak Korean, let alone enough to lead class in Korean, and besides, this is English class. Then even though they tell me to speak Korean they act SHOCKED when I write Korean words on the board. And like... Jesus, this is your country, you are able to easily get around because you speak Korean, you think I don't wish I was fluent or at least conversational enough for decent Korean interaction? Obviously it would make my life easier! And I study every day! As you little shits should know, learning a language is hard. If I could speak Korean, I could really give you a piece of my mind.

In the end I told them: sorry, we're never playing this game again because you were so rude.

Oh god, I understand your pain. In my case, I'm fluent but I'm not allowed to let the students know. It takes everything within me to keep from exploding at the kids in Korean, and I've been told my speaking style in Korean is rather intimidating even when I don't mean to be. :angel: I don't really even drink but sometimes the kids make me want to.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on July 12, 2016, 10:41:13 AM
This is pretty picky but I find myself exhausted by the lack of scientific awareness here. It's as if people in this country never want to know the reasons behind what they believe or what they do. For example, I've been seeing a lot of dogs shaved down to the skin because it's summer. They think their dogs can't breathe/are overheating because they are panting or seem hot. A quick Google search will tell you that's dangerous and you could risk your dog getting sunburned! Actually the complete lack of awareness re: animals is baffling at times, even just the basics. I've mentioned wanting a pet and the responses I get are "so get one!" and I tell them I'm not home enough and my apartment is too small. I'd rather wait until I get home and have a yard/don't live in a shoe box so the animal can have a free and clean living space. The responses? "Ah but as long as you give the animal lots of love it's okay!" ... that's not how it works.

It's exhausting because people are constantly dishing out advice, telling me to eat this or do this for my health or some specific benefit. The truth is I ignore them until I get a chance to google it because WHO KNOWS what their thought process is. They don't give a f*ck about the science of ANYTHING. I'm tired of hearing "It's summer, but I'm sick... how!? It's hot!" How have people in this country not realized the weather isn't in total control of your health?? Wash your hands every now and then/stop sharing soup with people who are ill/allow people to take sick days and maybe you wouldn't be sick so damn often.

I'm tired of having conversations with people spouting bullshit because they never learned to check their sources. It's more than just science/health related too, it seems like they'll believe any rumor about something another culture does and leave it at face value. Like, a Korean friend will send me some obviously fake/staged video and be like "this is happening in ______!" or some cheesy Japanese paranormal show "they found a ghost!" and I say it seems fake and they're like "Ah.. yeah maybe." MAYBE? Gullible is an understatement. Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 12, 2016, 10:41:48 AM
I've been playing the werewolf mafia game with my students since finals have finished, and while it's been chaotic, for the most part it's gone pretty well. Enter one of my low-level third-grade classes, taught by my corporal punishment coteacher. They don't pay attention when I'm explaining, because they're convinced that since they know it's a mafia game they know the rules. No, you don't, this is a variation. I tell them this several times. They proceed to mess up during gameplay (not knowing who was supposed to wake up when, even though this is fairly straightfoward....if they had listened to the instructions) and when I chastise them, one of them shoots back at me that I ought to speak Korean.

It hasn't happened that many times, but I am just so ****** sick of being told by my students in my English class to speak Korean. They know I don't speak Korean, let alone enough to lead class in Korean, and besides, this is English class. Then even though they tell me to speak Korean they act SHOCKED when I write Korean words on the board. And like... Jesus, this is your country, you are able to easily get around because you speak Korean, you think I don't wish I was fluent or at least conversational enough for decent Korean interaction? Obviously it would make my life easier! And I study every day! As you little shits should know, learning a language is hard. If I could speak Korean, I could really give you a piece of my mind.

In the end I told them: sorry, we're never playing this game again because you were so rude.

Oh god, I understand your pain. In my case, I'm fluent but I'm not allowed to let the students know. It takes everything within me to keep from exploding at the kids in Korean, and I've been told my speaking style in Korean is rather intimidating even when I don't mean to be. :angel: I don't really even drink but sometimes the kids make me want to.
Yeah it's like... even if I could speak Korean, since I'm the "native" English teacher, I'm only supposed to speak English with you (unlike the Korean teachers who only seem to speak Korean with you  :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: )
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: KirbyFan112 on July 12, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
My visiting school lunch is absolute shite. But I don't have time to make lunches at home because of grad school :(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 12, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
I've been playing the werewolf mafia game with my students since finals have finished, and while it's been chaotic, for the most part it's gone pretty well. Enter one of my low-level third-grade classes, taught by my corporal punishment coteacher. They don't pay attention when I'm explaining, because they're convinced that since they know it's a mafia game they know the rules. No, you don't, this is a variation. I tell them this several times. They proceed to mess up during gameplay (not knowing who was supposed to wake up when, even though this is fairly straightfoward....if they had listened to the instructions) and when I chastise them, one of them shoots back at me that I ought to speak Korean.

It hasn't happened that many times, but I am just so ****** sick of being told by my students in my English class to speak Korean. They know I don't speak Korean, let alone enough to lead class in Korean, and besides, this is English class. Then even though they tell me to speak Korean they act SHOCKED when I write Korean words on the board. And like... Jesus, this is your country, you are able to easily get around because you speak Korean, you think I don't wish I was fluent or at least conversational enough for decent Korean interaction? Obviously it would make my life easier! And I study every day! As you little shits should know, learning a language is hard. If I could speak Korean, I could really give you a piece of my mind.

In the end I told them: sorry, we're never playing this game again because you were so rude.

Oh god, I understand your pain. In my case, I'm fluent but I'm not allowed to let the students know. It takes everything within me to keep from exploding at the kids in Korean, and I've been told my speaking style in Korean is rather intimidating even when I don't mean to be. :angel: I don't really even drink but sometimes the kids make me want to.
Yeah it's like... even if I could speak Korean, since I'm the "native" English teacher, I'm only supposed to speak English with you (unlike the Korean teachers who only seem to speak Korean with you  :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: )

Ugh, honestly, and the thing about KTs using so much Korean during class that just riles me up is that it encourages the kids to actively seek them out rather than trying to use English with the NET, even if it's just to ask a simple question. Why use English when the KT will respond in Korean, right?

Which brings me to the next point: if the KT will be using so much Korean, anyway, why can't I just use Korean (obviously only when it's needed) and just do the class on my own? It's kind of pointless to have the KT there when I can just do everything myself IF ONLY YOU WOULD LET ME USE KOREAN OMFG.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on July 12, 2016, 11:05:47 AM
I have been told to do activities with the students post-exams. Okay, that's easy enough. It just stings when I look across the hall and see Despicable Me: Part Whatever playing on the television.  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: orionchocopie on July 12, 2016, 11:57:31 AM
This is pretty picky but I find myself exhausted by the lack of scientific awareness here. It's as if people in this country never want to know the reasons behind what they believe or what they do. For example, I've been seeing a lot of dogs shaved down to the skin because it's summer. They think their dogs can't breathe/are overheating because they are panting or seem hot. A quick Google search will tell you that's dangerous and you could risk your dog getting sunburned! Actually the complete lack of awareness re: animals is baffling at times, even just the basics. I've mentioned wanting a pet and the responses I get are "so get one!" and I tell them I'm not home enough and my apartment is too small. I'd rather wait until I get home and have a yard/don't live in a shoe box so the animal can have a free and clean living space. The responses? "Ah but as long as you give the animal lots of love it's okay!" ... that's not how it works.

It's exhausting because people are constantly dishing out advice, telling me to eat this or do this for my health or some specific benefit. The truth is I ignore them until I get a chance to google it because WHO KNOWS what their thought process is. They don't give a f*ck about the science of ANYTHING. I'm tired of hearing "It's summer, but I'm sick... how!? It's hot!" How have people in this country not realized the weather isn't in total control of your health?? Wash your hands every now and then/stop sharing soup with people who are ill/allow people to take sick days and maybe you wouldn't be sick so damn often.

I'm tired of having conversations with people spouting bullshit because they never learned to check their sources. It's more than just science/health related too, it seems like they'll believe any rumor about something another culture does and leave it at face value. Like, a Korean friend will send me some obviously fake/staged video and be like "this is happening in ______!" or some cheesy Japanese paranormal show "they found a ghost!" and I say it seems fake and they're like "Ah.. yeah maybe." MAYBE? Gullible is an understatement. Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!
No.

There is nothing there.  And what there is is superficial at best.  Furthermore, Koreans don't seem to be interested in looking at anything beyond their border.  It's depressing really.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 12, 2016, 12:03:18 PM
Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!
No.

There is nothing there.  And what there is is superficial at best.  Furthermore, Koreans don't seem to be interested in looking at anything beyond their border.  It's depressing really.

My CoT navered "영어 스토리북" and there were two results. "Oh, that's disappointing."  :-[


 :afro: Hey, why don't you just google English storybooks?

 :smiley: Holy shit! CO2, you're a genius!

There's literally thousands of results.

If you're looking up the history of distilling soju in Jeollanam-do, by all means, use Naver.

If you're looking up shit in English that isn't Korea specific? Google it, christ.

 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: ashleynp2010 on July 12, 2016, 12:07:29 PM
Knowing I have three weeks of camp to look forward to after the semester ends has stolen my life force. I have no energy. No desire to live. Ugh.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mister Tim on July 12, 2016, 12:18:34 PM
Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!
No.

There is nothing there.  And what there is is superficial at best.  Furthermore, Koreans don't seem to be interested in looking at anything beyond their border.  It's depressing really.

My CoT navered "영어 스토리북" and there were two results. "Oh, that's disappointing."  :-[


 :afro: Hey, why don't you just google English storybooks?

 :smiley: Holy shit! CO2, you're a genius!

There's literally thousands of results.

If you're looking up the history of distilling soju in Jeollanam-do, by all means, use Naver.

If you're looking up shit in English that isn't Korea specific? Google it, christ.

 

The question is, how did she get to google? Did she type "google" in the address bar, or did she type "구글" in the Naver search bar?  :laugh:

I've seen teachers do the latter. I've also seen them Naver search "유튜브."


Unrelated rant:  One of my coteachers and I have to go to another local school this afternoon to watch the GET and his CoT do an open class, then we have to stick around for an hour of discussion afterwards. Neither I nor my CoT is looking forward to it(he keeps insisting that he hates it "even more than me"  :laugh:).

Worst thing about it is that the classes that we'd normally be teaching during those two hours aren't being cancelled, they're just being rescheduled. Not only do I have to go to this nonsense, I'm going to have extra classes tacked onto my busiest day of the week (Thursday).

Hooray.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 12, 2016, 12:23:05 PM
This is pretty picky but I find myself exhausted by the lack of scientific awareness here. It's as if people in this country never want to know the reasons behind what they believe or what they do.

It's exhausting because people are constantly dishing out advice, telling me to eat this or do this for my health or some specific benefit. The truth is I ignore them until I get a chance to google it because WHO KNOWS what their thought process is. They don't give a f*ck about the science of ANYTHING. I'm tired of hearing "It's summer, but I'm sick... how!? It's hot!" How have people in this country not realized the weather isn't in total control of your health?? Wash your hands every now and then/stop sharing soup with people who are ill/allow people to take sick days and maybe you wouldn't be sick so damn often.

I'm tired of having conversations with people spouting bullshit because they never learned to check their sources. It's more than just science/health related too, it seems like they'll believe any rumor about something another culture does and leave it at face value. Like, a Korean friend will send me some obviously fake/staged video and be like "this is happening in ______!" or some cheesy Japanese paranormal show "they found a ghost!" and I say it seems fake and they're like "Ah.. yeah maybe." MAYBE? Gullible is an understatement. Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!

Tell me again how I'm going to get cancer from eating something charred while you gulp down your 4th bottle of soju while your smoking cigarettes and eating copious amounts of deep fried meat and kimchi `__`

Reminds me of when I was having stomach problems and couldn't eat much. Every time I ate I would feel sick, so sometimes I wouldn't have lunch until quite late because I still hadn't recovered from eating breakfast. The head English teacher walked in on me eating my salad and asked why I was eating lunch so late, I explained it was because I've been feeling sick.

Her: "well of course you feel sick, you eat fast food all the time!" (while gesturing at my salad)
Me: "uhh... salad isn't fast food... and is good for you..."
Her: "I mean raw food"
Me: "raw veggies aren't bad for you either??"

She then lists off all the foods she thinks I ought to eat (barley tea, rice, etc etc), I say "yes, I tried eating that, it made me feel sick, just like literally everything else I've eaten since I came down with this problem" and she won't believe me >_>
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 12, 2016, 12:23:05 PM
This is pretty picky but I find myself exhausted by the lack of scientific awareness here. It's as if people in this country never want to know the reasons behind what they believe or what they do.

It's exhausting because people are constantly dishing out advice, telling me to eat this or do this for my health or some specific benefit. The truth is I ignore them until I get a chance to google it because WHO KNOWS what their thought process is. They don't give a f*ck about the science of ANYTHING. I'm tired of hearing "It's summer, but I'm sick... how!? It's hot!" How have people in this country not realized the weather isn't in total control of your health?? Wash your hands every now and then/stop sharing soup with people who are ill/allow people to take sick days and maybe you wouldn't be sick so damn often.

I'm tired of having conversations with people spouting bullshit because they never learned to check their sources. It's more than just science/health related too, it seems like they'll believe any rumor about something another culture does and leave it at face value. Like, a Korean friend will send me some obviously fake/staged video and be like "this is happening in ______!" or some cheesy Japanese paranormal show "they found a ghost!" and I say it seems fake and they're like "Ah.. yeah maybe." MAYBE? Gullible is an understatement. Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!

Tell me again how I'm going to get cancer from eating something charred while you gulp down your 4th bottle of soju while your smoking cigarettes and eating copious amounts of deep fried meat and kimchi `__`

But eating kimchi cured my vapours! Hallelujah! And ol' harabeoji over there drinks two bottles of soju and smokes a pack a day and he can still hike the mountain every Sunday!

Anecdotal evidence FTW  :P

To be fair most of the weird stuff I've heard just has to do with digestion and male virility. If me drinking a little 벌떡주 (https://www.google.co.kr/search?q=%EB%B2%8C%EB%96%A1%EC%A3%BC&biw=975&bih=569&tbm=isch&imgil=d5aJzklcI22VaM%253A%253BbBvNkF2rSb-0nM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fneep.tistory.com%25252F18&source=iu&pf=m&fir=d5aJzklcI22VaM%253A%252CbBvNkF2rSb-0nM%252C_&usg=__TdI3GDHhtB66Fa6N7XBuKqK-Fyo%3D&ved=0ahUKEwi9rLW3ie3NAhXCo5QKHbWUCTAQyjcIKQ&ei=D3CEV_3oMcLH0gS1qaaAAw#imgrc=d5aJzklcI22VaM%3A) keeps the misses happy, who am I to say otherwise haha
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 12, 2016, 12:25:53 PM
There's some competition they're calling "Golden Bell" that I'm supposed to be helping with. It's during 5th and 6th periods. Well, 5th period started 5 minutes ago. No one ever told me where it was or any other such thing. The most explanation I've gotten for my role in it is "read English sentences."

We'll see what happens I guess.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pennypie on July 12, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
This is pretty picky but I find myself exhausted by the lack of scientific awareness here. It's as if people in this country never want to know the reasons behind what they believe or what they do.

It's exhausting because people are constantly dishing out advice, telling me to eat this or do this for my health or some specific benefit. The truth is I ignore them until I get a chance to google it because WHO KNOWS what their thought process is. They don't give a f*ck about the science of ANYTHING. I'm tired of hearing "It's summer, but I'm sick... how!? It's hot!" How have people in this country not realized the weather isn't in total control of your health?? Wash your hands every now and then/stop sharing soup with people who are ill/allow people to take sick days and maybe you wouldn't be sick so damn often.

I'm tired of having conversations with people spouting bullshit because they never learned to check their sources. It's more than just science/health related too, it seems like they'll believe any rumor about something another culture does and leave it at face value. Like, a Korean friend will send me some obviously fake/staged video and be like "this is happening in ______!" or some cheesy Japanese paranormal show "they found a ghost!" and I say it seems fake and they're like "Ah.. yeah maybe." MAYBE? Gullible is an understatement. Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!

Tell me again how I'm going to get cancer from eating something charred while you gulp down your 4th bottle of soju while your smoking cigarettes and eating copious amounts of deep fried meat and kimchi `__`

But eating kimchi cured my vapours! Hallelujah! And ol' harabeoji over there drinks two bottles of soju and smokes a pack a day and he can still hike the mountain every Sunday!

Anecdotal evidence FTW  :P

To be fair most of the weird stuff I've heard just has to do with digestion and male virility. If me drinking a little 벌떡주 (https://www.google.co.kr/search?q=%EB%B2%8C%EB%96%A1%EC%A3%BC&biw=975&bih=569&tbm=isch&imgil=d5aJzklcI22VaM%253A%253BbBvNkF2rSb-0nM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fneep.tistory.com%25252F18&source=iu&pf=m&fir=d5aJzklcI22VaM%253A%252CbBvNkF2rSb-0nM%252C_&usg=__TdI3GDHhtB66Fa6N7XBuKqK-Fyo%3D&ved=0ahUKEwi9rLW3ie3NAhXCo5QKHbWUCTAQyjcIKQ&ei=D3CEV_3oMcLH0gS1qaaAAw#imgrc=d5aJzklcI22VaM%3A) keeps the misses happy, who am I to say otherwise haha


Sort of true though, I've seen some super old men in various states of trashed-ness practically running up the mountains! :huh: Id better get on the Soju and smokes even more!~
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 12, 2016, 12:31:42 PM
Elem. students took their final exams last week.
Guess what my coT is doing in our extra class with the 5th graders today? Finishing Lesson 7 on the CD. Lesson 7 was on the exam. Wtf? Like we have an extra class with this grade at least every other week, how are you not up to speed?? Or why didn't you just take a class period from me to make sure they were caught up before their exams?? I'm not allowed to teach from the book so it's not like it matters much exactly when my lessons are taught. Logic!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 12, 2016, 12:48:04 PM
This is pretty picky but I find myself exhausted by the lack of scientific awareness here. It's as if people in this country never want to know the reasons behind what they believe or what they do.

It's exhausting because people are constantly dishing out advice, telling me to eat this or do this for my health or some specific benefit. The truth is I ignore them until I get a chance to google it because WHO KNOWS what their thought process is. They don't give a f*ck about the science of ANYTHING. I'm tired of hearing "It's summer, but I'm sick... how!? It's hot!" How have people in this country not realized the weather isn't in total control of your health?? Wash your hands every now and then/stop sharing soup with people who are ill/allow people to take sick days and maybe you wouldn't be sick so damn often.

I'm tired of having conversations with people spouting bullshit because they never learned to check their sources. It's more than just science/health related too, it seems like they'll believe any rumor about something another culture does and leave it at face value. Like, a Korean friend will send me some obviously fake/staged video and be like "this is happening in ______!" or some cheesy Japanese paranormal show "they found a ghost!" and I say it seems fake and they're like "Ah.. yeah maybe." MAYBE? Gullible is an understatement. Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!

Tell me again how I'm going to get cancer from eating something charred while you gulp down your 4th bottle of soju while your smoking cigarettes and eating copious amounts of deep fried meat and kimchi `__`

But eating kimchi cured my vapours! Hallelujah! And ol' harabeoji over there drinks two bottles of soju and smokes a pack a day and he can still hike the mountain every Sunday!

Anecdotal evidence FTW  :P

To be fair most of the weird stuff I've heard just has to do with digestion and male virility. If me drinking a little 벌떡주 (https://www.google.co.kr/search?q=%EB%B2%8C%EB%96%A1%EC%A3%BC&biw=975&bih=569&tbm=isch&imgil=d5aJzklcI22VaM%253A%253BbBvNkF2rSb-0nM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fneep.tistory.com%25252F18&source=iu&pf=m&fir=d5aJzklcI22VaM%253A%252CbBvNkF2rSb-0nM%252C_&usg=__TdI3GDHhtB66Fa6N7XBuKqK-Fyo%3D&ved=0ahUKEwi9rLW3ie3NAhXCo5QKHbWUCTAQyjcIKQ&ei=D3CEV_3oMcLH0gS1qaaAAw#imgrc=d5aJzklcI22VaM%3A) keeps the misses happy, who am I to say otherwise haha


Sort of true though, I've seen some super old men in various states of trashed-ness practically running up the mountains! :huh: Id better get on the Soju and smokes even more!~

Yea this is true. I think its intersting every time I mention a food that i enjoy eating/drinking my CoT will always throw in an added health benefit. I think it's also hilarious that she never fails to mention to me that a certain foods and drinks are "good for men". Thanks for the tidbits, my future boners thank you too.

^ ^
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on July 12, 2016, 12:48:04 PM
This is pretty picky but I find myself exhausted by the lack of scientific awareness here. It's as if people in this country never want to know the reasons behind what they believe or what they do. For example, I've been seeing a lot of dogs shaved down to the skin because it's summer. They think their dogs can't breathe/are overheating because they are panting or seem hot. A quick Google search will tell you that's dangerous and you could risk your dog getting sunburned! Actually the complete lack of awareness re: animals is baffling at times, even just the basics. I've mentioned wanting a pet and the responses I get are "so get one!" and I tell them I'm not home enough and my apartment is too small. I'd rather wait until I get home and have a yard/don't live in a shoe box so the animal can have a free and clean living space. The responses? "Ah but as long as you give the animal lots of love it's okay!" ... that's not how it works.

It's exhausting because people are constantly dishing out advice, telling me to eat this or do this for my health or some specific benefit. The truth is I ignore them until I get a chance to google it because WHO KNOWS what their thought process is. They don't give a f*ck about the science of ANYTHING. I'm tired of hearing "It's summer, but I'm sick... how!? It's hot!" How have people in this country not realized the weather isn't in total control of your health?? Wash your hands every now and then/stop sharing soup with people who are ill/allow people to take sick days and maybe you wouldn't be sick so damn often.

I'm tired of having conversations with people spouting bullshit because they never learned to check their sources. It's more than just science/health related too, it seems like they'll believe any rumor about something another culture does and leave it at face value. Like, a Korean friend will send me some obviously fake/staged video and be like "this is happening in ______!" or some cheesy Japanese paranormal show "they found a ghost!" and I say it seems fake and they're like "Ah.. yeah maybe." MAYBE? Gullible is an understatement. Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!
No.

There is nothing there.  And what there is is superficial at best.  Furthermore, Koreans don't seem to be interested in looking at anything beyond their border.  It's depressing really.

I think I just don't know how to use the website because when I do a search on Naver all I get back are a bunch of blogs...

I'd assume universities would have websites & their various research findings would be posted right? News articles aren't available? Is there a Korean version of Snopes??

I'm just not sure how people stay in the dark about so many things, especially things that are supposedly important to them like their health, their pets they carry around like children, their actual children (do they really think a doctor is going to "stretch" their child into being taller..?)

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Athena on July 12, 2016, 12:56:54 PM
This is pretty picky but I find myself exhausted by the lack of scientific awareness here. It's as if people in this country never want to know the reasons behind what they believe or what they do. For example, I've been seeing a lot of dogs shaved down to the skin because it's summer. They think their dogs can't breathe/are overheating because they are panting or seem hot. A quick Google search will tell you that's dangerous and you could risk your dog getting sunburned! Actually the complete lack of awareness re: animals is baffling at times, even just the basics. I've mentioned wanting a pet and the responses I get are "so get one!" and I tell them I'm not home enough and my apartment is too small. I'd rather wait until I get home and have a yard/don't live in a shoe box so the animal can have a free and clean living space. The responses? "Ah but as long as you give the animal lots of love it's okay!" ... that's not how it works.

It's exhausting because people are constantly dishing out advice, telling me to eat this or do this for my health or some specific benefit. The truth is I ignore them until I get a chance to google it because WHO KNOWS what their thought process is. They don't give a f*ck about the science of ANYTHING. I'm tired of hearing "It's summer, but I'm sick... how!? It's hot!" How have people in this country not realized the weather isn't in total control of your health?? Wash your hands every now and then/stop sharing soup with people who are ill/allow people to take sick days and maybe you wouldn't be sick so damn often.

I'm tired of having conversations with people spouting bullshit because they never learned to check their sources. It's more than just science/health related too, it seems like they'll believe any rumor about something another culture does and leave it at face value. Like, a Korean friend will send me some obviously fake/staged video and be like "this is happening in ______!" or some cheesy Japanese paranormal show "they found a ghost!" and I say it seems fake and they're like "Ah.. yeah maybe." MAYBE? Gullible is an understatement. Don't they have information on Naver? I keep hearing about how much better Naver is than Google so... use it!
No.

There is nothing there.  And what there is is superficial at best.  Furthermore, Koreans don't seem to be interested in looking at anything beyond their border.  It's depressing really.

I think I just don't know how to use the website because when I do a search on Naver all I get back are a bunch of blogs...

I'd assume universities would have websites & their various research findings would be posted right? News articles aren't available? Is there a Korean version of Snopes??

I'm just not sure how people stay in the dark about so many things, especially things that are supposedly important to them like their health, their pets they carry around like children, their actual children (do they really think a doctor is going to "stretch" their child into being taller..?)

According to my Korean bf who's in grad school, Koreans do use google for university work. Other than that, it's Navershit for life. Naver is by far the worst search engine, Korea is just too stubborn to use Google like every other country.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 12, 2016, 01:44:33 PM
There's some competition they're calling "Golden Bell" that I'm supposed to be helping with. It's during 5th and 6th periods. Well, 5th period started 5 minutes ago. No one ever told me where it was or any other such thing. The most explanation I've gotten for my role in it is "read English sentences."

We'll see what happens I guess.

A student rushed down to get me and another teacher who wasn't told what was going on, and we went upstairs. Got to hang out in an incredibly smelly auditorium for over an hour and... read English sentences. Now I have a headache from the smell it was that bad. I still have to do another game class with students in my corporal punishment coteacher's class. I just want this day to be over.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mezoti97 on July 12, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
The question is, how did she get to google? Did she type "google" in the address bar, or did she type "구글" in the Naver search bar?  :laugh:

I've seen teachers do the latter. I've also seen them Naver search "유튜브."

Oh yeah, I've had several co-teachers in the past who would type "유튜브" into the Naver search bar, in order to be able to access YouTube.com. I admit I was surprised the very first time I witnessed it, but after that it wasn't so surprising anymore.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: strugglebunny on July 12, 2016, 02:15:35 PM
I just got word that my travel school wants me to come to some two day excursion with them and the kids during summer break. I guess I should feel honored, but I'm just annoyed.

The school is super rural, so I have to get up at 5:30 am to catch the one and only rickety slum bus driven by an old man with one foot in the grave that traverses over foggy-ass Death Mountain on a narrow-ass, winding road (that happens to be under construction, too!) just so I can spend the day with my coworkers, with whom I never fail to have an awkward conversation with, and a bunch of kids whose English vocabulary would be cut in half if you removed "Hello" from their word hoard, doing nature stuff.

One of the days isn't so bad. We will be "make something by flower" from 9am-1pm. However, the next day is a cannoning trip. I can't swim. And it's from 9-6pm, meaning I miss my bus back home. That in turn means I'll probably get to enjoy an awkward car ride home with the principal or vp. Yay......

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Aristocrat on July 12, 2016, 02:42:47 PM
I just got word that my travel school wants me to come to some two day excursion with them and the kids during summer break. I guess I should feel honored, but I'm just annoyed.

The school is super rural, so I have to get up at 5:30 am to catch the one and only rickety slum bus driven by an old man with one foot in the grave that traverses over foggy-ass Death Mountain on a narrow-ass, winding road (that happens to be under construction, too!) just so I can spend the day with my coworkers, with whom I never fail to have an awkward conversation with, and a bunch of kids whose English vocabulary would be cut in half if you removed "Hello" from their word hoard, doing nature stuff.

One of the days isn't so bad. We will be "make something by flower" from 9am-1pm. However, the next day is a cannoning trip. I can't swim. And it's from 9-6pm, meaning I miss my bus back home. That in turn means I'll probably get to enjoy an awkward car ride home with the principal or vp. Yay......

Either refuse or request overtime. If you're not comfortable telling them no, you could cook up any number of stories, your parents are visiting you in Korea etc. Personally, I'd refuse. My holiday is sacred and this would be the last thing I'd be doing. You're not Korean so you get some slack for abstaining.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: devsterl on July 12, 2016, 02:49:35 PM
I want to drop kick my piece of @#^@ computer into orbit. Fastest internet in the world, yet these pcs are the slowest things on Earth. Can't even save a file without the thing seizing up.   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: strugglebunny on July 12, 2016, 02:51:47 PM
Either refuse or request overtime. If you're not comfortable telling them no, you could cook up any number of stories, your parents are visiting you in Korea etc. Personally, I'd refuse. My holiday is sacred and this would be the last thing I'd be doing. You're not Korean so you get some slack for abstaining.

Well, it's not during my holiday. That wouldn't fly with me at all. It's just during days I would be desk warming at my not-as-rediculously-in-the-middle-of-nowhere school...but I'd rather be desk warming. Haha
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on July 12, 2016, 02:53:33 PM
I want to drop kick my piece of @#^@ computer into orbit. Fastest internet in the world, yet these pcs are the slowest things on Earth. Can't even save a file without the thing seizing up.   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Solidarity, man :blank:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 12, 2016, 02:54:45 PM
Saw a student I didn't recognize in the halls today. My coT asks if I thought he was a 3rd grader, because he's "tall" (for an elementary school child) and tells me he's in the 2nd grade.

Right after that we go to the grade 3 homeroom. That same kid wanders in so I say hello but he runs away. The bell rings and the kid is still in the classroom. I'm wondering if we got a new student when my coT starts calling him by the name of a different student who's absent.

I had to point out to my coT that this was a new student, not the absent student.

Wow. Like we only have 12 students in that class and she sees them twice as much as I do. All of our class sizes are small so it's (one would think) really obvious when there's a new student or when someone is missing.  :undecided:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on July 12, 2016, 02:57:41 PM
I just got word that my travel school wants me to come to some two day excursion with them and the kids during summer break. I guess I should feel honored, but I'm just annoyed.

The school is super rural, so I have to get up at 5:30 am to catch the one and only rickety slum bus driven by an old man with one foot in the grave that traverses over foggy-ass Death Mountain on a narrow-ass, winding road (that happens to be under construction, too!) just so I can spend the day with my coworkers, with whom I never fail to have an awkward conversation with, and a bunch of kids whose English vocabulary would be cut in half if you removed "Hello" from their word hoard, doing nature stuff.

One of the days isn't so bad. We will be "make something by flower" from 9am-1pm. However, the next day is a cannoning trip. I can't swim. And it's from 9-6pm, meaning I miss my bus back home. That in turn means I'll probably get to enjoy an awkward car ride home with the principal or vp. Yay......

Make sure they know ahead of time that you'll have no way home. Otherwise you might find that they never thought about your situation and you are stuck.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: strugglebunny on July 12, 2016, 02:58:39 PM
Oh, good. It's raining sheets and foggy as shit, and I get the privilege of taking the old garbage bus through the narrow mountain roads home...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: devsterl on July 12, 2016, 03:01:06 PM
I want to drop kick my piece of @#^@ computer into orbit. Fastest internet in the world, yet these pcs are the slowest things on Earth. Can't even save a file without the thing seizing up.   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Solidarity, man :blank:

I think they are powered by potatoes. Spent an hour on a ppt, wouldn't save and now the file is corrupted... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: antoniusk on July 12, 2016, 03:01:13 PM
Wish I knew my camp schedule. So you know, I can work on what I need to and do what is required of me. Camp is in two weeks. Not a word yet. Not even a budget amount yet. And I'm supposed to do this for 8 days?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: strugglebunny on July 12, 2016, 03:02:19 PM
Make sure they know ahead of time that you'll have no way home. Otherwise you might find that they never thought about your situation and you are stuck.

I pointed it out. I'm waiting to see who will be my ride. Hopefully no one will feel like taking me home, and I'll have a good excuse to not tag along. (No one I work with lives where I do, so it's kind of out of the way for everyone, I think.)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 12, 2016, 03:12:29 PM
shiiiiiit just opened one of my drawers on my desk to find an incredibly old and moldy loaf of bread in a plastic bag that I forgot about. I wanted to peace out of here as quickly as I could, but now I have to stay ten minutes late so that I can dispose of my nasty piece of bread and no one sees my shame.  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 12, 2016, 03:41:09 PM
Of course, this disaster of a day would not be complete without a very explicit porno popup coming up on my computer while some students are standing behind me. They're two of my best and assured me they didn't see it as I hurriedly told them to look away, but I'm horrified and I still don't know where it even came from since basically the only website I go on here is waygook.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: YoungMin on July 12, 2016, 03:45:54 PM
Of course, this disaster of a day would not be complete without a very explicit porno popup coming up on my computer while some students are standing behind me. They're two of my best and assured me they didn't see it as I hurriedly told them to look away, but I'm horrified and I still don't know where it even came from since basically the only website I go on here is waygook.

Sure you didn't type waygook.orgy

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 12, 2016, 03:55:51 PM
Of course, this disaster of a day would not be complete without a very explicit porno popup coming up on my computer while some students are standing behind me. They're two of my best and assured me they didn't see it as I hurriedly told them to look away, but I'm horrified and I still don't know where it even came from since basically the only website I go on here is waygook.

Sure you didn't type waygook.orgy
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 13, 2016, 07:45:10 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 13, 2016, 07:48:39 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

My wife (used to) do this with the power chord for my TV and Xbox combo. It's to save power. I understand your frustration.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 13, 2016, 07:55:24 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

My wife (used to) do this with the power chord for my TV and Xbox combo. It's to save power. I understand your frustration.

Wtf.  My electric bill at home is either 0 or 2,000 won per month.  Now that I'm running the AC all day it's about 6,000 per month.  How on earth are they saving anything?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 13, 2016, 07:57:55 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

It's the daisy-chaining that really drives me crazy. I don't understand why they don't install more outlets in their buildings to prevent the need, especially since it's such a fire hazard to daisy-chain and can/will eventually burn out electronics.

This goes triple for buildings that're going to be used for administrative/office purposes -- you know they're going to have computers, printers, copiers, etc... so why do you only install, like, three outlets?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: orionchocopie on July 13, 2016, 08:00:13 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

My wife (used to) do this with the power chord for my TV and Xbox combo. It's to save power. I understand your frustration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_chord
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: gaelynwrites on July 13, 2016, 08:06:42 AM
For some unknown reason my third graders have decided collectively to be little annoying twerps this morning.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Lowfoam on July 13, 2016, 08:11:05 AM
You know that commercial back in the states were squirrels were wreaking havoc on people's gardens and they were running their hands over their faces and leaving all of those streaks? That's me. Simultaneously, Stitch getting aggravated and pulling at his eyelids. Also me.

So we have a camp. No problem. I got to do what I wanted during my last camp, which was perfect. It was my first camp, so I was a little shaky, but now I know what the **** to do and I'm so ready. Of course I got a new coteacher. I love her, she's super easy to get along with, I'm super easy to get along with, no problems.

But then she tells me she said the education officer said to read them books. I was like oh, okay, sure, I guess I can read a book or two-

No. She clarified. Every day of my summer camp, for one period, we will read a book and do a workbook. At that point I just did a. . . WHAT in my head because who the **** actually wants to learn during a camp? It's more about fun and games with a side dish of some english. So I was incorporating that into my lessons. I mean, I still teach the kids some English. But it's summer. They don't want to sit and do more regular lessons.

So she had this book from the education officer that was filled with books ranging from grade 1 - 6. She picked some to fit my themes, and that works, but I haven't read most of the books so I can't really go about making any decent lesson plans for them. But it's no problem, she said, the book had the worksheets and games so I wouldn't have to worry about it.

My camps are like so: 1 week, Mon - Friday. 3 class periods, each 40 minutes long. So totally doable. Except they like me to do themed "days" as opposed to like, a themed week. So there's a lot more work and prep time involved. So here I am, busily adapting my plans to what she wanted.

All of my other friends were equally baffled, asking why my coteacher was starting to meddle in with my camp plans. I just shrugged and said whatever. We'll do it.

BUT THEN.

FIRST AND SECOND GRADE SIGNED UP.

**** ME.

I don't get different grades. I get them all together. All in one class. The material I have is graded for 3-6 grade. 1-2 grade can barely rub together three english words. So here I am headdesking, going oh my ****** god this is going to be awful.

Apparently my coteacher tried to tell the parents that the 1-2nd grade wouldn't get much out of it, but the parents were like lulz whatever and signed up anyway.

The kicker is she said she doesn't know how long they'll STAY every day. So they could only be there one or two periods.

And now I have to help her make the workbooks, and we're back to splitting the class up by grade level and teaching them at the same time. This is just. . . ugh.

I'm still pretty salty about it because if she hadn't wanted to read a book to them every day, for one period, this would not be an issue. And she spent the entire camp budget buying books for the students. Books mind you, they will only use/read once and then totally ignore. I'm just like. . . this is either going to require an ungodly amount of stress, blood, sweat, and some crying to pull this off, or it's going to crash and burn spectacularly.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 13, 2016, 08:15:32 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

My wife (used to) do this with the power chord for my TV and Xbox combo. It's to save power. I understand your frustration.

Wtf.  My electric bill at home is either 0 or 2,000 won per month.  Now that I'm running the AC all day it's about 6,000 per month.  How on earth are they saving anything?

Yeah, that's why my wife stopped :) I think I also threatened to move into a Peulseubang as well.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 13, 2016, 08:17:52 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

My wife (used to) do this with the power chord for my TV and Xbox combo. It's to save power. I understand your frustration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_chord

It's before 10 and I've only had 1 cup of coffee. Proper English programming doesn't begin until at least 11.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 13, 2016, 08:24:23 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

My wife (used to) do this with the power chord for my TV and Xbox combo. It's to save power. I understand your frustration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_chord
Real glad you were here to contribute to the conversation.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 13, 2016, 08:54:44 AM
I feel like trash today. I may have drank too much soju and makkeogli last night. I am that cliche' hungover at work NET that everyone loves to criticize. If i can make it to lunch, I may actually survive the day.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 13, 2016, 09:06:43 AM
My CT is sitting next to me chewing and slurping ice cubes. I keep putting my ear buds in, and turning on music full ball. EVERY time I manage to get the them in, she taps me to ask me something then proceeds to chew and slurp as I answer her.

I don't know if this is just really annoying and would irritate anybody or if I have just reached the point of no return with this woman, and soon her breathing will annoy me.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: orionchocopie on July 13, 2016, 09:20:01 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

My wife (used to) do this with the power chord for my TV and Xbox combo. It's to save power. I understand your frustration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_chord
Real glad you were here to contribute to the conversation.
I aim to please.  Thank you, too, for your contribution.

Besides, there's nothing like injecting a little humour into a thread that is generally baseless whining.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 13, 2016, 10:01:16 AM
I have to redo a ton of materials for my camp.

(http://i.imgur.com/UEOsSZ0.gif)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 13, 2016, 10:08:40 AM
I have 12 days of camp - 4 hours each day.  48 hours of camp.  Is this even normal?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 13, 2016, 10:09:20 AM
My CT is sitting next to me chewing and slurping ice cubes. I keep putting my ear buds in, and turning on music full ball. EVERY time I manage to get the them in, she taps me to ask me something then proceeds to chew and slurp as I answer her.

I don't know if this is just really annoying and would irritate anybody or if I have just reached the point of no return with this woman, and soon her breathing will annoy me.  :rolleyes:

I would probably stare at her mouth the whole time and hope she notices me passive aggressively telling her to stop it. That's so rude (your CT). Another thing I really hate is when people (I've only experienced this a few times in Korea but it happens frequently back home) snap their gum. I don't know if that's the right term for it but it sounds like constant clicking or like tiny bugs tapping against a light bulb in an abandoned warehouse. This ajumma was doing that in a crowded subway and I stared at her until she stopped and moved away. SO FUCKING ANNOYING.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 13, 2016, 10:10:10 AM
I have 12 days of camp - 4 hours each day.  48 hours of camp.  Is this even normal?

I have 10 days with 4 hours each day. :cry: Not as bad as your situation, but it's almost there.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 13, 2016, 10:14:36 AM
I have 12 days of camp - 4 hours each day.  48 hours of camp.  Is this even normal?

I have 10 days with 4 hours each day. :cry: Not as bad as your situation, but it's almost there.

My school originally wanted me to do 9 days with 5 hours each day, but then they realized I'd be going over my 22/wk and would have to pay overtime, so they knocked it down to 4 hours each day.

Thank gawd?

EDIT: Also forgot to mention that they wanted me to teach an additional 3 days of camp for the teachers (at around 3-4 hours each day), so that would have put me at 12 days total. This got canceled because the school forgot that I had some extra vacation days owed me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 13, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Seriously.  Sometimes when i get to work my computer won't turn on because one of the power strips is turned off for some reason or one of the cords is unplugged.  Today my computer started up but my monitor wouldn't turn on.  I checked all the cords which were all fine, though I burned myself on the electric kettle in the process.  So I had to tell my ct and she suggested I pull out the computer tower and unplug and replug everything back in.  We both tried and the keyboard plug would absolutely not go back in.  So she gets some other office lady involved who puts my keyboard in the recycle bin and gives me a brand new one.  I'm pretty sure mine was fine but okay... Then she dicked around some more and got the monitor working.  It's just annoying to come in and not have my computer turn on immediately.  I don't know why they have to mess with all the cords around my desk.  What if I would've come in early to work on stuff as I frequently do?

My wife (used to) do this with the power chord for my TV and Xbox combo. It's to save power. I understand your frustration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_chord
Real glad you were here to contribute to the conversation.
I aim to please.  Thank you, too, for your contribution.

Besides, there's nothing like injecting a little humour into a thread that is generally baseless whining.

Tbf, I found it amusing. I also was made aware of a mistake I've probably been making since forever. Two birds, one stone.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 13, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
My CT is sitting next to me chewing and slurping ice cubes. I keep putting my ear buds in, and turning on music full ball. EVERY time I manage to get the them in, she taps me to ask me something then proceeds to chew and slurp as I answer her.

I don't know if this is just really annoying and would irritate anybody or if I have just reached the point of no return with this woman, and soon her breathing will annoy me.  :rolleyes:

I would probably stare at her mouth the whole time and hope she notices me passive aggressively telling her to stop it. That's so rude (your CT). Another thing I really hate is when people (I've only experienced this a few times in Korea but it happens frequently back home) snap their gum. I don't know if that's the right term for it but it sounds like constant clicking or like tiny bugs tapping against a light bulb in an abandoned warehouse. This ajumma was doing that in a crowded subway and I stared at her until she stopped and moved away. SO FUCKING ANNOYING.

Oh God yes! that gum smacking is horrible!! HORRIBLE.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 13, 2016, 10:23:30 AM
My CT is sitting next to me chewing and slurping ice cubes. I keep putting my ear buds in, and turning on music full ball. EVERY time I manage to get the them in, she taps me to ask me something then proceeds to chew and slurp as I answer her.

I don't know if this is just really annoying and would irritate anybody or if I have just reached the point of no return with this woman, and soon her breathing will annoy me.  :rolleyes:

I would probably stare at her mouth the whole time and hope she notices me passive aggressively telling her to stop it. That's so rude (your CT). Another thing I really hate is when people (I've only experienced this a few times in Korea but it happens frequently back home) snap their gum. I don't know if that's the right term for it but it sounds like constant clicking or like tiny bugs tapping against a light bulb in an abandoned warehouse. This ajumma was doing that in a crowded subway and I stared at her until she stopped and moved away. SO FUCKING ANNOYING.

Oh God yes! that gum smacking is horrible!! HORRIBLE.

Also, am I the only one who thinks the smell of gum is disgusting?

And it's so much stronger when people are masticating it loudly with their mouths wide open.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 13, 2016, 10:32:28 AM
They made me eat a stupid unripe sour plum.  And everyone was standing around crunching and smacking saying mashisayooooo. 

Also, I don't know why my co-teacher feels the need to tear up every piece of paper into 100 pieces before throwing it away.  We have a shredder, but also I doubt anyone gives a shit to dig through the garbage and read your bs.

#minorannoyances
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 13, 2016, 10:32:28 AM
My CT is sitting next to me chewing and slurping ice cubes. I keep putting my ear buds in, and turning on music full ball. EVERY time I manage to get the them in, she taps me to ask me something then proceeds to chew and slurp as I answer her.

I don't know if this is just really annoying and would irritate anybody or if I have just reached the point of no return with this woman, and soon her breathing will annoy me.  :rolleyes:

I would probably stare at her mouth the whole time and hope she notices me passive aggressively telling her to stop it. That's so rude (your CT). Another thing I really hate is when people (I've only experienced this a few times in Korea but it happens frequently back home) snap their gum. I don't know if that's the right term for it but it sounds like constant clicking or like tiny bugs tapping against a light bulb in an abandoned warehouse. This ajumma was doing that in a crowded subway and I stared at her until she stopped and moved away. SO FUCKING ANNOYING.

Oh God yes! that gum smacking is horrible!! HORRIBLE.

Also, am I the only one who thinks the smell of gum is disgusting?

And it's so much stronger when people are masticating it loudly with their mouths wide open.

Once the flavor of the gum fades I find it actually leaves a wierder smell in your mouth, so yeah, I agree. I don't like gum, anyway. Ugh, and when people chew gum it makes this squishy, sloshy, hair-raising sound that makes me want to punch every living creature on the planet.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 13, 2016, 10:40:00 AM
They made me eat a stupid unripe sour plum.  And everyone was standing around crunching and smacking saying mashisayooooo. 

Also, I don't know why my co-teacher feels the need to tear up every piece of paper into 100 pieces before throwing it away.  We have a shredder, but also I doubt anyone gives a shit to dig through the garbage and read your bs.

#minorannoyances

My girlfriend will do this with receipts. I don't understand. Your name is not on it, and it's only the last 4 numbers of your 16 digit card number. She's worried about identity theft.

It's like me giving someone a combination lock (the old highschool locker ones)  and just saying 17 (not even clockwise or counter, or what number 17 is in the three number sequence. JUST 17).

There's no way they're going to open that lock. Am I insane here?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 13, 2016, 10:57:42 AM
So it turns out our vacation is starting two days earlier than was originally planned. In any other situation, this would be cause for celebration, but because of our contracts, it doesn't actually mean anything to me other than...more sitting around. yay.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 13, 2016, 11:26:01 AM
I wish I could just heavily sedate myself on meds for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 13, 2016, 11:26:21 AM
I wish I could just heavily sedate myself on meds for the rest of the year.

This
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 13, 2016, 11:29:39 AM
My CT is sitting next to me chewing and slurping ice cubes. I keep putting my ear buds in, and turning on music full ball. EVERY time I manage to get the them in, she taps me to ask me something then proceeds to chew and slurp as I answer her.

I don't know if this is just really annoying and would irritate anybody or if I have just reached the point of no return with this woman, and soon her breathing will annoy me.  :rolleyes:

I would probably stare at her mouth the whole time and hope she notices me passive aggressively telling her to stop it. That's so rude (your CT). Another thing I really hate is when people (I've only experienced this a few times in Korea but it happens frequently back home) snap their gum. I don't know if that's the right term for it but it sounds like constant clicking or like tiny bugs tapping against a light bulb in an abandoned warehouse. This ajumma was doing that in a crowded subway and I stared at her until she stopped and moved away. SO FUCKING ANNOYING.

Oh God yes! that gum smacking is horrible!! HORRIBLE.

Also, am I the only one who thinks the smell of gum is disgusting?

And it's so much stronger when people are masticating it loudly with their mouths wide open.

Once the flavor of the gum fades I find it actually leaves a wierder smell in your mouth, so yeah, I agree. I don't like gum, anyway. Ugh, and when people chew gum it makes this squishy, sloshy, hair-raising sound that makes me want to punch every living creature on the planet.

I just find gum disgusting in general. Sticky stuff smacked around in a mouth, coated in saliva, which ultimately some stupid asshat spits on the floor or sticks under something.  It's just gross man!

I wish I could just heavily sedate myself on meds for the rest of the year.
I'm going home for vacation. I intend seeing my GP to do just this. If I come back. Part of me is really worried I will just stay home.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kimchi_mandu on July 13, 2016, 11:36:27 AM
I wish I could just heavily sedate myself on meds for the rest of the year.

Oh god yes.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: orionchocopie on July 13, 2016, 11:42:57 AM
I wish I could just heavily sedate myself on meds for the rest of the year.

Oh god yes.
This is weird.  I've been here a while, but I have never felt like this.  The occasional annoyance, but nothing major.

Now I feel exactly like this, and I have noticed a few other people saying the same thing.

I feel like it's the beginning of the end and nobody cares anymore, so everything's going downhill (like working conditions).  It's very strange.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 13, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
I wish I could just heavily sedate myself on meds for the rest of the year.

Oh god yes.
This is weird.  I've been here a while, but I have never felt like this.  The occasional annoyance, but nothing major.

Now I feel exactly like this, and I have noticed a few other people saying the same thing.

I feel like it's the beginning of the end and nobody cares anymore, so everything's going downhill (like working conditions).  It's very strange.

I'm halfway through my third contract, which I know is not as long as some of the veterans on this site, but I've started feeling like this a few months ago. Waking up in the morning has become the worst part of the day. It always was, but now more than ever.

Just counting down the days... months... :blank:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on July 13, 2016, 12:48:07 PM
I had to do a poo at work today because I ate the school lunch.

Why can't they get toilet paper right? Do they think they are saving 100won by buying the Nanuri jumbo roll?

I practically had to use half of this roll to get a clean wipe.

Now I think I have worked out why some of my students go walking around smelling like shit all day.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: reudibeat on July 13, 2016, 01:11:08 PM
My allergies have been out of control lately. My nose is in a serious amount of pain from blowing it so much. I never had allergies back home but apparently I'm super allergic to July in Korea. Anyone else having trouble? I'm trying to figure out if it's outside stuff, stuff in my air conditioner, or if I suddenly developed a severe allergy to my cat (please god no). Took allergy meds the other day before school and was so dopey I literally almost passed out in the middle of my class  :cry:
Life is hard.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: TeresaD on July 13, 2016, 01:20:18 PM
I wish I could just heavily sedate myself on meds for the rest of the year.

Oh god yes.
This is weird.  I've been here a while, but I have never felt like this.  The occasional annoyance, but nothing major.

Now I feel exactly like this, and I have noticed a few other people saying the same thing.

I feel like it's the beginning of the end and nobody cares anymore, so everything's going downhill (like working conditions).  It's very strange.

I'm halfway through my third contract, which I know is not as long as some of the veterans on this site, but I've started feeling like this a few months ago. Waking up in the morning has become the worst part of the day. It always was, but now more than ever.

Just counting down the days... months... :blank:

I relate so much to all of this. It's my second year and it is much harder for me this year than it was last year (and last year was a challenge). Getting up in the morning is so hard. I practise positive thinking, go out of my way to do things I like/keep up with my hobbies, plan things for weekends etc, write words of affirmation all over the place, but I'm still drowning in this depressive episode right now. (Didn't help that I was super sick last week and I reacted poorly to the meds, getting a skin rash. Plus I think I have a tummy bug at the moment. *whinge whinge*)

I feel less alone. I'm counting the months too :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 13, 2016, 01:46:52 PM

I relate so much to all of this. It's my second year and it is much harder for me this year than it was last year (and last year was a challenge). Getting up in the morning is so hard. I practise positive thinking, go out of my way to do things I like/keep up with my hobbies, plan things for weekends etc, write words of affirmation all over the place, but I'm still drowning in this depressive episode right now. (Didn't help that I was super sick last week and I reacted poorly to the meds, getting a skin rash. Plus I think I have a tummy bug at the moment. *whinge whinge*)

I feel less alone. I'm counting the months too :cry:

I'm almost finished my third year now but the second was definitely the most difficult. Sounds like you're doing your best to stay positive but I know it can be hard.

First year for me, no honeymoon phase, but that was ok cause I was all about paying off debt and learning how to do this job (I wanted to do it well for the kids, or at least well enough in my co-Ts eyes) so I didn't really engage much with the culture or anything. That was fine, then.

Second year, a couple (only foreign) friends left and that along with with the extra free time (a lot less LP planning) really drove home the culture shock cause I tried to engage more with Korea. Awkwardness, fickle relationships and language barriers everywhere made it pretty shitty and I can totally relate to the second-year blues. I know some other peoples' disaffection with Korea started around then, too.

I stuck it out for a third year, cause I felt that my time here would've been a waste if I'd left after only two, and I'm glad I did. Resigned for a fourth year too. Things are pretty good now (maybe it's just the Stockholm Syndrome kicking in  :P) and I never have those old negative feelings anymore. Not that everything is perfect, just I fixed my perspective where needed and adjusted to the things I couldn't change.

Not trying to gloat  :P just saying I can definitely relate with wanting to GTFO after 2 years. But it can get better too...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 13, 2016, 02:18:00 PM
You know what's the worst? Gentrification.

I've been here for six years, and if you went to Hongdae, Itaewon, or any of the other places popular with people in their 20s (aside from Gangnam, gross) the ratio of independent restaurants and stores to brand name franchises was pretty favourable.

If you go to Hongdae or Itaewon, or even Hoegi, Jongno 3-ga, or basically any formerly fun area in Seoul, it's literally just like walking around an outdoor shopping mall or department store. Everything has been made shiny and bling bling, and is owned by some sort of large company or chaebol or brand.

It's miserable. Everything that was neat about Hongdae has been pushed out to Sangsu and Hapjeong, while Hongdae proper is a miserable hell.

Itaewon also used to be fantastic for being affordable, interesting, and unique. Now it's just a sterilized tourist trap for locals and visitors alike. Gross.

When this guy moves in....................... God dammit.

He has like, 7 (at least) different restaurant chains and when one comes in, you can be sure that there are 6 more coming in the next 18 months. They totally take over the neighbourhood around a subway stop and are always full. They ruin a lot of mom and pop restaurants, you know the people who've been cooking this dish for decades? Now, you get a bunch of 20 year old dipshits cooking from Baek's corporate playbook. 

Fck Mr. Baek.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 13, 2016, 02:21:38 PM
You know what's the worst? Gentrification.

I've been here for six years, and if you went to Hongdae, Itaewon, or any of the other places popular with people in their 20s (aside from Gangnam, gross) the ratio of independent restaurants and stores to brand name franchises was pretty favourable.

If you go to Hongdae or Itaewon, or even Hoegi, Jongno 3-ga, or basically any formerly fun area in Seoul, it's literally just like walking around an outdoor shopping mall or department store. Everything has been made shiny and bling bling, and is owned by some sort of large company or chaebol or brand.

It's miserable. Everything that was neat about Hongdae has been pushed out to Sangsu and Hapjeong, while Hongdae proper is a miserable hell.

Itaewon also used to be fantastic for being affordable, interesting, and unique. Now it's just a sterilized tourist trap for locals and visitors alike. Gross.
I LOVE Hapjeong area! There are so many nice little places around there and its slightly out of the hustle and bustle of Hongdae! But I agree with what you are saying. Luckily where I live there are still a lot of little independent places to go grab coffee/a bite, but I expect in the next year or so there will be more and more chain places popping up everywhere.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 13, 2016, 02:31:15 PM
You know what's the worst? Gentrification.

I've been here for six years, and if you went to Hongdae, Itaewon, or any of the other places popular with people in their 20s (aside from Gangnam, gross) the ratio of independent restaurants and stores to brand name franchises was pretty favourable.

If you go to Hongdae or Itaewon, or even Hoegi, Jongno 3-ga, or basically any formerly fun area in Seoul, it's literally just like walking around an outdoor shopping mall or department store. Everything has been made shiny and bling bling, and is owned by some sort of large company or chaebol or brand.

It's miserable. Everything that was neat about Hongdae has been pushed out to Sangsu and Hapjeong, while Hongdae proper is a miserable hell.

Itaewon also used to be fantastic for being affordable, interesting, and unique. Now it's just a sterilized tourist trap for locals and visitors alike. Gross.

When this guy moves in....................... God dammit.

He has like, 7 (at least) different restaurant chains and when one comes in, you can be sure that there are 6 more coming in the next 18 months. They totally take over the neighbourhood around a subway stop and are always full. They ruin a lot of mom and pop restaurants, you know the people who've been cooking this dish for decades? Now, you get a bunch of 20 year old dipshits cooking from Baek's corporate playbook. 

Fck Mr. Baek.

Can't stand this man. Especially can't stand the sight of his face, which makes the sight of his restaurants doubly infuriating because his face is plastered all over them. I can picture him now, on TV leaning over a bowl of soup and slurping every last ounce, all the while plotted how to overtake the mom-and-pop restaurant he happens to be patronizing that episode, and it sends chills down my spine. His businesses dominate half of Shincheon (near my home) now, which was never much of a scene but at least had some character.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 13, 2016, 02:40:40 PM
Can't stand this man. Especially can't stand the sight of his face, which makes the sight of his restaurants doubly infuriating because his face is plastered all over them. I can picture him now, on TV leaning over a bowl of soup and slurping every last ounce, all the while plotted how to overtake the mom-and-pop restaurant he happens to be patronizing that episode, and it sends chills down my spine. His businesses dominate half of Shincheon (near my home) now, which was never much of a scene but at least had some character.

Good to see I'm not alone.  8) Let's boycott him, together.

Hug a Mom and Pop restaurant today! 



Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 13, 2016, 03:05:49 PM
You know what's the worst? Gentrification.

I've been here for six years, and if you went to Hongdae, Itaewon, or any of the other places popular with people in their 20s (aside from Gangnam, gross) the ratio of independent restaurants and stores to brand name franchises was pretty favourable.

If you go to Hongdae or Itaewon, or even Hoegi, Jongno 3-ga, or basically any formerly fun area in Seoul, it's literally just like walking around an outdoor shopping mall or department store. Everything has been made shiny and bling bling, and is owned by some sort of large company or chaebol or brand.

It's miserable. Everything that was neat about Hongdae has been pushed out to Sangsu and Hapjeong, while Hongdae proper is a miserable hell.

Itaewon also used to be fantastic for being affordable, interesting, and unique. Now it's just a sterilized tourist trap for locals and visitors alike. Gross.

Indeed. I had a discussion about this with some local artists just the other night. It happens though.

The rising rent in Hapjeong is already squeezing people out and we're on schedule to run out of Sangsu in the coming years. Starbucks and The Face Shop just keep on herding people closer and closer to the Han River. Running out of dry land here... Some independent music venues have now jumped across the banks to Mullae.

Good news on Itaewon at least is that there's spread there too. All the foreign stuff has migrated northwest and the Korean hipster stuff southeast.

A lot of people are heralding Kondae as the next big thing, with its funky container mall, but it strikes me that the forces of gentrification themselves are the very ones fuelling its rise, not artists and indies.

At least under the current mayor, gentrification has slowed down somewhat. Much less razing of entire suburbs going on.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on July 13, 2016, 03:30:31 PM
tried to open a new bank account the other day. i've concluded it's easier to get married in korea than it is to open a new bank account. anyone tried it recently? christ, the documents you need to simply be their customer and give them your money...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 13, 2016, 03:36:12 PM
The worst is 할매순대. Like a cancer.

+1.

I know this sounds idiotic, but I would rather have a good meal at an independent resto than a better one at a chain. I'm willing to shave off a few taste points for authenticity.

I moved to Toronto from Sudbury (160 000 people, mining town) and I was already very well versed in cuisine and other cultures food (having not grown up in Sudbury, hahaha). My friends came down to visit me in Toronto (4 hr bus ride) and the first thing they ask when they get off? "Where's a McD?"

I wanted to flip out so bad. You came to visit me, I've lived here for over a year at this point. Let me take you to some good restaurants! Name a food, I'll find the best place for it, we're not fcking eating at McDs........  >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on July 13, 2016, 03:57:41 PM
You know what's the worst? Gentrification.

I've been here for six years, and if you went to Hongdae, Itaewon, or any of the other places popular with people in their 20s (aside from Gangnam, gross) the ratio of independent restaurants and stores to brand name franchises was pretty favourable.

If you go to Hongdae or Itaewon, or even Hoegi, Jongno 3-ga, or basically any formerly fun area in Seoul, it's literally just like walking around an outdoor shopping mall or department store. Everything has been made shiny and bling bling, and is owned by some sort of large company or chaebol or brand.

It's miserable. Everything that was neat about Hongdae has been pushed out to Sangsu and Hapjeong, while Hongdae proper is a miserable hell.

Itaewon also used to be fantastic for being affordable, interesting, and unique. Now it's just a sterilized tourist trap for locals and visitors alike. Gross.

When this guy moves in....................... God dammit.

He has like, 7 (at least) different restaurant chains and when one comes in, you can be sure that there are 6 more coming in the next 18 months. They totally take over the neighbourhood around a subway stop and are always full. They ruin a lot of mom and pop restaurants, you know the people who've been cooking this dish for decades? Now, you get a bunch of 20 year old dipshits cooking from Baek's corporate playbook. 

Fck Mr. Baek.

Can't stand this man. Especially can't stand the sight of his face, which makes the sight of his restaurants doubly infuriating because his face is plastered all over them. I can picture him now, on TV leaning over a bowl of soup and slurping every last ounce, all the while plotted how to overtake the mom-and-pop restaurant he happens to be patronizing that episode, and it sends chills down my spine. His businesses dominate half of Shincheon (near my home) now, which was never much of a scene but at least had some character.

Well, some of his TV programs are pretty informative if you're making Korean food. I really enjoyed some of his butchery vids. He's also not that obnoxious in his programs. It's just that he has really blown up over the last 3-4 years and that he's become overplayed and overrated that it becomes aggravating to see his mug on everything from restaurants to CU 도시락s.

And I agree his chain restaurants like 새마을식당 are wretched a choice of last resort whose saving grace is solely that it's 3AM and people have decided they want bbq and nowhere else is open and it's RIGHT there. Well, at least he isn't as bad as the awful 강호동 chain meat restaurants. The one in 명동 was absolutely insipid. Inedible tourist trap crap. I was with a group of people, and someone else chose the place, and normally I'd suck it up and not badmouth their choice (especially since she was an earnest girl), but this was so absolutely awful I just set my chopsticks down and refused to eat any more and not with any subtlety either. I'd rather eat Korean fusion food than that shit.

To the folks out there, I recommend always doing a Daum/Naver search of whatever subway stop you're at and what food you're looking for like 종로3가역 맛집/종로3가역 삼겹살 맛집. Oh and go beyond 삼겹살. Like, 목살 is such a better cut as is 갈매기살. Sometimes the bloggers go with corporate choices, but most of the time they pick mom and pop joints and are pretty good about their picks when it comes to Korean food. At the very least you can get an idea of meat quality (fresh or frozen), 반찬 quality and variety, prices, etc. Be warned in places like Shinchon, Hongdae, and Geondae because the most popular places are cheap joints that offer lots of food at a cheap price, satisfying young college students. And most restaurants in the popular areas are crap anyways.

loveizark's blog is nicely organized if you're looking for a place. Her choices for Korean food are generally good, less so for non-Korean food. Though lately I'm skeptical of a few choices and am wondering if she's starting to get recognized and being pressured by store owners to give good reviews.
http://blog.naver.com/PostThumbnailList.nhn?blogId=loveizark&parentCategoryNo=11&skinType=&skinId=&from=menu&userSelectMenu=true
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: khalavala on July 13, 2016, 04:19:20 PM
I have 12 days of camp - 4 hours each day.  48 hours of camp.  Is this even normal?

I got 15 days at 4-5 hours per day.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Savant on July 13, 2016, 04:28:21 PM
Chefu Baek. Is that the guy who goes around random restaurants and shoves a camera at a bowl of ramyeon that looks like every other bowl of ramyeon. Followed by up-close slurping action that makes the studio audience "oooohhh" about what is only a bowl of ramyeon.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on July 13, 2016, 04:39:17 PM
You know what's the worst? Gentrification.

I've been here for six years, and if you went to Hongdae, Itaewon, or any of the other places popular with people in their 20s (aside from Gangnam, gross) the ratio of independent restaurants and stores to brand name franchises was pretty favourable.

If you go to Hongdae or Itaewon, or even Hoegi, Jongno 3-ga, or basically any formerly fun area in Seoul, it's literally just like walking around an outdoor shopping mall or department store. Everything has been made shiny and bling bling, and is owned by some sort of large company or chaebol or brand.

It's miserable. Everything that was neat about Hongdae has been pushed out to Sangsu and Hapjeong, while Hongdae proper is a miserable hell.

Itaewon also used to be fantastic for being affordable, interesting, and unique. Now it's just a sterilized tourist trap for locals and visitors alike. Gross.

Indeed. I had a discussion about this with some local artists just the other night. It happens though.

The rising rent in Hapjeong is already squeezing people out and we're on schedule to run out of Sangsu in the coming years. Starbucks and The Face Shop just keep on herding people closer and closer to the Han River. Running out of dry land here... Some independent music venues have now jumped across the banks to Mullae.

Good news on Itaewon at least is that there's spread there too. All the foreign stuff has migrated northwest and the Korean hipster stuff southeast.

A lot of people are heralding Kondae as the next big thing, with its funky container mall, but it strikes me that the forces of gentrification themselves are the very ones fuelling its rise, not artists and indies.

At least under the current mayor, gentrification has slowed down somewhat. Much less razing of entire suburbs going on.

Speaking of, any good areas to look at in terms of housing?  I'm taking classes as Sogang soon and have been checking out the Dangsan station area for several of the reasons mentioned above...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 14, 2016, 07:32:50 AM
They're repairing some stairs outside so they spent all day yesterday grinding down concrete and I came in this morning to find that they're still at it. Can't they wait until the weekend?  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Dave Stepz on July 14, 2016, 07:37:40 AM
Chefu Baek. Is that the guy who goes around random restaurants and shoves a camera at a bowl of ramyeon that looks like every other bowl of ramyeon. Followed by up-close slurping action that makes the studio audience "oooohhh" about what is only a bowl of ramyeon.

The same.  The audience-gaspathon program when somebody is doing something utterly banal foodwise, to the amazement of the brainless dollops in the studio.  Korean food tv really is horrendous rubbish.  He is also the patron at Yesan High School in Chungnam where my Korean friend works.  All the teachers were warned that there was nothing illegal allowed to go on at the school because it would affect this brand.  Rug wearing pirck!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: toddingumi on July 14, 2016, 07:41:03 AM
I had to do a poo at work today because I ate the school lunch.

Why can't they get toilet paper right? Do they think they are saving 100won by buying the Nanuri jumbo roll?

I practically had to use half of this roll to get a clean wipe.

Now I think I have worked out why some of my students go walking around smelling like shit all day.

This. The John Wayne toilet paper. It's horrible
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Savant on July 14, 2016, 08:02:46 AM
Chefu Baek. Is that the guy who goes around random restaurants and shoves a camera at a bowl of ramyeon that looks like every other bowl of ramyeon. Followed by up-close slurping action that makes the studio audience "oooohhh" about what is only a bowl of ramyeon.

The same.  The audience-gaspathon program when somebody is doing something utterly banal foodwise, to the amazement of the brainless dollops in the studio.  Korean food tv really is horrendous rubbish.  He is also the patron at Yesan High School in Chungnam where my Korean friend works.  All the teachers were warned that there was nothing illegal allowed to go on at the school because it would affect this brand.  Rug wearing pirck!

I think he was on another cooking tv show where he was teaching the guests/hosts how to cook pancakes. Now, it's pancakes; not a 3 course meal using fine ingredients but they were all in awe at his pancake making ability.

I think the only Korean cooking show I like is "Celebrity Masterchef" because they have foreigners who cook food other than Korean food, which is what the normal Masterchef Korea is.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 14, 2016, 10:34:49 AM
I wish I could just heavily sedate myself on meds for the rest of the year.

Oh god yes.
This is weird.  I've been here a while, but I have never felt like this.  The occasional annoyance, but nothing major.

Now I feel exactly like this, and I have noticed a few other people saying the same thing.

I feel like it's the beginning of the end and nobody cares anymore, so everything's going downhill (like working conditions).  It's very strange.

I'm halfway through my third contract, which I know is not as long as some of the veterans on this site, but I've started feeling like this a few months ago. Waking up in the morning has become the worst part of the day. It always was, but now more than ever.

Just counting down the days... months... :blank:

I relate so much to all of this. It's my second year and it is much harder for me this year than it was last year (and last year was a challenge). Getting up in the morning is so hard. I practise positive thinking, go out of my way to do things I like/keep up with my hobbies, plan things for weekends etc, write words of affirmation all over the place, but I'm still drowning in this depressive episode right now. (Didn't help that I was super sick last week and I reacted poorly to the meds, getting a skin rash. Plus I think I have a tummy bug at the moment. *whinge whinge*)

I feel less alone. I'm counting the months too :cry:

I feel you and I wish you weren't going through this. I especially wish you weren't ill, that does make things so much harder.

Today is one of those days where I just cannot. I am so exhausted. Had two caffeine tablets and have overdosed on vitamin b and coffee and ... nothing. Just sitting here, staring at facebook (pokemon go page - hoping for a miracle) and waygook and refreshing every now and again. I just can't do anything. It's a bad day. This too shall pass, but if my CT gives me any grief about sitting here doing nothing, I am going to ask her why she is still marking her 10 grammar tests from last week. Why can't I nap at my desk like everyone else?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 14, 2016, 10:53:27 AM
Not a rant, but a depressing moment in class a while back. Students are doing a role-play involving a restaurant. I encourage them to change things up a bit wherever possible and praise any efforts at prop use or acting. Multiple groups in one class decided to change the script to end with them abusing and assaulting the (non-Korean) waiter character. They thought this was hilarious.

My attempts to turn this into a teachable moment were dissuaded by the co-teacher, presumably due to time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DLJL on July 14, 2016, 11:09:44 AM
I know I've done nothing but share my misfortunes in this thread lately, but here's another:

Yesterday I was rear ended while at a dead stop at a red light. The driver got out and immediately started photographing his own car. No word of apology to me, no asking if I was ok, not a word to the car in front of mine which he shunted me into either.

I called it before it even happened, something about his face and the fact that he looked about 21 but was driving an expensive SUV - this guy is going to lie and try to blame this on me.

Sure enough the insurance guy shows up and speaks English. The piece of shit tells him that I stopped suddenly, hit the car in front of me and then he went into the back of me, due to my sudden stop. Both myself and the car in front had actually been at a dead stop for over a minute, he went into the back of me because he was speeding and on his phone.

The insurance guy told me his version of events and asked if there was anything I wanted him to translate to the to other guy. I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions. The other guy went and hid out in his car while the insurance dude told me I should calm down.

Anyway, the stupid **** had a black box in his car which clearly showed that it was entirely his fault. 'My customer was mistaken with his story'. 'No your customer is a piece of shit.'

After driving away he still hadn't uttered a word of apology.

This concludes today's woe is me yarn.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 14, 2016, 11:14:15 AM

I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I am laughing so much at this, so much. I am sorry that it happened to you, but shit that is funny!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 14, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Chefu Baek. Is that the guy who goes around random restaurants and shoves a camera at a bowl of ramyeon that looks like every other bowl of ramyeon. Followed by up-close slurping action that makes the studio audience "oooohhh" about what is only a bowl of ramyeon.

The same.  The audience-gaspathon program when somebody is doing something utterly banal foodwise, to the amazement of the brainless dollops in the studio.  Korean food tv really is horrendous rubbish.  He is also the patron at Yesan High School in Chungnam where my Korean friend works.  All the teachers were warned that there was nothing illegal allowed to go on at the school because it would affect this brand.  Rug wearing pirck!

I think he was on another cooking tv show where he was teaching the guests/hosts how to cook pancakes. Now, it's pancakes; not a 3 course meal using fine ingredients but they were all in awe at his pancake making ability.

I think the only Korean cooking show I like is "Celebrity Masterchef" because they have foreigners who cook food other than Korean food, which is what the normal Masterchef Korea is.
I've said it before and I'll say it again here. Korean food is a lot of preparing, not a lot of cooking per se. Dalkgalbi is great, but anyone can be taught to prepare a complete dalkgalbi dish in 10 minutes. Hell, I don't even have to show you, I could do it verbally and any schmoe could do it. Duck confit? Yeah, you'll **** that up.

List any Korean food and you'll find that a lot of the time, it's prepared, not cuisined.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 14, 2016, 11:17:41 AM
I know I've done nothing but share my misfortunes in this thread lately, but here's another:

Yesterday I was rear ended while at a dead stop at a red light. The driver got out and immediately started photographing his own car. No word of apology to me, no asking if I was ok, not a word to the car in front of mine which he shunted me into either.

I called it before it even happened, something about his face and the fact that he looked about 21 but was driving an expensive SUV - this guy is going to lie and try to blame this on me.

Sure enough the insurance guy shows up and speaks English. The piece of shit tells him that I stopped suddenly, hit the car in front of me and then he went into the back of me, due to my sudden stop. Both myself and the car in front had actually been at a dead stop for over a minute, he went into the back of me because he was speeding and on his phone.

The insurance guy told me his version of events and asked if there was anything I wanted him to translate to the to other guy. I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions. The other guy went and hid out in his car while the insurance dude told me I should calm down.

Anyway, the stupid **** had a black box in his car which clearly showed that it was entirely his fault. 'My customer was mistaken with his story'. 'No your customer is a piece of shit.'

After driving away he still hadn't uttered a word of apology.

This concludes today's woe is me yarn.

This should be in the happiness thread.  I felt great satisfaction reading it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: devsterl on July 14, 2016, 11:18:32 AM
I know I've done nothing but share my misfortunes in this thread lately, but here's another:

Yesterday I was rear ended while at a dead stop at a red light. The driver got out and immediately started photographing his own car. No word of apology to me, no asking if I was ok, not a word to the car in front of mine which he shunted me into either.

I called it before it even happened, something about his face and the fact that he looked about 21 but was driving an expensive SUV - this guy is going to lie and try to blame this on me.

Sure enough the insurance guy shows up and speaks English. The piece of shit tells him that I stopped suddenly, hit the car in front of me and then he went into the back of me, due to my sudden stop. Both myself and the car in front had actually been at a dead stop for over a minute, he went into the back of me because he was speeding and on his phone.

The insurance guy told me his version of events and asked if there was anything I wanted him to translate to the to other guy. I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions. The other guy went and hid out in his car while the insurance dude told me I should calm down.

Anyway, the stupid **** had a black box in his car which clearly showed that it was entirely his fault. 'My customer was mistaken with his story'. 'No your customer is a piece of shit.'

After driving away he still hadn't uttered a word of apology.

This concludes today's woe is me yarn.

Can't remember, but are you the same person who saw a Korean open your car and turn the lights on to drain the battery?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 14, 2016, 11:24:11 AM
I know I've done nothing but share my misfortunes in this thread lately, but here's another:

Yesterday I was rear ended while at a dead stop at a red light. The driver got out and immediately started photographing his own car. No word of apology to me, no asking if I was ok, not a word to the car in front of mine which he shunted me into either.

I called it before it even happened, something about his face and the fact that he looked about 21 but was driving an expensive SUV - this guy is going to lie and try to blame this on me.

Sure enough the insurance guy shows up and speaks English. The piece of shit tells him that I stopped suddenly, hit the car in front of me and then he went into the back of me, due to my sudden stop. Both myself and the car in front had actually been at a dead stop for over a minute, he went into the back of me because he was speeding and on his phone.

The insurance guy told me his version of events and asked if there was anything I wanted him to translate to the to other guy. I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions. The other guy went and hid out in his car while the insurance dude told me I should calm down.

Anyway, the stupid **** had a black box in his car which clearly showed that it was entirely his fault. 'My customer was mistaken with his story'. 'No your customer is a piece of shit.'

After driving away he still hadn't uttered a word of apology.

This concludes today's woe is me yarn.

This should be in the happiness thread.  I felt great satisfaction reading it.

+1
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 14, 2016, 11:27:23 AM
I know I've done nothing but share my misfortunes in this thread lately, but here's another:

Yesterday I was rear ended while at a dead stop at a red light. The driver got out and immediately started photographing his own car. No word of apology to me, no asking if I was ok, not a word to the car in front of mine which he shunted me into either.

I called it before it even happened, something about his face and the fact that he looked about 21 but was driving an expensive SUV - this guy is going to lie and try to blame this on me.

Sure enough the insurance guy shows up and speaks English. The piece of shit tells him that I stopped suddenly, hit the car in front of me and then he went into the back of me, due to my sudden stop. Both myself and the car in front had actually been at a dead stop for over a minute, he went into the back of me because he was speeding and on his phone.

The insurance guy told me his version of events and asked if there was anything I wanted him to translate to the to other guy. I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions. The other guy went and hid out in his car while the insurance dude told me I should calm down.

Anyway, the stupid **** had a black box in his car which clearly showed that it was entirely his fault. 'My customer was mistaken with his story'. 'No your customer is a piece of shit.'

After driving away he still hadn't uttered a word of apology.

This concludes today's woe is me yarn.

I love the 'kill him' bit. I'm happy it worked out for you.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DLJL on July 14, 2016, 11:44:25 AM
I know I've done nothing but share my misfortunes in this thread lately, but here's another:

Yesterday I was rear ended while at a dead stop at a red light. The driver got out and immediately started photographing his own car. No word of apology to me, no asking if I was ok, not a word to the car in front of mine which he shunted me into either.

I called it before it even happened, something about his face and the fact that he looked about 21 but was driving an expensive SUV - this guy is going to lie and try to blame this on me.

Sure enough the insurance guy shows up and speaks English. The piece of shit tells him that I stopped suddenly, hit the car in front of me and then he went into the back of me, due to my sudden stop. Both myself and the car in front had actually been at a dead stop for over a minute, he went into the back of me because he was speeding and on his phone.

The insurance guy told me his version of events and asked if there was anything I wanted him to translate to the to other guy. I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions. The other guy went and hid out in his car while the insurance dude told me I should calm down.

Anyway, the stupid **** had a black box in his car which clearly showed that it was entirely his fault. 'My customer was mistaken with his story'. 'No your customer is a piece of shit.'

After driving away he still hadn't uttered a word of apology.

This concludes today's woe is me yarn.

Can't remember, but are you the same person who saw a Korean open your car and turn the lights on to drain the battery?

Yup, that's me. Believe it or not that very same guy who did that also stole the wallet out of my car on Tuesday (as well as a pack of rolling tobacco - because reasons). I knew it was him because he's generally a prick at the best of times and when he walked by me after the deed he couldn't stop looking over his shoulder and generally looking anxious as ****.

An hour after I crossed paths with him a security guard found it hurled over the fence at my school, with the cash gone of course.

Hence why the next day when I got rear ended I was pretty much at the end of my rope and seriously weighed up my options while the insurance guy was doing his checks; how much money will I lose if I don't fulfil the last five weeks of my contract but just beat the living shit out of this guy instead? I'd feel better. Oh and I wouldn't have to do camp. Maybe....

If it wasn't for the black box showing all his lies it could have gotten very ugly.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Aristocrat on July 14, 2016, 11:48:31 AM
I know I've done nothing but share my misfortunes in this thread lately, but here's another:

Yesterday I was rear ended while at a dead stop at a red light. The driver got out and immediately started photographing his own car. No word of apology to me, no asking if I was ok, not a word to the car in front of mine which he shunted me into either.

I called it before it even happened, something about his face and the fact that he looked about 21 but was driving an expensive SUV - this guy is going to lie and try to blame this on me.

Sure enough the insurance guy shows up and speaks English. The piece of shit tells him that I stopped suddenly, hit the car in front of me and then he went into the back of me, due to my sudden stop. Both myself and the car in front had actually been at a dead stop for over a minute, he went into the back of me because he was speeding and on his phone.

The insurance guy told me his version of events and asked if there was anything I wanted him to translate to the to other guy. I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions. The other guy went and hid out in his car while the insurance dude told me I should calm down.

Anyway, the stupid **** had a black box in his car which clearly showed that it was entirely his fault. 'My customer was mistaken with his story'. 'No your customer is a piece of shit.'

After driving away he still hadn't uttered a word of apology.

This concludes today's woe is me yarn.

I love the 'kill him' bit. I'm happy it worked out for you.

If he was willing to lie, claiming you were at fault, I'm almost certain you're incredibly lucky that he didn't sue you for threatening his safety, he has a witness.

Either way, glad everything worked out. Incidentally, does anyone have a front as well as a rear black box?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DLJL on July 14, 2016, 12:04:39 PM


If he was willing to lie, claiming you were at fault, I'm almost certain you're incredibly lucky that he didn't sue you for threatening his safety, he has a witness.

Either way, glad everything worked out. Incidentally, does anyone have a front as well as a rear black box?

It'd end up being a big mess - I think a person should get into serious trouble for lying to insurance people about how an accident happened, especially if the lie is shifting blame onto the person you have wronged. Not only was he not in the least bit sorry for what he did but he was perfectly happy to screw over the person he just hit by saying it was their fault.

I'm leaving in five weeks so the only outcome for me would have been me getting on a plane without my final month's pay and severance and what not if I'd ended up causing a scene and getting myself in trouble. I'd already made up my mind that no matter what he wasn't getting a penny out of me. The whole "I'm going to beat the shit out of this guy" was just rage, I was actually very calm about the whole thing until he started pulling that shit and then I started shaking uncontrollably and told the insurance guy that I needed to go sit down and have a cigarette, I couldn't even talk with them while the other guy was standing there, he was making me so angry.

You're right though it would have been a dumb move to escalate it, but his is a face that needs to be slapped by someone, at some point. We can only hope.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 14, 2016, 01:26:29 PM
Today they gave us sliced apples at lunch, but they'd been marinated in spicy vinegar stuff so it was like a nasty sweet kimchi or something. Why would you do that to apples? Why does every dish have to be spicy? Why couldn't they have just given us fresh sliced apples without ruining them like that. :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 14, 2016, 01:31:27 PM
Today they gave us sliced apples at lunch, but they'd been marinated in spicy vinegar stuff so it was like a nasty sweet kimchi or something. Why would you do that to apples? Why does every dish have to be spicy? Why couldn't they have just given us fresh sliced apples without ruining them like that. :cry:

I had a quartered tomato, arugula, pineapple and yuja (citrus?) salad covered in vinegar yesterday.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 14, 2016, 01:47:15 PM
I know I've done nothing but share my misfortunes in this thread lately, but here's another:

Yesterday I was rear ended while at a dead stop at a red light. The driver got out and immediately started photographing his own car. No word of apology to me, no asking if I was ok, not a word to the car in front of mine which he shunted me into either.

I called it before it even happened, something about his face and the fact that he looked about 21 but was driving an expensive SUV - this guy is going to lie and try to blame this on me.

Sure enough the insurance guy shows up and speaks English. The piece of shit tells him that I stopped suddenly, hit the car in front of me and then he went into the back of me, due to my sudden stop. Both myself and the car in front had actually been at a dead stop for over a minute, he went into the back of me because he was speeding and on his phone.

The insurance guy told me his version of events and asked if there was anything I wanted him to translate to the to other guy. I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

Complete with strangulation and fist motions. The other guy went and hid out in his car while the insurance dude told me I should calm down.

Anyway, the stupid **** had a black box in his car which clearly showed that it was entirely his fault. 'My customer was mistaken with his story'. 'No your customer is a piece of shit.'

After driving away he still hadn't uttered a word of apology.

This concludes today's woe is me yarn.

My (Korean, if it matters) girlfriend got hit by a car riding her bike across the crosswalk early this year. Granted, apparently your not supposed to ride your bike on the crosswalks here, you're supposed to walk it, and for some inane reason she decided to compromise her safety by riding around with earbuds in and without a helmet, but she waited for the light to change, she starts going after she sees the signal to walk, and she got nailed by a guy who never bothered to slow down coming around a broad, blind corner. She was hospitalized with some pretty serious injuries but eventually came out of it all right, but yeah, the driver's story didn't completely jibe with the truth. He said she was coming up the road on her bike from the opposite direction and was turning off the crosswalk. This was at a huge intersection but for some reason there was no CCTV installed on that corner, so for a while it wasn't clear how the situation would pan out, but eventually the police were able to find some CCTV footage from one of the businesses in front of which the accident happened. I despise that man for fabricating a story to shift the blame to the victim of his reckless driving and I probably would have acted similarly to DLJL if the driver had ever had the courage to visit my girlfriend in the hospital.

N.B. Because my girlfriend was on her bike, not walking it, she was still found to be 10% liable for the accident.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 14, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
Today they gave us sliced apples at lunch, but they'd been marinated in spicy vinegar stuff so it was like a nasty sweet kimchi or something. Why would you do that to apples? Why does every dish have to be spicy? Why couldn't they have just given us fresh sliced apples without ruining them like that. :cry:

Tbf the vinegar prevented browning.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 14, 2016, 02:13:08 PM
Like 4 teachers in the office are discussing or arguing (I can't tell which) about something to do with me and the sports club I supervise -- my name keeps getting tossed around but I don't know enough Korean to understand specifics.

Kind of giving me a headache though. Guess I'll be asking my coT later what the heck is going on  :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: TeresaD on July 14, 2016, 02:21:56 PM
I looked the piece of shit dead in the eye and told the translator to please tell him that if he doesn't tell the truth about what happened I will kill him - KILL HIM. Please make sure you tell him very clearly - I. WILL. KILL. HIM.

This made me laugh so hard I cried. I see you got a lot of appreciation for this part of the story, but I just had to say this seriously gave me such joy. (I am a pacifist, but that was hilarious :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 14, 2016, 02:35:49 PM
Today they gave us sliced apples at lunch, but they'd been marinated in spicy vinegar stuff so it was like a nasty sweet kimchi or something. Why would you do that to apples? Why does every dish have to be spicy? Why couldn't they have just given us fresh sliced apples without ruining them like that. :cry:

Tbf the vinegar prevented browning.
It also prevented it from being palatable.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DLJL on July 14, 2016, 03:59:29 PM


So, just eat the vinegar apples and understand that the bad taste will go away, but you'll be running on the energy of those apples for a few hours, and that's pretty cool.

Boy what a hoot dinner at your house must be.

Choke it down children, it's providing you with valuable calories to ensure your metabolism continues to function.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Savant on July 14, 2016, 09:19:35 PM
F*** the Korean banking system! Fastest internet in the world but the worlds shittest customer user experience when needing to do internet/smartphone banking.

Can't get a new certificate to my smartphone cause my laptop doesn't have Korean windows so I can get it copied to my computer but not my phone cause the window comes up in gibberish.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 15, 2016, 08:43:24 AM
My CoT just has a bit of self-awareness spring up. We have to make slogans for the English speech contest. I'm the native speaker (duh) so I'm coming up with all sorts of clever ones and I'm working hard and EVERY SINGLE one keeps getting shot down. I don't know what to do. I've come up with 12 of them and they're all shit? How?

So I finally cave a little and make them sound like my Co-T would want (A LITTLE BIT). She says they're better and types them into a document file. She translates them into Korean to show the principal later and says, "Ugh, these sound so stupid in Korean."

DING DING DING, that's how all Korean slogans sound when they are translated into English. That's why we have native speakers.

Touch out the hand beyond the world's dream

Imagine the mind of horizon

Reach up to exceed the Seolbing ladder (I love it when naver can't translate a word so it just phonetically anglicises it  :rolleyes:)

These aren't real obv, but we've all seen crap like this plastered all over the country. I'll handle the English slogans, you handle the Korean ones.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on July 15, 2016, 09:30:46 AM
These aren't real obv, but we've all seen crap like this plastered all over the country. I'll handle the English slogans, you handle the Korean ones.
The sad part is, those crappy slogans are far more effective than cooler sounding ones. Think bout who the audience is: the anglicized version of a great Korean slogan will sound like utter garbage to us, but will be a far better marketing jingle than anything we would come up with (which would lack any kind of resonance after it has run through the translator in the prospective customer's head).

"Hand-drip coffee for roasted lovers" ---> "구운 애호가를위한 핸드 드립 커피?" Awesome, sign me up!

"Where our expertise is still a family tradition." ---> "어디 우리의 전문 지식은 여전히 가족의 전통이다"? Wtf? What does that even mean? Sounds stupid.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on July 15, 2016, 09:38:49 AM
This is basically a daily gripe but I just can't help it: why do some Koreans talk so loudly? Why why why why. That's bad enough but it also seems like the louder the conversation, the longer it lasts.  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on July 15, 2016, 01:38:16 PM
Today they gave us sliced apples at lunch, but they'd been marinated in spicy vinegar stuff so it was like a nasty sweet kimchi or something. Why would you do that to apples? Why does every dish have to be spicy? Why couldn't they have just given us fresh sliced apples without ruining them like that. :cry:

Tbf the vinegar prevented browning.
It also prevented it from being palatable.

Food doesn't always have to be delicious. It's like when you buy bread for sandwiches, and then you finish all the toppings, but still have a piece of bread left. Dinner time comes around, you need to eat, but you only have a piece of bread.

You can make a meal out of that by putting some mustard and mayonnaise on it. It's not going to be the best meal you've ever had, but it's enough to say you didn't have to skip dinner.


So, just eat the vinegar apples and understand that the bad taste will go away, but you'll be running on the energy of those apples for a few hours, and that's pretty cool.

You must be joking.

This has never happened to me and will never happen to me so long as I can afford another loaf of bread.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 15, 2016, 01:40:40 PM
I get it. None of the teachers in this office have camps to plan for. They have a few days of deskwarming left then they can go enjoy their long vacations. But is it really necessary to play games at the top of your voice while I'm trying to do work. Every 2 minutes 'HANA DEUL SET... *shout random korean word*. So unbelievably selfish. And I don't even have a right to be annoyed because if it was vice versa and there were other native speakers here maybe we would be chatting or playing games too but, there isn't. So I'm stuck sitting listening to their crap. I know, I know, I need noise cancelling headphones. For now my headphones turned up full volume will have to suffice.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: reudibeat on July 15, 2016, 02:02:22 PM
Ugh, the lack of personal space in this country is really starting to get to me. I have one co-teacher who insists that her face be inches away from mine when I'm talking to her. Like, DO YOU HEAR WITH YOUR EYES AND YOU'RE HARD OF HEARING!? It drives me crazy. I tried to talk to her as we were walking out of our classroom today and she literally bent in really close and walked around so she was in my face. It was so bizarre that I actually had to pause and take a step back before I could even continue. Her English isn't great so maybe that's it but please, get your face away from my face.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on July 15, 2016, 02:07:19 PM
Ugh, the lack of personal space in this country is really starting to get to me. I have one co-teacher who insists that her face be inches away from mine when I'm talking to her. Like, DO YOU HEAR WITH YOUR EYES AND YOU'RE HARD OF HEARING!? It drives me crazy. I tried to talk to her as we were walking out of our classroom today and she literally bent in really close and walked around so she was in my face. It was so bizarre that I actually had to pause and take a step back before I could even continue. Her English isn't great so maybe that's it but please, get your face away from my face.

The Close Talker
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/38/c1/8c/38c18c6e5f40c383673ecb7db5fa0b25.jpg)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: reudibeat on July 15, 2016, 02:09:53 PM
Ugh, the lack of personal space in this country is really starting to get to me. I have one co-teacher who insists that her face be inches away from mine when I'm talking to her. Like, DO YOU HEAR WITH YOUR EYES AND YOU'RE HARD OF HEARING!? It drives me crazy. I tried to talk to her as we were walking out of our classroom today and she literally bent in really close and walked around so she was in my face. It was so bizarre that I actually had to pause and take a step back before I could even continue. Her English isn't great so maybe that's it but please, get your face away from my face.

The Close Talker
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/38/c1/8c/38c18c6e5f40c383673ecb7db5fa0b25.jpg)

Ugh, it's exactly this.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 15, 2016, 02:16:56 PM
I get it. None of the teachers in this office have camps to plan for. They have a few days of deskwarming left then they can go enjoy their long vacations. But is it really necessary to play games at the top of your voice while I'm trying to do work. Every 2 minutes 'HANA DEUL SET... *shout random korean word*. So unbelievably selfish. And I don't even have a right to be annoyed because if it was vice versa and there were other native speakers here maybe we would be chatting or playing games too but, there isn't. So I'm stuck sitting listening to their crap. I know, I know, I need noise cancelling headphones. For now my headphones turned up full volume will have to suffice.

This. Right now. I hate noise.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: weigookin74 on July 15, 2016, 02:31:19 PM
Ugh, the lack of personal space in this country is really starting to get to me. I have one co-teacher who insists that her face be inches away from mine when I'm talking to her. Like, DO YOU HEAR WITH YOUR EYES AND YOU'RE HARD OF HEARING!? It drives me crazy. I tried to talk to her as we were walking out of our classroom today and she literally bent in really close and walked around so she was in my face. It was so bizarre that I actually had to pause and take a step back before I could even continue. Her English isn't great so maybe that's it but please, get your face away from my face.

The Close Talker
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/38/c1/8c/38c18c6e5f40c383673ecb7db5fa0b25.jpg)

Ugh, it's exactly this.

Ever see pictures of Justin Trudeau with his face an inch away from others smiling and gazing into their eyes.  Talk about creeping others out.  Personal space dude!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 15, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
Wow, having a class canceled and un-canceled in the same day is super painful.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on July 15, 2016, 02:49:16 PM
Wow, having a class canceled and un-canceled in the same day is super painful.

That...what...really?...Um, just no. That would seriously ruin my day.

Sometimes the kids haven't arrived by the time the bell goes off and I get all excited but then they start filing in and I die a little inside.  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on July 15, 2016, 03:03:54 PM
has anyone else noticed how much people love to snitch in korea?

i sneaked off to the immigration office and came back. a teacher off-hand asked where i'd been. i said something like...reading, talking to students. she accepted it but gave a sceptical eye. i said, look, fine, i went to the immigration office quickly because i have no vacation spare. i said, but that's just between you and me, ok?

next thing i know she instantly goes to the principal and reports me! the ****? now there's a big hoo-har about the whole thing and everyone's going crazy. i'm leaving next month and i really don't give a shit, but **** me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 15, 2016, 03:05:47 PM
Don't they know snitches get stitches?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 15, 2016, 03:32:44 PM
has anyone else noticed how much people love to snitch in korea?

i sneaked off to the immigration office and came back. a teacher off-hand asked where i'd been. i said something like...reading, talking to students. she accepted it but gave a sceptical eye. i said, look, fine, i went to the immigration office quickly because i have no vacation spare. i said, but that's just between you and me, ok?

next thing i know she instantly goes to the principal and reports me! the ****? now there's a big hoo-har about the whole thing and everyone's going crazy. i'm leaving next month and i really don't give a shit, but **** me.

Wow... and it's not even like you went to a bar or cafe or anything. It was immigration. Honestly, I think any time we need to go to immigration that we should be allowed to use a business trip. The travel cost doesn't even need to be reimbursed; just stop making us use vacation time for something that's related to work. If I needed to go to the bank to send money home or something, then yeah, it's not work-related so I would just suck it up but it's annoying when they try to make you use vacation hours to go to immigration or to get a medical checkup (for work) or something.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on July 15, 2016, 03:38:41 PM
well, i had to go to immigration to change my visa from E2 to F6 a few weeks ago. told the school.

the next day, they said that I had to use half a day vacation instead of a business trip because i wasn't renewing my visa from E2 to E2, but changing to F6

i tried to argue what the difference was, as every year i have to go to immigration regardless. but it's only a business trip if i'm renewing my E2 visa and not changing visa status

so, of course i didn't tell them this time. i mentioned it off-hand to a teacher i thought i was friends with  :rolleyes:



Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 15, 2016, 03:44:30 PM
well, i had to go to immigration to change my visa from E2 to F6 a few weeks ago. told the school.

the next day, they said that I had to use half a day vacation instead of a business trip because i wasn't renewing my visa from E2 to E2, but changing to F6

i tried to argue what the difference was, as every year i have to go to immigration regardless. but it's only a business trip if i'm renewing my E2 visa and not changing visa status

so, of course i didn't tell them this time. i mentioned it off-hand to a teacher i thought i was friends with  :rolleyes:

Even changing from E2 to F6 though should have counted as business-related because it changes your relation to the school (in terms of documentation, I mean). Well, they're stupid. I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on July 15, 2016, 04:10:57 PM
I'm done with Summer 2016. What a miserable few weeks this has been in terms of news. Last time it was this bad was probably during The Nam. Seems the blows are failing one after the other now with frightful rapidity.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 15, 2016, 04:11:15 PM
well, i had to go to immigration to change my visa from E2 to F6 a few weeks ago. told the school.

the next day, they said that I had to use half a day vacation instead of a business trip because i wasn't renewing my visa from E2 to E2, but changing to F6

i tried to argue what the difference was, as every year i have to go to immigration regardless. but it's only a business trip if i'm renewing my E2 visa and not changing visa status

so, of course i didn't tell them this time. i mentioned it off-hand to a teacher i thought i was friends with  :rolleyes:

Even changing from E2 to F6 though should have counted as business-related because it changes your relation to the school (in terms of documentation, I mean). Well, they're stupid. I'll just leave it at that.

When renewing my F6 I use business leave. Kindly explain to them its that or you get deported (I had to the first time round.)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Dave Stepz on July 15, 2016, 04:31:44 PM
well, i had to go to immigration to change my visa from E2 to F6 a few weeks ago. told the school.

the next day, they said that I had to use half a day vacation instead of a business trip because i wasn't renewing my visa from E2 to E2, but changing to F6

i tried to argue what the difference was, as every year i have to go to immigration regardless. but it's only a business trip if i'm renewing my E2 visa and not changing visa status

so, of course i didn't tell them this time. i mentioned it off-hand to a teacher i thought i was friends with  :rolleyes:

Even changing from E2 to F6 though should have counted as business-related because it changes your relation to the school (in terms of documentation, I mean). Well, they're stupid. I'll just leave it at that.

When renewing my F6 I use business leave. Kindly explain to them its that or you get deported (I had to the first time round.)

If they don't budge take it as an unpaid half day.  As long as you don't take a total of 8 hours  (외출) then it won't be deducted as a whole day.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Aurata on July 15, 2016, 04:42:03 PM
I'm done with Summer 2016. .

We're not even halfway through.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on July 15, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
has anyone else noticed how much people love to snitch in korea?

i sneaked off to the immigration office and came back. a teacher off-hand asked where i'd been. i said something like...reading, talking to students. she accepted it but gave a sceptical eye. i said, look, fine, i went to the immigration office quickly because i have no vacation spare. i said, but that's just between you and me, ok?

next thing i know she instantly goes to the principal and reports me! the ****? now there's a big hoo-har about the whole thing and everyone's going crazy. i'm leaving next month and i really don't give a shit, but **** me.

Fairly certain that happened to me one Friday when I decided to leave 20 minutes early and one of my more standoffish co-teachers saw me. That next Monday, I was told (albeit, kindly) that I was not able to leave school early without approval.

Still.  >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Aristocrat on July 15, 2016, 09:30:10 PM
has anyone else noticed how much people love to snitch in korea?

i sneaked off to the immigration office and came back. a teacher off-hand asked where i'd been. i said something like...reading, talking to students. she accepted it but gave a sceptical eye. i said, look, fine, i went to the immigration office quickly because i have no vacation spare. i said, but that's just between you and me, ok?

next thing i know she instantly goes to the principal and reports me! the ****? now there's a big hoo-har about the whole thing and everyone's going crazy. i'm leaving next month and i really don't give a shit, but **** me.

Fairly certain that happened to me one Friday when I decided to leave 20 minutes early and one of my more standoffish co-teachers saw me. That next Monday, I was told (albeit, kindly) that I was not able to leave school early without approval.

Still.  >:(

I detest the fact that I'm expected to run to the VP, like a kid, to ask permission for every little thing. Last Friday I had a terrible headache, from a sinus infection so I told my CT I was leaving at 4pm... 30min early, and she still wanted to walk with me to ask the VP.

All the staff and CTs I've met seem to have no complaints about this; cultural differences I assume. I've told a few CTs that it's completely normal for an adult, in any profession, back home to leave their workplace during lunch and do whatever they wanted, as long as they were back before lunch ended.
I don't understand the whole 'insurance liability' argument. Aren't adults responsible for their own actions over here? If I get in a car accident, while driving, how the hell is the school liable?

Today, after lunch and with no classes left, I needed to use the loo. I wasn't prepared to use the filthy school toilets so I just drove home (5min), did my business and came back. I don't tell anyone anymore, I just go.

 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on July 16, 2016, 08:47:47 AM
i never ask anymore either and just leave. but the one time i told a teacher in confidence - the only teacher who came to my wedding, with whom i constantly share materials and have sat next to for the past 6 months - instantly grassed me up!

what incentive is there to ask permission to leave if they are just going to deduct it from my vacation time anyway? especially as i'm sat at my desk for 4 hours a day with literally nothing to do. it's not like i went home. i went to immigration, to prevent being deported from the country!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 16, 2016, 11:06:54 AM
My CoT and myself make a big joke about always having to ask permission to leave like we are in a prison. She's always asking where her human rights went. HAHA
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Savant on July 16, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
i never ask anymore either and just leave. but the one time i told a teacher in confidence - the only teacher who came to my wedding, with whom i constantly share materials and have sat next to for the past 6 months - instantly grassed me up!

what incentive is there to ask permission to leave if they are just going to deduct it from my vacation time anyway? especially as i'm sat at my desk for 4 hours a day with literally nothing to do. it's not like i went home. i went to immigration, to prevent being deported from the country!

It's a petty mentality. It's just like when I was back in Primary School and our progress charts were displayed on the wall. Do something good and you get a gold star and you can measure your progress against the other kids. Koreans are like that; looking for anything to get that "gold star" from the boss, one-upping their "friends" and colleagues to move up the chart; even it means ratting out said friends and colleagues. And what's sad is that Koreans know the game that each of them plays: they are always at a constant state of readiness to screw someone over if it benefits them; no matter how small it is.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on July 18, 2016, 02:27:58 PM
Hmm...lots of missing posts these days  :undecided:
Title: Today, I'm at the end of my tether.
Post by: Aristocrat on July 19, 2016, 11:42:24 AM
Maybe it's because we're nearing the end of a long term, but teaching the 3rd grade elementary students with my CT (she leads most of the lesson), I'm about to explode from frustration.

- These kids don't know a single phonetic pronunciation of a single letter.
- Needless to say, they can't pronounce the vowels phonetically.
- The don't read anything, just repeat after the teacher or memorise the letter shapes and
  patterns, thanks to constant repetition so, any word longer 5 letters starting with 'M' is
  'Monkey'.

I'm constantly telling my CT to stop teaching material that is WAY above their reading level and to swop the ABC song she's been playing for 3 months (which simply teaches them to name letters) and use a song that teaches the letter sounds, much more valuable at this point since they can use it to read.

Today, she asks me to teach some basic vowels, and their sounds at the start of the lesson. I do and predictably, after 7 months, not one student in a class of 25 knows how or understands how to pronounce a vowel phonetically. I slowly move through introducing them to the sounds. After 10minutes, my CT wants to continue with the lesson. Despite demonstrating an inability to pronounce these vowels and sound out very simple words like 'cat', 'hat', and 'bat'
my CT, totally unfazed and oblivious, goes straight into the textbook teaching them to repeat and memorise words and sentences far beyond their ability.

Even a person without any teaching experience would figure out that they'd need to be taught to master the basics before jumping into this textbook BS.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 19, 2016, 01:31:41 PM
Why are kids so violent here? They hit each other so hard. The girls are bad too, they'll slap a boy in the back as hard as they can and it makes a huge sound.

This would be an automatic principal's office decision where I'm from. Here? Meh, they're kids.

And there is nothing worse than a children's, top of the lungs "야~~~~~!"
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 19, 2016, 01:57:55 PM
Why are kids so violent here? They hit each other so hard. The girls are bad too, they'll slap a boy in the back as hard as they can and it makes a huge sound.

This would be an automatic principal's office decision where I'm from. Here? Meh, they're kids.

And there is nothing worse than a children's, top of the lungs "야~~~~~!"

I've seen a 6th grader whack a new male teacher on the back. Hard.

My mouth dropped open while my coT just said, "Oh yes, the girls find him very interesting."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 19, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? So I only do camps with my middle schoolers [so far], but my elem. coT keeps asking me for ALL my lesson plans and ALL my materials for camps.

Like it's not even elementary school camp. I was trying to be amicable so I said that maybe I could send her the schedule if I had time but then she kept saying she wanted me to send her EVERYTHING. I told her I was very busy preparing but she kept "asking" me to send her everything this week.  :rolleyes:

This coT has nothing to do with my camps at all. I tried to tell her that some of the materials were impossible to send through email, to no avail. Lolz totally gonna email you some Jenga

I still haven't sent her anything from winter camp so I imagine the outcome will be the same this time. I just don't get why she wants everything.  :undecided:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mezoti97 on July 19, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
I came back to the 교과실 after spending all morning in the English room to find that somebody left broken scissors and a used tissue on my desk. >:(

There have been other days when I come back to find my plants were rearranged...

On my last day of work (i.e. my last day of my contract) at my last public school job a few years ago, I came to my office to find my desk an utter mess (things were knocked over, etc.) -- it was in complete disarray. It looked like someone had intentionally made a mess of my stuff on my desk (I hadn't been to my office in my then-school in over a month since I had been away teaching English camp at another location in town and then I had my summer vacation right after that). On the bright side, though, at least nothing was missing or stolen.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on July 19, 2016, 02:15:01 PM
you know your school doesn't give a **** about you or camp when they won't even give you basic materials such as paper clips and elastic bands.

CO2, did you never play dead arm or slapsies at school?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mezoti97 on July 19, 2016, 02:16:19 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? So I only do camps with my middle schoolers [so far], but my elem. coT keeps asking me for ALL my lesson plans and ALL my materials for camps.

Like it's not even elementary school camp. I was trying to be amicable so I said that maybe I could send her the schedule if I had time but then she kept saying she wanted me to send her EVERYTHING. I told her I was very busy preparing but she kept "asking" me to send her everything this week.  :rolleyes:

This coT has nothing to do with my camps at all. I tried to tell her that some of the materials were impossible to send through email, to no avail. Lolz totally gonna email you some Jenga

I still haven't sent her anything from winter camp so I imagine the outcome will be the same this time. I just don't get why she wants everything.  :undecided:

Did you ask your co-teacher why she wants your middle school camp material?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: toddingumi on July 19, 2016, 02:24:13 PM
Stop slurping ur gaddamn nectarine and smacking ur lips like an animal!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Action Jackson on July 19, 2016, 02:24:57 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? So I only do camps with my middle schoolers [so far], but my elem. coT keeps asking me for ALL my lesson plans and ALL my materials for camps.

Like it's not even elementary school camp. I was trying to be amicable so I said that maybe I could send her the schedule if I had time but then she kept saying she wanted me to send her EVERYTHING. I told her I was very busy preparing but she kept "asking" me to send her everything this week.  :rolleyes:

This coT has nothing to do with my camps at all. I tried to tell her that some of the materials were impossible to send through email, to no avail. Lolz totally gonna email you some Jenga

I still haven't sent her anything from winter camp so I imagine the outcome will be the same this time. I just don't get why she wants everything.  :undecided:

Did you ask your co-teacher why she wants your middle school camp material?
My guess would be she was just told she has to do a camp so she's just going to use someone else's stuff.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 19, 2016, 02:30:32 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? So I only do camps with my middle schoolers [so far], but my elem. coT keeps asking me for ALL my lesson plans and ALL my materials for camps.

Like it's not even elementary school camp. I was trying to be amicable so I said that maybe I could send her the schedule if I had time but then she kept saying she wanted me to send her EVERYTHING. I told her I was very busy preparing but she kept "asking" me to send her everything this week.  :rolleyes:

This coT has nothing to do with my camps at all. I tried to tell her that some of the materials were impossible to send through email, to no avail. Lolz totally gonna email you some Jenga

I still haven't sent her anything from winter camp so I imagine the outcome will be the same this time. I just don't get why she wants everything.  :undecided:

No, the closest I've come to experiencing something like this is a coT from a secondary school asking me for the LPs on lessons I had planned at my main school -- this was mostly out of curiosity on her part, she just wanted to read the steps to my planned activities and games (my notes are super detailed on how to execute them), but I think she wanted to eventually try them out for herself. She thought her own classes were too boring but was stuck on how to make them more fun.

That's the only thing I can figure your coT would want all of that info/material from you -- massive curiosity, just wanting to read and figure out how you conduct your classes... or she could be wanting to scavenge them to use for her own classes. Is she in charge of camps at the elem. school?

But who knows? People's true motives still surprise me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 19, 2016, 02:32:12 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? So I only do camps with my middle schoolers [so far], but my elem. coT keeps asking me for ALL my lesson plans and ALL my materials for camps.

Like it's not even elementary school camp. I was trying to be amicable so I said that maybe I could send her the schedule if I had time but then she kept saying she wanted me to send her EVERYTHING. I told her I was very busy preparing but she kept "asking" me to send her everything this week.  :rolleyes:

This coT has nothing to do with my camps at all. I tried to tell her that some of the materials were impossible to send through email, to no avail. Lolz totally gonna email you some Jenga

I still haven't sent her anything from winter camp so I imagine the outcome will be the same this time. I just don't get why she wants everything.  :undecided:

Did you ask your co-teacher why she wants your middle school camp material?
My guess would be she was just told she has to do a camp so she's just going to use someone else's stuff.

She just says she's "very interested."

This is also the coT that demands I send her lesson plans and materials in advance (that she never checks, so I just send her random files as I don't like rushing my planning for someone who doesn't even look at them) and often tries to tell me I "can't use the computer" cause she "needs" it -- woman, can't you do your online shopping on your phone??  >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 19, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
One time my elem. coT tried to tell me I couldn't use the computer all day because she had to "download something very important." You know I can use the computer and it'll still download in the background, right? This from the same coT who acts surprised every time the screen changes when she accidentally touches it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Action Jackson on July 19, 2016, 02:40:33 PM
Why does every single person that comes to look at my apartment leave the door open upon entering?  It's not like the air conditioning is on or anything, but let me just go ahead and try to cool down that stairwell as you make your way back down.  I would also like to thank you for letting the flies and mosquitos that were also outside, in.  I was getting mighty lonely with only the dog here to keep me company.  I know most people will say well why don't you just close it after they come in, but my medium sized dog seems to freak out about half the people who come by so I try to keep him away from them the whole time they're here (even though all he really wants to do is sniff them).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: channel5karate on July 19, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? So I only do camps with my middle schoolers [so far], but my elem. coT keeps asking me for ALL my lesson plans and ALL my materials for camps.

Like it's not even elementary school camp. I was trying to be amicable so I said that maybe I could send her the schedule if I had time but then she kept saying she wanted me to send her EVERYTHING. I told her I was very busy preparing but she kept "asking" me to send her everything this week.  :rolleyes:

This coT has nothing to do with my camps at all. I tried to tell her that some of the materials were impossible to send through email, to no avail. Lolz totally gonna email you some Jenga

I still haven't sent her anything from winter camp so I imagine the outcome will be the same this time. I just don't get why she wants everything.  :undecided:

you know you can intentionally corrupt files?
step 1: copy all of your camp materials so you have your stash, and the copies
step 2: corrupt the copies. they retain the file size and names but error.
step 3: act surprised when they don't work, if she even realizes it before it's too late.
step 4:  :evil:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 19, 2016, 02:50:32 PM
Oh and for weeks she's been telling me I need to have lots of fun activities planned for the last classes of the semester after tests!

Last week she took up half a class to finish the book with one of the grades. This totally could have been done before the tests...

Then yesterday she took half the time of two other classes to finish the book. And today she needed "just 10 minutes" with the 4th graders which turned into 30 minutes. Luckily the kids were happy with the game I ended up doing given the time constraints. But their finals were two weeks ago... and instead of leaving what you should have done to the last minute, you'd think it'd make more sense to finish the book material BEFORE their tests.  :blank:

And then she needed "just 20 minutes" with the 3rd graders which ended up taking the entire class period. And this was the only class where she made a big deal out of "What kinds of activities are we going to do today?" and then telling all the students. As we were leaving the classroom, some of the students looked at me sadly and said, "board game??"

The poor kids.... like all she does is teach directly from the CD. So it irks me that I'm not allowed to use the CD at all "because she uses it" (not that I would want to, I hate the CDs and the songs and videos, but it's the principle of the matter) but she constantly demands I always send her all my materials and lesson plans
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 19, 2016, 02:53:04 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? So I only do camps with my middle schoolers [so far], but my elem. coT keeps asking me for ALL my lesson plans and ALL my materials for camps.

Like it's not even elementary school camp. I was trying to be amicable so I said that maybe I could send her the schedule if I had time but then she kept saying she wanted me to send her EVERYTHING. I told her I was very busy preparing but she kept "asking" me to send her everything this week.  :rolleyes:

This coT has nothing to do with my camps at all. I tried to tell her that some of the materials were impossible to send through email, to no avail. Lolz totally gonna email you some Jenga

I still haven't sent her anything from winter camp so I imagine the outcome will be the same this time. I just don't get why she wants everything.  :undecided:

you know you can intentionally corrupt files?
step 1: copy all of your camp materials so you have your stash, and the copies
step 2: corrupt the copies. they retain the file size and names but error.
step 3: act surprised when they don't work, if she even realizes it before it's too late.
step 4:  :evil:

Brilliant  :laugh: I actually don't know how to do that, but it'd be a good trick to have on hand. She never checks the regular lesson plans I send her anyway (which have been the same old files for quite awhile  :wink:) so it'd be a moot point.

I feel like she's just trying to hoard all the materials she can from me just in case she ever tries to do something not from the book.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: channel5karate on July 19, 2016, 02:56:33 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? So I only do camps with my middle schoolers [so far], but my elem. coT keeps asking me for ALL my lesson plans and ALL my materials for camps.

Like it's not even elementary school camp. I was trying to be amicable so I said that maybe I could send her the schedule if I had time but then she kept saying she wanted me to send her EVERYTHING. I told her I was very busy preparing but she kept "asking" me to send her everything this week.  :rolleyes:

This coT has nothing to do with my camps at all. I tried to tell her that some of the materials were impossible to send through email, to no avail. Lolz totally gonna email you some Jenga

I still haven't sent her anything from winter camp so I imagine the outcome will be the same this time. I just don't get why she wants everything.  :undecided:

you know you can intentionally corrupt files?
step 1: copy all of your camp materials so you have your stash, and the copies
step 2: corrupt the copies. they retain the file size and names but error.
step 3: act surprised when they don't work, if she even realizes it before it's too late.
step 4:  :evil:

Brilliant  :laugh: I actually don't know how to do that, but it'd be a good trick to have on hand. She never checks the regular lesson plans I send her anyway (which have been the same old files for quite awhile  :wink:) so it'd be a moot point.

I feel like she's just trying to hoard all the materials she can from me just in case she ever tries to do something not from the book.
open the ppt file (if it is a ppt file) in notepad.  it could take a while to open if it's a big file.  you'll see a lot of symbols and gibberish.  add anything- one letter will do it.  then save it.  now try opening it in powerpoint.  it encounters an error.
alternatively, you can use https://corrupt-a-file.net/
good luck!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 19, 2016, 03:13:17 PM
There's a sixth grade girl that will sneak up behind me and use both hands to hit me as hard as she can on the back. I don't think it's funny at all (and it hurts) but she thinks it's hilarious for some reason. I haven't gotten after her too much because she's kind of sensitive but I'm not going to tolerate it anymore.
 I wish these kids weren't so violent with each other (and I wish I could send them to the principal or kick them out of class).

I'm so frustrated with the printer. I'm making a passport book for camp, and I figured out all the dimensions and when I printed a black and white copy it worked perfectly, but when I sent it to the color printer everything shifted so it's out of alignment. Nothing I did fixed it. Why can't things just work?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 19, 2016, 03:22:43 PM
you know your school doesn't give a **** about you or camp when they won't even give you basic materials such as paper clips and elastic bands.

CO2, did you never play dead arm or slapsies at school?

I have no idea what that means.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 19, 2016, 03:24:24 PM
There's a sixth grade girl that will sneak up behind me and use both hands to hit me as hard as she can on the back. I don't think it's funny at all (and it hurts) but she thinks it's hilarious for some reason. I haven't gotten after her too much because she's kind of sensitive but I'm not going to tolerate it anymore.
 I wish these kids weren't so violent with each other (and I wish I could send them to the principal or kick them out of class).

I'm so frustrated with the printer. I'm making a passport book for camp, and I figured out all the dimensions and when I printed a black and white copy it worked perfectly, but when I sent it to the color printer everything shifted so it's out of alignment. Nothing I did fixed it. Why can't things just work?

Save it as a PDF before you print it. It freezes the format. Go to "Save As" and in the window that pops up, select PDF from the "File Type" menu (I think that's what it's called... in Korean it's 파일 형식 if you're using the school computer).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 19, 2016, 03:37:47 PM
Save it as a PDF before you print it. It freezes the format. Go to "Save As" and in the window that pops up, select PDF from the "File Type" menu (I think that's what it's called... in Korean it's 파일 형식 if you're using the school computer).

I always thought they were pronounced "peddef file." What a rude awakening.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 19, 2016, 03:38:43 PM
Save it as a PDF before you print it. It freezes the format. Go to "Save As" and in the window that pops up, select PDF from the "File Type" menu (I think that's what it's called... in Korean it's 파일 형식 if you're using the school computer).
Oh my gosh it worked! Thank you so much!! I really appreciate it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 19, 2016, 04:01:38 PM
Save it as a PDF before you print it. It freezes the format. Go to "Save As" and in the window that pops up, select PDF from the "File Type" menu (I think that's what it's called... in Korean it's 파일 형식 if you're using the school computer).

I always thought they were pronounced "peddef file." What a rude awakening.

 :laugh:

Save it as a PDF before you print it. It freezes the format. Go to "Save As" and in the window that pops up, select PDF from the "File Type" menu (I think that's what it's called... in Korean it's 파일 형식 if you're using the school computer).
Oh my gosh it worked! Thank you so much!! I really appreciate it.  :laugh:

No problem. ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: waygook2016 on July 19, 2016, 06:56:50 PM
My principal decided to move all of the Korean English teachers and I into the Vice Principal's office. So now I'm in a room with 10 other teachers and instead of my cozy English office.

Also, there was absolutely no room for our desks in the VP's office, so I'm a fire hazard now. Letting me use the English classroom as my office was "impossible."

And my desk is now positioned so everyone can see what I'm doing.

And the fans blow my hair in my face and I can't tie it back because someone might see the tip of my tattoo and complain to the DMOE.

And I have three weeks of summer camp before vacation.

..... I am just so done with this semester. I'm afraid I'm going to accidentally snap at someone because I'm so frustrated with life right now. Everyone keeps saying that the spring semester is so much worse than fall, and I hope that's true because I'm not sure I can handle this for another seven months.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on July 20, 2016, 02:18:12 AM
Why does every single person that comes to look at my apartment leave the door open upon entering?  It's not like the air conditioning is on or anything, but let me just go ahead and try to cool down that stairwell as you make your way back down.  I would also like to thank you for letting the flies and mosquitos that were also outside, in.  I was getting mighty lonely with only the dog here to keep me company.  I know most people will say well why don't you just close it after they come in, but my medium sized dog seems to freak out about half the people who come by so I try to keep him away from them the whole time they're here (even though all he really wants to do is sniff them).
Well, considering how most pet "owners" become acclimated to the unpleasant odors of their pet, I'm sure these visitors are simply trying to survive.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: wanderingskald on July 20, 2016, 07:46:11 AM
My principal decided to move all of the Korean English teachers and I into the Vice Principal's office. So now I'm in a room with 10 other teachers and instead of my cozy English office.

Also, there was absolutely no room for our desks in the VP's office, so I'm a fire hazard now. Letting me use the English classroom as my office was "impossible."

And my desk is now positioned so everyone can see what I'm doing.

And the fans blow my hair in my face and I can't tie it back because someone might see the tip of my tattoo and complain to the DMOE.

And I have three weeks of summer camp before vacation.

..... I am just so done with this semester. I'm afraid I'm going to accidentally snap at someone because I'm so frustrated with life right now. Everyone keeps saying that the spring semester is so much worse than fall, and I hope that's true because I'm not sure I can handle this for another seven months.

I'm sorry to hear your refuge was taken away.  I feel your pain.  My first school pulled the same thing - but instead of making me move, they just invaded my office with the homeroom teachers.  Privacy gone. 

2nd semester is objectively superior.  The monsoon season is gone so you don't have to worry about being coated in a miasma of sweat and rain all day.  Fall is quite pleasant in Korea and winters, while brutally cold, are superior to the hellish summers here.  It'll be easier for you since the VP will most likely keep the heat running during winter.  There are also a lot more red days and trips in my experience where they cancel classes.  The school year officially finishes at the end of 2nd semester which means they will be getting the kids ready for next year and wrapping things up with tests and events.  It's a lot better, I promise.  The "summer slump" is rough for us all.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: The Arm on July 20, 2016, 07:56:26 AM
My CT every day: "We need to make the camp exciting and interesting".

Ah, what you actually mean is "The Arm, you need to make the camp exciting and interesting while I do no planning or teaching whatsoever but still collect a nice chunk of overtime pay on top of my regular salary".

Got it.

I know it's one of my most common rants but  :evil: :evil: :evil:

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 20, 2016, 08:09:02 AM
Day 1 of summer deskwarming. English camps 1 and 2 are next week. Heading home to Canada for a couple weeks then back to teach camp #3....Then like that summer will be over.  :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 20, 2016, 08:20:04 AM
My CT every day: "We need to make the camp exciting and interesting".

Ah, what you actually mean is "The Arm, you need to make the camp exciting and interesting while I do no planning or teaching whatsoever but still collect a nice chunk of overtime pay on top of my regular salary".

Got it.

I know it's one of my most common rants but  :evil: :evil: :evil:

Right? What the hell? I am busy slaving away and I get "MataHari, we must clean all the English Centre on Thursday and Friday and move everything around." "Okay", I say. "Then I will need you to help me finish up camp planning by Wednesday". This is agreed to. I give CT the workbook files for camp, which need to be printed and bound. 4 levels, 4 camps, 100 students. CT spent yesterday on the phone, on the internet, facebook, nothing has been printed. I need CT to help me cut out 100 paper ties too.... but hey if CT isn't going to do the books yet, why bother, because will that get done? I will not be surprised if nothing gets done until Monday morning, 10 minutes before 1st camp starts, and then CT runs around like a chicken without a head saying that I never asked CT to do it, or some other responsibility avoidance tactic.

It's called being prepared. Being organised. Pre-planning. Getting off your lazy fat ass and doing something.

Of course if anything goes wrong with camp, it will be because of me, my fault, a misunderstanding and not understanding CT's unique situation.

She is sitting right next to me now... doing nothing... on Kakao... COME ON!!!!

Yeah, f*%k.

GOOOOD morning everyone. :rolleyes:

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 20, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Day 1 of summer deskwarming. English camps 1 and 2 are next week. Heading home to Canada for a couple weeks then back to teach camp #3....Then like that summer will be over.  :huh:

I would hate to go on vacation with camp looming over my head. :cry: That's one of the things I like about my school: I have to do two weeks of camp, but I get to choose when to do them, so I do them as soon as the school vacation starts before taking my vacation days.

On the other hand, it means that I have to drag myself through two weeks of camp with all the troublemaker kids because they seem to be the only ones signing up. :cry: :cry: :cry: Probably their mothers trying to get a break by dumping them on me. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 20, 2016, 09:18:29 AM
I don't like people. Especially before 9 am.

My CT never talks to me. I enjoy this. It's a wonderful working relationship on par with my college room mate whom I never spoke to. 

This morning she felt the need to break this relationship.

I don't care about your hangover or that you're tired. I want to read the news paper before my classes.

If you didn't catch it, my 1 word answer was an indication that I don't want to talk.

OMFG, okay how was your night?

(Insert random answer.)

That's great. Back to the paper.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Action Jackson on July 20, 2016, 09:42:27 AM
Why does every single person that comes to look at my apartment leave the door open upon entering?  It's not like the air conditioning is on or anything, but let me just go ahead and try to cool down that stairwell as you make your way back down.  I would also like to thank you for letting the flies and mosquitos that were also outside, in.  I was getting mighty lonely with only the dog here to keep me company.  I know most people will say well why don't you just close it after they come in, but my medium sized dog seems to freak out about half the people who come by so I try to keep him away from them the whole time they're here (even though all he really wants to do is sniff them).
Well, considering how most pet "owners" become acclimated to the unpleasant odors of their pet, I'm sure these visitors are simply trying to survive.
A valid point but this doesn't explain why I'm also closing the door after Korean teachers coming in and out of my classroom.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 20, 2016, 09:43:44 AM
Soooo my camp is August 1-8 and my ct told me the budget money won't arrive until September.  So I'm supposed to keep track of how many points each student earns and then use the money to buy them prizes a month later.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: angrybob2002 on July 20, 2016, 09:49:12 AM
Loki88, your comment reminded me of this classic Ron Swanson moment.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 20, 2016, 10:30:10 AM
Loki88, your comment reminded me of this classic Ron Swanson moment.

That's actually me and my roommate from college.

The only interactions we ever had was him turning around and closing the window and then me switching and opening it every 5 minutes or so and letting the other know the gf was showing up.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 20, 2016, 11:04:25 AM
HAHAHA

So my coteacher had gotten an English camp plan approved without my input, but I was like hey this is okay because she purposely made it a really low-teacher-involvement camp (lots of reading and movies, plus "American culture" to be taught by me).

I've been working on the American culture component and brainstorming/gathering materials the past few days, and then today she's like "Oh, by the way, please prepare the materials for the movie section of the camp."

Wait, what?? I thought she was just using the materials in this government education book on movies. She's clearly having to do a lot less work than I did - I even did the research to find an appropriate book to use for the camp AND went through to make vocab lists for each chapter. I know it would have been more work to make a camp more like the traditional summer camps (a theme for the whole week, various lessons on that theme), but at least it would have been on a topic I like. I hate teaching about American culture because it's hard and tbh a lot of it is not that interesting for the students.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 20, 2016, 11:57:10 AM
Co informed me that we have CPR training tomorrow for three hours and I have to go too. I kinda needed that time to prepare for summer camp but sure I'll sit there all afternoon and not understand what they're saying.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: robobob9000 on July 20, 2016, 12:58:33 PM
One of my elementary travelling schools hired a KET to teach after-school classes on days I'm not there. I've never met the KET, I've only seen printouts of what they are doing on my desk. She's konglishing everything. One worksheet looks like this:

1. 오른쪽은: 라잍
2. 왼쪽은: 레프트
3. 앞은: 프런트
4. 뒤는: 인
5. 밖은: 아웉
6. 높은곳은: 하이
7. 낮은곳은: 로우
8. 나란히: 사이드 바이 사이드

I don't usually get very angry, but this...ugh.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Zaiterade on July 20, 2016, 01:06:45 PM
I can't wait for my middle school camp next week. I have a whopping 5 students. The theme will be "American Summer circa 1995". Instead of going outside like our parents are begging us to, we will instead stay inside, eat junk food, watch movies, and play board games.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 20, 2016, 01:11:06 PM
One of my elementary travelling schools hired a KET to teach after-school classes on days I'm not there. I've never met the KET, I've only seen printouts of what they are doing on my desk. She's konglishing everything. One worksheet looks like this:

1. 오른쪽은: 라잍
2. 왼쪽은: 레프트
3. 앞은: 프런트
4. 뒤는: 인
5. 밖은: 아웉
6. 높은곳은: 하이
7. 낮은곳은: 로우
8. 나란히: 사이드 바이 사이드

I don't usually get very angry, but this...ugh.
My kids did stroytelling for the whole school and they got the English story and a translation of the story so they could really understand the cues of what was happening so they could act out the story better.

A lot of the kid's mother would pull that shit on their story telling sheets.

이트 이즈 어 콜드 데이 인 더 포레스트.

OI VEY. The kids end up sounding like complete turds in the storytelling classes. These are grade 5 kids too. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2016, 01:27:46 PM
I appear to have developed the anti-Midas touch.

The main computer isn't working.
The scanner isn't working.
The water isn't working (so thirsty).
Even my phone isn't working (although that one's in for repair).

At least I got the master for the summer programme books printed yesterday, so I was able to print and bind everything up whilst I give these machines a full virus scan and backup my files, but urgh!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on July 20, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
My principal decided to move all of the Korean English teachers and I into the Vice Principal's office. So now I'm in a room with 10 other teachers and instead of my cozy English office.

Also, there was absolutely no room for our desks in the VP's office, so I'm a fire hazard now. Letting me use the English classroom as my office was "impossible."

And my desk is now positioned so everyone can see what I'm doing.

And the fans blow my hair in my face and I can't tie it back because someone might see the tip of my tattoo and complain to the DMOE.

And I have three weeks of summer camp before vacation.

..... I am just so done with this semester. I'm afraid I'm going to accidentally snap at someone because I'm so frustrated with life right now. Everyone keeps saying that the spring semester is so much worse than fall, and I hope that's true because I'm not sure I can handle this for another seven months.

I've also been shuffled into a communal office. I told my co-t that I need the computer in the English room for planning. So, I will make an appearance in the morning and at the end of the day but I am not giving up my peace and quiet. They can make me show up and they can make me stay here all day but they cannot dictate where I am while I waste my time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: antmar on July 20, 2016, 01:59:22 PM
Today is my co teacher's last day of her contract at my school. She was only hired on for about six months. Now that she will be leaving, they are interviewing new teachers to fill her position. It's sad because she was a great teacher and more like a good friend. Hoping that the next co teacher is cool too and doesn't mind sneaking off to buy snacks during the middle of the day too.  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on July 20, 2016, 02:32:50 PM
Why does every single person that comes to look at my apartment leave the door open upon entering?  It's not like the air conditioning is on or anything, but let me just go ahead and try to cool down that stairwell as you make your way back down.  I would also like to thank you for letting the flies and mosquitos that were also outside, in.  I was getting mighty lonely with only the dog here to keep me company.  I know most people will say well why don't you just close it after they come in, but my medium sized dog seems to freak out about half the people who come by so I try to keep him away from them the whole time they're here (even though all he really wants to do is sniff them).
Well, considering how most pet "owners" become acclimated to the unpleasant odors of their pet, I'm sure these visitors are simply trying to survive.
A valid point but this doesn't explain why I'm also closing the door after Korean teachers coming in and out of my classroom.
Could be the fox and his own hole story...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: KirbyFan112 on July 20, 2016, 02:49:27 PM
I don't like people. Especially before 9 am.

My CT never talks to me. I enjoy this. It's a wonderful working relationship on par with my college room mate whom I never spoke to. 

This morning she felt the need to break this relationship.

I don't care about your hangover or that you're tired. I want to read the news paper before my classes.

If you didn't catch it, my 1 word answer was an indication that I don't want to talk.

OMFG, okay how was your night?

(Insert random answer.)

That's great. Back to the paper.

I survive on coffee before 9am. I'm really not a morning person either. It's tough to go into school with extremely energetic students everyday.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on July 20, 2016, 02:54:13 PM
Last week of elementary school, so I thought we'll just do movie class. I don't like doing movie classes, but when every other Korean teacher does them, and I come in, the first thing the kids say is "teacher movie".

So I thought Mars needs moms would be great. The first 3 teachers loved it.

The last teacher who is male (I am also male) hated it and stopped it half way though when the "boy babies" where being thrown in to the rubbish. He told me that this movie is very bad because the women throw the men in the rubbish dump and it's not good for our male students to see something so unrealistic as that.

It's the gender roles that are unrealistic. Never mind the movie has f*****g space ships and aliens living on another planet.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 20, 2016, 03:18:05 PM
So why don't we just take these AWESOME workbooks that I have made for camp, print every page in black and white(when it is essential some need to be colour), copy them at a really low quality and then tape them together at the corners instead of binding them.

F*%k sakes. Lesson learned. Winter camp will be barren and effortless.....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2016, 03:25:30 PM
Your coteacher may have done you a favour MataHari. The lack of colour sucks, but if your school, like mine, lacks a lever arm stapler, manual binding with whatever is on hand can be a difficult process. I've come out of it with bloody fingers most times.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: orionchocopie on July 20, 2016, 03:29:19 PM
I bought my own lever arm stapler for school.  I allow no-one else to use it, and my fingers remain un-lacerated.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 20, 2016, 03:29:40 PM
Your coteacher may have done you a favour MataHari. The lack of colour sucks, but if your school, like mine, lacks a lever arm stapler, manual binding with whatever is on hand can be a difficult process. I've come out of it with bloody fingers most times.

... but we have a binding machine thingy and they aren't very thick  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 20, 2016, 03:32:33 PM
Ugh I'm so angry and I know this might be a strong response because I'm tired of a bunch of things right now but  :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

I was trying to come up with a way to get the students to yell and swear less in class. I decided to do a point system for every single class and the class with the most points will get some kind of prize at the end. I mentioned this to the head teacher and she said it sounded good, except that for the really poorly behaved students they'll just become discouraged because they know they can't reach the top and act out even more. I thought, ok, so maybe the lowest-ranked team can have some kind of minimal punishment at the end of the year like washing all the desks or washing all the drawings and crap off the wall. I suggested it to her and she said "yeah, well, that's a nice idea but they won't do it. You don't have any power to make them do it. And even if their homeroom teacher or me tells them to do it they won't listen."

Me: "ok, then why don't I tell them there's a punishment but then just not enforce it?"
Her: "But they won't do it. they won't listen."
Me: "I know, that's why I'm saying I won't actually try to make them do it I'll just tell them to in the hopes it makes them not want to be the lowest-ranked class"
Her: "They won't listen to you, they don't care"
Me: "I'm saying.... nevermind"

I think I'll just put the points up on the board but have it be a mystery what they get or won't get. I won't tell them anything about the points system. I'll just keep it up on the board and hope that the pure motivation of not losing points keeps them at least marginally more quiet than they've been so far.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: toddingumi on July 21, 2016, 08:00:39 AM
Have asked my handler about making arrangements to use a computer lab for camp twice in the last two weeks.
Today is the last full day of class before camp and I just asked her for a third time.
Her response, "Ahhh, ok." Continues doing other shit.
F*ck em
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Lurch on July 21, 2016, 08:32:13 AM
NEIS is a complete misnomer for what it is. There is absolutely nothing nice about NEIS. It's draconian nonsense! Who on Earth needs a day-by-day record of what I do during my days off? What possible use does anyone have for this information? On top of the blatant privacy invasion is an absolutely terrible user interface straight out of 1997. Not even good 1997 either, bad 1997. Every time I'm forced to use this "service", I die a little more inside. Thank whatever-deity that my co-teacher lets me just put "personal business" in the reason-for-day-off field. She also let me omit my 4-day trip to Jeju because it would be too complicated to put it in legitimately!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 21, 2016, 08:49:13 AM
I have just been told that today we will have a meeting regarding feedback for my open classes. Given the state of my relationship with my main CT I am an absolute mess waiting to hear once again how useless I am and how everything I do is wrong. Irritates me considering that I know I will get negative feedback and yet there are waiting lists of students for my summer camps (so how awful a teacher could I possibly be?).

Knotted stomach of dread.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 21, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
My school is going to be under construction during summer vacation, so we're going to have a temporary office...in the cafeteria

Even though it's only going to be 6 days, I'm seriously, seriously dreading deskwarming. Probably I'll just sit outside and read all day or something.... so much for getting work done. I at least got permission to move my comfy desk chair to the caf, because there's NO way I'm sitting in the cafeteria chairs all day
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 21, 2016, 08:59:57 AM
NEIS is a complete misnomer for what it is. There is absolutely nothing nice about NEIS. It's draconian nonsense! Who on Earth needs a day-by-day record of what I do during my days off? What possible use does anyone have for this information? On top of the blatant privacy invasion is an absolutely terrible user interface straight out of 1997. Not even good 1997 either, bad 1997. Every time I'm forced to use this "service", I die a little more inside. Thank whatever-deity that my co-teacher lets me just put "personal business" in the reason-for-day-off field. She also let me omit my 4-day trip to Jeju because it would be too complicated to put it in legitimately!

The beauty of Korea's lumping the entire rest of the world together is that merely sticking '외국' down can sometimes suffice. Or even better, if you're not sure whether you're even leaving the country, there's this wonderful place called '해외' that also encompasses Jeju.

Best regards, a fellow citizen of the Heyway Empire.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Dave Stepz on July 21, 2016, 09:03:04 AM
I have just been told that today we will have a meeting regarding feedback for my open classes. Given the state of my relationship with my main CT I am an absolute mess waiting to hear once again how useless I am and how everything I do is wrong. Irritates me considering that I know I will get negative feedback and yet there are waiting lists of students for my summer camps (so how awful a teacher could I possibly be?).

Knotted stomach of dread.

...therefore don't let it get to you.  There has to be some feedback.  Just nod and then forget about it.  A couple of years back I had a 'special' co-teacher who was hopeless at everything.  It was a case of 'the lights are on but no one is home' situation.  I just couldn't stomach conversation with her because she'd come out with things like 'wow, your English is really good'  :cry: I had to endure eight months of it, but feel stronger because of it.  I am sure your open class was great, so don't let some negative comments from someone whose opinion you don't value get to you.  Whenever I had bad times I would concentrate on my students as they always found a way to make me happy, which is essentially why we are here, to teach them.  You have full classes for summer camp, so that means a lot.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 21, 2016, 09:15:22 AM
Why must there be references to all things Korean in the textbooks? Future tense with a vacation theme. Where will you go? What will you do?/I will X.

I will go to Busan by train. I will go to the Busan Sea festival and eat sushi (hoe).

I will go to Jeonju by bus. I will see the hanok village and eat bibimbap.

Don't the kids get enough crap about their own culture in EVERY OTHER class they have? The English class is the perfect place to introduce stuff that isn't Korean.

I learned a lot about French culture in my French classes. We didn't focus on Toronto shit, we learned about the language we were learning.   
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 21, 2016, 09:23:43 AM
It's also a poor choice of context. Its one thing to not get into the nitty gritty of nuance with the students, but at least proof the books so they can lead by example with natural contexts!

The sixth grade book we use actually has one chapter where the videos get so deep into the Korean heritage stuff that they forgot to actually include any of the target language whatsoever.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: toddingumi on July 21, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
Me: Did you order the materials for camp?

Ct: No. The rest of the students who are not taking ur class are taking TOEIC, and they don't need any materials.

Me: ???????

One more semester.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on July 21, 2016, 09:40:28 AM
Why must there be references to all things Korean in the textbooks? Future tense with a vacation theme. Where will you go? What will you do?/I will X.

I will go to Busan by train. I will go to the Busan Sea festival and eat sushi (hoe).
...
...
...
I learned a lot about French culture in my French classes. We didn't focus on Toronto shit, we learned about the language we were learning.
To be fair, the train ride to Busan is so awesome that there's a movie  (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5700672/)coming out about it that I'm definitely planning on watching!

Also, I remember that when I was young(er) my French textbooks featured a group of four music playing aliens (Zip,Zap, Zop, and Zoup) who crash landed in a French speaking city. For three entire years, we followed their crazy French speaking shenanigans as they learned about their new home.
Talk about authenticity!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 21, 2016, 09:42:41 AM
Why must there be references to all things Korean in the textbooks? Future tense with a vacation theme. Where will you go? What will you do?/I will X.

I will go to Busan by train. I will go to the Busan Sea festival and eat sushi (hoe).

I will go to Jeonju by bus. I will see the hanok village and eat bibimbap.

Don't the kids get enough crap about their own culture in EVERY OTHER class they have? The English class is the perfect place to introduce stuff that isn't Korean.

I learned a lot about French culture in my French classes. We didn't focus on Toronto shit, we learned about the language we were learning.

Are you using Daekyo? :laugh: "How do you say 'Hello' in Korean?" ... Don't you already know how to say that? "Do you know about 'hangwa'? It's a traditional korean cookie." ... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: west coast tatterdemalion on July 21, 2016, 09:48:33 AM
Even during the week..you can't escape the lack of etiquette in supermarkets here. So, the aisle is busy and jammed with carts. I move my out of the way so that this beetch can go(we were facing each other). And what does she do? She decides to take one of the samples and block the aisle with her cart and making me just wait for her to finish. You are welcome, beetch.  Damn...idiots.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 21, 2016, 09:49:17 AM
Are you using Daekyo? :laugh: "How do you say 'Hello' in Korean?" ... Don't you already know how to say that? "Do you know about 'hangwa'? It's a traditional korean cookie." ... :rolleyes:

"We say ann yawng."

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 21, 2016, 09:54:07 AM
Why must there be references to all things Korean in the textbooks? Future tense with a vacation theme. Where will you go? What will you do?/I will X.

I will go to Busan by train. I will go to the Busan Sea festival and eat sushi (hoe).

I will go to Jeonju by bus. I will see the hanok village and eat bibimbap.

Don't the kids get enough crap about their own culture in EVERY OTHER class they have? The English class is the perfect place to introduce stuff that isn't Korean.

I learned a lot about French culture in my French classes. We didn't focus on Toronto shit, we learned about the language we were learning.
For the "Help Yourself" lesson in 5th grade my co wanted to dedicate a class to learning about traditional Korean food. Managed to steer her away from that thankfully.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 21, 2016, 10:35:58 AM
I hate people who don't listen.

I gave an exact and detailed list of exactly what I needed for camp including snacks, drinks and materials for all the students. Literally down to the exact flavor.

I do have some new mini-chalkboards though. Which I never asked for. But no chalk in the school or chalkboard erasers (all whiteboards here), And some files. Which I never asked for. And I somehow have to make 25 kids drink;
240 juice boxes (10 packs of 24 - which I never asked for),
16L of OJ (8 2Ls- I asked for 16 of them) and
24L of coke (I asked for half that) in a span of 10 days.

I don't hand out candy. Never have and never will. I have three massive boxes of candy. I don't do prizes.

I was told no budget for the market day I like to do at the end. Too expensive. It takes about 100k won per camp. We spent easily that much on all the shit I didn't ask for. I am so excessively pissed with this lady I am restraining myself from smashing her head against a desk.

But in the end, we did manage to get a 1000 won bag of chopsticks. That was possible. I had to steal the rest from all the teachers hidden stores throughout the school. Same for plastic spoons.

Edit: And with the last little bit of remaining budget we bought roll cakes for the office. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 21, 2016, 10:46:01 AM
I have just been told that today we will have a meeting regarding feedback for my open classes. Given the state of my relationship with my main CT I am an absolute mess waiting to hear once again how useless I am and how everything I do is wrong. Irritates me considering that I know I will get negative feedback and yet there are waiting lists of students for my summer camps (so how awful a teacher could I possibly be?).

Knotted stomach of dread.

...therefore don't let it get to you.  There has to be some feedback.  Just nod and then forget about it.  A couple of years back I had a 'special' co-teacher who was hopeless at everything.  It was a case of 'the lights are on but no one is home' situation.  I just couldn't stomach conversation with her because she'd come out with things like 'wow, your English is really good'  :cry: I had to endure eight months of it, but feel stronger because of it.  I am sure your open class was great, so don't let some negative comments from someone whose opinion you don't value get to you.  Whenever I had bad times I would concentrate on my students as they always found a way to make me happy, which is essentially why we are here, to teach them.  You have full classes for summer camp, so that means a lot.

Thanks for this. Calmed me down a bit looking from this perspective.

To update, my CT was translating and showing only negative comments, (parents want more homework, less homework, more talking, less talking, a shuttle bus???) just the usual parent things. Then another English teacher started going through the positive comments. Those were great. Some great constructive criticism and really great comments all round, , and so my CT then started changing her tune. Also we have record applications for the centre and have had to add 2 classes, which my CT has to teach - wakakakakakaka wakakakakaka This made me so happy because now she has to actually do work wakakakaka.

*drops the mic "Booya"
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 21, 2016, 10:46:14 AM
Are you using Daekyo? :laugh: "How do you say 'Hello' in Korean?" ... Don't you already know how to say that? "Do you know about 'hangwa'? It's a traditional korean cookie." ... :rolleyes:

"We say ann yawng."


Oh man. That book is so bad.

I hate it. I'm sure all the books are like this, but the conversations included in the book are also so awkward. For the grade 5 "What Time Do You Go To Bed?" lesson, they include the sentences "Wow! You're an early bird!" and "You go to bed too late. You're a night owl." ............... *cringe*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 21, 2016, 10:46:31 AM
Relationships are the worst.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 21, 2016, 10:48:14 AM
To update, my CT was translating and showing only negative comments, (parents want more homework, less homework, more talking, less talking, a shuttle bus???) just the usual parent things. Then another English teacher started going through the positive comments. Those were great. Some great constructive criticism and really great comments all round, , and so my CT then started changing her tune. Also we have record applications for the centre and have had to add 2 classes, which my CT has to teach - wakakakakakaka wakakakakaka This made me so happy because now she has to actually do work wakakakaka.

*drops the mic "Booya"

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I actually chuckled at that. I'm glad something went your way, but that laugh. :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 21, 2016, 10:48:35 AM
Relationships are the worst.

 :sad: What happened?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: devsterl on July 21, 2016, 11:02:16 AM
To update, my CT was translating and showing only negative comments, (parents want more homework, less homework, more talking, less talking, a shuttle bus???) just the usual parent things. Then another English teacher started going through the positive comments. Those were great. Some great constructive criticism and really great comments all round, , and so my CT then started changing her tune. Also we have record applications for the centre and have had to add 2 classes, which my CT has to teach - wakakakakakaka wakakakakaka This made me so happy because now she has to actually do work wakakakaka.

*drops the mic "Booya"

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I actually chuckled at that. I'm glad something went your way, but that laugh. :laugh:

I instantly thought of the Waka Waka song by Shakira when  first read it  ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 21, 2016, 12:43:01 PM
Me: "Alright, time to watch this movie so I can decide which parts of the government-supplied worksheets to include and which to take away."
Disk drive: *doesn't work*

My coteacher's response was just "oh, it doesn't work?" and then she wandered off to do something else.

I know I could borrow the DVD, but I have several big problems. 1. my personal computer doesn't have a disk drive. 2. even if my computer had a disk drive, the sound doesn't work. So it's completely impossible for me to watch this movie.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 21, 2016, 12:44:21 PM
Me: "Alright, time to watch this movie so I can decide which parts of the government-supplied worksheets to include and which to take away."
Disk drive: *doesn't work*

My coteacher's response was just "oh, it doesn't work?" and then she wandered off to do something else.

I know I could borrow the DVD, but I have several big problems. 1. my personal computer doesn't have a disk drive. 2. even if my computer had a disk drive, the sound doesn't work. So it's completely impossible for me to watch this movie.

omg nvm coteacher to the rescue. She happened to have the movie on her usb and transferred it to my computer.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 21, 2016, 02:15:16 PM
Relationships are the worst.

 :sad: What happened?

I feel like none of the foreigners here are looking for anything serious.  Except me.  I guess I'm just crazy?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 21, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
Also I hope the ferry bringing EPIK teachers to dokdo sinks.  Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 21, 2016, 02:43:32 PM
Also I hope the ferry bringing EPIK teachers to dokdo sinks.  Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

aren't you a delight
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 21, 2016, 03:26:56 PM
Relationships are the worst.

 :sad: What happened?

I feel like none of the foreigners here are looking for anything serious.  Except me.  I guess I'm just crazy?

I think unless you end up meeting someone from the same city as you, or a place that you're otherwise familiar with, there's eventually going to be a point where the awkward "your city, mine or split?" conversation comes up. It's not just an intercultural dating issue and I wouldn't blame anyone who goes out of their way to avoid it. Times are tough enough as it is, with people regularly relocating for work. I suspect a lot of people here just know on some level things won't work or don't want to limit their options post-Korea? Makes me wonder how often people leave Korea specifically to access a more stable dating pool in an area where they could conceivably settle if things ever got serious.

Well, its almost time to clock off and no matter where you are in Korea, there's a GS, CU or 7 Bar somewhere on your street and it sounds like they could use your patronage about now. Or you go download and play Passage (http://hcsoftware.sourceforge.net/passage/) and weep. Either way, commiserations.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 21, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
Also I hope the ferry bringing EPIK teachers to dokdo sinks.  Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

I'm sorry you are hurting  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JNM on July 21, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
I think unless you end up meeting someone from the same city as you, or a place that you're otherwise familiar with, there's eventually going to be a point where the awkward "your city, mine or split?" conversation comes up.

My wife and I lived in different provinces (in Canada) when we started dating.  We are both professionals in different industries.

We had that conversation, but the option we went with was "move somewhere where we can both work".  We are both nomadic by nature, so it has worked.

12 year, 6 cities/towns, and 2 countries later, we are doing ok!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 21, 2016, 04:04:32 PM
Relationships are the worst.

 :sad: What happened?

I feel like none of the foreigners here are looking for anything serious.  Except me.  I guess I'm just crazy?

I can't remember if it was you or krissyboo that broke up recently, but if it makes you feel better, my relationship of about four years ended a little while ago because he couldn't handle the distance anymore. I refuse to see anyone until I go back home now for that reason so maybe that's what everyone else is thinking, too. :sad: It really sucks, but I think that's (unfortunately) one of the sacrifices that many, not all obviously, people make when they choose to go abroad. You're not crazy for wanting something more serious; it's what I want for myself, as well. Unfortunately, for me, it's just not happening in Korea.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 21, 2016, 04:07:16 PM
Speaking of relationships, I wish my school would stop trying to set me up on a blind date. They mean well, and I appreciate that, but jesus, it's only been a few months versus four years. I'm not willing to meet anyone just yet, and like I mentioned in my previous post, I have no intention of meeting anyone while I'm in Korea.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 21, 2016, 07:19:26 PM
Also I hope the ferry bringing EPIK teachers to dokdo sinks.  Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

Are you kidding me? Why woukd you wish that??

It won't sink and I am going to have a great time. In the off chance that this does happen, I will haunt you forever...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 22, 2016, 09:05:47 AM
Three months ago I was told there was no budget to pay a teacher to teach camp with me. I was so unbelievably happy.

I found out today that this hasn't been true for about 2.5 months but no one bothered to tell me. I am now running over the lesson plans and materials the Friday before my Monday camp, materials that have been planned and made for 3 months now, and my one CT is complaining that she doesn't like XY or Z and it needs to be changed.

I politely told her she had 3 months to read the lesson plans and it's too late to change it now.

I hate incompetence.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 22, 2016, 03:25:51 PM
Working in the office when all the electronics suddenly shut off. I immediately run into the hall-- the maintenance guy turned off the electricity in the building.

I'm still here!! Just cause everyone else left early for summer break doesn't mean I did... luckily not much damage done since Chrome restores browser tabs and I save constantly (whatever file I work on) but come on!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: reudibeat on July 25, 2016, 10:35:28 AM
Had my hopes up all last week thinking I'd have days off this week. Wrong. Deskwarming all week. *bangs head repeatedly on desk*

Only 35 days left in Korea.
35 days.
35 days.
35 days.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Lurch on July 25, 2016, 10:45:31 AM
I bet the next five pages of this thread are deskwarming complaints. Imagine how much happier your average Korean would be if they'd just learn to cut out the useless 'working' hours that everyone spends trapped in their respective workplaces doing anything but work. Longest working hours in the OECD is not something to be proud of!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: ashleynp2010 on July 25, 2016, 11:15:02 AM
Just to continue the deskwarming hatred theme.... I am now officially alone in my office for the next 4.5 hours. Just like I will be tomorrow. And the next day. And every single f-ing day for the next three weeks before I *finally* get permission to take my 8 days off.

I love my co-teacher, but I honestly almost cried when she breezed out of here with a cheery "enjoy your afternoon!" after camp ended this morning.

Ugh. Is it okay to spend my deskwarming time crying? Because I just feel like crying today.

Why can't I leave after camp ends like every other teacher in this school? I feel like I'm being punished.....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 25, 2016, 11:21:16 AM
Just to continue the deskwarming hatred theme.... I am now officially alone in my office for the next 4.5 hours. Just like I will be tomorrow. And the next day. And every single f-ing day for the next three weeks before I *finally* get permission to take my 8 days off.

I love my co-teacher, but I honestly almost cried when she breezed out of here with a cheery "enjoy your afternoon!" after camp ended this morning.

Ugh. Is it okay to spend my deskwarming time crying? Because I just feel like crying today.

Why can't I leave after camp ends like every other teacher in this school? I feel like I'm being punished.....

It could be worse. My CT breezed out after camp and then my other PITA CT showed up to work on 'camp.'

What that entails I have no idea as I organized, planned and made all the materials. Other than annoying the hell out of what I expected to be some serious workout and book reading time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: ashleynp2010 on July 25, 2016, 11:25:26 AM
Lol scratch that. I can't stay in my English office. I need to "come to the main office" if I want to use the AC.

And they're all laughing, talking, and eating. And smacking.

Three weeks. How can I do this for three weeks.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Athena on July 25, 2016, 11:25:37 AM
I've never been able to wrap my head around the whole desk warming bs. The MOE doesn't even give a good reason for it. I understand that it's because a long time ago foreigners were complaining because some people had better schools letting them have better vacations and some did not (which was petty since I've never heard of any teacher back home complaining to the government that person x has a better benefit at school z at a different school).
But let's face it, it's a waste of time and resources, and the MOE has to know that. Considering the education system is completely broke and firing off (not recontracting) NETs in different areas, you'd think they'd get some common sense and shave off costs such as the camps and wasting resources for desk warming. If they really want us to do camp, then fine, but doesn't it just make more sense to just do a standard 4 or 5 week camp between vacations and then just cut out the desk warming completely?
I'm starting to think they just force the desk warming out of spite and stubborness

(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 25, 2016, 11:30:20 AM
I've never been able to wrap my head around the whole desk warming bs. The MOE doesn't even give a good reason for it. I understand that it's because a long time ago foreigners were complaining because some people had better schools letting them have better vacations and some did not (which was petty since I've never heard of any teacher back home complaining to the government that person x has a better benefit at school z at a different school).
But let's face it, it's a waste of time and resources, and the MOE has to know that. Considering the education system is completely broke and firing off (not recontracting) NETs in different areas, you'd think they'd get some common sense and shave off costs such as the camps and wasting resources for desk warming. If they really want us to do camp, then fine, but doesn't it just make more sense to just do a standard 4 or 5 week camp between vacations and then just cut out the desk warming completely?
I'm starting to think they just force the desk warming out of spite and stubborness

Yeah, it's truly one of those things that adds nothing but negative value to one persons life while giving nothing positive to another. I could understand maybe if it was a zero sum game for the school but it's just not. Negative sum things are usually done out of spite.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on July 25, 2016, 11:39:49 AM
I've never been able to wrap my head around the whole desk warming bs. The MOE doesn't even give a good reason for it. I understand that it's because a long time ago foreigners were complaining because some people had better schools letting them have better vacations and some did not (which was petty since I've never heard of any teacher back home complaining to the government that person x has a better benefit at school z at a different school).
But let's face it, it's a waste of time and resources, and the MOE has to know that. Considering the education system is completely broke and firing off (not recontracting) NETs in different areas, you'd think they'd get some common sense and shave off costs such as the camps and wasting resources for desk warming. If they really want us to do camp, then fine, but doesn't it just make more sense to just do a standard 4 or 5 week camp between vacations and then just cut out the desk warming completely?
I'm starting to think they just force the desk warming out of spite and stubborness

(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg)
I'm not renewing and refuse to do any more desk warming. I just leave after I'm done with camp. Of course, I got told I must stay etc etc, and even that I have to ask permission from the vice principal if I want to go and eat lunch! Didn't realise I was in a prison? Either way, **** it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: antmar on July 25, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
Just wrapped up my first day of summer camp. I still feel lost...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Action Jackson on July 25, 2016, 12:23:42 PM
I bet the next five pages of this thread are deskwarming complaints. Imagine how much happier your average Korean would be if they'd just learn to cut out the useless 'working' hours that everyone spends trapped in their respective workplaces doing anything but work. Longest working hours in the OECD is not something to be proud of!!
And in couple weeks time it'll be about having to come back to Korea, starting work again, and how great life was outside of Korea.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 25, 2016, 12:27:20 PM
Just wrapped up my first day of summer camp. I still feel lost...

Me too.

 It was pretty pointless it seems. The turn out isn't so great. Oh well. The kids that did show up seemed to enjoy their time. Good thing I had a ton of games and stuff to keep them occupied.

I just dont know if I should actually be attempting to teach English at this thing.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: klx001 on July 25, 2016, 01:31:51 PM
Lol scratch that. I can't stay in my English office. I need to "come to the main office" if I want to use the AC.

And they're all laughing, talking, and eating. And smacking.

Three weeks. How can I do this for three weeks.

don't be so bitter...they probably think your lack of lip smacking is weird. lol... or if you can't beat'em, join'em. LOL. jkjk....or am i?....anyways, just try your very best to zone them out. look like you're working hard and plug in some headphones with music playing in the background and imagine you're somewhere far far away.. it helps. lol it could be worst. like no AC.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: waygook2016 on July 25, 2016, 01:35:33 PM
I think I'm going to bring my yoga mat and a copy of P90X to work tomorrow. There's no excuse for wasting this much time.

They turned off the AC anyway so.... Might as well make it count.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 25, 2016, 01:40:10 PM
They turned off the water so they can do maintenance on something, and the drilling is so loud I can't hear myself think. I'm gonna go find food and hope that they're finished by the time I come back.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pennypie on July 25, 2016, 01:59:39 PM
Just wrapped up my first day of summer camp. I still feel lost...

Me too.

 It was pretty pointless it seems. The turn out isn't so great. Oh well. The kids that did show up seemed to enjoy their time. Good thing I had a ton of games and stuff to keep them occupied.

I just dont know if I should actually be attempting to teach English at this thing.

Don't do it! They don't want to learn and you shouldn't have to teach anything more than the basics. Spin it that you're teaching through English immersion.  :laugh: Just have fun. That's all the school usually expects
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 25, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
My CoTeacher is in IDGAF mode right now.

I didnt know how bad it was until i saw underneath her desk today while i was cleaning up. It's like slowly shes becoming surrounded by a pile of empty cookie boxes and dirty socks. Is this acceptable?

I added a filter to make it look less depressing
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 25, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
I want to bash my head into a wall. Two weeks of summer camp... It will never end. :cry:



My CoTeacher is in IDGAF mode right now.

I didnt know how bad it was until i saw underneath her desk today while i was cleaning up. It's like slowly shes becoming surrounded by a pile of empty cookie boxes and dirty socks. Is this acceptable?

I added a filter to make it look less depressing

That's honestly not even that bad but LOL at the childish slippers.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: waygook2016 on July 25, 2016, 03:02:17 PM
I want to bash my head into a wall. Two weeks of summer camp... It will never end. :cry:


Three weeks. Started today. I honestly wouldn't even care if I got to go home in the afternoons.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 25, 2016, 03:04:10 PM
I want to bash my head into a wall. Two weeks of summer camp... It will never end. :cry:


Three weeks. Started today. I honestly wouldn't even care if I got to go home in the afternoons.

I would seriously question life if I had to do three weeks. I hate camp.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: boboftroy on July 25, 2016, 03:52:35 PM
My co-teacher implied that I could go home after summer camp and then I get a call at the bus stop asking where I am from the vice-principal. So incredibly pissed off right now. All she could say was 'the contract say you must be here 4 hour 30.'  >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 25, 2016, 08:29:32 PM
My co-teacher implied that I could go home after summer camp and then I get a call at the bus stop asking where I am from the vice-principal. So incredibly pissed off right now. All she could say was 'the contract say you must be here 4 hour 30.'  >:(

Next time done answer the phone

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sunflowerxoxo on July 26, 2016, 11:55:45 AM
I have a coteacher but only in title. Most times she doesn't show up. Occasionally she'll walk in for five minutes and either be on her phone, trying to take over a lesson and messing it up and confusing the kids as to why she's there, or criticizing how I'm teaching/showing something. I usually smile and "mmhmm" and ignore her but today it was like something cracked. Once or twice she's apologized for the way something had come out, saying that she didn't mean to sound harsh and I usually just think "lady, if you knew the real me I could make you cry." But we have to put on this facade, right? Because we're really just puppets.......sorry, I'm rambling.

I'm trying to explain an activity to my 3-6 summer camp and they're not getting it so I'm like ok I'll show them and explain. Here she walks in and sees they are a little confused so she starts criticizing me. "Oh, you have to explain it to them first. They don't understand." No shit sherlock. "No, you're not showing it and explaining it right." Then she gives me a suggestion and I do it to appease her. "Oh, you're not doing it right. You're confusing them. You have to say it like this. They don't understand." She starts explaining it to them in KOREAN. And I look away momentarily to pick some thing up. "Look at me, you need to pay attention to what I'm doing." Umm, excuse me?! Did you just talk to me like a child? So basically we got into an argument (unprofessional, I know  :-[) in front of them. I pretty much said what I've been wanting to. If you were actually here doing your job, we wouldn't be going through this. You come in here criticizing me when I literally ALREADY did all of your suggestions and you try to do it in english and realize they only half way get it so you start speaking korean. I wouldn't have done this activity in the first place if you hadn't told me to do it. UGGGHHH!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I know this post is too long and probably a mess but I'm really frustrated.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 26, 2016, 12:07:19 PM
I have a coteacher but only in title. Most times she doesn't show up. Occasionally she'll walk in for five minutes and either be on her phone, trying to take over a lesson and messing it up and confusing the kids as to why she's there, or criticizing how I'm teaching/showing something. I usually smile and "mmhmm" and ignore her but today it was like something cracked. Once or twice she's apologized for the way something had come out, saying that she didn't mean to sound harsh and I usually just think "lady, if you knew the real me I could make you cry." But we have to put on this facade, right? Because we're really just puppets.......sorry, I'm rambling.

I'm trying to explain an activity to my 3-6 summer camp and they're not getting it so I'm like ok I'll show them and explain. Here she walks in and sees they are a little confused so she starts criticizing me. "Oh, you have to explain it to them first. They don't understand." No shit sherlock. "No, you're not showing it and explaining it right." Then she gives me a suggestion and I do it to appease her. "Oh, you're not doing it right. You're confusing them. You have to say it like this. They don't understand." She starts explaining it to them in KOREAN. And I look away momentarily to pick some thing up. "Look at me, you need to pay attention to what I'm doing." Umm, excuse me?! Did you just talk to me like a child? So basically we got into an argument (unprofessional, I know  :-[) in front of them. I pretty much said what I've been wanting to. If you were actually here doing your job, we wouldn't be going through this. You come in here criticizing me when I literally ALREADY did all of your suggestions and you try to do it in english and realize they only half way get it so you start speaking korean. I wouldn't have done this activity in the first place if you hadn't have  told me to do it. UGGGHHH!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I know this post is too long and probably a mess but I'm really frustrated.

Ugghhhhhhh, the Korean thing drives me insane. I understand the need for it sometimes but it goes way too far sometimes. I can explain 7UP to a class of grade 3 students, it's not rocket science. I asked a grade 5 class what numbers they had pulled from the box (1-12) and I said one my Co-T would say 일번. Two --> 이번.

They're in grade 5, they know how to count to twelve. JESUS. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 26, 2016, 12:12:28 PM
I have a coteacher but only in title. Most times she doesn't show up. Occasionally she'll walk in for five minutes and either be on her phone, trying to take over a lesson and messing it up and confusing the kids as to why she's there, or criticizing how I'm teaching/showing something. I usually smile and "mmhmm" and ignore her but today it was like something cracked. Once or twice she's apologized for the way something had come out, saying that she didn't mean to sound harsh and I usually just think "lady, if you knew the real me I could make you cry." But we have to put on this facade, right? Because we're really just puppets.......sorry, I'm rambling.

I'm trying to explain an activity to my 3-6 summer camp and they're not getting it so I'm like ok I'll show them and explain. Here she walks in and sees they are a little confused so she starts criticizing me. "Oh, you have to explain it to them first. They don't understand." No shit sherlock. "No, you're not showing it and explaining it right." Then she gives me a suggestion and I do it to appease her. "Oh, you're not doing it right. You're confusing them. You have to say it like this. They don't understand." She starts explaining it to them in KOREAN. And I look away momentarily to pick some thing up. "Look at me, you need to pay attention to what I'm doing." Umm, excuse me?! Did you just talk to me like a child? So basically we got into an argument (unprofessional, I know  :-[) in front of them. I pretty much said what I've been wanting to. If you were actually here doing your job, we wouldn't be going through this. You come in here criticizing me when I literally ALREADY did all of your suggestions and you try to do it in english and realize they only half way get it so you start speaking korean. I wouldn't have done this activity in the first place if you hadn't have  told me to do it. UGGGHHH!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I know this post is too long and probably a mess but I'm really frustrated.

Ugghhhhhhh, the Korean thing drives me insane. I understand the need for it sometimes but it goes way too far sometimes. I can explain 7UP to a class of grade 3 students, it's not rocket science. I asked a grade 5 class what numbers they had pulled from the box (1-12) and I said one my Co-T would say 일번. Two --> 이번.

They're in grade 5, they know how to count to twelve. JESUS.

My elem. coT annoys me with numbers too. All of our students (grades 3 & up) know how to count to at least ten. But she insists on saying numbers in Korean.  :rolleyes: >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 26, 2016, 12:14:46 PM
I'm so stressed out and already emotionally drained from camp and the drama. The kids are great but the coteachers are making such a big deal about everything. My lessons aren't even that complex and a couple of coteachers are acting like it's the end of the world. I just wanted the kids to have fun...

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 26, 2016, 12:16:23 PM
My Co-T loves showing this video and I cringe every time I see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzw5MWr-SZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzw5MWr-SZY)

I cringe at the voice acting, I HATE THE VOICES IN THIS VIDEO. IT'S THE SAME SOUND OVER OVER AND OVER. "이이이 오우? 오우?? 오우~~~~~? I cringe at the animation. It looks like it was made in 17 frames per second. It's not fluid. It's the ugliest baby ever put to film.

I detest this video so much. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 26, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
Backstory: My CT bought a bunch of random stuff for camp. Including 10 plastic files. I typically use them for board games so the kids can write on them and I re-use the boards. I have 20 or so I've been using and cleaning for the past couple of years.

This conversation just happened with my CT;

Me: So tomorrow we're playing connect 4. they'll work in pairs get the board etc.
Her: But we only bought 10 plastic files.
Me: Nah, we're good I have mine.
Her: Yours are dirty. We only have 10 files.
Me: Okay.

Her, respectively and at an increasing volume: We only have 10 plastic files.
My responses in order.
1. Um, okay.
2. Uh...
3. ....

She just stopped talking and walked away. I'm not sure how she expects me to solve this problem for her.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 26, 2016, 12:35:52 PM
Ugghhhhhhh, the Korean thing drives me insane. I understand the need for it sometimes but it goes way too far sometimes. I can explain 7UP to a class of grade 3 students, it's not rocket science. I asked a grade 5 class what numbers they had pulled from the box (1-12) and I said one my Co-T would say 일번. Two --> 이번.

My elem. coT annoys me with numbers too. All of our students (grades 3 & up) know how to count to at least ten. But she insists on saying numbers in Korean.  :rolleyes: >:(

But then deviate from the lesson plan and try to explain a complex concept beyond where they are in their regular Korean-presented education in English?

My gripe is that there's seemingly no water in the building I'm teaching in this week yet nobody to report it to. Today I was the water bearer. Tomorrow onwards its being delegated to a new student per day. We're working around the problem, but that's besides the point: Why is there suddenly no water in the midst of summer? What happens if something more serious goes awry?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on July 26, 2016, 12:38:32 PM

I cringe at the voice acting, I HATE THE VOICES IN THIS VIDEO. IT'S THE SAME SOUND OVER OVER AND OVER. "이이이 오우? 오우?? 오우~~~~~? I cringe at the animation. It looks like it was made in 17 frames per second. It's not fluid. It's the ugliest baby ever put to film.

I detest this video so much.

One of the best rants I've ever read. I especially love the last-minute slam of the ugly baby. A+
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kimchi_mandu on July 26, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
They are doing VERY loud construction in the rooms above, next to and below mine. I can't hear myself think nevermind teach 20 grade 3s & 4s camp (without a co-teacher).

Also in my grade 5/6 camp there are hardly any kids but 4 of the 7 are just asshole boys. I cannot wait for this hell to be over and I'm on a plane getting tfo of here for a while.  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DLJL on July 26, 2016, 12:46:22 PM
Backstory: My CT bought a bunch of random stuff for camp. Including 10 plastic files. I typically use them for board games so the kids can write on them and I re-use the boards. I have 20 or so I've been using and cleaning for the past couple of years.

This conversation just happened with my CT;

Me: So tomorrow we're playing connect 4. they'll work in pairs get the board etc.
Her: But we only bought 10 plastic files.
Me: Nah, we're good I have mine.
Her: Yours are dirty. We only have 10 files.
Me: Okay.

Her, respectively and at an increasing volume: We only have 10 plastic files.
My responses in order.
1. Um, okay.
2. Uh...
3. ....

She just stopped talking and walked away. I'm not sure how she expects me to solve this problem for her.

Do you have a laminate machine? I usually laminate stuff like that then I can clean and use again forever.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sunflowerxoxo on July 26, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
My Co-T loves showing this video and I cringe every time I see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzw5MWr-SZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzw5MWr-SZY)

I cringe at the voice acting, I HATE THE VOICES IN THIS VIDEO. IT'S THE SAME SOUND OVER OVER AND OVER. "이이이 오우? 오우?? 오우~~~~~? I cringe at the animation. It looks like it was made in 17 frames per second. It's not fluid. It's the ugliest baby ever put to film.

I detest this video so much.

That's probably the ugliest cartoon baby I've ever seen  :laugh: The video creeps me out for some reason. Do the kids at least like it?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 26, 2016, 12:56:52 PM
That's probably the ugliest cartoon baby I've ever seen  :laugh: The video creeps me out for some reason. Do the kids at least like it?

The kids really love the ball gag towards the end.  :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on July 26, 2016, 01:16:20 PM
Backstory: My CT bought a bunch of random stuff for camp. Including 10 plastic files. I typically use them for board games so the kids can write on them and I re-use the boards. I have 20 or so I've been using and cleaning for the past couple of years.

This conversation just happened with my CT;

Me: So tomorrow we're playing connect 4. they'll work in pairs get the board etc.
Her: But we only bought 10 plastic files.
Me: Nah, we're good I have mine.
Her: Yours are dirty. We only have 10 files.
Me: Okay.

Her, respectively and at an increasing volume: We only have 10 plastic files.
My responses in order.
1. Um, okay.
2. Uh...
3. ....

She just stopped talking and walked away. I'm not sure how she expects me to solve this problem for her.

Do you have a laminate machine? I usually laminate stuff like that then I can clean and use again forever.

It sounds like they are already plastic and are cleanable and reusable. The co-teacher is just unhappy with some little bit of residue that's leftover after multiple uses.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DLJL on July 26, 2016, 01:35:06 PM


It sounds like they are already plastic and are cleanable and reusable. The co-teacher is just unhappy with some little bit of residue that's leftover after multiple uses.

I got that, I was just offering another way that they could make some more if they only have 10 plastic files. If there's a laminate machine with some laminate sheets lying around, which has always been the case for me, they could use that and not have to use the evil dirty plastic files that the co-teacher is averse to.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mezoti97 on July 26, 2016, 01:36:48 PM
They are doing VERY loud construction in the rooms above, next to and below mine. I can't hear myself think nevermind teach 20 grade 3s & 4s camp (without a co-teacher).

Yeah, I remember at my very first winter camp at my first public school several years ago, there was a lot of construction going on in the cafeteria -- and the cafeteria happened to be directly below the English classroom. It was very hard to teach/do the activities over all that noise.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 26, 2016, 04:47:03 PM


It sounds like they are already plastic and are cleanable and reusable. The co-teacher is just unhappy with some little bit of residue that's leftover after multiple uses.

I got that, I was just offering another way that they could make some more if they only have 10 plastic files. If there's a laminate machine with some laminate sheets lying around, which has always been the case for me, they could use that and not have to use the evil dirty plastic files that the co-teacher is averse to.

Yeah, I would do this but my camp is actually a custom English board game camp. If I laminated it I would be doing hundreds of sheets of laminate as opposed to buying 2 more clear plastic files. 

Why she thinks her problem with dirty pieces of plastic concerns me is bewildering. They won't give me the school credit cards to buy them, they don't provide them at the school (the one's I have I purchased by myself) and I'm leaving so ain't dropping another penny on this job.

I think she's pissed I didn't tell her to buy more at the time we were there but I didn't know how many kids were in my camp until Monday morning or even that a CT would be there till Friday. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on July 26, 2016, 05:29:58 PM


It sounds like they are already plastic and are cleanable and reusable. The co-teacher is just unhappy with some little bit of residue that's leftover after multiple uses.

I got that, I was just offering another way that they could make some more if they only have 10 plastic files. If there's a laminate machine with some laminate sheets lying around, which has always been the case for me, they could use that and not have to use the evil dirty plastic files that the co-teacher is averse to.
Yeah, I would do this but my camp is actually a custom English board game camp. If I laminated it I would be doing hundreds of sheets of laminate as opposed to buying 2 more clear plastic files. 

Why she thinks her problem with dirty pieces of plastic concerns me is bewildering. They won't give me the school credit cards to buy them, they don't provide them at the school (the one's I have I purchased by myself) and I'm leaving so ain't dropping another penny on this job.

I think she's pissed I didn't tell her to buy more at the time we were there but I didn't know how many kids were in my camp until Monday morning or even that a CT would be there till Friday.
This is quite odd.

Typically, students have to return a "sign-up slip" well in advance of the camp.  How or why you wouldn't have known until the first day of camp doesn't make any sense.

I will collect the slips, make groups, roll books, etc. days/sometimes weeks prior.

Again, it just doesn't seem realistic or honest to say nobody knew until the first day of camp.

I've never heard such nonsense, nor can I believe it to be true.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 26, 2016, 05:46:30 PM


It sounds like they are already plastic and are cleanable and reusable. The co-teacher is just unhappy with some little bit of residue that's leftover after multiple uses.

I got that, I was just offering another way that they could make some more if they only have 10 plastic files. If there's a laminate machine with some laminate sheets lying around, which has always been the case for me, they could use that and not have to use the evil dirty plastic files that the co-teacher is averse to.
Yeah, I would do this but my camp is actually a custom English board game camp. If I laminated it I would be doing hundreds of sheets of laminate as opposed to buying 2 more clear plastic files. 

Why she thinks her problem with dirty pieces of plastic concerns me is bewildering. They won't give me the school credit cards to buy them, they don't provide them at the school (the one's I have I purchased by myself) and I'm leaving so ain't dropping another penny on this job.

I think she's pissed I didn't tell her to buy more at the time we were there but I didn't know how many kids were in my camp until Monday morning or even that a CT would be there till Friday.
This is quite odd.

Typically, students have to return a "sign-up slip" well in advance of the camp.  How or why you wouldn't have known until the first day of camp doesn't make any sense.

I will collect the slips, make groups, roll books, etc. days/sometimes weeks prior.

Again, it just doesn't seem realistic or honest to say nobody knew until the first day of camp.

I've never heard such nonsense, nor can I believe it to be true.

To clarify. I asked and was told the same as last year. No lists were given as they 'weren't ready yet' until the Monday morning. (I'll assume late Friday.)

Last year my two camp sections had 14 and 18. I split the difference and assumed 16. Each section this year has 24. Pair games require 12 plastic sheets. We bought 10. I have 20 ready to go but whatever.

Collecting sheets, organizing lists etc. is not my job. I knew most of the kids who were coming because they told me beforehand. I wasn't doing a head count though.

This lady couldn't find her way out of a 1 door room though. It's not all that surprising.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on July 26, 2016, 05:56:23 PM


It sounds like they are already plastic and are cleanable and reusable. The co-teacher is just unhappy with some little bit of residue that's leftover after multiple uses.

I got that, I was just offering another way that they could make some more if they only have 10 plastic files. If there's a laminate machine with some laminate sheets lying around, which has always been the case for me, they could use that and not have to use the evil dirty plastic files that the co-teacher is averse to.
Yeah, I would do this but my camp is actually a custom English board game camp. If I laminated it I would be doing hundreds of sheets of laminate as opposed to buying 2 more clear plastic files. 

Why she thinks her problem with dirty pieces of plastic concerns me is bewildering. They won't give me the school credit cards to buy them, they don't provide them at the school (the one's I have I purchased by myself) and I'm leaving so ain't dropping another penny on this job.

I think she's pissed I didn't tell her to buy more at the time we were there but I didn't know how many kids were in my camp until Monday morning or even that a CT would be there till Friday.
This is quite odd.

Typically, students have to return a "sign-up slip" well in advance of the camp.  How or why you wouldn't have known until the first day of camp doesn't make any sense.

I will collect the slips, make groups, roll books, etc. days/sometimes weeks prior.

Again, it just doesn't seem realistic or honest to say nobody knew until the first day of camp.

I've never heard such nonsense, nor can I believe it to be true.

To clarify. I asked and was told the same as last year. No lists were given as they 'weren't ready yet' until the Monday morning. (I'll assume late Friday.)

Last year my two camp sections had 14 and 18. I split the difference and assumed 16. Each section this year has 24. Pair games require 12 plastic sheets. We bought 10. I have 20 ready to go but whatever.

Collecting sheets, organizing lists etc. is not my job. I knew most of the kids who were coming because they told me beforehand. I wasn't doing a head count though.

This lady couldn't find her way out of a 1 door room though. It's not all that surprising.
Thanks for clarifying.

It was known, but she just didn't seem concerned with providing you with the information.

If I had a coteacher like that, Uffdah...

Hang tough.  It will be over before you know it ;)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: taeyang on July 26, 2016, 06:59:59 PM
Just wrapped up my first day of summer camp. I still feel lost...

Me too.

 It was pretty pointless it seems. The turn out isn't so great. Oh well. The kids that did show up seemed to enjoy their time. Good thing I had a ton of games and stuff to keep them occupied.

I just dont know if I should actually be attempting to teach English at this thing.

this is the unspoken rule of camp: don't try to teach.

nobody wants to be there, so the resentment is already apparent. that being said, there are definitely exceptions. i had a handful of amazing camp days that usually involved a big activity: making pancakes, a paper airplane contest, soccer, etc, but that can take time and effort which is in short supply when the heat is so excruciating.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on July 26, 2016, 07:50:03 PM
Just wrapped up my first day of summer camp. I still feel lost...

Me too.

 It was pretty pointless it seems. The turn out isn't so great. Oh well. The kids that did show up seemed to enjoy their time. Good thing I had a ton of games and stuff to keep them occupied.

I just dont know if I should actually be attempting to teach English at this thing.

this is the unspoken rule of camp: don't try to teach.

nobody wants to be there, so the resentment is already apparent. that being said, there are definitely exceptions. i had a handful of amazing camp days that usually involved a big activity: making pancakes, a paper airplane contest, soccer, etc, but that can take time and effort which is in short supply when the heat is so excruciating.

Fortunately my coT believes that camp should be a time for the students to have fun and take a break from studying. While she does say that the focus should be on students practicing English, it's easy enough to implement an English component to games and activities even if it's just simple phrases. At any rate, I'm giving instructions and directions in English (granted, with lots of gesticulations and demos) which could be considered "language immersion."

I do camps with my main middle school kids so personally I just want to facilitate fun (while giving them exposure to English and other cultures) as I know they'll soon be off to high school where they'll be stuck studying all the time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on July 27, 2016, 06:10:08 AM
My co-teacher implied that I could go home after summer camp and then I get a call at the bus stop asking where I am from the vice-principal. So incredibly pissed off right now. All she could say was 'the contract say you must be here 4 hour 30.'  >:(

This is why I never got a phone.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: denimdaze on July 27, 2016, 08:56:20 AM
My co-teacher suggested tie-dye shirts for camp.  I told her I'd never done it before.  She said that was ok, because she'd done it with a previous foreign teacher.

Today she has to leave early because her mother is very ill.  I can understand that.  I just wish it wasn't the day we decided to tie dye. 

I hope all goes well.  I'll do my best.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on July 27, 2016, 09:23:13 AM
Can't you switch things around?

We had to call an audible, due to weather, which wasn't a big deal.

Best of luck.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on July 27, 2016, 11:26:46 AM
Lots of cheating in camp class today. Sometimes it was funny, but it was more of a hassle than anything else.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 27, 2016, 11:34:03 AM
Teaching first graders for 90 minutes every day without a co teacher is...a challenge
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 27, 2016, 11:40:28 AM
"Teacher, you are old."

Hahaha, I played some music in class while my kids were making "Korean Tourism" posters.

Some hits from Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Deadmau5, VU, DFA 1979.

Teacher, play Kpop. 

NO.  :rolleyes: It's an English camp.

"You are old."

Yup.  8)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 27, 2016, 11:41:59 AM
My co-teacher suggested tie-dye shirts for camp.  I told her I'd never done it before.  She said that was ok, because she'd done it with a previous foreign teacher.

Today she has to leave early because her mother is very ill.  I can understand that.  I just wish it wasn't the day we decided to tie dye. 

I hope all goes well.  I'll do my best.

Updates? My camp just ended and I have nothing to do for hour hours so I am waiting for your response.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 27, 2016, 11:44:39 AM
"Teacher, you are old."

Hahaha, I played some music in class while my kids were making "Korean Tourism" posters.

Some hits from Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Deadmau5, VU, DFA 1979.

Teacher, play Kpop. 

NO.  :rolleyes: It's an English camp.

"You are old."

Yup.  8)

I've been playing country music before the start of every class for the past three years. Some of them still complain.

It makes me happy.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 27, 2016, 11:52:02 AM
"Teacher, you are old."

Hahaha, I played some music in class while my kids were making "Korean Tourism" posters.

Some hits from Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Deadmau5, VU, DFA 1979.

Teacher, play Kpop. 

NO.  :rolleyes: It's an English camp.

"You are old."

Yup.  8)

I've been playing country music before the start of every class for the past three years. Some of them still complain.

It makes me happy.

Nice-uh
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JNM on July 27, 2016, 11:53:36 AM
"Teacher, you are old."

Hahaha, I played some music in class while my kids were making "Korean Tourism" posters.

Some hits from Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Deadmau5, VU, DFA 1979.

Teacher, play Kpop. 

NO.  :rolleyes: It's an English camp.

"You are old."

Yup.  8)

I've been playing country music before the start of every class for the past three years. Some of them still complain.

It makes me happy.

Nice-uh
We're not happy until you're not happy.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 27, 2016, 01:08:15 PM
"Teacher, you are old."

Hahaha, I played some music in class while my kids were making "Korean Tourism" posters.

Some hits from Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Deadmau5, VU, DFA 1979.

Teacher, play Kpop. 

NO.  :rolleyes: It's an English camp.

"You are old."

Yup.  8)

Care to share any of their slogans? Odds are they're better than what we've currently got. :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on July 27, 2016, 01:13:21 PM
Care to share any of their slogans? Odds are they're better than what we've currently got. :laugh:

There were 8 posters, all of which had Namsan Tower on them with the caption "Creative Korea."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 27, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk (are we allowed to curse on here)?

Day 3 Summer camp. "MataHari teacher, we can't do any of the activities you planned for camp on Friday (morning and afternoon camps). Change it. Construction in whole school. No treasure hunt, no food make, new plan.

Movie day. That's it.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sianm on July 27, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
I'm not sure if this is common for everyone but it happens to me all the time and it's starting to get really annoying.

So if I'm sitting with a group of Korean English teachers, they will always talk to each other in Korean even though they know I don't know what I'm talking about. We are all able to speak English. I think it's really rude considering there is a common language between all of us, but they purposefully exclude me. How would they feel if the situation was reversed????

Hypothetically, if I spoke Korean and was talking to another native English speaker who also spoke Korean, and we were sitting with a Korean who didn't speak English, I would make an effort to include them and speak Korean to the other native teacher. To me it's just common courtesy! I wouldn't speak English to the other native teacher if we could both speak Korean just to be considerate of the other person with us!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on July 27, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
I'm not sure if this is common for everyone but it happens to me all the time and it's starting to get really annoying.

So if I'm sitting with a group of Korean English teachers, they will always talk to each other in Korean even though they know I don't know what I'm talking about. We are all able to speak English. I think it's really rude considering there is a common language between all of us, but they purposefully exclude me. How would they feel if the situation was reversed????

Hypothetically, if I spoke Korean and was talking to another native English speaker who also spoke Korean, and we were sitting with a Korean who didn't speak English, I would make an effort to include them and speak Korean to the other native teacher. To me it's just common courtesy! I wouldn't speak English to the other native teacher if we could both speak Korean just to be considerate of the other person with us!

Lol every single time. Even the "nice" ones barely even bother. I started viewing my cos as people to put up with rather than people I should have friendly working relationships with a long time ago.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: denimdaze on July 27, 2016, 03:59:53 PM
My co-teacher suggested tie-dye shirts for camp.  I told her I'd never done it before.  She said that was ok, because she'd done it with a previous foreign teacher.

Today she has to leave early because her mother is very ill.  I can understand that.  I just wish it wasn't the day we decided to tie dye. 

I hope all goes well.  I'll do my best.

Updates? My camp just ended and I have nothing to do for hour hours so I am waiting for your response.
It went better than I thought.  We tie dyed, but a few students didn't want to use rubber bands, they just wanted to dye their shirts.  I let them.  We left the shirts in bags on the windowsill.  The heat from the sun is supposed to help the color set.  We'll see how they turn out tomorrow.
Some students were a little nervous that my co-T wasn't there, but some of them speak English well enough that it wasn't a problem.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pennypie on July 27, 2016, 04:16:33 PM
I'm not sure if this is common for everyone but it happens to me all the time and it's starting to get really annoying.

So if I'm sitting with a group of Korean English teachers, they will always talk to each other in Korean even though they know I don't know what I'm talking about. We are all able to speak English. I think it's really rude considering there is a common language between all of us, but they purposefully exclude me. How would they feel if the situation was reversed????

Hypothetically, if I spoke Korean and was talking to another native English speaker who also spoke Korean, and we were sitting with a Korean who didn't speak English, I would make an effort to include them and speak Korean to the other native teacher. To me it's just common courtesy! I wouldn't speak English to the other native teacher if we could both speak Korean just to be considerate of the other person with us!

This happened my entire first year. I shared an office with 4 other English teachers and they didn't speak English unless it was directly to me. I took it so personally at first but don't, you'll see it happens to most people. If you are a direct kind of person then ask what they are talking about and they might get the hint.

This year i share a classroom with one young teacher and we talk all the time in English and an other teacher joins us sometimes too....so don't give up hope.  ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on July 28, 2016, 07:52:08 AM
I'm not sure if this is common for everyone but it happens to me all the time and it's starting to get really annoying.

So if I'm sitting with a group of Korean English teachers, they will always talk to each other in Korean even though they know I don't know what I'm talking about. We are all able to speak English. I think it's really rude considering there is a common language between all of us, but they purposefully exclude me. How would they feel if the situation was reversed????

Hypothetically, if I spoke Korean and was talking to another native English speaker who also spoke Korean, and we were sitting with a Korean who didn't speak English, I would make an effort to include them and speak Korean to the other native teacher. To me it's just common courtesy! I wouldn't speak English to the other native teacher if we could both speak Korean just to be considerate of the other person with us!

Happens all the time. I never take it personally but I kind of prefer for them to exclude me. I also figure that it's more taxing for them to speak English since it's not their native language and they're probably concerned about making mistakes (the horror!) so they just play it safe. No biggie.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on July 28, 2016, 11:13:00 AM
I'm not sure if this is common for everyone but it happens to me all the time and it's starting to get really annoying.

So if I'm sitting with a group of Korean English teachers, they will always talk to each other in Korean even though they know I don't know what I'm talking about. We are all able to speak English. I think it's really rude considering there is a common language between all of us, but they purposefully exclude me. How would they feel if the situation was reversed????

Hypothetically, if I spoke Korean and was talking to another native English speaker who also spoke Korean, and we were sitting with a Korean who didn't speak English, I would make an effort to include them and speak Korean to the other native teacher. To me it's just common courtesy! I wouldn't speak English to the other native teacher if we could both speak Korean just to be considerate of the other person with us!

Happens all the time. I never take it personally but I kind of prefer for them to exclude me. I also figure that it's more taxing for them to speak English since it's not their native language and they're probably concerned about making mistakes (the horror!) so they just play it safe. No biggie.

Yeah, it's best not to take it personally. If you think about it, it would be kind of strange for any foreigner in another country to demand people speak their native language when in their presence.

Not to be mean, but the onus is on you (or us) in this case to adjust to them and not the other way around.

Also, wrt to your example. As someone who is quite decent at Korean. I typically go out of my way to avoid speaking Korean when in a mixed company of foreigners and Koreans. My one buddy has a bad habit of bringing along one random Korean friend who then hinders the natural flow of an English conversation. It's an absolute PITA to feel responsible to keep some random included.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sianm on July 28, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
Yeah, it's best not to take it personally. If you think about it, it would be kind of strange for any foreigner in another country to demand people speak their native language when in their presence.

Not to be mean, but the onus is on you (or us) in this case to adjust to them and not the other way around.

Also, wrt to your example. As someone who is quite decent at Korean. I typically go out of my way to avoid speaking Korean when in a mixed company of foreigners and Koreans. My one buddy has a bad habit of bringing along one random Korean friend who then hinders the natural flow of an English conversation. It's an absolute PITA to feel responsible to keep some random included.

I meant if I was in Australia and the situation was reversed, and we all spoke the same language, I would speak that language to include the foreigner who has nobody there to support them. But I guess the rules of common decency must differ here
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mezoti97 on July 28, 2016, 02:23:29 PM
I'm not sure if this is common for everyone but it happens to me all the time and it's starting to get really annoying.

So if I'm sitting with a group of Korean English teachers, they will always talk to each other in Korean even though they know I don't know what I'm talking about. We are all able to speak English. I think it's really rude considering there is a common language between all of us, but they purposefully exclude me. How would they feel if the situation was reversed????

Hypothetically, if I spoke Korean and was talking to another native English speaker who also spoke Korean, and we were sitting with a Korean who didn't speak English, I would make an effort to include them and speak Korean to the other native teacher. To me it's just common courtesy! I wouldn't speak English to the other native teacher if we could both speak Korean just to be considerate of the other person with us!

One particular similar incident happened to me several years ago when the 3 English teachers at my then-public school decided to have a dinner 회식 with just the English teachers (so the 3 of them plus me), and they all basically ended up speaking in Korean 99% of the time during this entire dinner outing, despite that I was there (and all 3 of them had a high level of English). I was pretty bored the whole time but I actually didn't really care that much that I couldn't really participate in their conversations, that they didn't really bother to try to include me in their conversations, and that I couldn't fully understand everything they were saying, because I wasn't close to any of them, so I was pretty eager to just finish my contract, move on, and get away from them (this dinner happened shortly before summer vacation and my contract at that school ended basically right after summer vacation/once the fall semester started). So I just chalked it up to, "Okay, this is probably one of the last times I'll ever have to deal with them and spend time with them, so I'll just suck it up." So yeah, that was my attitude in that particular case. I just went through the motions of attending the dinner 회식 with them, without them ever really saying much to me and vice-versa, and that was basically it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: waygook2016 on July 28, 2016, 02:25:58 PM
There is significant construction happening at my school. The dust and particles in the air have made me violently ill... I can't go ten minutes without almost coughing to death.

I still have to deskwarm.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on July 28, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
If you're wondering what would happen, I had 4 English teachers at my school in the school office where I sit.

Normally I talk in "simplified English", but I don't when speaking to English speakers of course. Anyway the people in the office where getting angry at us, not because of volume, just because they couldn't understand enough to know what we where talking about. They knew we where talking about them.

It was amusing how they reacted, and all I can hope for is that none of them go outside of Korea!

Really though, just learn some basic Korean. You are in Korea after all.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 29, 2016, 07:53:01 AM
DAMN! My one student that signed up for summer school class just showed up. Now I have to entertain him for three hours. WHYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!??!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 29, 2016, 08:55:30 AM
DAMN! My one student that signed up for summer school class just showed up. Now I have to entertain him for three hours. WHYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!??!

 :cry: :cry: :cry: Is today the last day of the camp for that particular class at least? Or will you have to deal with him next week as well?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on July 29, 2016, 09:40:34 AM
DAMN! My one student that signed up for summer school class just showed up. Now I have to entertain him for three hours. WHYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!??!

Oh god I think I would cry. I had around 12 in mine and was still hoping no one would show up. Of course they all did.  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 29, 2016, 09:41:42 AM
DAMN! My one student that signed up for summer school class just showed up. Now I have to entertain him for three hours. WHYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!??!

the thought of this happening to me terrifies me. I have 4 kids signed up next week and if only one shows up I will genuinely tell him/her it's cancelled. I don't have a co teacher so I'm kind of calling the shots. I am not entertaining one kid for 80 minutes 5 days a week
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on July 29, 2016, 10:05:30 AM
I had one kid turn up for camp. We just played minecraft all day, and ate frozen Canadian chips from costco.

Second day the kids father brought us all sorts of snacks and stuff. It was great.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: ashleynp2010 on July 29, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
The receptionist and two random teachers who showed up to work today have spent literally the entire morning talking about me in Korean. They've included me in the conversation once.... to tell me I need to have my hair "repaired."

My hair isn't damaged. It's just unmanageable in this humidity. Ugh.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on July 29, 2016, 10:28:38 AM
The cleaning lady has a giant industrial vacuum and has of course chosen the time I have camp to vacuum the window sills outside the classroom.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JNM on July 29, 2016, 10:32:04 AM
I had one kid turn up for camp. We just played minecraft all day, and ate frozen Canadian chips from costco.

Second day the kids father brought us all sorts of snacks and stuff. It was great.

Minecraft is great!

How else can you teach kids word combinations like "Oak Wood Planks" and "Cooked Mutton".
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: grey on July 29, 2016, 10:38:51 AM
I had one kid turn up for camp. We just played minecraft all day, and ate frozen Canadian chips from costco.

Second day the kids father brought us all sorts of snacks and stuff. It was great.

Cavendish?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on July 29, 2016, 10:59:51 AM

Minecraft is great!

How else can you teach kids word combinations like "Oak Wood Planks" and "Cooked Mutton".

There wasn't any teaching going on that week for sure hahaha. Kid needed a break anyway between her 4 hagwons, and "piano" and a bunch of other controlled activities.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: antmar on July 29, 2016, 11:17:51 AM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on July 29, 2016, 11:20:36 AM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:

That's how I feel right now... except my first week isn't over yet... :cry: I still have the afternoon class for two hours. :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on July 29, 2016, 11:30:13 AM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:

That's how I feel right now... except my first week isn't over yet... :cry: I still have the afternoon class for two hours. :cry: :cry: :cry:


me too  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on July 29, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
Why do they even call it camp? It's not camp, no one is sleeping anywhere, and for the most part I'm sure the schools and parents don't really want the kids to have fun.

They really should just call them Summer school, or Winter school.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 29, 2016, 11:45:42 AM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:

That's how I feel right now... except my first week isn't over yet... :cry: I still have the afternoon class for two hours. :cry: :cry: :cry:


me too  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

me four
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: ashleynp2010 on July 29, 2016, 12:27:23 PM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:

That's how I feel right now... except my first week isn't over yet... :cry: I still have the afternoon class for two hours. :cry: :cry: :cry:


me too  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

me four

.......... I have another week of camp and then a week of advanced camp.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 29, 2016, 01:11:57 PM
Heat index of 38 and a UV Index of 9 here today,  helppppp. Melting
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 29, 2016, 01:19:42 PM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:

That's how I feel right now... except my first week isn't over yet... :cry: I still have the afternoon class for two hours. :cry: :cry: :cry:


me too  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

me four

.......... I have another week of camp and then a week of advanced camp.

WTF is advanced camp?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: ashleynp2010 on July 29, 2016, 01:24:22 PM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:

That's how I feel right now... except my first week isn't over yet... :cry: I still have the afternoon class for two hours. :cry: :cry: :cry:


me too  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

me four

.......... I have another week of camp and then a week of advanced camp.

WTF is advanced camp?

WTF is right. It's where all of the advanced (but not really, because anyone was allowed to sign up if they were willing to "work hard") 5th and 6th graders have a week of camp, basically. I don't know why it's called advanced camp. I'm supposed to lead discussions with them but they barely know how to introduce themselves.... so.... I don't know.

If I'm being honest, I think it's my school's desperate attempt at justifying deskwarming. They should still let me go home in the afternoons though. I'm teaching more than anyone I know and I also have fewer privileges. I feel like EPIK screwed me over.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Athena on July 29, 2016, 01:44:57 PM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:

That's how I feel right now... except my first week isn't over yet... :cry: I still have the afternoon class for two hours. :cry: :cry: :cry:


me too  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

me four

.......... I have another week of camp and then a week of advanced camp.

WTF is advanced camp?

WTF is right. It's where all of the advanced (but not really, because anyone was allowed to sign up if they were willing to "work hard") 5th and 6th graders have a week of camp, basically. I don't know why it's called advanced camp. I'm supposed to lead discussions with them but they barely know how to introduce themselves.... so.... I don't know.

If I'm being honest, I think it's my school's desperate attempt at justifying deskwarming. They should still let me go home in the afternoons though. I'm teaching more than anyone I know and I also have fewer privileges. I feel like EPIK screwed me over.

To be honest, it just feels like it gets worse as the years go on. Camps and desk warming were non-mandatory years back, but then made mandatory. Then they stopped paying over time for camp (except the Korean teachers still get paid over time). Then they cut out the renewal bonus recently. Funny part is that they made the application requirements stricter. Office of Education just gives 0 shits, and the fact desk warming is still mandatory despite no benefit just shows they're bitter lol
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: ashleynp2010 on July 29, 2016, 03:01:39 PM
So I survived week 1 of summer camp...but then there's next week. T____T  :sad:

That's how I feel right now... except my first week isn't over yet... :cry: I still have the afternoon class for two hours. :cry: :cry: :cry:


me too  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

me four

.......... I have another week of camp and then a week of advanced camp.

WTF is advanced camp?

WTF is right. It's where all of the advanced (but not really, because anyone was allowed to sign up if they were willing to "work hard") 5th and 6th graders have a week of camp, basically. I don't know why it's called advanced camp. I'm supposed to lead discussions with them but they barely know how to introduce themselves.... so.... I don't know.

If I'm being honest, I think it's my school's desperate attempt at justifying deskwarming. They should still let me go home in the afternoons though. I'm teaching more than anyone I know and I also have fewer privileges. I feel like EPIK screwed me over.

To be honest, it just feels like it gets worse as the years go on. Camps and desk warming were non-mandatory years back, but then made mandatory. Then they stopped paying over time for camp (except the Korean teachers still get paid over time). Then they cut out the renewal bonus recently. Funny part is that they made the application requirements stricter. Office of Education just gives 0 shits, and the fact desk warming is still mandatory despite no benefit just shows they're bitter lol

I actually asked my co-teacher about going home after lunch because there is literally.... nothing.... to.... do. And *horrible* construction at my school. And she told me I couldn't because the DMOE sent out a "memo" about us staying until 4:30.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on July 29, 2016, 03:02:29 PM
I JUST WANNA GO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Paul on July 29, 2016, 03:13:07 PM
Why do they even call it camp? It's not camp, no one is sleeping anywhere, and for the most part I'm sure the schools and parents don't really want the kids to have fun.

They really should just call them Summer school, or Winter school.

Apparently, once upon a time, well before I started, there were actual camps. The camping element then got cut but the name stuck in Korean because words don't have meanings.

Oh yeah, rant: Phone battery, Korean customs, grr...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on July 29, 2016, 10:10:04 PM
To be honest, it just feels like it gets worse as the years go on. Camps and desk warming were non-mandatory years back, but then made mandatory. Then they stopped paying over time for camp (except the Korean teachers still get paid over time). Then they cut out the renewal bonus recently. Funny part is that they made the application requirements stricter. Office of Education just gives 0 shits, and the fact desk warming is still mandatory despite no benefit just shows they're bitter lol

They're riding on the coattails of their old reputation.  It'll only last so long. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 01, 2016, 08:54:44 AM
Kids didn't understand a simple part of my game because my coteacher that is here to supervise was in a different room the whole time.  They actually said "We need Korean teacher".  No kidding.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: antmar on August 01, 2016, 08:59:03 AM
Well here goes, week 2 of summer camp.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on August 01, 2016, 09:35:42 AM
Kids didn't understand a simple part of my game because my coteacher that is here to supervise was in a different room the whole time.  They actually said "We need Korean teacher".  No kidding.

There aren't even any Korean teachers currently at my school and I've been teaching 1st grade for the very first time without a coteacher. It has been such a struggle. I feel like they've taught me more Korean than I have taught them English  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: FreddyPrinceWilliam on August 01, 2016, 10:17:19 AM
One of my second grader's parents is in the room right now with a toddler. I don't know what to do..... ignore them?? The kids are just coloring and watching Inside Out. I feel like I should be teaching or something. She's just hovering around her child watching her color.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 01, 2016, 11:06:41 AM
Week 2 of camp. Advanced Grade 3's and 4's done for the day. CT translated EVERY god damn thing I said and also explained everything in the longest detail in Korean. I would say a  two word sentence "cut here" (show them), then she spends what seems like an eternity explaining "cut here" in Korean. I had to tell her to stop. Just stop. It is English camp. I think they understand "cut" and "glue". That is all they had to know today. Why are you translating and explaining everything in Korean over and over.

**** sakes.

And also, common sense. There is none. None. Yes it is instant super glue, I have explained this. Why would you hold your finger to the glue. It is to be used to put two surfaces together..... *so much shock and horror at finger glued to paper, more freaking out as the glue heats up (I stifled a giggle, but it appeared as a smug wtf across my face)..... why didn't you just use the paper glue, or the craft glue, or the glue stick... my god there are 4 other types of glue in the classroom, you choose the super glue.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on August 01, 2016, 11:48:31 AM
I tried to make slime over the weekend to see if it would work in camp, and it worked really well  for me, but the shop didn't have enough of the glue that I used, so I just got the bottles next to it figuring they would be basically the same thing. Tried it in class today and it failed miserably. Serves me right for not testing the other glue I suppose.
Also only 4 of 10 3rd graders showed up. Why did their parents sign them up if they weren't even going to come? Those spots could have gone to the students that wanted to be here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on August 01, 2016, 03:37:41 PM
My turn!

Camp sucks, but it's my fault for trying to take it seriously when no one else does. I feel a lot of pressure from my co-teachers to make it educational when they ask me about my plans, so then I just end up with useless PPTs and packets and rowdy students (the ones who show up anyway) whose parents don't even bother bringing them to school on time.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: LaChaca on August 01, 2016, 04:11:30 PM
What do you do when a co-teacher accuses you of things that aren't true?

She'll say that I said "XYZ" when I NEVER said them...

Annoying is starting to become an understatement. I understand that I need to adopt to other's idiosyncrasies but this behavior is borderline disrespectful....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on August 01, 2016, 08:49:37 PM
LaChaca I think a lot of Korean coteachers have mental issues that cause them to accuse people of really odd and strange things. I'm not sure why it seems so common here.

There just seems to be a very lose grip on reality here by people who are able to convince them self that their own lies are true.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on August 02, 2016, 07:40:55 AM
What do you do when a co-teacher accuses you of things that aren't true?

She'll say that I said "XYZ" when I NEVER said them...

Annoying is starting to become an understatement. I understand that I need to adopt to other's idiosyncrasies but this behavior is borderline disrespectful....

It depends what they are saying. If its just water off a ducks back let it slide. It also depends on the individual. If they are well respected it will be worse then if everyone else knows they are cray cray.

If it ever becomes an issue bring in a third party and explain  that ths individual is misunderstanding what you said. That should be sufficiently embarrassing to make them never mention you again.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 02, 2016, 07:51:49 AM
What do you do when a co-teacher accuses you of things that aren't true?

She'll say that I said "XYZ" when I NEVER said them...

Annoying is starting to become an understatement. I understand that I need to adopt to other's idiosyncrasies but this behavior is borderline disrespectful....

It depends what they are saying. If its just water off a ducks back let it slide. It also depends on the individual. If they are well respected it will be worse then if everyone else knows they are cray cray.

If it ever becomes an issue bring in a third party and explain  that ths individual is misunderstanding what you said. That should be sufficiently embarrassing to make them never mention you again.

I have this quite often. I put it down to the need to protect their own asses. The 'misunderstanding' excuse is often used as the reasoning, and I too have now learned to just use it too. There is just always a lot of 'misunderstanding'. I hear you though, and yes, it is just very annoying and it is not always big things, just an accumulation of a lot of small things. I never said that, you never said that, I told you xxx, You never told me xxx etc... I get it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: robin_teacher on August 02, 2016, 10:09:07 AM
I wrote a long screed about the various issues with camp, which was actually my best ever, before settling on this key tidbit: I often suspect that my colleagues inability to communicate effectively in English is projected onto me as a personal failure for which I bear the ultimate responsibility.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 02, 2016, 10:15:29 AM
I wrote a long screed about the various issues with camp, which was actually my best ever, before settling on this key tidbit: I often suspect that my colleagues inability to communicate effectively in English is projected onto me as a personal failure for which I bear the ultimate responsibility.

yes.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: LaChaca on August 02, 2016, 11:27:41 AM
What do you do when a co-teacher accuses you of things that aren't true?

She'll say that I said "XYZ" when I NEVER said them...

Annoying is starting to become an understatement. I understand that I need to adopt to other's idiosyncrasies but this behavior is borderline disrespectful....

It depends what they are saying. If its just water off a ducks back let it slide. It also depends on the individual. If they are well respected it will be worse then if everyone else knows they are cray cray.

If it ever becomes an issue bring in a third party and explain  that ths individual is misunderstanding what you said. That should be sufficiently embarrassing to make them never mention you again.

This person has an advanced level of English so she can't misinterpret my words. She'll do this about things that need to get done. For example:

Me: "xx, I'm doing the lesson plan for Class A. How many units in the reading book do they need to finish this session?"
Her: I'll do it because I need to figure it out.
A week later...
Her (opens up lesson plan and sees that there are no reading pages on lesson plan)
"You said you were going to put the pages in?"
Me: "no, I asked you how many units they needed to finish. You said, 'I'll do it bcuz I need to figure it out."

WTF...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 02, 2016, 12:23:38 PM
The thread on the main page that says "Plans for the future" freaks me out so much I don't even like looking at the title, let alone the thought of reading it.  If that was something on my facebook feed I would've hidden it the second I saw it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 02, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
The thread on the main page that says "Plans for the future" freaks me out so much I don't even like looking at the title, let alone the thought of reading it.  If that was something on my facebook feed I would've hidden it the second I saw it.

OMG I had the same reaction! I immediately went into a panic response of  "Stop stop I don't know, what's with all the pressure!!!"
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on August 02, 2016, 02:03:36 PM
The thread on the main page that says "Plans for the future" freaks me out so much I don't even like looking at the title, let alone the thought of reading it.  If that was something on my facebook feed I would've hidden it the second I saw it.

Same. I'm doomed.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on August 02, 2016, 02:20:11 PM
What do you do when a co-teacher accuses you of things that aren't true?

She'll say that I said "XYZ" when I NEVER said them...

Annoying is starting to become an understatement. I understand that I need to adopt to other's idiosyncrasies but this behavior is borderline disrespectful....

It depends what they are saying. If its just water off a ducks back let it slide. It also depends on the individual. If they are well respected it will be worse then if everyone else knows they are cray cray.

If it ever becomes an issue bring in a third party and explain  that ths individual is misunderstanding what you said. That should be sufficiently embarrassing to make them never mention you again.

This person has an advanced level of English so she can't misinterpret my words. She'll do this about things that need to get done. For example:

Me: "xx, I'm doing the lesson plan for Class A. How many units in the reading book do they need to finish this session?"
Her: I'll do it because I need to figure it out.
A week later...
Her (opens up lesson plan and sees that there are no reading pages on lesson plan)
"You said you were going to put the pages in?"
Me: "no, I asked you how many units they needed to finish. You said, 'I'll do it bcuz I need to figure it out."

WTF...

If there is a miscommunication while using English it is always their fault. No one will say it but everyone and their dog knows it. Hence the third party I mentioned causing embarrassment.

A potential solution to your problem. Do all planning and discussions through messenger. That way there is a back up of what they said. I have three CTs and we sit in a square. I could turn around and tap them on the soldier to discuss lesson plans. I always use messenger. I've also never had a problem like you described. (I of course only use it for planning. Not small talk or personal stuff.)

It is considered mildly rude though. But so is defending yourself against others incompetence. Take your pick.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: LaChaca on August 02, 2016, 02:36:37 PM
What do you do when a co-teacher accuses you of things that aren't true?

She'll say that I said "XYZ" when I NEVER said them...

Annoying is starting to become an understatement. I understand that I need to adopt to other's idiosyncrasies but this behavior is borderline disrespectful....

It depends what they are saying. If its just water off a ducks back let it slide. It also depends on the individual. If they are well respected it will be worse then if everyone else knows they are cray cray.

If it ever becomes an issue bring in a third party and explain  that ths individual is misunderstanding what you said. That should be sufficiently embarrassing to make them never mention you again.

This person has an advanced level of English so she can't misinterpret my words. She'll do this about things that need to get done. For example:

Me: "xx, I'm doing the lesson plan for Class A. How many units in the reading book do they need to finish this session?"
Her: I'll do it because I need to figure it out.
A week later...
Her (opens up lesson plan and sees that there are no reading pages on lesson plan)
"You said you were going to put the pages in?"
Me: "no, I asked you how many units they needed to finish. You said, 'I'll do it bcuz I need to figure it out."

WTF...

If there is a miscommunication while using English it is always their fault. No one will say it but everyone and their dog knows it. Hence the third party I mentioned causing embarrassment.

A potential solution to your problem. Do all planning and discussions through messenger. That way there is a back up of what they said. I have three CTs and we sit in a square. I could turn around and tap them on the soldier to discuss lesson plans. I always use messenger. I've also never had a problem like you described. (I of course only use it for planning. Not small talk or personal stuff.)

It is considered mildly rude though. But so is defending yourself against others incompetence. Take your pick.

Although I'm a fan of your messenger idea, my school doesn't have it and they're not welcoming to "new ideas."

Question: can the situation (re:lesson plan) I posted above be seen as miscommunication? I would like to assume that a person has good intentions but how can a person go from "I'll do it to 'you said you were going to do it?'"
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: emmas28 on August 02, 2016, 02:48:45 PM
 >:(It's too hot. The fan keeps blowing my papers and hair everywhere (even when tied up). The sight of bugs is making my skin crawl BUT 1 more hour and then vacation starts!  8)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 02, 2016, 03:29:50 PM
The thread on the main page that says "Plans for the future" freaks me out so much I don't even like looking at the title, let alone the thought of reading it.  If that was something on my facebook feed I would've hidden it the second I saw it.

OMG I had the same reaction! I immediately went into a panic response of  "Stop stop I don't know, what's with all the pressure!!!"
That actually makes me feel so much better.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on August 02, 2016, 03:44:56 PM
What do you do when a co-teacher accuses you of things that aren't true?

She'll say that I said "XYZ" when I NEVER said them...

Annoying is starting to become an understatement. I understand that I need to adopt to other's idiosyncrasies but this behavior is borderline disrespectful....

It depends what they are saying. If its just water off a ducks back let it slide. It also depends on the individual. If they are well respected it will be worse then if everyone else knows they are cray cray.

If it ever becomes an issue bring in a third party and explain  that ths individual is misunderstanding what you said. That should be sufficiently embarrassing to make them never mention you again.

This person has an advanced level of English so she can't misinterpret my words. She'll do this about things that need to get done. For example:

Me: "xx, I'm doing the lesson plan for Class A. How many units in the reading book do they need to finish this session?"
Her: I'll do it because I need to figure it out.
A week later...
Her (opens up lesson plan and sees that there are no reading pages on lesson plan)
"You said you were going to put the pages in?"
Me: "no, I asked you how many units they needed to finish. You said, 'I'll do it bcuz I need to figure it out."

WTF...

If there is a miscommunication while using English it is always their fault. No one will say it but everyone and their dog knows it. Hence the third party I mentioned causing embarrassment.

A potential solution to your problem. Do all planning and discussions through messenger. That way there is a back up of what they said. I have three CTs and we sit in a square. I could turn around and tap them on the soldier to discuss lesson plans. I always use messenger. I've also never had a problem like you described. (I of course only use it for planning. Not small talk or personal stuff.)

It is considered mildly rude though. But so is defending yourself against others incompetence. Take your pick.

Although I'm a fan of your messenger idea, my school doesn't have it and they're not welcoming to "new ideas."

Question: can the situation (re:lesson plan) I posted above be seen as miscommunication? I would like to assume that a person has good intentions but how can a person go from "I'll do it to 'you said you were going to do it?'"

As a general rule I stick to;

Once is never. Twice is always.

If it happened once meh whatever. Benefit of the doubt. If it happens twice (or more) you should maintain constant vigilance with that individual.

As for the exact words she used. She could have meant she would look into it and you should get back to her later. (Ie. She meant she had no idea not that she would do it.)

Don't sweat it too much though.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: LaChaca on August 02, 2016, 03:53:56 PM
What do you do when a co-teacher accuses you of things that aren't true?

She'll say that I said "XYZ" when I NEVER said them...

Annoying is starting to become an understatement. I understand that I need to adopt to other's idiosyncrasies but this behavior is borderline disrespectful....

It depends what they are saying. If its just water off a ducks back let it slide. It also depends on the individual. If they are well respected it will be worse then if everyone else knows they are cray cray.

If it ever becomes an issue bring in a third party and explain  that ths individual is misunderstanding what you said. That should be sufficiently embarrassing to make them never mention you again.

This person has an advanced level of English so she can't misinterpret my words. She'll do this about things that need to get done. For example:

Me: "xx, I'm doing the lesson plan for Class A. How many units in the reading book do they need to finish this session?"
Her: I'll do it because I need to figure it out.
A week later...
Her (opens up lesson plan and sees that there are no reading pages on lesson plan)
"You said you were going to put the pages in?"
Me: "no, I asked you how many units they needed to finish. You said, 'I'll do it bcuz I need to figure it out."

WTF...

If there is a miscommunication while using English it is always their fault. No one will say it but everyone and their dog knows it. Hence the third party I mentioned causing embarrassment.

A potential solution to your problem. Do all planning and discussions through messenger. That way there is a back up of what they said. I have three CTs and we sit in a square. I could turn around and tap them on the soldier to discuss lesson plans. I always use messenger. I've also never had a problem like you described. (I of course only use it for planning. Not small talk or personal stuff.)

It is considered mildly rude though. But so is defending yourself against others incompetence. Take your pick.

Although I'm a fan of your messenger idea, my school doesn't have it and they're not welcoming to "new ideas."

Question: can the situation (re:lesson plan) I posted above be seen as miscommunication? I would like to assume that a person has good intentions but how can a person go from "I'll do it to 'you said you were going to do it?'"

As a general rule I stick to;

Once is never. Twice is always.

If it happened once meh whatever. Benefit of the doubt. If it happens twice (or more) you should maintain constant vigilance with that individual.

As for the exact words she used. She could have meant she would look into it and you should get back to her later. (Ie. She meant she had no idea not that she would do it.)

Don't sweat it too much though.

How can "I'll do it because I need to figure it out" be taken as "I'm not going to do it"?

Better yet, how can "I'll do it" NOT be interpreted as "I'm going to do it"?

I understand where one can think that she didn't know at the time ("I have to figure it out") but since I was talking about putting reading pages on the lesson plan, "do it" clearly refers to that. Therefore, "I'll do it" means "I'll put the pages on the lesson plan." Is that not a logical interpretation of those words?

My bad for ranting but this person doesn't know how to address issues so she'll accuse me of things; she's done it 3 times and it's annoying. She makes an effort to talk to me in an impertinent way but kindly talks to the other FTs.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: carolynlou12 on August 03, 2016, 10:07:45 AM

How can "I'll do it because I need to figure it out" be taken as "I'm not going to do it"?

Better yet, how can "I'll do it" NOT be interpreted as "I'm going to do it"?

I understand where one can think that she didn't know at the time ("I have to figure it out") but since I was talking about putting reading pages on the lesson plan, "do it" clearly refers to that. Therefore, "I'll do it" means "I'll put the pages on the lesson plan." Is that not a logical interpretation of those words?

My bad for ranting but this person doesn't know how to address issues so she'll accuse me of things; she's done it 3 times and it's annoying. She makes an effort to talk to me in an impertinent way but kindly talks to the other FTs.

I feel you. Personally, I tend to ask way more confirming questions than normally necessary. For your example, I would have followed up with "So you will do this?" then again with "I don't have to do this?" with accompanying hand gestures. I'm sure my Co thinks I have trouble understanding things, but I've caught a few things by asking the same thing different ways.

For example, a few months ago my Co told me that there would be exams all day on Friday. I said "Exams for the entire day?" and got a yes. I followed up with "So no classes on Friday?" and then found out that there would be classes after lunch. I don't know if it's a language barrier thing, or Korean teachers are busy and think they told us everything, or if they assume that if something was sent out on messenger (in Korean) that we know it, but it definitely helps to ask multiple clarifying questions.



Rant: During camp last week, I was allowed to go home around 2-3 every day. Now that I'm actually desk warming, I have to stay until 5. I'm going out of my miiiinnnnddddd
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on August 03, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
My first week of camp went surprisingly well, but now I feel like I'm crawling to the finish line. :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sinhead on August 05, 2016, 03:37:56 PM
I had been at my school less than 2 months before I was told to plan camp entirely by myself. Yep, no worries, I'm sure lots of new teachers have been in the same position. NBD.

So I planned 2 camps (one for grade 3/4, one for grade 5/6) equivalent to 2 hours per class, 2 classes per day, without any assistance or feedback from anyone. Obviously, the fact that no one had helped input or feedback could not posssibly mean that I was home free. And, as I expected, my co-teacher chimed in at the last minute and said that I HAD to include a cooking component each week of my camp, because every other NET has always included cooking, and the kids love it and the principal loves it and the parents love it and the bloody President of Korea loves it so of course I must include cooking.

Given that I am an absolutely pathetic cook, I took the advice of some waygookers and incorporated the mind-numbingly simple "cooking" activity which basically involved buying pre-made cakes and then getting the kids to decorate them with cream, sprinkles, and fruit. The kids feel like they did something, the teacher feels like she organised something, and the kids get jacked up on sugar and maybe forget for 5 minutes that they're attending school during their vacation time.

So I found some cakes and other things at my nearby Homeplus, but my co-teacher told me that any camp related activities to be purchased with the schools budget HAD to be purchased on 11 Street, and HAD to be purchased by some random admin staff before school broke for vacation. I was concerned because we're obviously dealing with perishable food items here, but I was reassured that there would be admin staff here to receive the delivery and they would ensure that all food items would be stored in the fridge until camp started (1 week into summer vacation).

Well, today was the day of "cooking", and boy were the kids excited. My camp coteacher (who is actually just a homeroom teacher because none of my actual coteachers wanted to do camp but also didn't trust me enough to do it by myself) pulled out the cakes and ingredients, only for us to open them up and find that they're mouldy. The kids have walked in and already seen the chocolate and sprinkles in front of them, but can also see that the cakes are off so instantly start to get upset and are yelling and whatever else it is kids do when they're pissed off.

The coteacher just throws her hands in the air and shrugs as if "oh well, guess we're not cooking today". So I try and think of a solution and ask if theres any random budget we could pull, so that I could run down to the nearest bakery and find some more cakes. She says no. I say fine, I'll go to the bakery and buy the cakes myself because everything is already set up and what the eff else are we gonna do for the next 80 minutes with sad kids and a bunch of whipped cream and sprinkles.

So I run in this obscene heat to the closest Tous les Jours, drop 40k on cakes so these kids have something to decorate, and run back into the classroom dripping in sweat but with fresh new cakes to boot. It all goes kind of well, the kids are munching on their cake and finishing the last few minutes of Finding Nemo and I reckon I'm home free. But then... one little BRAT starts acting like he's unwell. He thinks the cakes were mouldy. NO, my coteacher tells him, they WEREN'T mouldy. The original cakes were, but your lovely English Teacher went out and bought new ones. He insists the cakes were mouldy and have upset his precious little stomach. Nek minnit, the mum is here, demanding to see the expiry date on the packaging and trying to work out what could have caused her poor boys tummy ache. I am obviously reprimanded for running a subpar cooking class, and the camp coteacher actually had the audacity to ask me WHY I included cooking in my camp when I'm an English teacher not an effing Chef and that I should remove all cooking from the rest of the camp.

 :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

TL;DR
EFF CAMP AND EFF MY LIFE
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Whatgook on August 05, 2016, 03:41:14 PM
I had been at my school less than 2 months before I was told to plan camp entirely by myself. Yep, no worries, I'm sure lots of new teachers have been in the same position. NBD.


TL;DR
EFF CAMP AND EFF MY LIFE

Dude....... you poor lass. What an absolute mare. Chin up mate vacation now!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: samwh on August 06, 2016, 03:32:25 PM
So my hagwon, aka the director, had this brilliant idea.

We are going to film the native teachers asking individual students questions about their student-books/random ass books and send it to their parents. So easy right??? What could be bad about this....?

For ****'s sake... let's start with the fact that these kids suck at actually speaking English and can only "do" reading and maybe some writing English. Which somehow the hagwon directer seems genuinely surprised about. Which in turn is actually comical. Like sir remember last week when you said that I had to go through this writing book faster because the parents love it so much...Maybe that is one ****** reason why they cannot speak English!

Also, it doesn't actually help when the Korean teacher and I go over some of the questions with the kids so they are prepared and then the hagwon director just starts flipping through the book asking them questions from sections they haven't even covered yet. Then he gets mad that they cannot answer them!   

The kids hate these interviews anyway. They are always so nervous and shy. The Korean teachers are literally like acting coaches during these interviews. Saying things like, smile more. Don't look at the camera look at your teacher. Stop mumbling. Then the hagwon director flips them shit for not being able to pronounce ****** "except" because omg they pronounce it more like exzept. It makes me sick. It is so ****** fake.
They also give me acting tips too. "Oh teacher could you ask them how they are doing and wave goodbye. If they cannot remember what to say give them prompts so there is no long silences. Flip open the book when you ask them questions, the page doesn't have to match the question. Just try to make it look as natural as possible".....

We literally take between 1-3 class periods to film this shit and now probably 1-2 classes periods before just for the useless preparations for them. All so that the parents think their precious kids can actually speak English....

FML fake fake fake

 :cry: :evil: :cry: :evil: :cry: :evil:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on August 06, 2016, 04:01:06 PM
Friday my camp finished.

So the first day the coteacher had none of the materials that I had requested for the last month, Even though she said she had already brought them. I asked to see them, and of course she didn't let me look at them, and rather asked if I was accusing her of lying.

Never mind, I already had materials for a cheaper alternative activity on the fact that my bullshit detector is so highly tuned these days.

But of course rather than the "we each take one of the 5 classes for the whole day", On the Monday morning she changed it so we rotate though 3 classes a day. Lucky I brought all my activity materials rather than just brought enough for one day.

Then after the first day she goes off her nut about how the activity that I said I was going to do, I didn't do it, and I didn't follow the plan! I asked her where the materials for the activity where that she purchased last month, that I asked to take last week to prepare. She said that wasn't the issue. The issue was why I didn't follow the plan. Then the next day all the materials show up in my classroom, as if Santa left them over night. Most awesome thing. One of the receipts was in one of the bag, Purchased Monday night.

How do these people who can't tell the truth or think and plan more than 7 seconds in to the future to save them self get to a position where they are responsible for children? If you where a parent would you leave your child in the care of a person who is this dishonest? It's really starting to scare me. This is not my only coteacher, and almost all of them seem to have some sort of allergic reaction to truth. Like they lie even when there is absolutely no reason at all to lie.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sligo on August 06, 2016, 05:11:09 PM
Friday my camp finished.

So the first day the coteacher had none of the materials that I had requested for the last month, Even though she said she had already brought them. I asked to see them, and of course she didn't let me look at them, and rather asked if I was accusing her of lying.

Never mind, I already had materials for a cheaper alternative activity on the fact that my bullshit detector is so highly tuned these days.

But of course rather than the "we each take one of the 5 classes for the whole day", On the Monday morning she changed it so we rotate though 3 classes a day. Lucky I brought all my activity materials rather than just brought enough for one day.

Then after the first day she goes off her nut about how the activity that I said I was going to do, I didn't do it, and I didn't follow the plan! I asked her where the materials for the activity where that she purchased last month, that I asked to take last week to prepare. She said that wasn't the issue. The issue was why I didn't follow the plan. Then the next day all the materials show up in my classroom, as if Santa left them over night. Most awesome thing. One of the receipts was in one of the bag, Purchased Monday night.

How do these people who can't tell the truth or think and plan more than 7 seconds in to the future to save them self get to a position where they are responsible for children? If you where a parent would you leave your child in the care of a person who is this dishonest? It's really starting to scare me. This is not my only coteacher, and almost all of them seem to have some sort of allergic reaction to truth. Like they lie even when there is absolutely no reason at all to lie.

Show her the receipt and ask her if she was lying.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on August 07, 2016, 07:57:58 PM
I had been at my school less than 2 months before I was told to plan camp entirely by myself. Yep, no worries, I'm sure lots of new teachers have been in the same position. NBD.

So ...
TL;DR
EFF CAMP AND EFF MY LIFE

The next time someone asks me about working in Korea, asking for help or recommendations, I'm just going to paste them your post. This post is just so Korea. Camp is the absolute WORST. Hope you have a great vacation planned so you can forget the whole thing, at least for a little bit
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Soggysocks on August 08, 2016, 07:51:22 AM
My first week of camp last week was less than good. I cannot believe I have to do it all over again. Here's to hoping that this week will be somewhat better. 3rd and 4th graders can find fun in almost anything.

Friday, please get here quickly so I can finally get on a plane, and get out of this place!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 08, 2016, 12:03:52 PM
Lol I didn't feel like wearing makeup today so I wore a face mask and everyone thinks I'm sick and is freaking out.  I just argued with my co-teacher for about 5 minutes about how she doesn't need to call the vice principal and tell her I'm sick.  She finally dropped it but has now instructed me to sleep on my desk.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on August 08, 2016, 01:07:24 PM
Friday my camp finished.

So the first day the coteacher had none of the materials that I had requested for the last month, Even though she said she had already brought them. I asked to see them, and of course she didn't let me look at them, and rather asked if I was accusing her of lying.

Never mind, I already had materials for a cheaper alternative activity on the fact that my bullshit detector is so highly tuned these days.

But of course rather than the "we each take one of the 5 classes for the whole day", On the Monday morning she changed it so we rotate though 3 classes a day. Lucky I brought all my activity materials rather than just brought enough for one day.

Then after the first day she goes off her nut about how the activity that I said I was going to do, I didn't do it, and I didn't follow the plan! I asked her where the materials for the activity where that she purchased last month, that I asked to take last week to prepare. She said that wasn't the issue. The issue was why I didn't follow the plan. Then the next day all the materials show up in my classroom, as if Santa left them over night. Most awesome thing. One of the receipts was in one of the bag, Purchased Monday night.

How do these people who can't tell the truth or think and plan more than 7 seconds in to the future to save them self get to a position where they are responsible for children? If you where a parent would you leave your child in the care of a person who is this dishonest? It's really starting to scare me. This is not my only coteacher, and almost all of them seem to have some sort of allergic reaction to truth. Like they lie even when there is absolutely no reason at all to lie.

I know what you mean! It's actually really something that freaks me out about living here and it's hard to articulate but I just cannot feel comfortable or safe in a place where they seem to have such little regard for the truth. I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever. Like, how do you know that your partner that you're getting serious with is familiar with the concept that lying is bad and can be harmful to a relationship and that trust is important. They might say they get it, but do they really? Because the people I work with can't tell the truth to save their lives, they lie about the tiniest things and they let the students get away with lying as well.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: tweeks12 on August 08, 2016, 01:12:02 PM
Today I come to school ready to desk warm only to be met by the day care teacher telling me I have to teacher a 40 min class every day until my vacation.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: ashleynp2010 on August 08, 2016, 01:53:48 PM
There is so much crap going on in my life back home that I think I am experiencing a mental break here.

I have literally sat at my desk in my empty English room with the lights off and cried ever since my campers left. I am so glad no one has thought to drag me to the teacher's office today because I don't think I could explain myself.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 08, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
Deskwarming after camp last week was so peaceful.  Now my coteacher is here and sitting right next to me and she just sits at her desk with her computer off not moving or she paces back and forth doing weird stretches.  I always feel like she's looking over my shoulder.  Why can't she bring a book or something.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: zola on August 08, 2016, 02:26:46 PM
There is so much crap going on in my life back home that I think I am experiencing a mental break here.

I have literally sat at my desk in my empty English room with the lights off and cried ever since my campers left. I am so glad no one has thought to drag me to the teacher's office today because I don't think I could explain myself.
I know that feeling.
I hope things get better for you.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 08, 2016, 09:00:28 PM
That's what I would. call "a perfect time for a sick day".

Afterall, they are not just to be used for physical health.

Hang in there...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 09, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
So... my co-teacher informed me that to get to the immigration office to renew my visa we'll be taking a bus, the mugunghwa, and the metro.  She doesn't want to drive because it's so far away.  That seems like a perfectly good reason to drive to me.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 09, 2016, 01:43:39 PM
So... my co-teacher informed me that to get to the immigration office to renew my visa we'll be taking a bus, the mugunghwa, and the metro.  She doesn't want to drive because it's so far away.  That seems like a perfectly good reason to drive to me.   :rolleyes:
Why is she escorting you?

Surely, after navigating your way around Korea for the past 12+ months, it's unnecessary.

What gives?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sinhead on August 09, 2016, 01:59:40 PM
I had been at my school less than 2 months before I was told to plan camp entirely by myself. Yep, no worries, I'm sure lots of new teachers have been in the same position. NBD.

So ...
TL;DR
EFF CAMP AND EFF MY LIFE

The next time someone asks me about working in Korea, asking for help or recommendations, I'm just going to paste them your post. This post is just so Korea. Camp is the absolute WORST. Hope you have a great vacation planned so you can forget the whole thing, at least for a little bit

Right?! It's like it ticks off every typical frustration into one (not so) little story. At least that's what it felt like when it was happening. None of it would have been that big a deal until the little kid started complaining.

But thanks for the happy vacation wishes! You're almost free toooooooo.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on August 09, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
I had been at my school less than 2 months before I was told to plan camp entirely by myself. Yep, no worries, I'm sure lots of new teachers have been in the same position. NBD.

So ...
TL;DR
EFF CAMP AND EFF MY LIFE

The next time someone asks me about working in Korea, asking for help or recommendations, I'm just going to paste them your post. This post is just so Korea. Camp is the absolute WORST. Hope you have a great vacation planned so you can forget the whole thing, at least for a little bit

Right?! It's like it ticks off every typical frustration into one (not so) little story. At least that's what it felt like when it was happening. None of it would have been that big a deal until the little kid started complaining.

But thanks for the happy vacation wishes! You're almost free toooooooo.

Thanks! 1 day of classes left and 1 deskwarming day and that's it  :afro:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on August 09, 2016, 03:34:26 PM
I don't like being yanked around to lunch here and there without any warning or asking.

I guess maybe it's my POV. Some people might see it as free lunch by people who don't want me eating alone, but it doesn't feel as nice as it sounds. I pack a lunch that I want to eat every day. I went to the store specifically to plan and buy the things I want to eat after camp, but I don't get to eat these things because I have to go with the group and no one asks if I want to or not. I hate the idea here that eating alone is sad. I like it! To me, it's sad that these people can't be independent enough to eat by themselves sometimes.

If someone here asks me what I'm having for dinner on like... a Wednesday & I tell them they'll ask me who I'm eating with and act like I just said I'm about to jump from a 15 story building when I tell them I'm eating alone at home. Like, it's Wednesday night and I made myself some freaking pasta why is that an issue??? Who the hell needs to go out to dinner with people they probably don't even like every night? I've even had people tell me they skipped dinner because they had no one to eat with. Now that is f*cking sad.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on August 09, 2016, 03:42:15 PM
I don't like being yanked around to lunch here and there without any warning or asking.

I guess maybe it's my POV. Some people might see it as free lunch by people who don't want me eating alone, but it doesn't feel as nice as it sounds. I pack a lunch that I want to eat every day. I went to the store specifically to plan and by the things I want to eat after camp, but I don't get to eat these things because I have to go with the group and no one asks if I want to or not. I hate the idea here that eating alone is sad. I like it! To me, it's sad that these people can't be independent enough to eat by themselves sometimes.

If someone here asks me what I'm having for dinner on like... a Wednesday & I tell them they'll ask me who I'm eating with and act like I just said I'm about to jump from a 15 story building when I tell them I'm eating alone at home. Like, it's Wednesday night and I made myself some freaking pasta why is that an issue??? Who the hell needs to go out to dinner with people they probably don't even like every night? I've even had people tell me they skipped dinner because they had no one to eat with. Now that is f*cking sad.

I agree with you. There are plenty of times I know exactly what I want and suddenly my plans are changed because I suddenly find out about a lunch or dinner that was planned for a week,
I do have days that I'd rather not eat than eat alone, but the regular days definitely outweigh those.
I think what people here sometimes don't realize is that it's a million times more enjoyable to actually eat alone than to eat surrounded by people who don't understand you and visaversa.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on August 09, 2016, 04:34:36 PM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: KirbyFan112 on August 10, 2016, 08:27:22 AM
I have to do phone calling this camp. What am I supposed to say to a 1st grader on the phone? :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on August 10, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DLJL on August 10, 2016, 11:48:56 AM
Told a solid third of my camp class not to come back for the final two days. They seemed really shocked, almost upset even. I thought it was really weird, because they've been nothing but rude, disrespectful, uncooperative and lazy over the last two weeks.

But then I realised they're probably scared of having to explain to their parents why they aren't going to camp for the next two days.

Sucks to be them.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 11, 2016, 10:52:38 PM
So... my co-teacher informed me that to get to the immigration office to renew my visa we'll be taking a bus, the mugunghwa, and the metro.  She doesn't want to drive because it's so far away.  That seems like a perfectly good reason to drive to me.   :rolleyes:
Why is she escorting you?

Surely, after navigating your way around Korea for the past 12+ months, it's unnecessary.

What gives?

Hmm it never occurred to me to go alone.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 12, 2016, 01:02:24 AM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.

Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on August 12, 2016, 08:24:46 AM
Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm sure I never lost friends or family from telling the truth when it was hard.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 12, 2016, 08:51:37 AM
I don't like being yanked around to lunch here and there without any warning or asking.

I guess maybe it's my POV. Some people might see it as free lunch by people who don't want me eating alone, but it doesn't feel as nice as it sounds. I pack a lunch that I want to eat every day. I went to the store specifically to plan and buy the things I want to eat after camp, but I don't get to eat these things because I have to go with the group and no one asks if I want to or not. I hate the idea here that eating alone is sad. I like it! To me, it's sad that these people can't be independent enough to eat by themselves sometimes.

If someone here asks me what I'm having for dinner on like... a Wednesday & I tell them they'll ask me who I'm eating with and act like I just said I'm about to jump from a 15 story building when I tell them I'm eating alone at home. Like, it's Wednesday night and I made myself some freaking pasta why is that an issue??? Who the hell needs to go out to dinner with people they probably don't even like every night? I've even had people tell me they skipped dinner because they had no one to eat with. Now that is f*cking sad.

Skipped dinner because they had no one to eat with...

That is wrecking my mind right now. I mean, for one, I'd starve but I just, wow.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on August 12, 2016, 11:43:17 AM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.

Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on August 12, 2016, 12:20:33 PM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.

Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.

Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another.

What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ... :laugh:

Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...

We all lie to:

A) save face at some point
B) say what others want to/need to hear
C) go along to get along at work

The only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on August 12, 2016, 12:50:25 PM
Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.

Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another.

What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ... :laugh:

Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...

We all lie to:

A) save face at some point
B) say what others want to/need to hear
C) go along to get along at work

The only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.

Legit do not tell these nonsense lies.

I don't comment on people's weight at all, but if someone asks: "No, that's not a very flattering top, try vertical stripes". I don't care how many doughnuts they eat.

If my best friend was wrong in her last relationship, that's her relationship to ruin, there's no need for me to comment more than, "there's plenty of fish in the sea". If she asks me though, I'm gonna tell her the truth because I want her to have a happy healthy relationship in the future, not ruin the next one the same way.

I don't tell lies that don't have to be told. Now, if my student asks me if my parents are married, I might lie and say that they are. That has nothing to do with saving face, saying what she wants to hear, or going along to get along. That has to do with the fact that it's none of little Minji's business, and if I say "It's none of your business", that's the same as saying "No, they aren't together, Minji".

Super rare occurrance at that. You make it sound like people go through their lives telling lie after lie. Well, maybe they do, but I try to stay away from those kind of people.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on August 12, 2016, 01:00:11 PM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.

Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.

Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another.

What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ... :laugh:

Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...

We all lie to:

A) save face at some point
B) say what others want to/need to hear
C) go along to get along at work

The only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.

You wrote all that to just restate the obvious. And yeah where to draw the line isn't a small difference. It's actually a pretty big one when it comes to just about anything. We all lie, but where someone draws the line says a lot about their character in my opinion. If someone asks me my opinion on their clothing & they actually WANT my opinion, I give it honestly. If someone genuinely wants my opinion on their love life, I give it to them!

Haven't you ever known someone who exaggerates their stories or twists them to the point their word can't be trusted? Those people are not fun to be around vs someone who lies and tells you they like your new haircut when they really don't. It's all a matter of degree and the degree to which people lie here is uncomfortable to me. I expect adults to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. It's how I was raised, but "the truth" doesn't seem to be held in high regard here. I really don't feel the need to lie to just get through my day and the people who do feel the need aren't people I'd really like to be around.

I don't really understand the point of responses like this though. I've seen people spit back home a couple of times so does that mean I can't be tired of the hacking I can hear from my window and gobs of phlegm that litter the streets?

No one said Koreans invented lying so... no need to waste your time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 13, 2016, 01:52:56 AM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.

Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.

Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another.

What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ... :laugh:

Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...

We all lie to:

A) save face at some point
B) say what others want to/need to hear
C) go along to get along at work

The only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.

You wrote all that to just restate the obvious. And yeah where to draw the line isn't a small difference. It's actually a pretty big one when it comes to just about anything. We all lie, but where someone draws the line says a lot about their character in my opinion. If someone asks me my opinion on their clothing & they actually WANT my opinion, I give it honestly. If someone genuinely wants my opinion on their love life, I give it to them!

Haven't you ever known someone who exaggerates their stories or twists them to the point their word can't be trusted? Those people are not fun to be around vs someone who lies and tells you they like your new haircut when they really don't. It's all a matter of degree and the degree to which people lie here is uncomfortable to me. I expect adults to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. It's how I was raised, but "the truth" doesn't seem to be held in high regard here. I really don't feel the need to lie to just get through my day and the people who do feel the need aren't people I'd really like to be around.

I don't really understand the point of responses like this though. I've seen people spit back home a couple of times so does that mean I can't be tired of the hacking I can hear from my window and gobs of phlegm that litter the streets?

No one said Koreans invented lying so... no need to waste your time.

I'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: eggieguffer on August 13, 2016, 07:07:51 AM
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I'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.

Simple. Don't tell a lie you can be caught out on.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 13, 2016, 07:32:33 AM
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I'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.

Simple. Don't tell a lie you can be caught out on.

Ah, now there's a strategy.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on August 13, 2016, 08:38:17 AM
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I'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.

Simple. Don't tell a lie you can be caught out on.

Ah, now there's a strategy.
"Anything's legal, man, as long as you don't get caught."
One of my favourite quotes (although not one I necessarily agree with: I'm not a total sociopath!)

Everybody lies, some more than others. In my personal opinion, a good moral line to draw would be the one Buddhist philosophies like to preach: consider if the lie is harmful in any way. Will your fib harm/inconvenience/utterly destroy another person? Then avoid it. Will the net effect be positive? Spin them yarns!  :P
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 13, 2016, 11:03:56 AM
Myself, I believe a good moral line to draw is it's ok to lie as long as it helps you, in whatever situation you find yourself. I mean lying for trivial or fruitless purposes or with the intention of causing others harm is wrong.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 13, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
Forgot to address this.  Is it ok to lie if it helps you but hurts others? No. You should amend your lie in a way as to help you and not cause harm to another. I believe one has a moral responsibility to lie for the good of others too.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: The Arm on August 15, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
Seats on airplanes shouldn't recline. 

It blows my mind that people actually recline their seats when there's someone sitting behind them.  Is there anything more inconsiderate?  Why not just turn around and spit in my meal while you're at it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: samwh on August 15, 2016, 12:57:10 PM
Seats on airplanes shouldn't recline. 

It blows my mind that people actually recline their seats when there's someone sitting behind them.  Is there anything more inconsiderate?  Why not just turn around and spit in my meal while you're at it.

I love this. After reading all the comments on the intricacies of lying and then boom your post. It cracked me up!

If they keep taking the seat space away from us I agree maybe they shouldn't recline. Also though, if my flight is longer than 8 hours I am going to sleep and thus recline my chair. But there are polite ways to do that like not while the meals are being served/eaten or within the first 5 minutes of being on the flight or constantly putting the seat up and back.   
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: carolynlou12 on August 18, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
Tomorrow is my last day at the school. Back last month, I double checked that all after school classes wouldn't be starting until Sept, like last year. Just got informed I have to teach an after school class today AND tomorrow. And my coteacher wants a curriculum outline.

It's not my freaking class. It's the new teachers class. In what universe does it make sense for me to make a curriculum outline, and then teach the introduction class?! I have 31 hours until my contract is finished!!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on August 18, 2016, 09:24:41 AM
Seats on airplanes shouldn't recline. 

It blows my mind that people actually recline their seats when there's someone sitting behind them.  Is there anything more inconsiderate?  Why not just turn around and spit in my meal while you're at it.

Eh. I think you gotta just shell out the extra dime for a airline with leg room. Or when you get reclined on, you recline too.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 18, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
Jus got back from my trip home a few days ago and all my mom did was tell me how shes "not trying to guilt me" but feels like I've abandoned her....hours before getting on my flight back home. The rest of my fam is so cool with me being here. I've been here for 5 years... you'd think she would be over it by now...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: nomadicmadda on August 18, 2016, 10:45:32 AM
Seats on airplanes shouldn't recline. 

It blows my mind that people actually recline their seats when there's someone sitting behind them.  Is there anything more inconsiderate?  Why not just turn around and spit in my meal while you're at it.

Most modern seats that recline have been engineered to not take up more of the space of the person behind you.  Case in point, the seats on both the KTS and Korean buses have the seat part slide forward as the back part tips back. So, you're only shrinking your own seating area marginally if you want to recline. 

If you recently flew on a plane that didn't have this, then I think that's rather outdated.  Hopefully they make the transition soon, since the technology is there and it makes for a much more comfortable ride for all.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Savant on August 18, 2016, 01:59:44 PM
Another wannabe western Korean fan-boy has flashed across my Facebook feed - 올리버 쌤.
Why are these guys [why, just guys?] all following the same doting-on-Korea love fest?
Dokdo? Check!
Weird cosplaying? Check
Weird voice acting? Check
Do you know these "unique" manners? Check
Generally annoying face? Check

Some of his content is good but still..annoying face.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Imogen1991 on August 18, 2016, 02:08:48 PM
Another wannabe western Korean fan-boy has flashed across my Facebook feed - 올리버 쌤.
Why are these guys [why, just guys?] all following the same doting-on-Korea love fest?
Dokdo? Check!
Weird cosplaying? Check
Weird voice acting? Check
Do you know these "unique" manners? Check
Generally annoying face? Check

Some of his content is good but still..annoying face.

I hate all of those guys, i think how much Koreans love them just makes me hate them more

edit: Just watched one of his videos, a large part of me has shrivelled up and died. Why? Just... why? It was the video of him saying words such as 'hard' and 'erection'. Someone put me out of my misery.

17,000 subscribers as well, jesus christ.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 19, 2016, 08:17:56 AM
Been away on holiday. Have jet lag and a headache. Come back to school. They are drilling in the classroom next door. AND just to make sure I know I am in Korea again, I turn on the aircon to ease this hell hot life sucking heat and 2 minutes, TWO minutes later, they open all the windows... Welcome back!! Just welcome th f*%k back!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: denimdaze on August 22, 2016, 09:46:16 AM
I never imagined I'd rant about something like this.  The air conditioner in our Teacher's Room is running on a low temp setting, and It's Cold in Here

I expected it to be hot/warm as always, and wore a skirt and thin shirt.  Now I wish I'd worn a shrug or cardigan with it.  My legs are freezing, too. 

Not sure if I should complain too much.  It could feel like Hell in here tomorrow.   

 :evil:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: robin_teacher on August 22, 2016, 09:48:29 AM
No AC. Am dying. Can feel the sweat running down my body. Welcome back, Robin Teacher.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 22, 2016, 10:03:06 AM
They switched up my schedule for this semester, which I normally wouldn't mind but what they want me to do now requires twice as much preparation and I'm afraid I'm gonna have to start using my free-time at home and during the weekends to prepare my lessons again.

And just when I'd finally developed a system that gave me some breathing room.

I'LL NEVER GET TO DO ANYTHING FUN AGAIN
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: YoungMin on August 22, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
I never imagined I'd rant about something like this.  The air conditioner in our Teacher's Room is running on a low temp setting, and It's Cold in Here

I expected it to be hot/warm as always, and wore a skirt and thin shirt.  Now I wish I'd worn a shrug or cardigan with it.  My legs are freezing, too. 

Not sure if I should complain too much.  It could feel like Hell in here tomorrow.   

 :evil:

I can't even imagine having the opportunity to complain about having the the AC on too cold.

In our school the office lady has it on 28 degrees. She goes mental if you turn it down. 28 degrees? That's a joke. The disdain I have for this lady is ginormous. 28 ****** degrees, man.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on August 22, 2016, 10:26:30 AM
I never imagined I'd rant about something like this.  The air conditioner in our Teacher's Room is running on a low temp setting, and It's Cold in Here

I expected it to be hot/warm as always, and wore a skirt and thin shirt.  Now I wish I'd worn a shrug or cardigan with it.  My legs are freezing, too. 

Not sure if I should complain too much.  It could feel like Hell in here tomorrow.   

 :evil:

Haha I leave a cardigan at school for this very reason. My school is generally pretty liberal with the AC so it gets quite cold at times. I'm not complaining, though, since I prefer the cold to the heat. I just dress for summer (in case the AC doesn't work or whatever) but I always have the cardigan just in case.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 22, 2016, 10:33:59 AM
Arrive back in Korea, get to my stop on the airport bus, try for 30+ minutes to get a taxi home, but no taxi will take me..I have 4 bags.  Whatever.

I walk two bags ahead 30 meters, then walk back, get the other two bags and walk them ahead 60 meters, rinse and repeat (this has happened before, so I'm not blowing a fuse).

I have a nice sweat going within a minute due to the humidity and heat.

After 10 minutes of this baggage relay, this lovely young Korean girl, nicknamed "Kimberly" approached me to offer to help me.  I explain about the taxi situation, so she offers to help wheel my bags home.  I politely refuse her offer, as she is wearing a dress and high heels, it is extremely hot and humid, and my bags are maxed out at 32 kilos/70 pounds.

I continue, but after a couple of minutes, this "Kimberly" returns and insists on helping me, so I accept.

I do my best to make small talk while we muscle the bags toward my house.

She seems "normal", so my initial fears subside.

Once home, I asked her to wait, so I could quickly run inside (I wanted to give her a small  token of my appreciation in the form of a bottle of wine). She thought it too much, but accepted.

Thank you "Kimberly"!

On another note, electric bill from July: 683 kWh= 282,940! Not looking forward to August, as it is already over 600 kWh  :(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on August 22, 2016, 10:50:04 AM
Arrive back in Korea, get to my stop on the airport bus, try for 30+ minutes to get a taxi home, but no taxi will take me..I have 4 bags.  Whatever.

I walk two bags ahead 30 meters, then walk back, get the other two bags and walk them ahead 60 meters, rinse and repeat (this has happened before, so I'm not blowing a fuse).

I have a nice sweat going within a minute due to the humidity and heat.

After 10 minutes of this baggage relay, this lovely young Korean girl, nicknamed "Kimberly" approached me to offer to help me.  I explain about the taxi situation, so she offers to help wheel my bags home.  I politely refuse her offer, as she is wearing a dress and high heels, it is extremely hot and humid, and my bags are maxed out at 32 kilos/70 pounds.

I continue, but after a couple of minutes, this "Kimberly" returns and insists on helping me, so I accept.

I do my best to make small talk while we muscle the bags toward my house.

She seems "normal", so my initial fears subside.

Once home, I asked her to wait, so I could quickly run inside (I wanted to give her a small  token of my appreciation in the form of a bottle of wine). She thought it too much, but accepted.

Thank you "Kimberly"!

On another note, electric bill from July: 683 kWh= 282,940! Not looking forward to August, as it is already over 600 kWh  :(
you should have offered to buy her dinner instead!*

*unless you are already in a relationship
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 22, 2016, 11:01:55 AM
I'm happily married and way too old.

She was genuinely a sweet/kind young lady.  I came to learn why she was so bold and her English so good...she lived in the states for 18 months and experienced American hospitality.

She just recently moved to Seoul from the country and doesn't really know anyone here, yet.

I'm sure she'll do just fine ;)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 22, 2016, 11:11:05 AM
Arrive back in Korea, get to my stop on the airport bus, try for 30+ minutes to get a taxi home, but no taxi will take me..I have 4 bags.  Whatever.

I walk two bags ahead 30 meters, then walk back, get the other two bags and walk them ahead 60 meters, rinse and repeat (this has happened before, so I'm not blowing a fuse).

I have a nice sweat going within a minute due to the humidity and heat.

After 10 minutes of this baggage relay, this lovely young Korean girl, nicknamed "Kimberly" approached me to offer to help me.  I explain about the taxi situation, so she offers to help wheel my bags home.  I politely refuse her offer, as she is wearing a dress and high heels, it is extremely hot and humid, and my bags are maxed out at 32 kilos/70 pounds.

I continue, but after a couple of minutes, this "Kimberly" returns and insists on helping me, so I accept.

I do my best to make small talk while we muscle the bags toward my house.

She seems "normal", so my initial fears subside.

Once home, I asked her to wait, so I could quickly run inside (I wanted to give her a small  token of my appreciation in the form of a bottle of wine). She thought it too much, but accepted.

Thank you "Kimberly"!

On another note, electric bill from July: 683 kWh= 282,940! Not looking forward to August, as it is already over 600 kWh  :(

I have the AC on all the time and my monthly bills are 18-20 bucks. How on earth are yours so high? Are you in a 4 bedroom?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: oglop on August 22, 2016, 11:31:03 AM
I'm happily married and way too old.

She was genuinely a sweet/kind young lady.  I came to learn why she was so bold and her English so good...she lived in the states for 18 months and experienced American hospitality.

She just recently moved to Seoul from the country and doesn't really know anyone here, yet.

I'm sure she'll do just fine ;)
awesome. it's easy to become jaded here, but people certainly can be kind. when my family visited people were so friendly to them- especially my 9 year old cousin (who went back home telling his friends that he was a 'minor celebrity' in korea haha)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 22, 2016, 12:58:53 PM
The jet lag is real. Got back from vacation this past weekend and even though I slept a crazy amount, I am struggling to be awake right now

I guess it's also siesta time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 22, 2016, 01:35:20 PM
CO2,

It's 24-25 pyeong, but a/c is only on during essential hours of the day on a timer.

We run air filter machines, too, but the only reason the bill is so high is due to the progressive/punitive electricity rates.

If we paid a flat rate, our bill would only be 40-60,000 per month.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: seoil on August 22, 2016, 02:32:46 PM
CO2,

It's 24-25 pyeong, but a/c is only on during essential hours of the day on a timer.

We run air filter machines, too, but the only reason the bill is so high is due to the progressive/punitive electricity rates.

If we paid a flat rate, our bill would only be 40-60,000 per month.

Pecan I assume your apt complex or w/e doesn't adhere to the group rating system with the all inclusive monthly 관리비. This year I moved into one these apartment complexes that is set up on some kind of group billing system where parking, electricity, water, maintenance,etc (but not gas) is determined by the size of you apt unit. Its good for those looking to save cash but also bad cuz they control essential functions like the lowest temperature settings of individual ac units. I didn't notice this when I signed the lease for the unit. My flat rate is around 80,000 for everything each month but it went up to 90,000 for everybody last month. But that really isn't the issue. My problem is that group rates require management and the temperature threshold for Koreans seems to be far greater than what I personally can stand. This month a couple of times the AC units would not go lower than 27 sometimes this is not a problem but a few days it got pretty hot and 27 felt like 32 especially after I got back from vacation. So yesterday I had enough and I went out to a ETLand and bought a really nice stand alone AC unit with 3step hepa air filtration system, auto swing movement,etc etc I got a fairly good deal and it was worth it long term especially when the winter comes and I am able to switch it to heat.

But I'm curious if I start to run this all day/night would anybody notice. Since we don't receive electric bills individually from the power company and there isn't a meter that is checked monthly how could anybody actually know how much power I'm consuming?? Anyone has any experience with group billing schemes? This is my first time. I much rather pay for what I use.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 22, 2016, 02:41:32 PM
It's a house, so we don't have any of types of restrictions that you mentioned above.

Best of luck.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: seoil on August 22, 2016, 03:08:09 PM
It's a house, so we don't have any of types of restrictions that you mentioned above.

Best of luck.

I had a friend who also had a house, drive way, patio etc But when the 2 year lease term was up his family moved back to an apt because of the bills, the inconvenience of being pretty far from essentials places, and the owner wanting him to start paying a different percentage of the property insurance.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 22, 2016, 03:30:20 PM
2 of my 3 schools I'm genuinely happy to teach again but the last one....where do these brats come from?! There was no Englishee class today but when they came in to clean I was like ugh... you still exist...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: HaLo3 on August 22, 2016, 03:43:28 PM
Today is the FIRST DAY of the new school year, and yet already, one of my classrooms computer and projector set up is completely not working. There goes half the class.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 22, 2016, 03:52:22 PM
Today is the FIRST DAY of the new school year, and yet already, one of my classrooms computer and projector set up is completely not working. There goes half the class.
New school year?  Who starts a new school year in August in Korea? An international school?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JLCutler on August 23, 2016, 07:15:44 AM
New school year?  Who starts a new school year in August in Korea? An international school?
...All of the schools aside from universities?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on August 23, 2016, 07:25:41 AM
New school year?  Who starts a new school year in August in Korea? An international school?
...All of the schools aside from universities?
A new semester, maybe, but insofar as I know the school year tends to start at the end of February in the majority of Korean public schools.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 23, 2016, 07:31:59 AM
Sorry not to clairy, I was asking HaLo3.

I'm well aware that Korean public schools and universities start Mach 1st.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Zaiterade on August 23, 2016, 07:41:08 AM
My last week here before I go home, and after my vacation, and they still need me to "teach" this final week.

Movies only. And if their internet doesn't work and I can't get netflix, they're having a free period. I don't even care anymore.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: battletoasta on August 23, 2016, 07:45:16 AM
I miss playing Pokemon Go.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Greenteabingsu on August 23, 2016, 07:50:19 AM
I miss playing Pokemon Go.

Me too. I played it all the time while I was in Japan for vacation.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 23, 2016, 07:58:17 AM
I can't seem to catch up in my sleep.


And too much coffee turns me into a squirrel with just about as much brain capacity.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: HaLo3 on August 23, 2016, 08:11:39 AM
Today is the FIRST DAY of the new school year, and yet already, one of my classrooms computer and projector set up is completely not working. There goes half the class.
New school year?  Who starts a new school year in August in Korea? An international school?
Yeah, it basically is. It's not a full fledged international school, like SFS or KIS, but it isn't a public Korean school. So we start in the typical second semester for regular Korean schools.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 23, 2016, 08:50:48 AM
I miss playing Pokemon Go.

Me too. I played it all the time while I was in Japan for vacation.

Word. I played it a bit when back home for vacation. Some good bonding time with my brother was had ^^ I just wanna catch 'em all... full up on eggs too... why is Sokcho so far???  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 23, 2016, 10:43:50 AM
It irks me how the creepy admin guy will randomly open the office door, look in, and leave without saying a word.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 23, 2016, 01:49:12 PM
I miss playing Pokemon Go.

Me too. I played it all the time while I was in Japan for vacation.

Word. I played it a bit when back home for vacation. Some good bonding time with my brother was had ^^ I just wanna catch 'em all... full up on eggs too... why is Sokcho so far???  :cry:
Apparently there's a small area in Ulsan that it works to because of the cross-over of Japans maps. My friend was able to play.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on August 23, 2016, 02:01:08 PM
I miss playing Pokemon Go.

Me too. I played it all the time while I was in Japan for vacation.

Word. I played it a bit when back home for vacation. Some good bonding time with my brother was had ^^ I just wanna catch 'em all... full up on eggs too... why is Sokcho so far???  :cry:
Apparently there's a small area in Ulsan that it works to because of the cross-over of Japans maps. My friend was able to play.

Yeah its Ganjeolgot Beach (http://map.naver.com/index.nhn?query=7Jq47IKwIOqwhOygiOqztg&enc=b64&tab=1) near the southern end of Ulsan. I know some peeps who played there. Nice beach too. Worth a visit even if you're not chasing Pokemons.  :smiley:

But you don't have to take my word for it ~

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160723000065 (http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160723000065)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 23, 2016, 03:08:04 PM
Can't log into NEIS because of some random security scan that needs to be done and is taking forever  >:( >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: HaLo3 on August 24, 2016, 10:40:13 AM
So I go to my classroom today for the first class this morning. This class has 38 students, and I have 40 desks. But when I get to class, I find out that some other teacher or worker has stolen half of my desks! I had to spend a portion of the period hunting down enough chairs at least and figured I'd worry about the desks later since today their main assignment was speaking bingo so they would need to be walking around anyways. But still, who just takes the desks out of a specified classroom!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 24, 2016, 11:42:46 AM
I realize you are simply venting, but have you ever considered actually being more prepared.

Both of the issues you have mentioned thus far this semester could have been easily prevented had you prepared.

How about checking the room prior to class?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on August 24, 2016, 12:10:04 PM
This happens occasionally with me as well.

While it's a fantastic idea in theory, Pecan's solution is too much effort to be really feasible.
 I just make everybody sit in a big circle on the floor. This comes in really handy later in those lessons where we all have to hold hands and sing "kumbaya".
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 24, 2016, 03:30:52 PM
Looks like today's attempt to run the newest dumb security scan is gonna be deemed a failure too. It's been "scanning" for two hours and still isn't finished. And I'm not gonna stay late again. Guess I'll just be accessing NEIS from coworkers' computers until this gets fixed. Annoying
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 25, 2016, 09:21:29 AM
My hair is too dry. I think it's the water, this wasn't a problem before I came to S. Korea. I need to buy a filter for my shower. ;c
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on August 25, 2016, 09:50:05 AM
My hair is too dry. I think it's the water, this wasn't a problem before I came to S. Korea. I need to buy a filter for my shower. ;c

It's definitely the water. Get that filter asap because the water here isn't just drying, it leaves a film on your hair that stops moisture from getting in. At least, that is my experience.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 25, 2016, 10:08:54 AM
My hair is too dry. I think it's the water, this wasn't a problem before I came to S. Korea. I need to buy a filter for my shower. ;c

It is the water. When I got here my first year, my hair started splitting and breaking, when I moved I got a shower head with a filter.... MUCH better, and when you see the shit in the filter...  :shocked:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: devsterl on August 25, 2016, 10:30:45 AM
Arrive back in Korea, get to my stop on the airport bus, try for 30+ minutes to get a taxi home, but no taxi will take me..I have 4 bags.  Whatever.

I walk two bags ahead 30 meters, then walk back, get the other two bags and walk them ahead 60 meters, rinse and repeat (this has happened before, so I'm not blowing a fuse).

I have a nice sweat going within a minute due to the humidity and heat.

After 10 minutes of this baggage relay, this lovely young Korean girl, nicknamed "Kimberly" approached me to offer to help me.  I explain about the taxi situation, so she offers to help wheel my bags home.  I politely refuse her offer, as she is wearing a dress and high heels, it is extremely hot and humid, and my bags are maxed out at 32 kilos/70 pounds.

I continue, but after a couple of minutes, this "Kimberly" returns and insists on helping me, so I accept.

I do my best to make small talk while we muscle the bags toward my house.

She seems "normal", so my initial fears subside.

Once home, I asked her to wait, so I could quickly run inside (I wanted to give her a small  token of my appreciation in the form of a bottle of wine). She thought it too much, but accepted.

Thank you "Kimberly"!

On another note, electric bill from July: 683 kWh= 282,940! Not looking forward to August, as it is already over 600 kWh  :(

I have the AC on all the time and my monthly bills are 18-20 bucks. How on earth are yours so high? Are you in a 4 bedroom?

For the first time this year, I left my ac on 24/7 during my vacation. Was expecting a huge bill, but I thought...meh...it's hot as hell. Was surprised to see that my bill was only about 110 000 won for the month  ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 25, 2016, 11:14:03 AM
My hair is too dry. I think it's the water, this wasn't a problem before I came to S. Korea. I need to buy a filter for my shower. ;c

It is the water. When I got here my first year, my hair started splitting and breaking, when I moved I got a shower head with a filter.... MUCH better, and when you see the shit in the filter...  :shocked:

Nice, even more motivation to go out to look for one after work.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on August 25, 2016, 12:28:40 PM
3rd grade classes with 30 kids. :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pecan on August 25, 2016, 12:31:54 PM
Amen!

The tap water here is NASTY!

In another thread, someone asked about where to catch and eat fish here...

The sane responded,"NOT IN KOREA!"
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 25, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
I realize you are simply venting, but have you ever considered actually being more prepared.

Both of the issues you have mentioned thus far this semester could have been easily prevented had you prepared.

How about checking the room prior to class?

Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 25, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 25, 2016, 03:18:41 PM
Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

Dude are you for real? Life isn't always Point A to Point B and repeat. Things, as you know, happen. Plus, I'm pretty sure no one in a venting thread has time for brilliant solutions from Monday morning quarterbacks.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 25, 2016, 03:20:03 PM
Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

I'm also not in charge of furniture.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: HaLo3 on August 25, 2016, 03:21:25 PM
There was a student in my last class today that was using his phone, so I took it. He was upset, but whatever. I keep going. Its common practice to take phones. He gets up and tries to take it back, and when I say no, he started getting angry, then eventually progresses to him cussing me out in Korean. I tried making him do his work, but after that, I went to go kick him out, when he loses his mind and started yelling and screaming and kicked my desk hard enough to shake it and knock some stuff over, then kicks another big enpty teacher desk and broke the wood on the front. As he is leaving, still yelling, he kicks the door (which I'm surprised he didn't break also). This kid has issues, as he has broken a chair in class last year and gotten in fights before too. I know that a lot of kids have problems at home and need to be loved and just treated kindly, but actions like that make it hard. He actually scared me and I was shaking after.

Edit: This is high school. I might be scared even more if this was an elementary schooler...
Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.
Since in my two years at this same school my desks have never gone missing before. Heck, at any school!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on August 25, 2016, 03:27:54 PM
There was a student in my last class today that was using his phone, so I took it. He was upset, but whatever. I keep going. Its common practice to take phones. He gets up and tries to take it back, and when I say no, he started getting angry, then eventually progresses to him cussing me out in Korean. I tried making him do his work, but after that, I went to go kick him out, when he loses his mind and started yelling and screaming and kicked my desk hard enough to shake it and knock some stuff over, then kicks another big enpty teacher desk and broke the wood on the front. As he is leaving, still yelling, he kicks the door (which I'm surprised he didn't break also). This kid has issues, as he has broken a chair in class last year and gotten in fights before too. I know that a lot of kids have problems at home and need to be loved and just treated kindly, but actions like that make it hard. He actually scared me and I was shaking after.

Edit: This is high school. I might be scared even more if this was an elementary schooler...

From the POV of an elementary teacher, I wouldn't be that worried about this from any of my students because they're not all old enough to know better yet, and they're mostly not big enough to do any serious damage. But from a high schooler, I find it pretty freaking terrifying to be honest. If that was me I'm not sure how it would have turned out because most high school boys are probably bigger than me.  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: HaLo3 on August 25, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
There was a student in my last class today that was using his phone, so I took it. He was upset, but whatever. I keep going. Its common practice to take phones. He gets up and tries to take it back, and when I say no, he started getting angry, then eventually progresses to him cussing me out in Korean. I tried making him do his work, but after that, I went to go kick him out, when he loses his mind and started yelling and screaming and kicked my desk hard enough to shake it and knock some stuff over, then kicks another big empty teacher desk and broke the wood on the front. As he is leaving, still yelling, he kicks the door (which I'm surprised he didn't break also). This kid has issues, as he has broken a chair in class last year and gotten in fights before too. I know that a lot of kids have problems at home and need to be loved and just treated kindly, but actions like that make it hard. He actually scared me and I was shaking after.

Edit: This is high school. I might be scared even more if this was an elementary schooler...

From the POV of an elementary teacher, I wouldn't be that worried about this from any of my students because they're not all old enough to know better yet, and they're mostly not big enough to do any serious damage. But from a high schooler, I find it pretty freaking terrifying to be honest. If that was me I'm not sure how it would have turned out because most high school boys are probably bigger than me.  :lipsrsealed:
Haha, well I meant more that if an elementary grader had been able to do that sort of damage, they would have had to be pretty big.

But yeah, I have asked discipline to remove him from my class, because he is a huge distraction and disruptance ALL the time. And yeah, I'm not that little and this still scared me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 25, 2016, 03:36:11 PM
Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

Dude are you for real? Life isn't always Point A to Point B and repeat. Things, as you know, happen. Plus, I'm pretty sure no one in a venting thread has time for brilliant solutions from Monday morning quarterbacks.

????? I'm agreeing with you.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 25, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

Dude are you for real? Life isn't always Point A to Point B and repeat. Things, as you know, happen. Plus, I'm pretty sure no one in a venting thread has time for brilliant solutions from Monday morning quarterbacks.

????? I'm agreeing with you.

Apologies! I was reading a  :rolleyes: that wasn't there. OOPS @ ME.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on August 25, 2016, 04:01:01 PM
Oh get out of here with your, "Well I would never make that mistake" condescension.

Yeah, I would never check my class to make sure all of the desks were there.

Dude are you for real? Life isn't always Point A to Point B and repeat. Things, as you know, happen. Plus, I'm pretty sure no one in a venting thread has time for brilliant solutions from Monday morning quarterbacks.

????? I'm agreeing with you.

Apologies! I was reading a  :rolleyes: that wasn't there. OOPS @ ME.

 :laugh: It's hard to tell in text sometimes when a person is being sarcastic or sincere. I can see how this particular one could have been interpreted both ways. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sevenpm on August 26, 2016, 09:47:48 AM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.

Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.

Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another.

What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ... :laugh:

Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...

We all lie to:

A) save face at some point
B) say what others want to/need to hear
C) go along to get along at work

The only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.

You wrote all that to just restate the obvious. And yeah where to draw the line isn't a small difference. It's actually a pretty big one when it comes to just about anything. We all lie, but where someone draws the line says a lot about their character in my opinion. If someone asks me my opinion on their clothing & they actually WANT my opinion, I give it honestly. If someone genuinely wants my opinion on their love life, I give it to them!

Haven't you ever known someone who exaggerates their stories or twists them to the point their word can't be trusted? Those people are not fun to be around vs someone who lies and tells you they like your new haircut when they really don't. It's all a matter of degree and the degree to which people lie here is uncomfortable to me. I expect adults to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. It's how I was raised, but "the truth" doesn't seem to be held in high regard here. I really don't feel the need to lie to just get through my day and the people who do feel the need aren't people I'd really like to be around.

I don't really understand the point of responses like this though. I've seen people spit back home a couple of times so does that mean I can't be tired of the hacking I can hear from my window and gobs of phlegm that litter the streets?

No one said Koreans invented lying so... no need to waste your time.

I'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.

I'm surprised you think there is NO moral code to lying. Everyone has to make one for themselves. That said.. who the hell raised you? I love coming onto waygook and seeing the low moral standards others set for themselves. It's fascinating.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 26, 2016, 10:32:20 AM

I simply don't know how far it goes and that scares me away from things like getting into close relationships with people. From what I see/hear it seems like people are just living in a fantasy world of their own making for the sake of saving face or whatever.

I'm a big fan of never saying never, but that's the reason I wouldn't go local. Before I came here I never really understood the importance of a shared culture. Not lying about every single thing in life is a really important bit of culture for me.

The thing that is really just pissing me off the most is there is simply no need for them to lie about simple little things. "I forgot to blah blah blah. I'm sorry". How simple is that? It's even easier than lying!!!!!!

SAME.

I was so silly and thought that things such as not lying, not cheating (yes prostitutes count), and generally trying to live an honest life were shared among modern cultures. Boy was I wrong.

I also wonder if they think I'm a fool for being honest about things. I don't make up lies to cover my ass at work or inflate my self-worth. If I forgot something or made a mistake, I admit it. Maybe they're like "why isn't this idiot saving face she's so embarrassing!" as I'm sitting here wondering why they are so damn corrupt.

Relax. Where would humanity be without lying? I guarantee you nobody got anywhere telling the truth. It's a fact of life. Honesty means losing contacts, friends, and even family. So, what's left? Days of being alone. Doing what you want when you want to do it. Actually? it sounds do-able.

I'm not sure what kind of life you live where telling the truth would hinder your existence on a regular basis. Yikes.

Imagine a world without all those little white lies we tell others (and ourselves) so that the social wheels keep turning and folks don't end up murdering one another.

What would happen if you just told your co-worker that they look fat lately and should put down that fourth doughnut? It's the truth, but do you say it? Well, maybe in a Korean workplace ... :laugh:

Or maybe you tell your best friend that they were actually the one that was wrong in their recent relationship and that that's why their ex broke up with them. Maybe it's the truth, do you say it though? Probably not, you call the ex a scumbag, say everything will be alright and go out for drinks arm in arm...

We all lie to:

A) save face at some point
B) say what others want to/need to hear
C) go along to get along at work

The only difference is the cultural boundary of how and when to lie is different here in Korea than in the "West". So it seems shocking when Koreans lie about something we would never feel the need to. Annoying? Yes. Is it that different from other cultures? No.

You wrote all that to just restate the obvious. And yeah where to draw the line isn't a small difference. It's actually a pretty big one when it comes to just about anything. We all lie, but where someone draws the line says a lot about their character in my opinion. If someone asks me my opinion on their clothing & they actually WANT my opinion, I give it honestly. If someone genuinely wants my opinion on their love life, I give it to them!

Haven't you ever known someone who exaggerates their stories or twists them to the point their word can't be trusted? Those people are not fun to be around vs someone who lies and tells you they like your new haircut when they really don't. It's all a matter of degree and the degree to which people lie here is uncomfortable to me. I expect adults to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. It's how I was raised, but "the truth" doesn't seem to be held in high regard here. I really don't feel the need to lie to just get through my day and the people who do feel the need aren't people I'd really like to be around.

I don't really understand the point of responses like this though. I've seen people spit back home a couple of times so does that mean I can't be tired of the hacking I can hear from my window and gobs of phlegm that litter the streets?

No one said Koreans invented lying so... no need to waste your time.

I'm surprised at your moral objection to lying, considering you admit to lying yourself. Is there a specific moral code to lying? What lying is acceptable and what is not? Please enlighten us as to the right way to lie.

I'm surprised you think there is NO moral code to lying. Everyone has to make one for themselves. That said.. who the hell raised you? I love coming onto waygook and seeing the low moral standards others set for themselves. It's fascinating.

I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on August 26, 2016, 10:38:14 AM
I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?
Every time they stop to rest!  :smiley:

(http://www.dogforum.com/attachments/3553d1300795580-zzz-let-sleeping-dogs-lie-zzz-scan0005.jpg)

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 26, 2016, 10:42:56 AM
I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 26, 2016, 11:22:13 AM
I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 26, 2016, 12:29:10 PM
Why does muggy/rainy weather instantly mean, "Open the windows and let the molten steam roll in."?!  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 26, 2016, 12:46:44 PM
I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.

Am I a liar because I blend in here? Lol.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on August 26, 2016, 12:51:40 PM
I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.

Am I a liar because I blend in here? Lol.

You're the biggest liar of them all. :wink:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on August 26, 2016, 02:06:53 PM
I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.
There is a difference between deceit and lies.
One doesn't necessarily need to lie in order to deceive.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mister Tim on August 26, 2016, 02:09:53 PM
This students in my first class after lunch today just trickled in, so I didn't have a complete class until five or six minutes after it was supposed to have started. That in and of itself is nothing out of the ordinary, and hardly worth a rant in here.

What got me was when one of the very last students to show up asked me if he could go get a drink of water as soon as sat down. I told him no, of course, because he had more than enough time during lunch and the 6 minutes it took him to get to class to stop and have something to drink.

After I told him no, though, he turned to my CoT and asked her in Korean if he could go get some water. I understood him, of course, and snapped at him (you can take the man out of the military, but...). Luckily my CoT backed me up on it, though it's a bit sad that I even need a CoT to back me up on it. That he even considered asking her to be a viable option says a lot about our status and authority here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 26, 2016, 02:17:33 PM
I was raised by a loving but strict pack of wolves. Now, I know what you're thinking. Oh, he was raised by wolves so that's why he thinks it's ok to lie. But let me ask you. Have you ever seen a wolf lie?

Wolves blend in well with their natural habitats to fool prey. They're basically liars by nature.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/27/article-0-16A9F9F4000005DC-882_964x581.jpg

Well, ok. But if you look at it that way then we are all liars because our armies use camouflage, too.

(https://s3.postimg.org/hjdnqy56r/tumblr_nr3a4o_Rb_Y41uaplymo4_400.gif)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 26, 2016, 02:18:08 PM
What got me was when one of the very last students to show up asked me if he could go get a drink of water as soon as sat down.

This drives me insane. You're already late, just drink some water or piss before you come to my class. I'm not going to be more mad that you're 8 mins late versus 6 mins late.

DERP
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 26, 2016, 02:20:15 PM
My name is Chinguetti.
Every time I see your posts now I sing

Knees weak, arms are heavy
There's kimchi on her apron already,
Ajumma's Chinguetti
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 26, 2016, 02:47:31 PM
Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on August 26, 2016, 02:50:02 PM
Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:

Wait.... what? No.  :shocked:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sinhead on August 26, 2016, 02:50:46 PM
Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:

Holy moly... nothing to add here except that is traumatising, and I hope you're ok!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on August 26, 2016, 02:50:47 PM
Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:

 :huh: :huh: :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: SkidMarx on August 26, 2016, 02:53:56 PM
Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:

This has been phasing in and out for years. When I first arrived in Osan in 2012 and did my medical check, they handed me a Q-tip and told me to have at it (in a public restroom too, how gauche). Subsequent years in other cities (Seoul and Yongin) didn't require that at all.

I don't know what they were looking for in 2012 but they sure as hell didn't find it up my ass.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 26, 2016, 02:54:39 PM
I'm not too traumatized, I got to probe my own self in the bathroom. It was just so awkward leading up to it. My coteacher just kept asking "is it possible?.. Inside you?" Over and over. Eventually she translated the word anus. And when I asked what it was testing for she didn't understand.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: DMZabductee on August 26, 2016, 03:00:02 PM
Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:

This has been phasing in and out for years. When I first arrived in Osan in 2012 and did my medical check, they handed me a Q-tip and told me to have at it (in a public restroom too, how gauche). Subsequent years in other cities (Seoul and Yongin) didn't require that at all.

I don't know what they were looking for in 2012 but they sure as hell didn't find it up my ass.

What in the actual ****? What are they looking for UP OUR ASSES?

I have an upcoming medical exam. I am now slightly uneasy...    :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 26, 2016, 03:01:36 PM
My name is Chinguetti.
Every time I see your posts now I sing

Knees weak, arms are heavy
There's kimchi on her apron already,
Ajumma's Chinguetti

Nice, I've always wanted a theme song. c:

Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:

BURN EVERYTHING NOW BURN IT ALLLLL
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 26, 2016, 03:04:33 PM
What are they looking for UP OUR ASSES?

Rectal Heroine Suppositories a la Trainspotting.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Zaiterade on August 26, 2016, 03:05:27 PM
That's it. Contract ended today. Flying home on monday after a weekend in Seoul one more time. Consider me a statistic of high turnover rates, yet also consider me a free man.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 26, 2016, 03:05:42 PM
I'm not too traumatized, I got to probe my own self in the bathroom. It was just so awkward leading up to it. My coteacher just kept asking "is it possible?.. Inside you?" Over and over. Eventually she translated the word anus. And when I asked what it was testing for she didn't understand.

Oh my god I am sorry but I can't help myself from laughing at "is it possible...inside you?" Were you at least given notice for this probing?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: The Arm on August 26, 2016, 03:07:59 PM
Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:

This has been phasing in and out for years. When I first arrived in Osan in 2012 and did my medical check, they handed me a Q-tip and told me to have at it (in a public restroom too, how gauche). Subsequent years in other cities (Seoul and Yongin) didn't require that at all.

I don't know what they were looking for in 2012 but they sure as hell didn't find it up my ass.

What in the actual ****? What are they looking for UP OUR ASSES?

I have an upcoming medical exam. I am now slightly uneasy...    :sad:

Sorry but there must be a misunderstanding here somewhere.

I assumed you meant the doctor wanted to check your prostate which is pretty normal if you're in one of the high risk age groups.

But you're saying you had to go into a bathroom and insert something into your own anus?  :huh: :huh: :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirgacheffe on August 26, 2016, 03:08:03 PM
That's it. Contract ended today. Flying home on monday after a weekend in Seoul one more time. Consider me a statistic of high turnover rates, yet also consider me a free man.

I think you're in the wrong thread. :laugh:



Also... I wish this was me right now. :sad: I cannot wait for the end of my contract. Just six more months...... The kids were annoying today, but that might have just been me. :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 26, 2016, 03:09:01 PM
I'm not too traumatized, I got to probe my own self in the bathroom. It was just so awkward leading up to it. My coteacher just kept asking "is it possible?.. Inside you?" Over and over. Eventually she translated the word anus. And when I asked what it was testing for she didn't understand.

Oh my god I am sorry but I can't help myself from laughing at "is it possible...inside you?" Were you at least given notice for this probing?

No notice, haha. When I got back from peeing on the drug test stick my co-teacher was in a heated debate with the nurse about it though.

She always asks if various things are "possible" and 90% of the time I don't know what she's talking about.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Aristocrat on August 26, 2016, 03:11:26 PM
I see a particular 6th grade class twice a week and gave them some very light homework for today. Assuming they could get away with it, almost half the class didn't do it. I wasn't having any of that, especially since the students who did do it put effort into their work.

Usually, I'd give them a sentence to write out (I must do my homework etc.). However, it seems like this is the same as normal homework they get from Korean English teachers, who have nary the understanding nor the comprehension to mark anything other than spelling or simple grammar.
This semester, I decided to make them actually think while doing punishment and dread doing it in the future, I gave them 60 trisyllabic words to write out.

I explained what a trisyllabic word was and gave two examples. Furthermore, I give punishment as homework, not classwork, since I want them to pay attention to the lesson... Except one student, who I'll get to in a bit, who was rude on top of not doing his homework, he got 100.
The students immediately began protesting that they didn't know what it was etc.
By a show of hands, I asked students to show if the owned a smartphone, computer and/or had internet access (all hands went up). "Right", I said, "You can use your computers and smartphones for something other than gaming and Kakao, and find trisyllabic words in online dictionaries".
I didn't want to spell out that you could simply put "trisyllabic words" in Naver and get a list.

After class, one kid claims he's already done his and shows me his book with hundreds of random English words written, in no discernible order, most of which were not trisyllabic. I can't believe how spoilt, entitled and useless these kids can be, when given a task that requires thought and initiative. Punishment is supposed to be unpleasant.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: SkidMarx on August 26, 2016, 03:21:18 PM
But you're saying you had to go into a bathroom and insert something into your own anus?  :huh: :huh: :huh:

They gave me a long Q-tip attached to a lid, with a small bottle for it to be screwed on to and asked me to swab the inside of my asshole. I was expecting at least a handicapped bathroom like we would get when asked to do a piss test at home, but nope. Just a tiny stall, me, the Q-tip and the love of Christ. Still, I'd take this over a doctor doing it for me. No need for two people to be degraded.

Thankfully, I was mentally prepared for it since a fellow waygook teacher warned me. I still have no idea why I haven't done it since or why it is apparently making a come back.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: zola on August 26, 2016, 03:25:53 PM
Sounds like a fecal occult blood test.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 26, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
I see a particular 6th grade class twice a week and gave them some very light homework for today. Assuming they could get away with it, almost half the class didn't do it. I wasn't having any of that, especially since the students who did do it put effort into their work.

Usually, I'd give them a sentence to write out (I must do my homework etc.). However, it seems like this is the same as normal homework they get from Korean English teachers, who have nary the understanding nor the comprehension to mark anything other than spelling or simple grammar.
This semester, I decided to make them actually think while doing punishment and dread doing it in the future, I gave them 60 trisyllabic words to write out.

I explained what a trisyllabic word was and gave two examples. Furthermore, I give punishment as homework, not classwork, since I want them to pay attention to the lesson... Except one student, who I'll get to in a bit, who was rude on top of not doing his homework, he got 100.
The students immediately began protesting that they didn't know what it was etc.
By a show of hands, I asked students to show if the owned a smartphone, computer and/or had internet access (all hands went up). "Right", I said, "You can use your computers and smartphones for something other than gaming and Kakao, and find trisyllabic words in online dictionaries".
I didn't want to spell out that you could simply put "trisyllabic words" in Naver and get a list.

After class, one kid claims he's already done his and shows me his book with hundreds of random English words written, in no discernible order, most of which were not trisyllabic. I can't believe how spoilt, entitled and useless these kids can be, when given a task that requires thought and initiative. Punishment is supposed to be unpleasant.

Conversely, the reward system here seems nuts to me. No skin off my back usually since my co-ts are mostly in charge of that but I do periodically give out sweets for a job well done/completed work.

In the moment I'm like, "Yay, they're happy because they got chocolate!" but after class I realize how bizarre it is to get candy for making an effort in class.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: HaLo3 on August 26, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Not really upset, just mystified. I had class with the crazy kid from yesterday who attacked and broke my teachers desk over his phone. He was totally fine now, waved to me, said "Hi teacher!!" and carried on with his business. He had gotten no punishment even though he cussed me out and damaged school property. How can the school not punish him? That isn't the sort of behavior that is ok. Yet... it is?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Action Jackson on August 26, 2016, 04:38:31 PM
I left two weeks ago, but after 7 1/2 years in the land of kimchi smiles, I'm having a hard time breaking the habit of checking in to see what everyone is arguing about on waygook.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: donovan on August 27, 2016, 05:25:35 PM
I left two weeks ago, but after 7 1/2 years in the land of kimchi smiles, I'm having a hard time breaking the habit of checking in to see what everyone is arguing about on waygook.

Et tu, Jackson? You're gone? Paul stopped posting nearly a month ago. I haven't seen Johnny Russian in ages. Agent Michael Scarn left no trace after the Brexit( :cheesy:). Khavala got rid of his Emilio Esteves profile pic. Tamjen cut out I don't know how many months ago. TeresaD's husband with the Weird Al pic is nowhere to be found. NomadicMadda is running off to school. We're left here to fend for ourselves among the "eating dog in korea," "sh*t talkers," and "trouble among coworkers" threads that just won't die... :cry:

*I nearly forgot to mention the longstanding feud between warring factions now working itself out in full public view on the "korean shooting medals" thread.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 27, 2016, 11:31:50 PM
What got me was when one of the very last students to show up asked me if he could go get a drink of water as soon as sat down.

This drives me insane. You're already late, just drink some water or piss before you come to my class. I'm not going to be more mad that you're 8 mins late versus 6 mins late.

DERP

Please understand their situation. They have only been told no when it comes to not studying English. Everything else is ok. After all, the parents and the teachers already feel bad about that.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Whatgook on August 29, 2016, 08:40:48 AM
I left two weeks ago, but after 7 1/2 years in the land of kimchi smiles, I'm having a hard time breaking the habit of checking in to see what everyone is arguing about on waygook.

Et tu, Jackson? You're gone? Paul stopped posting nearly a month ago. I haven't seen Johnny Russian in ages. Agent Michael Scarn left no trace after the Brexit( :cheesy:). Khavala got rid of his Emilio Esteves profile pic. Tamjen cut out I don't know how many months ago. TeresaD's husband with the Weird Al pic is nowhere to be found. NomadicMadda is running off to school. We're left here to fend for ourselves among the "eating dog in korea," "sh*t talkers," and "trouble among coworkers" threads that just won't die... :cry:

*I nearly forgot to mention the longstanding feud between warring factions now working itself out in full public view on the "korean shooting medals" thread.

Don't forget we tragically lost our favourite crazy conspiracy theorist Kliuchevskoi a few weeks ago. Times are hard indeed. Scarn's still around though.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: zola on August 29, 2016, 08:49:18 AM
I'm pretty sure Kliuchevskoi has been reborn as Aurata. The guy with the cat as his pic.
Either that or there are two pathologically pro-Russian nut bars roaming around Korea.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 29, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
I left two weeks ago, but after 7 1/2 years in the land of kimchi smiles, I'm having a hard time breaking the habit of checking in to see what everyone is arguing about on waygook.

Et tu, Jackson? You're gone? Paul stopped posting nearly a month ago. I haven't seen Johnny Russian in ages. Agent Michael Scarn left no trace after the Brexit( :cheesy:). Khavala got rid of his Emilio Esteves profile pic. Tamjen cut out I don't know how many months ago. TeresaD's husband with the Weird Al pic is nowhere to be found. NomadicMadda is running off to school. We're left here to fend for ourselves among the "eating dog in korea," "sh*t talkers," and "trouble among coworkers" threads that just won't die... :cry:

*I nearly forgot to mention the longstanding feud between warring factions now working itself out in full public view on the "korean shooting medals" thread.

This does explain the lack of good entertainment on the forums these days, I was hoping everyone was just on vacation!!!

TeresaD's husband was banned immediately from waygook, apparently on a 15% warning... 15% warning and then BOOM!!! Gone!

Sooooo the routine teacher medical exam I just did now includes anal probing. It wouldn't have even been so terrible if my coteacher spoke English. I didn't understand which hole they wanted me to shove it in  :cry:

This has been phasing in and out for years. When I first arrived in Osan in 2012 and did my medical check, they handed me a Q-tip and told me to have at it (in a public restroom too, how gauche). Subsequent years in other cities (Seoul and Yongin) didn't require that at all.

I don't know what they were looking for in 2012 but they sure as hell didn't find it up my ass.

What in the actual ****? What are they looking for UP OUR ASSES?

I have an upcoming medical exam. I am now slightly uneasy...    :sad:

Sorry but there must be a misunderstanding here somewhere.

I assumed you meant the doctor wanted to check your prostate which is pretty normal if you're in one of the high risk age groups.

But you're saying you had to go into a bathroom and insert something into your own anus?  :huh: :huh: :huh:

Let's get back to this anal probe thing? Not sure I would actually do it. I would just give them back the clean Q-tip claiming religious reasons......  Also I asked a nurse friend and she said she knew it to be used to test for anal gonorrhea.   :blank:   
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 29, 2016, 09:38:55 AM
first graders  :evil:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 29, 2016, 10:06:10 AM

Let's get back to this anal probe thing? Not sure I would actually do it. I would just give them back the clean Q-tip claiming religious reasons......  Also I asked a nurse friend and she said she knew it to be used to test for anal gonorrhea.   :blank:

Yeah I gave a very feeble attempt and I don't actually think the test will produce any results.  I don't know if they'll let it go or make me redo it.. in which case I'd get to miss more school which wouldn't be the worst thing ever.  Though I don't feel like discussing it with my coteacher any more than I already had to.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 29, 2016, 10:13:17 AM

Let's get back to this anal probe thing? Not sure I would actually do it. I would just give them back the clean Q-tip claiming religious reasons......  Also I asked a nurse friend and she said she knew it to be used to test for anal gonorrhea.   :blank:

Yeah I gave a very feeble attempt and I don't actually think the test will produce any results.  I don't know if they'll let it go or make me redo it.. in which case I'd get to miss more school which wouldn't be the worst thing ever.  Though I don't feel like discussing it with my coteacher any more than I already had to.

Lol, I read this and looked over at my CT and thought "not ever ever having that discussion with her" NEVAH EVAH!!! Awkward. Very very awkward!!! But keep us updated on your anal adventures, I am sure it will help the rest of us prepare for possible uncomfortable encounters. (I wonder if only foreign teachers have to have the anal probe?)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 29, 2016, 10:15:40 AM
Also I just talked to a friend who also renewed and her exam didn't include the anal probing, so it must just be the weird hospital I went to. 

I really don't understand what the exam is for.  The day before I went to the immigration office and got that all sorted, so who even looks at my health results?  They're being mailed to my school.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on August 29, 2016, 10:33:41 AM
    So. Over the weekend I went for a walk among the rice fields behind my apartment to photograph the local wildlife.

    While doing so I slipped off the edge of the tiny little rice-field dike and rather than fall flat on my face in 10 cm of the most disgusting sludge imaginable, I fell in the opposite direction. Unfortunately for me, growing in the opposite direction were rows and rows of cultivated rose-bush-like plants with inch long thorns all of which immediately found delicate places in which to embed themselves before breaking off. After enduring a pretty thorough laughing-at, I made it home and spent a good 20 minutes with tweezers yanking the sodding things out.

    Of course, two days later, all the teeny tiny little stab wounds have become infected (and yeah, I did douse them with iodine when I got home).

    Anybody know anything about this plant so I can name it to the doctor when I go visit her this evening? It's about 2 meters tall, shrubby, has little fruit thingies that look a bit like small, unripe jube jubes, and has big ******* thorns that break off super duper easily.


    Here's a pic (zoom in to admire the thorns just below the spider!).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Lurch on August 29, 2016, 11:05:42 AM
First day back at school after vacation. Computer memory roasted over the break, so they replaced it and downgraded me to a barely functional 2gigs.

I was just informed of the mandatory 회식 today at 5:20pm. At 11am on the day of said 회식. I really wouldn't mind the free food if there were just more warning.

Apparently the minor drop in air temperature means no more air conditioning this year.

None of it surprises me anymore, but it's still infuriating.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 29, 2016, 11:21:35 AM
Anybody know anything about this plant so I can name it to the doctor when I go visit her this evening? It's about 2 meters tall, shrubby, has little fruit thingies that look a bit like small, unripe jube jubes, and has big ******* thorns that break off super duper easily.


    Here's a pic (zoom in to admire the thorns just below the spider!).

Ouch, sorry to hear this happened to you. :(

The name of that plant is the jujube tree (called 대추 in Korean). The berries are used for herbal tea.

And as an FYI to anyone else, I could be wrong, but I think that spider is Korea's native banana spider (they are venomous to humans, but they're also extremely passive and rarely bite -- I don't think the bites are venomous enough to cause death, either, but they're supposed to hurt like hell).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Andyroo on August 29, 2016, 11:30:29 AM
Also I just talked to a friend who also renewed and her exam didn't include the anal probing, so it must just be the weird hospital I went to. 

I know the anal probe health check is the cheaper one that restaurant staff have to get. They do that instead of blood tests etc and it is really cheap compared to the full one.

Personally I prefer to pay for the full one :)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kobayashi on August 29, 2016, 11:37:42 AM
after a bit of research it seems the q-tip anal test is for either gonnorhea (like someone mentioned) or Strep B during pregnancy.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 29, 2016, 01:46:22 PM
"야!"

"아 왜~~~~~~"

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: welcomebackkotter on August 29, 2016, 01:59:35 PM
No.

No no no.  No no, not gonna happen. Nope nope nope. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: robin_teacher on August 29, 2016, 02:01:56 PM
"야!"

"아 왜~~~~~~"

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

This resonates with me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 29, 2016, 02:18:06 PM

Apparently the minor drop in air temperature means no more air conditioning this year.


Yeah, I was loving the weather until I realized it means teaching in an 85 degree classroom.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kriztee on August 29, 2016, 02:33:37 PM
So many hornets o.o They've built a nest outside my classroom window but even with the aircon on my coteacher insists on opening the window AND SCREEN to let in the hornets which freaks out the kids then I have to wait for the hornets to land on out blinds and roll em up super quick so the hornets are trapped (holy run on sentence batman!). I let em stay in there overnight so they die then dispose of the bug corpse the next day but its so annoying O.o
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 29, 2016, 02:37:12 PM
So many hornets o.o They've built a nest outside my classroom window but even with the aircon on my coteacher insists on opening the window AND SCREEN to let in the hornets which freaks out the kids then I have to wait for the hornets to land on out blinds and roll em up super quick so the hornets are trapped (holy run on sentence batman!). I let em stay in there overnight so they die then dispose of the bug corpse the next day but its so annoying O.o

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read on waygook.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 30, 2016, 07:56:14 AM
Also I just talked to a friend who also renewed and her exam didn't include the anal probing, so it must just be the weird hospital I went to. 

I really don't understand what the exam is for.  The day before I went to the immigration office and got that all sorted, so who even looks at my health results?  They're being mailed to my school.
I also just had my medical test yesterday and no probing. Was worried about it since it was first mentioned... thanks to waygook.org  :P
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 30, 2016, 08:21:26 AM
Also I just talked to a friend who also renewed and her exam didn't include the anal probing, so it must just be the weird hospital I went to. 

I really don't understand what the exam is for.  The day before I went to the immigration office and got that all sorted, so who even looks at my health results?  They're being mailed to my school.
I also just had my medical test yesterday and no probing. Was worried about it since it was first mentioned... thanks to waygook.org  :P

Good to know, thank you!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: kyndo on August 30, 2016, 08:26:24 AM

Ouch, sorry to hear this happened to you. :(

The name of that plant is the jujube tree (called 대추 in Korean). The berries are used for herbal tea.

And as an FYI to anyone else, I could be wrong, but I think that spider is Korea's native banana spider (they are venomous to humans, but they're also extremely passive and rarely bite -- I don't think the bites are venomous enough to cause death, either, but they're supposed to hurt like hell).

Yeah, I was wondering if it was a jujube, but the leaves, and fruit were way to small, and the thorns disproportionately evil. Also, the plant looked more like a shrubbery than an actual tree.
Still, I went back and tasted a berry, and it was a jujube after all. According to my coworker, who first claimed total ignorance, the dwarf varieties of the plant can be grown closer together, and the fruit makes for better tea than the normal variety.
So anyway, good call Chinguetti (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0igcx2tYE8SKtDvGrN28xNx4IJmHvRWiIFSkzVVVEW1E8S2sx).  :smiley:

And "Banana Spider" seems like such an undignified name. I much prefer "Golden Orb-web Spider".
Did you know that some species of this family grow large enough to catch and eat small birds and snakes? In Taiwan I've seen some that were bigger than my hand (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4010/4591134503_6d4e078a91_z.jpg)!
Beautiful colours, but not a web I want to run into during my evening jog! :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: HaLo3 on August 30, 2016, 09:23:13 AM
Also I just talked to a friend who also renewed and her exam didn't include the anal probing, so it must just be the weird hospital I went to. 

I really don't understand what the exam is for.  The day before I went to the immigration office and got that all sorted, so who even looks at my health results?  They're being mailed to my school.
I also just had my medical test yesterday and no probing. Was worried about it since it was first mentioned... thanks to waygook.org  :P
Ah, same. I renewed, but haven't had the medical check and was getting a little worried about it now.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 30, 2016, 09:28:20 AM
Yeah, I was wondering if it was a jujube, but the leaves, and fruit were way to small, and the thorns disproportionately evil. Also, the plant looked more like a shrubbery than an actual tree.
Still, I went back and tasted a berry, and it was a jujube after all. According to my coworker, who first claimed total ignorance, the dwarf varieties of the plant can be grown closer together, and the fruit makes for better tea than the normal variety.
So anyway, good call Chinguetti (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0igcx2tYE8SKtDvGrN28xNx4IJmHvRWiIFSkzVVVEW1E8S2sx).  :smiley:

And "Banana Spider" seems like such an undignified name. I much prefer "Golden Orb-web Spider".
Did you know that some species of this family grow large enough to catch and eat small birds and snakes? In Taiwan I've seen some that were bigger than my hand (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4010/4591134503_6d4e078a91_z.jpg)!
Beautiful colours, but not a web I want to run into during my evening jog! :huh:

Yeah, I thought the plant was a little on the small side, too, but figured it was either very young or had been modified.

And "golden orb" or "banana", I touched one by accident last year. I was running my hands through some shrubs and felt something cold and rubbery, and, when I looked, there it was trying to shimmy away. *shudders* Thing looked like its body could cover half my palm.

AND I HAVEN'T RUN MY HANDS THROUGH SHRUBBERY AGAIN SINCE THEN

I don't think my brain could process touching one that's actually as big as my entire hand. Dx

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: sixtieshappy on August 30, 2016, 09:42:55 AM
Also I just talked to a friend who also renewed and her exam didn't include the anal probing, so it must just be the weird hospital I went to. 

I really don't understand what the exam is for.  The day before I went to the immigration office and got that all sorted, so who even looks at my health results?  They're being mailed to my school.
I also just had my medical test yesterday and no probing. Was worried about it since it was first mentioned... thanks to waygook.org  :P

Good to know, thank you!!!

At least I managed to terrify everyone  :evil:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JLCutler on August 30, 2016, 10:07:51 AM
A teacher in my office yawns constantly and he vocalizes every...single...one of them.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on August 30, 2016, 12:48:10 PM
We just got my schedule ironed out yesterday, so today I was putting together my schedule for the whole semester, seeing if there was time for supplemental culture classes or not. I found out that the frickin midterm is THE LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER which means that I can't even finish two chapters with the students because of Chuseok. I talked about it with my boss and she told me just to finish the listening section of chapter 7 by the midterm. Ok. Can do.

Except I already know there's going to be conflict over this. She never likes how I do things and I'd finally gotten down a half-decent system, and this is going to require that I deviate from it. Initially we were going to try to cram both chapters into the three class hours I have before midterms by skipping something, and I was talking with my coteacher saying that I was afraid the boss teacher was going to get mad at me because doing three pages in one class means that there won't be much time for non-textbook activities... aka the kids will be bored. She told me to just make a powerpoint with pictures that match their interests. Except that's what I've been trying to do anyways, and I just taught with her today and I thought that I had done a good job with the whole engaging pictures bit. Especially given that 90% of the class has me with the digital textbook on the screen (as per my coteachers' instructions) I don't know how I could add anything more to the class. It seems like my materials are never good enough but no one ever gives me suggestions for how to improve them, just "do that thing you're already trying to do except you're not doing it well enough."

After one time that my boss was particularly nasty to me after I had done my best to follow her extremely vague instructions which she refused to/couldn't clarify, I decided to just not try to interpret what she was saying anymore and not worry about whether it was possible and just do whatever she said. I thought I had finally figured out a system and it would be smooth sailing this semester in comparison to the first one which was hellish, but now I'm afraid I'm going to get more of the same harsh criticism followed by non-instructions on how to improve.

I was feeling so hopeful about this semester and that I'd finally settled in.  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: jocko6418 on August 30, 2016, 02:21:09 PM
I have no internet at home T.T

When I came back from vacation, there was no connection.  It turns out that the apartment building changed owners.  The old owner was providing internet service, but the new owner doesn't want to provide it anymore. 

So that means I need to buy the service.  Except because my school pays for my apartment, my co-teacher told me that the school has to be the one to sign the contract.

But she said the internet service provider she contacted want a minimum contract of 3 years!  ._.  So my other option is... to move.

So I'm moving at the end of September, and I have nothing to do at home until then.  I live in a small town, so I've been bored out of my mind.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JackRoxby on August 30, 2016, 02:39:50 PM
I have only been teaching for 3 months, I literally only have 3 months experience and thats it. For the next 5 weeks I have to run 3 hour teacher training sessions where I have to teach Korean English teachers from my whole area how to teach English. WHAT THE??????????

I don't even know where to start with it to be honest. I just know I am going to feel so condescending standing infront of that class of experienced teachers telling them how I think they should teach.

Talk about being thrown in the deep end.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 30, 2016, 02:51:04 PM
Maybe you could make it more of a discussion based/open type of forum? That way you could all learn from each other. If you're able, perhaps try being more of a facilitator
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JackRoxby on August 30, 2016, 02:55:09 PM
Maybe you could make it more of a discussion based/open type of forum? That way you could all learn from each other. If you're able, perhaps try being more of a facilitator

Yeah that's exactly what im going to do. Hopefully we can all bounce some good ideas off one another and it won't be as terrible as I am predicting it to be.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: antmar on August 30, 2016, 02:58:40 PM
My old co teacher is out on Maternity leave. She was great!

Now my new co teacher is an elderly woman who is overly strict and made me a "game" teacher. I will not survive the next 3 months with her... :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: dmcdonald02 on August 30, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
I am SO worried about that. My current co is pregnant and will be leaving on maternity leave by the end of the year. She is a fantastic co teacher and I would be lost without her.

I'm worried that my new co will either be a strict older teacher or a brand new teacher that doesn't know what to do.

Most of all, I'm worried that I won't have a co at all :shocked:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 30, 2016, 03:06:53 PM
One of co-teachers is gonna be on maternity leave next year. Hoping the new teacher will let me continue on as I have been because one of my favorite classes is at that school  :lipsrsealed:

I don't even know if my main coT is gonna be here next year or not. She has the option to apply for another year but hasn't decided yet, I guess. And I think my 3rd coT is a contract teacher cause she teaches at both my elementary schools so who knows if she'll be here next year or not.

Next spring is gonna be a year of change...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: chupacaubrey on August 30, 2016, 03:21:53 PM
^^^

We should start a "my co-teacher is pregnant and I am scared of the future" club.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 30, 2016, 03:34:09 PM
Seriously?! So many co teachers are going on mat leave right now... Mine leaves on Wednesday... but luckily the teacher who is taking her place is a coteacher who I've already taught with and like in general! Oh wait...wrong thread..  :smiley:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Mezoti97 on August 30, 2016, 03:45:14 PM
So that means I need to buy the service.  Except because my school pays for my apartment, my co-teacher told me that the school has to be the one to sign the contract.

But she said the internet service provider she contacted want a minimum contract of 3 years!  ._.  So my other option is... to move.

That's strange -- I don't know why your co-teacher told you that (the part about how your school has to sign the internet contract). I think she's mistaken -- I've lived in several school-provided apartments over the years and I was always the one who signed my internet contracts, even though my previous schools paid for my previous school-provided apartments. As for the part about the internet service provider she contacted wanting a minimum 3-year contract, unless you live in a very small rural town or something remote, there should be other options of internet companies available to choose from.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 30, 2016, 04:01:19 PM
So that means I need to buy the service.  Except because my school pays for my apartment, my co-teacher told me that the school has to be the one to sign the contract.

But she said the internet service provider she contacted want a minimum contract of 3 years!  ._.  So my other option is... to move.

That's strange -- I don't know why your co-teacher told you that (the part about how your school has to sign the internet contract). I think she's mistaken -- I've lived in several school-provided apartments over the years and I was always the one who signed my internet contracts, even though my previous schools paid for my previous school-provided apartments. As for the part about the internet service provider she contacted wanting a minimum 3-year contract, unless you live in a very small rural town or something remote, there should be other options of internet companies available to choose from.

I live hella rural and while I didn't sign up for internet, I did sign up for TV and it was just a 2-year contract (which I ended up canceling anyway cause I never watch Korean TV. Cancellation fee was the remainder of one year, so least I don't have to pay a 2nd year for something I never use :P).

Surely there's gotta be other options!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 31, 2016, 08:16:30 AM
So that means I need to buy the service.  Except because my school pays for my apartment, my co-teacher told me that the school has to be the one to sign the contract.

But she said the internet service provider she contacted want a minimum contract of 3 years!  ._.  So my other option is... to move.

Yeah, something isn't right here. I lived hella rural last year in a school apartment, signed my own internet contract for 2 years (They did give me the option of 1 year), which I just transferred with me when I moved.... My internet has nothing to do with the school or any of my landlords.

That's strange -- I don't know why your co-teacher told you that (the part about how your school has to sign the internet contract). I think she's mistaken -- I've lived in several school-provided apartments over the years and I was always the one who signed my internet contracts, even though my previous schools paid for my previous school-provided apartments. As for the part about the internet service provider she contacted wanting a minimum 3-year contract, unless you live in a very small rural town or something remote, there should be other options of internet companies available to choose from.

I live hella rural and while I didn't sign up for internet, I did sign up for TV and it was just a 2-year contract (which I ended up canceling anyway cause I never watch Korean TV. Cancellation fee was the remainder of one year, so least I don't have to pay a 2nd year for something I never use :P).

Surely there's gotta be other options!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 31, 2016, 08:54:31 AM
So that means I need to buy the service.  Except because my school pays for my apartment, my co-teacher told me that the school has to be the one to sign the contract.

But she said the internet service provider she contacted want a minimum contract of 3 years!  ._.  So my other option is... to move.

Yeah, something isn't right here. I lived hella rural last year in a school apartment, signed my own internet contract for 2 years (They did give me the option of 1 year), which I just transferred with me when I moved.... My internet has nothing to do with the school or any of my landlords.

That's strange -- I don't know why your co-teacher told you that (the part about how your school has to sign the internet contract). I think she's mistaken -- I've lived in several school-provided apartments over the years and I was always the one who signed my internet contracts, even though my previous schools paid for my previous school-provided apartments. As for the part about the internet service provider she contacted wanting a minimum 3-year contract, unless you live in a very small rural town or something remote, there should be other options of internet companies available to choose from.

I live hella rural and while I didn't sign up for internet, I did sign up for TV and it was just a 2-year contract (which I ended up canceling anyway cause I never watch Korean TV. Cancellation fee was the remainder of one year, so least I don't have to pay a 2nd year for something I never use :P).

Surely there's gotta be other options!

What is the point of this post. You quoted 3 either people and wrote nothing yourself. I see posts like this sometimes. What are you people doing?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: The Arm on August 31, 2016, 09:12:42 AM
I have only been teaching for 3 months, I literally only have 3 months experience and thats it. For the next 5 weeks I have to run 3 hour teacher training sessions where I have to teach Korean English teachers from my whole area how to teach English. WHAT THE??????????

I don't even know where to start with it to be honest. I just know I am going to feel so condescending standing infront of that class of experienced teachers telling them how I think they should teach.

Talk about being thrown in the deep end.

The stuff of nightmares.  I'd genuinely refuse to do it.  I usually bite my tongue and keep quiet about most things at my school but I'd draw the line there.

Do they know that you have no experience?  What do they expect you to tell them?   :huh:

"Teaching is a lot like an orange..."

(https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/marriageislikeanorange.png)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Chinguetti on August 31, 2016, 09:16:54 AM
What is the point of this post. You quoted 3 either people and wrote nothing yourself. I see posts like this sometimes. What are you people doing?

I wondered the same thing, and so far my leading theory is it's a way of saying "me too" without actually having to type anything out. xD
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Gasian on August 31, 2016, 09:37:05 AM
What is the point of this post. You quoted 3 either people and wrote nothing yourself. I see posts like this sometimes. What are you people doing?

I wondered the same thing, and so far my leading theory is it's a way of saying "me too" without actually having to type anything out. xD

I didn't preview my post before posting and somehow everything landed up in a quote. My bad.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on August 31, 2016, 09:40:50 AM
We just got my schedule ironed out yesterday, so today I was putting together my schedule for the whole semester, seeing if there was time for supplemental culture classes or not. I found out that the frickin midterm is THE LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER which means that I can't even finish two chapters with the students because of Chuseok. I talked about it with my boss and she told me just to finish the listening section of chapter 7 by the midterm. Ok. Can do.

Except I already know there's going to be conflict over this. She never likes how I do things and I'd finally gotten down a half-decent system, and this is going to require that I deviate from it. Initially we were going to try to cram both chapters into the three class hours I have before midterms by skipping something, and I was talking with my coteacher saying that I was afraid the boss teacher was going to get mad at me because doing three pages in one class means that there won't be much time for non-textbook activities... aka the kids will be bored. She told me to just make a powerpoint with pictures that match their interests. Except that's what I've been trying to do anyways, and I just taught with her today and I thought that I had done a good job with the whole engaging pictures bit. Especially given that 90% of the class has me with the digital textbook on the screen (as per my coteachers' instructions) I don't know how I could add anything more to the class. It seems like my materials are never good enough but no one ever gives me suggestions for how to improve them, just "do that thing you're already trying to do except you're not doing it well enough."

After one time that my boss was particularly nasty to me after I had done my best to follow her extremely vague instructions which she refused to/couldn't clarify, I decided to just not try to interpret what she was saying anymore and not worry about whether it was possible and just do whatever she said. I thought I had finally figured out a system and it would be smooth sailing this semester in comparison to the first one which was hellish, but now I'm afraid I'm going to get more of the same harsh criticism followed by non-instructions on how to improve.

I was feeling so hopeful about this semester and that I'd finally settled in.  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Sounds a lot like what I get at my travel MS. Except, I'm not even allowed to know what textbook they use. I have to make all my own lessons. No matter what I do, I only get harsh criticism (during the middle of a class and in front of the other students), and get told to improve. I managed to get a lid put on that for a while, as I got told "the previous teacher done it better" I asked to see some of the previous teachers work so I could get some direction. "We don't have any." to that I just said, well, I can't improve unless you tell me where I need to improve - they aren't willing to give me direction, so I have to figure everything out on my own. I don't really hear anything about my lessons now, unless they think they are the worst thing ever; which luckily for me, hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 31, 2016, 11:30:57 AM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: flyingspider on August 31, 2016, 12:03:38 PM
I wish my coteacher would realize that “Ah” is not is an acceptable answer to any question.

Me: “Did you print the worksheet?”
Her: “Aaahhhhh.”

Me: “Which powerpoint do you think is better?”
Her: ”Aaaaahhhhhh.” *nods emphatically*

Me: “How was your weekend?”
Her: “Aaaaahhhhhhh.” *goes back to her phone*

Getting a simple answer out of her that isn’t just "Aaaahhhhh" is like pulling teeth.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on August 31, 2016, 12:12:46 PM
My secret bathroom's MERS soap ran out today.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: denimdaze on August 31, 2016, 12:21:38 PM
My secret bathroom's MERS soap ran out today.
Soap in a bathroom..... What a novel concept!  :wink:

No soap in a bathroom is a pet peeve of mine.  Right up there with no paper towels or toilet paper.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: JahMoo on August 31, 2016, 12:24:24 PM
My secret bathroom's MERS soap ran out today.
Soap in a bathroom..... What a novel concept!  :wink:

No soap in a bathroom is a pet peeve of mine.  Right up there with no paper towels or toilet paper.

My desk drawer in my office contains hand sanitizer, hand lotion, napkins, and wet wipes for exactly this issue. I suggest everyone keep a supply of the essentials and lock that drawer too.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Dave Stepz on August 31, 2016, 12:53:14 PM
I have only been teaching for 3 months, I literally only have 3 months experience and thats it. For the next 5 weeks I have to run 3 hour teacher training sessions where I have to teach Korean English teachers from my whole area how to teach English. WHAT THE??????????

I don't even know where to start with it to be honest. I just know I am going to feel so condescending standing infront of that class of experienced teachers telling them how I think they should teach.

Talk about being thrown in the deep end.

Jack, at the moment it might seem daunting and pain in the ass but seriously they will probably turn out to be your favorite class you teach.  They already have a good level of English, they can read etc and also most have very funny ideas and interesting points of view.  I had teachers' classes for two years and I don't think that I ever had to 'teach' them.  Most of the time the teachers are happy to get away from school for a bit, so you act as a kind of chairman in the class.  You direct the conversation, think up the class plans.  You can teach different things, but they will enjoy discussion, learning about culture (British culture would be good for them), idioms etc.  In the first class do an introduction and some icebreakers for that class and then that is it.  Will help you get a feel for them, dominant teachers, their level etc.  You could even ask them what they want to do and then give them some ideas.  It is up to you, and from experience, they want to enjoy the class and will be willing to help you with it.  You can be open with them and tell them you are a little nervous, that is to be expected.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on August 31, 2016, 12:54:38 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 31, 2016, 01:00:07 PM
I have only been teaching for 3 months, I literally only have 3 months experience and thats it. For the next 5 weeks I have to run 3 hour teacher training sessions where I have to teach Korean English teachers from my whole area how to teach English. WHAT THE??????????

I don't even know where to start with it to be honest. I just know I am going to feel so condescending standing infront of that class of experienced teachers telling them how I think they should teach.

Talk about being thrown in the deep end.

Jack, at the moment it might seem daunting and pain in the ass but seriously they will probably turn out to be your favorite class you teach.  They already have a good level of English, they can read etc and also most have very funny ideas and interesting points of view.  I had teachers' classes for two years and I don't think that I ever had to 'teach' them.  Most of the time the teachers are happy to get away from school for a bit, so you act as a kind of chairman in the class.  You direct the conversation, think up the class plans.  You can teach different things, but they will enjoy discussion, learning about culture (British culture would be good for them), idioms etc.  In the first class do an introduction and some icebreakers for that class and then that is it.  Will help you get a feel for them, dominant teachers, their level etc.  You could even ask them what they want to do and then give them some ideas.  It is up to you, and from experience, they want to enjoy the class and will be willing to help you with it.  You can be open with them and tell them you are a little nervous, that is to be expected.

I know what you're saying but it's not an adult conversation class, it's a class that she will teach on "How  to teach English." I've been here 3 years and I still wouldn't want to teach that. She's been here 3 months.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: The Arm on August 31, 2016, 01:01:51 PM
I have only been teaching for 3 months, I literally only have 3 months experience and thats it. For the next 5 weeks I have to run 3 hour teacher training sessions where I have to teach Korean English teachers from my whole area how to teach English. WHAT THE??????????

I don't even know where to start with it to be honest. I just know I am going to feel so condescending standing infront of that class of experienced teachers telling them how I think they should teach.

Talk about being thrown in the deep end.

Jack, at the moment it might seem daunting and pain in the ass but seriously they will probably turn out to be your favorite class you teach.  They already have a good level of English, they can read etc and also most have very funny ideas and interesting points of view.  I had teachers' classes for two years and I don't think that I ever had to 'teach' them.  Most of the time the teachers are happy to get away from school for a bit, so you act as a kind of chairman in the class.  You direct the conversation, think up the class plans.  You can teach different things, but they will enjoy discussion, learning about culture (British culture would be good for them), idioms etc.  In the first class do an introduction and some icebreakers for that class and then that is it.  Will help you get a feel for them, dominant teachers, their level etc.  You could even ask them what they want to do and then give them some ideas.  It is up to you, and from experience, they want to enjoy the class and will be willing to help you with it.  You can be open with them and tell them you are a little nervous, that is to be expected.

I think he's being asked to run training sessions on how to teach English, rather than just teaching the teachers.

Like I said this morning I'd steer well clear of that  :huh:

EDIT:  Yea, what CO2 said above ^
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Dave Stepz on August 31, 2016, 01:17:13 PM
I think he's being asked to run training sessions on how to teach English, rather than just teaching the teachers.

Like I said this morning I'd steer well clear of that  :huh:

EDIT:  Yea, what CO2 said above ^

I know what you're saying but it's not an adult conversation class, it's a class that she will teach on "How  to teach English." I've been here 3 years and I still wouldn't want to teach that. She's been here 3 months.

Yep, see what you're both saying.  That could be hard if it is strictly that.  When I was given the teachers' classes, it was simply 'teaching the teachers' classes.  This could be similar, depends on the scope.  At the beginning of the year, I taught the teachers different ways to teach reading to students, using prediction, visualising, inferring and summarising.  Not ways they'd heard of before, could be a start.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 31, 2016, 02:22:42 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on August 31, 2016, 02:34:46 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

I've done the speaking Korean with co-workers thing and it's hit or miss. Some of them are really cool about it and others are complete dicks.

There is a degree of mocking that is seen as acceptable here that I haven't found elsewhere when a non-native speaks the language.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on August 31, 2016, 02:39:32 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Pennypie on August 31, 2016, 02:44:17 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(


Out of interest, how did you know they were mocking you? I don't mean that in a I don't believe you way but did they say it English or Korean?


I've had this happen countless times, people laughing in my face or bluntly correcting me on the smallest thing, at first I took it very personally and it would piss me off but now I've studied more and been here longer I sort of get that it's rarely meant in a bad way.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: cjszk on August 31, 2016, 02:45:10 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

This behavior is actually common among some co-teachers who teach with foreigners who try to learn Korean as a brand new second language. I can't exactly put my finger down on the reason 100% accurately, but I suspect it has to do with the co-teacher's own insecurities as well as the foreign teacher's intellect suddenly seeming to drop down an entire 40 IQ points as they struggle with a new language. I doubt that the CTs who mock the poster's Korean pronunciation would say the same to a stranger on the street, but they would probably still feel offended if a very foreign looking person who looks like they should speak English tries to speak Korean to them.

Most CTs who mock foreigner's pronunciation of Korean also have an insecurity about their own English pronunciation and an obsession with perfectionism.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on August 31, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
Re: current conversation on learning Korean

Anyone else get the Korean StareTM? You know, when you say something in what you know is perfectly comprehensible Korean and they look at you like you just sprouted a second head and don't even respond to what you said? I feel like that's definitely been the biggest deterrent to me learning Korean in Korea. I still study vocab every day and I got a dang minor in Korean back in university,  but both while studying abroad in Korea and now that I'm working here I felt that Koreans really don't want to speak to Korean language learners.

Probably even worse is when you're struggling to express yourself and they don't offer any words to help. Personally, even before getting licensed to teach and coming over here, if I was talking to a non-native speaker and what they were saying was confusing, I'd ask clarifying questions or suggest words or rephrase what they were saying to make sure I understood. I never get that here. Just the blank stare. Talk about demoralizing!

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: CO2 on August 31, 2016, 02:55:08 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(


Out of interest, how did you know they were mocking you? I don't mean that in a I don't believe you way but did they say it English or Korean?


I've had this happen countless times, people laughing in my face or bluntly correcting me on the smallest thing, at first I took it very personally and it would piss me off but now I've studied more and been here longer I sort of get that it's rarely meant in a bad way.

It depends, if you're constantly being stopped over minor grammatical stuff, that's shitty. As long as my message is getting through, then listen and we can talk about some of the mistakes I made later.

I asked my GF how to say "your" and she said 너의. Boom, put that in the memory for her brother's wedding tomorrow.

We arrived, and my GF's mom was wearing a hanbok so I started to say "너의 한복 정말 예쁜에요" Gotta put the yo on there, it's my GF's mom!

As soon as I said hanbok my GF yells at me "엄마의!"  >:(

Jesus Christ, I'm trying to tell someone that what they're wearing is nice. Can I at least finish the goddamn sentence before I get the whole nine yards? And everyone knows my Korean was shit back then, I would never refer to someone in the third person. When I'm talking to you, it's you. Cut me some damn slack.

I didn't say a single word in Korean the rest of the wedding. "Why were you so quiet for the reception?"

Oh, I don't know, getting snapped at on the second word out of my mouth didn't help.   :rolleyes:

If you honestly don't understand the point someone is trying to make, ASK for clarification. If they're screwing up now and then, keep them talking, they'll learn a lot more by practicing, not from a "real-time correction service."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on August 31, 2016, 03:01:00 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(


Out of interest, how did you know they were mocking you? I don't mean that in a I don't believe you way but did they say it English or Korean?


I've had this happen countless times, people laughing in my face or bluntly correcting me on the smallest thing, at first I took it very personally and it would piss me off but now I've studied more and been here longer I sort of get that it's rarely meant in a bad way.

Was said in English, they were getting angry, you could tell by tone of voice and facial expressions. I don't remember the exact things said, but it was pretty close to what I mentioned - hate foreigners mocking their language. It was very discouraging. Also, they have never offered to let me practice with them again and don't even encourage me to try anymore. Both stopped after that failed attempt.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on August 31, 2016, 03:05:57 PM
Re: current conversation on learning Korean

Anyone else get the Korean StareTM? You know, when you say something in what you know is perfectly comprehensible Korean and they look at you like you just sprouted a second head and don't even respond to what you said? I feel like that's definitely been the biggest deterrent to me learning Korean in Korea. I still study vocab every day and I got a dang minor in Korean back in university,  but both while studying abroad in Korea and now that I'm working here I felt that Koreans really don't want to speak to Korean language learners.

Probably even worse is when you're struggling to express yourself and they don't offer any words to help. Personally, even before getting licensed to teach and coming over here, if I was talking to a non-native speaker and what they were saying was confusing, I'd ask clarifying questions or suggest words or rephrase what they were saying to make sure I understood. I never get that here. Just the blank stare. Talk about demoralizing!

The bolded part I do all the time with my Non-english native friends. I will only correct it if they really need a high level english for work or school. For outside of school I go by, if I understood it, it's fine.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: cjszk on August 31, 2016, 03:10:34 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(


Out of interest, how did you know they were mocking you? I don't mean that in a I don't believe you way but did they say it English or Korean?


I've had this happen countless times, people laughing in my face or bluntly correcting me on the smallest thing, at first I took it very personally and it would piss me off but now I've studied more and been here longer I sort of get that it's rarely meant in a bad way.

Was said in English, they were getting angry, you could tell by tone of voice and facial expressions. I don't remember the exact things said, but it was pretty close to what I mentioned - hate foreigners mocking their language. It was very discouraging. Also, they have never offered to let me practice with them again and don't even encourage me to try anymore. Both stopped after that failed attempt.

It sounds to me like they mocked you so that you would give up trying to learn Korean because they want you to only speak English. It is 100% beneficial for them if you speak English only. It is not beneficial for them to have you speak Korean, and it takes a lot of effort to teach a beginner a new language. They probably don't like the effort part either. A lot of Koreans like foreigners who speak Korean because it is convenient. However, the Koreans who try hard to learn English really dislike foreigners who try to learn Korean. They see them as an obstacle, and why should they teach a foreigner Korean when they can get 100% English-only immersion from another?

If your Korean CTs are serious about learning English, it's very likely they hold insecurities about their own English pronunciation, so they mock your Korean, don't want to put forth effort to teach you Korean because they only want your English, so on so forth.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: z80 on August 31, 2016, 03:16:19 PM
Could it be that Koreans inability to learn English and their inability to teach Korean are the same thing?

Anyway, I have worked out there is no need to learn Korean simply because it's a language that offers no opportunity.

If a non English speaking person learns English, it's a great advantage for them. There are other advantages for an English speaking people to learn other languages too, for example you can learn Spanish, and that allows you to do all sorts of things and opens new relationships with people of many different cultures. What does learning Korean as a foreigner enable you to do? Teach at a hagwon once the government scraps EPIK for $2000 a month living in a mold infested 1 room?

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: moonbrie on August 31, 2016, 03:19:33 PM
We just got my schedule ironed out yesterday, so today I was putting together my schedule for the whole semester, seeing if there was time for supplemental culture classes or not. I found out that the frickin midterm is THE LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER which means that I can't even finish two chapters with the students because of Chuseok. I talked about it with my boss and she told me just to finish the listening section of chapter 7 by the midterm. Ok. Can do.

Except I already know there's going to be conflict over this. She never likes how I do things and I'd finally gotten down a half-decent system, and this is going to require that I deviate from it. Initially we were going to try to cram both chapters into the three class hours I have before midterms by skipping something, and I was talking with my coteacher saying that I was afraid the boss teacher was going to get mad at me because doing three pages in one class means that there won't be much time for non-textbook activities... aka the kids will be bored. She told me to just make a powerpoint with pictures that match their interests. Except that's what I've been trying to do anyways, and I just taught with her today and I thought that I had done a good job with the whole engaging pictures bit. Especially given that 90% of the class has me with the digital textbook on the screen (as per my coteachers' instructions) I don't know how I could add anything more to the class. It seems like my materials are never good enough but no one ever gives me suggestions for how to improve them, just "do that thing you're already trying to do except you're not doing it well enough."

After one time that my boss was particularly nasty to me after I had done my best to follow her extremely vague instructions which she refused to/couldn't clarify, I decided to just not try to interpret what she was saying anymore and not worry about whether it was possible and just do whatever she said. I thought I had finally figured out a system and it would be smooth sailing this semester in comparison to the first one which was hellish, but now I'm afraid I'm going to get more of the same harsh criticism followed by non-instructions on how to improve.

I was feeling so hopeful about this semester and that I'd finally settled in.  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Sounds a lot like what I get at my travel MS. Except, I'm not even allowed to know what textbook they use. I have to make all my own lessons. No matter what I do, I only get harsh criticism (during the middle of a class and in front of the other students), and get told to improve. I managed to get a lid put on that for a while, as I got told "the previous teacher done it better" I asked to see some of the previous teachers work so I could get some direction. "We don't have any." to that I just said, well, I can't improve unless you tell me where I need to improve - they aren't willing to give me direction, so I have to figure everything out on my own. I don't really hear anything about my lessons now, unless they think they are the worst thing ever; which luckily for me, hasn't happened yet.

I typed a response to this but it seems to have not posted??

So far in my anticipation of possible conflict I've decided to adopt the approach of "be annoyingly proactive." I've asked the head english teacher after every one of our classes together if she thought it went well, what she thought of the powerpoint, if the activities were good, etc. She told me to change the powerpoint so each practice sentence was on a different slide, I did, she seemed pleased. The classes I have with her are by far the worst-behaved and least-engaged of my 21 classes - I'm pretty sure it's because she perpetuates a pretty terrible classroom environment - and I feel like sometimes she blames it on me. I know it's her though because my other 17 classes are generally really manageable, even the low-level ones lol.

I actually was given some powerpoints made by an earlier teacher at the beginning of the school year, but because they weren't made to be distributed, they had no notes and I couldn't really figure out how they fit into the lesson. They didn't understand that what they had given me was pretty much useless in terms of understanding what they wanted me to do lol. But I think I've found my way now.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on August 31, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(


Out of interest, how did you know they were mocking you? I don't mean that in a I don't believe you way but did they say it English or Korean?


I've had this happen countless times, people laughing in my face or bluntly correcting me on the smallest thing, at first I took it very personally and it would piss me off but now I've studied more and been here longer I sort of get that it's rarely meant in a bad way.

I see mocking as a verb. They do it. Their intent is kind of meaningless at that point.
I've had people mock me and haven't cared. I've also bitten peoples heads off for it. Mostly it depends on how much I like them.

The one that stands out most was actually not speaking but writing. I was told to write stuff in Korean. I did. Then (some of) my CTs sat around a computer and laughed at it under the assumption I was unaware what they were talking about. Then they told me to take it home and have me wife re-write it. I refused. We never got along after that.

Another example, I've had multiple people call my speaking 'cute.' Some people it was cool and funny. Others I hated for it. Like I said above, it depends on how much I like them.

Also, this hasn't happened for a long time now. Both events I mentioned above happened in my first year. I'm now in my third with a TOPIK 5 under my belt and speak Korean all of the time when I'm not teaching without issue. (Tbf, I also like all of my CTs for the first time ever. So the small stuff slides off easier.)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on August 31, 2016, 03:24:11 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(


Out of interest, how did you know they were mocking you? I don't mean that in a I don't believe you way but did they say it English or Korean?


I've had this happen countless times, people laughing in my face or bluntly correcting me on the smallest thing, at first I took it very personally and it would piss me off but now I've studied more and been here longer I sort of get that it's rarely meant in a bad way.

It depends, if you're constantly being stopped over minor grammatical stuff, that's shitty. As long as my message is getting through, then listen and we can talk about some of the mistakes I made later.

I asked my GF how to say "your" and she said 너의. Boom, put that in the memory for her brother's wedding tomorrow.

We arrived, and my GF's mom was wearing a hanbok so I started to say "너의 한복 정말 예쁜에요" Gotta put the yo on there, it's my GF's mom!

As soon as I said hanbok my GF yells at me "엄마의!"  >:(

Jesus Christ, I'm trying to tell someone that what they're wearing is nice. Can I at least finish the goddamn sentence before I get the whole nine yards? And everyone knows my Korean was shit back then, I would never refer to someone in the third person. When I'm talking to you, it's you. Cut me some damn slack.

I didn't say a single word in Korean the rest of the wedding. "Why were you so quiet for the reception?"

Oh, I don't know, getting snapped at on the second word out of my mouth didn't help.   :rolleyes:

If you honestly don't understand the point someone is trying to make, ASK for clarification. If they're screwing up now and then, keep them talking, they'll learn a lot more by practicing, not from a "real-time correction service."

Ah the family screw ups. Looking back you can probably see how bad it is but I've done the same thing and the backlash always seems so harsh to what was done wrong.

I'll just say that i get you on this one.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Loki88 on August 31, 2016, 03:25:54 PM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(


Out of interest, how did you know they were mocking you? I don't mean that in a I don't believe you way but did they say it English or Korean?


I've had this happen countless times, people laughing in my face or bluntly correcting me on the smallest thing, at first I took it very personally and it would piss me off but now I've studied more and been here longer I sort of get that it's rarely meant in a bad way.

Was said in English, they were getting angry, you could tell by tone of voice and facial expressions. I don't remember the exact things said, but it was pretty close to what I mentioned - hate foreigners mocking their language. It was very discouraging. Also, they have never offered to let me practice with them again and don't even encourage me to try anymore. Both stopped after that failed attempt.

It sounds to me like they mocked you so that you would give up trying to learn Korean because they want you to only speak English. It is 100% beneficial for them if you speak English only. It is not beneficial for them to have you speak Korean, and it takes a lot of effort to teach a beginner a new language. They probably don't like the effort part either. A lot of Koreans like foreigners who speak Korean because it is convenient. However, the Koreans who try hard to learn English really dislike foreigners who try to learn Korean. They see them as an obstacle, and why should they teach a foreigner Korean when they can get 100% English-only immersion from another?

If your Korean CTs are serious about learning English, it's very likely they hold insecurities about their own English pronunciation, so they mock your Korean, don't want to put forth effort to teach you Korean because they only want your English, so on so forth.

This is also possible. I had one CT that would never speak with me in Korean under any circumstance. She viewed English conversation for her (and my other CTs) as part of my job.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 31, 2016, 03:33:01 PM
my lazy coT is the only one who's ever given me guff about attempting to speak Korean (which, given her antics that have compelled me to overuse the ranting threads, wasn't at all surprising). Thus, I rarely ever speak Korean around her. One time she was using one of my class periods to catch up on the book and randomly asked me to pronounce random English words and then Korean syllables. Not sure if she was trying to show the class my pronunciation of Korean is off or whatever but none of my students laughed (cause they like me.. dare I say more? hahahah) and they seemed just as confused as I was.

She also thinks my purpose is to just speak English all the time to expose others to it. However, I get the feeling all the others in my elem. schools don't care and would feel more comfortable if I tried to speak Korean to them. I vaguely suspect she likes to feel important being the translator so she might feel less sparkly if I picked up more Korean.

Everyone in my main office is very encouraging even when I speak very, very basic Korean. Until I took a free online course (Yonsei!!) and did some self study with Sogang's free online lessons, I didn't realize I was leaving out articles from my simple sentences. Nobody ever told me otherwise, I guess they figured "we can understand you! so it's all good" which is kinda my take on English unless the person specifically asks me to correct their English because they want to improve.

One time my principal burst out laughing at something I said (because apparently it was a child's word I learned growing up but never knew the grown-up word for ;-_-) but I knew it wasn't out of ill intent. He was genuinely taken by surprise and since a lot of Koreans think I look like a middle schooler, probably thought along the lines of "oh how cute!" One time I said hello in Korean to my travel middle school principal and he just went "Aigoo!" like I was a child.

Not everyone's a douchehammer here though they certainly exist.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: The Arm on August 31, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
The two biggest things that put me off continuing to study Korean:

- Anything less than absolute accuracy with grammar, pronunciation and politeness (see CO2's story), then you might as well be speaking Swahili to a Korean person.

- Koreans never, ever slow down when speaking Korean to a foreigner.  It's like an alien concept to them. 

I can't remember who it was but someone on this site made a great point about speaking English to a Korean person; you have to constantly "ride the brake".  I can't understand why Koreans don't do it for us.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: yirj17 on August 31, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
Because I blend in, I generally have the problem of Koreans assuming I speak Korean. I've lost count of how many old people like trying to talk to me-- and even after I tell them I don't speak much Korean, they kinda just give me a [blank?] stare and then continue talking at me in Korean. Some old folks just like talkin' I guess
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Somebody on August 31, 2016, 11:56:10 PM
The two biggest things that put me off continuing to study Korean:

- Anything less than absolute accuracy with grammar, pronunciation and politeness (see CO2's story), then you might as well be speaking Swahili to a Korean person.

- Koreans never, ever slow down when speaking Korean to a foreigner.  It's like an alien concept to them. 

I can't remember who it was but someone on this site made a great point about speaking English to a Korean person; you have to constantly "ride the brake".  I can't understand why Koreans don't do it for us.

Students will put on the brake. You can learn a lot from them. Adults don't care. For them, it would be the equivalant of trying to speak English with a foreigner in a check out lane for us.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
Post by: Kayos on September 01, 2016, 07:54:29 AM
I've been here for 5 years now and I am not fluent in Korean as much as I feel I should be. I studied for a while during my 2nd and 3rd year. I got kinda sick of studying and decided I wasn't going to be here much longer but I was wrong. I did learn a lot on my own watching dramas and speaking to people, and a little big of vocab study here and there but I've recently decided to get back into study and am going to take the beginners TOPIK exam in November. The grammar sucks so much and I'm so frustrated but trying really hard. I don't want to take a class so using Talk To Me in Korean books to study on my own.  힘들어요~

I came here with wanting to learn Korean in mind as well. A lot of my co-teachers who speak a bit of English were encouraging me to learn Korean, and even said I could practice with them, and this is as far as I got (other than learning the random word here and there).

I opened my book, the first bit was learning: My name is is (I think it was Je *name* imnida. and What is your name? (can't remember that at all) - I go to a few of my co-teachers to let them know I have started learning and just wanted to practice that little bit with them - they were fine with it as they weren't busy. The my name bit was good. What is your name though... I struggled greatly with the pronunciation, and all I got was "You are saying it wrong! Damn I hate foreigners mocking my language!" (not exact words, but it's close enough) after getting that from a few of the teachers, I said screw learning Korean. I can say hello and thank you, that is good enough for me until I leave. (While I have only been here 4 months, I'm still deciding if I'll renew; If I do, my 2nd year will be my last, then I will move on to China or Japan - probably Japan though.

I've heard of lots of other foreigners getting the same kind of treatment to learning Korean in Korea as well. As someone who loves learning languages, Korean is the first that I have ever given up on so quickly. (Korean would have been my 6th language if I wasn't discouraged). Of the 5 I have learnt, English and Japanese are the only ones I can really use, if only a little (Japanese), the other 3 I haven't done anything with for 15 years, so have forgotten all of it :P
I've never been mocked for speaking Korean. I've actually been told my pronunciation is pretty good. Sorry you had that experience. I would never ask my co workers to help though, personally. I joined a language exchange group and that is a little bit more comfortable for me. Maybe you should find one in your area?

It wasn't that I was getting mocked, they just seemed to be personally taking offense to me not getting it on the first try. I get told I have perfect pronunciation on the few things I know (mostly words that sounds very similar to Japanese words, so it makes them easy for me), but when they don't have that similarity, I am struggling a lot.

As for the language exchange, I got told on my first day about a group that does it, but no one seems to have any information on when and where they meet. :/ Or if it is still going.
I have a couple Korean friends I probably could practice, but they are not anywhere near me and often busy. :( which is why I jumped at my co-teachers offers to practice initially. I figured, they are teachers, they understand the difficulties of learning other languages, it should be ok.
I know of one a town over from me, but they meet on a day / time that I can't make it. :(


Out of interest, how did you know they were mocking you? I don't mean that in a I don't believe you way but did they say it English or Korean?


I've had this happen countless times, people laughing in my face or bluntly correcting me on the smallest thing, at first I took it very personally and it would piss me off but now I've studied more and been here longer I sort of get that it's rarely meant in a bad way.

Was said in English, they were getting angry, you could tell by tone of voice and facial expressions. I don't remember the exact things said, but it was pretty close to what I mentioned - hate foreigners mocking their language. It was very discouraging. Also, they have never offered to let me practice with them again and don't even encourage me to try anymore. Both stopped after that failed attempt.

It sounds to me like they mocked you so that you would give up trying to learn Korean because they want you to only speak English. It is 100% beneficial for