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Title: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: kengreen on August 09, 2018, 12:05:33 PM
Alex Jones got banned from YouTube, Facebook, Apple, etc. Sad to see him go. I always knew that Alex is full of crap on a lot of issues, but he is entertaining all the same. I can't figure out why liberals hate free speech. Oh well. There are lots of other platforms out there. I'm sure he'll pop back up before too long.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: plan b on August 09, 2018, 12:18:38 PM
Big Tech collusion at its worst. Liberals are the most intolerant people in the world.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 09, 2018, 12:57:38 PM
Won't someone please think about our nation's "vitamin" supplement, survival seed bank, and emergency ration manufacturers. This move could put them and their workers out of business!

All kidding aside, and I don't want to defend Alex Jones, but this is a pretty bad trend. I'm more worried about the smaller content creators. Vox already had a video out debating whether people like Cernovich and Candace Owens should be banned.

Journalism and freedom of the press is the freedom of anyone to publish any viewpoint that our constitution has deemed acceptable. It does not mean that only a certain licensed elite get to be termed "the press".
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 09, 2018, 01:46:11 PM
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Journalism and freedom of the press is the freedom of anyone to publish any viewpoint that our constitution has deemed acceptable. It does not mean that only a certain licensed elite get to be termed "the press".

Alex Jones hasn't been thrown in jail. He is free to publish his viewpoints on any platform that will have him. The fact that several private companies decided they didn't want to host his murder threats, mocking of murder victims and regular stoking of armed uprising rhetoric should be seen as a validation of the free market principles that conservatives are meant to hold so dear. He made a toxic product that major suppliers decided they didn't want. If he can find other suppliers who do want it, they can compete with Apple, YouTube, etc. in the open market.

But yeah, it's definitely the fault of intolerant liberals that a swindling, self-aggrandizing narcissist decided to make a bunch of videos glorifying violence and promoting the harassment of shooting victims. Personally, I blame university professors teaching postmodernism in English lit courses.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Savant on August 09, 2018, 01:53:58 PM
If you're going to sue the parents of the "Sandy Hook Shooting" then you deserve to be run out of town. In fact, you should be taken out of town and given a serious beating.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 09, 2018, 02:12:29 PM
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Journalism and freedom of the press is the freedom of anyone to publish any viewpoint that our constitution has deemed acceptable. It does not mean that only a certain licensed elite get to be termed "the press".

Alex Jones hasn't been thrown in jail. He is free to publish his viewpoints on any platform that will have him. The fact that several private companies decided they didn't want to host his murder threats, mocking of murder victims and regular stoking of armed uprising rhetoric should be seen as a validation of the free market principles that conservatives are meant to hold so dear. He made a toxic product that major suppliers decided they didn't want. If he can find other suppliers who do want it, they can compete with Apple, YouTube, etc. in the open market.

But yeah, it's definitely the fault of intolerant liberals that a swindling, self-aggrandizing narcissist decided to make a bunch of videos glorifying violence and promoting the harassment of shooting victims. Personally, I blame university professors teaching postmodernism in English lit courses.

Are Youtube, Facebook, etc. publishers or distribution platforms? Now combine that with what I think is the inevitability that the internet and it's forums, particularly sites like youtube, twitter, and facebook (not necessarily so much itunes) will be seen as "the public square" by the courts, and you are going to have a sticky situation. This is before we get to the issue of whether or not they constitute monopolies and are acting like trusts.

If youtube is going to say that Alex Jones violates certain parts of its TOS, then they better make sure they apply that across the board. If not, then they could be in trouble. If they are going to claim that they have every right to favor a certain point of view and no obligation to be neutral, then that is going to open up a whole nother can of worms.

I think this is going to result in unintended consequences such that those who favor this at the moment will later live to regret it. I say better to let Alex Jones rant and rave and people to ridicule him than to embark upon this path.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: pit23 on August 09, 2018, 02:42:54 PM
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Journalism and freedom of the press is the freedom of anyone to publish any viewpoint that our constitution has deemed acceptable. It does not mean that only a certain licensed elite get to be termed "the press".

Alex Jones hasn't been thrown in jail. He is free to publish his viewpoints on any platform that will have him. The fact that several private companies decided they didn't want to host his murder threats, mocking of murder victims and regular stoking of armed uprising rhetoric should be seen as a validation of the free market principles that conservatives are meant to hold so dear. He made a toxic product that major suppliers decided they didn't want. If he can find other suppliers who do want it, they can compete with Apple, YouTube, etc. in the open market.

But yeah, it's definitely the fault of intolerant liberals that a swindling, self-aggrandizing narcissist decided to make a bunch of videos glorifying violence and promoting the harassment of shooting victims. Personally, I blame university professors teaching postmodernism in English lit courses.

Are Youtube, Facebook, etc. publishers or distribution platforms? Now combine that with what I think is the inevitability that the internet and it's forums, particularly sites like youtube, twitter, and facebook (not necessarily so much itunes) will be seen as "the public square" by the courts, and you are going to have a sticky situation. This is before we get to the issue of whether or not they constitute monopolies and are acting like trusts.

If youtube is going to say that Alex Jones violates certain parts of its TOS, then they better make sure they apply that across the board. If not, then they could be in trouble. If they are going to claim that they have every right to favor a certain point of view and no obligation to be neutral, then that is going to open up a whole nother can of worms.

I think this is going to result in unintended consequences such that those who favor this at the moment will later live to regret it. I say better to let Alex Jones rant and rave and people to ridicule him than to embark upon this path.

Alex Jones is doing a little bit more than just "ranting and raving."
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: eggieguffer on August 09, 2018, 02:50:25 PM
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If youtube is going to say that Alex Jones violates certain parts of its TOS, then they better make sure they apply that across the board. If not, then they could be in trouble. If they are going to claim that they have every right to favor a certain point of view and no obligation to be neutral, then that is going to open up a whole nother can of worms.

Agreed. The other day after the Sarah Jeong affair, someone tweeted exactly the same tweets with different races and got banned.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34102/twitter-suspended-candace-owens-accountafter-she-ben-shapiro

This is not applying standards across the board.

 
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 09, 2018, 03:22:38 PM
I don't think many people disagree that the standards should be applied equally across the board. Alex Jones is probably a victim of his own success to some extent, as lots of extremists from all points of the political spectrum are able to freely continue spreading their nonsense without any consequence. This is either a watershed moment, and these companies will become more active in policing the content they host, or it's a blip. I think it's probably the latter. As anyone who's worked in social media moderation will tell you, the system is deeply riven with flaws - it's based an uncomfortable balance between human subjectivity and imperfect technological automation, both of which can miss important context clues. The reactive nature of it means that it can be gamed by users and bots, and companies dedicate proportionately fewer resources to moderating content in languages other than English. For all the talk of bias, though, sometimes these things are just mistakes. My wife used to be an editor on a (reasonably popular, as in 500,000+ members) Facebook film group, and they were constantly being shut down for "inappropriate content". Turns out that there were certain pictures that Facebook's glitchy tech mistakenly read as "nude", and there were also cases where the same (weird, bitter) people routinely complained to try and get the page shut down, for reasons nobody could figure out. And yet, there are plenty of extremist groups that are allowed to exist unimpeded.

Although I share the concerns about monopoly, the internet itself is the "public square", not a handful of private companies. However users might interact with those companies, they will always want to retain some degree of control over content for reasons of legal liability and profitability.

Again, if Alex Jones wants to do his red-faced shouty thing on his own website, the internet is indeed the public square and he carve out his own little soapbox. No one else is obliged to assist him. And just to be clear, if there were a left-wing conspiracy theorist with 2.2 million followers and the President's ear, who surrounded himself with paranoid gun nuts and made threats to public figures, I'd be okay with YouTube deciding that they'd had enough with the stupid jackass after he did some particularly stupid, jackassy things.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 09, 2018, 04:19:05 PM
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I can't figure out why liberals hate free speech.

Why don't you put this question to some liberals, on this board or elsewhere? You might find that they hate free speech far less than you think.

And that, in fact, is what most credible data supports, if you look beyond the much-hyped headlines about surveys of American college students.

Here's some background to help get you started: https://medium.com/informed-and-engaged/campus-speech-protests-dont-only-target-conservatives-though-they-frequently-target-the-same-few-bda3105ad347
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Much data collection and analysis remain to be done. But one among many untested concepts is whether the survey results would be different if conservative student groups, instead of repeatedly inviting campus visitors who have built a brand of disruption, were to sponsor serious intellectual dialogue with thinkers on the right.

I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: williamwhite on August 09, 2018, 06:30:05 PM
Freedom of speech is dying a slow death.  Shouting "Hate Speech" is the new method of censorship.  It's a sad day for our Republic when young people have been sufficiently brainwashed to believe that the "right" to not be offended trumps freedom of speech.

Alex Jones is a nut job.  But is a seriously scary moment when the internet's tradition of being the real free press, the real platform that believes in freedom of speech, goes by the wayside.  I loath the day when the internet is truly dead and ISP's start controlling which ideas the people can access.

“Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.”

- Noam Chomsky

"To whom do you award the right to decide which speech is harmful, or who is the harmful speaker? Or to determine in advance what are the harmful consequences going to be, that we know enough about in advance to prevent? To whom would you give this job? To whom are you going to award the task of being the censor? Isn't it a famous old story that the man who has to read all the pornography, in order to decide what's fit to be passed and what isn't, is the man most likely to become debauched? Did you hear any speaker of the opposition to this motion – eloquent as one of them was – to whom you would delegate the task of deciding for you what you could read? To whom you would give the job of deciding for you? Relieve you from the responsibility of hearing what you might have to hear? Do you know anyone? Hands up, do you know anyone to whom you'd give this job? Does anyone have a nominee?"

- Christopher Hitchens

Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 09, 2018, 07:00:45 PM
From the Infowars Terms of Service:

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You will not post anything libelous, defamatory, harmful, threatening, harassing, abusive, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially or ethnically objectionable, or otherwise illegal.
You will not make threats to other users or people not associated with the site.
If you violate these rules, your posts and/or user name will be deleted.
Remember: you are a guest here. It is not censorship if you violate the rules and your post is deleted. All civilizations have rules and if you violate them you can expect to be ostracized from the tribe.

https://www.infowars.com/terms-of-service/ (https://www.infowars.com/terms-of-service/)
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 09, 2018, 09:38:02 PM
Not all speech is protected.

Jones is set to explode, according to his ex-wife, now that he's off the air. Let's hope he doesn't take it out on the kids.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: kengreen on August 10, 2018, 08:30:11 AM
I think this is a wake-up call for conservatives and libertarians. Maybe it's time to shut off Facebook and YouTube, and find other platforms. Hell, Facebook sucks anyway. My wall has been crap for the last two years. I just use it because it keeps me in touch with old friends.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: zola on August 10, 2018, 09:06:01 AM
Alex Jones is a ridiculous human. I'd have thought that anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would see through him. But we had people like Aurata parroting infowars lines about Sandy Hook being a false flag with crisis actors. So in some ways it is scary. Because this guy really has a knack for whipping up the absolute most moronic of those among us, into a rabid frenzy.
Having said that, I do not agree with what apple and facebook etc have done here.

The fact that people can't see how this is the thin end of the wedge that may very well come back and stick us in the ass one day scares me more than Jones's idiotic ramblings.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 10, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
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I think this is a wake-up call for conservatives and libertarians.

Private businesses self-regulating without recourse to government intervention - the ultimate libertarian nightmare!

I think these companies should've said "Alex Jones offends our sincerely held religious convictions", just to test the conservative reaction. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: plan b on August 10, 2018, 01:41:12 PM
Although these are private companies within their rights to do this, we haven't addressed the bigger concern that these companies are monopolies. There just isn't a competitor to their services, where one can take their videos and their voice too.

Remember that Google owns YouTube
Facebook owns Instagram and WhatsApp

If these companies were owned by those who steer towards the right, Left wingers would be whining day and night about not having a "voice"
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: tylerthegloob on August 10, 2018, 02:29:31 PM
privatize free speech
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CO2 on August 10, 2018, 03:28:59 PM
There's a difference between "Free speech is only guaranteed by the government" and "Yes, YouTube is a private company, but they're essentially television now and the users create 99% of their output. So cut the users some bloody slack."

Yeah, social media companies have every right to toss off whoever they want, for any reason they want, no one is contesting that. But it's a bad idea. YouTube can demonetise for a reason, that already washes their hands clean of nutters.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 11, 2018, 10:08:25 AM
I know I'm coming across as the pro-censorship guy here, so let me just clarify a little more. I am concerned about the monopolistic structure of Big Tech, and have been for a long time, which is why I've tried (unsuccessfully) to divorce myself from Google in the past, and not use any Apple products beyond their hardware (again, not a totally successful effort). So I'm not surprised that, in banning Alex Jones, they put their own interests before the free speech privileges (it is not an unqualified right when using a company's proprietary platform) of a user. It might set an uncomfortable precedent, but seriously, what do you expect? They're not the public square, they're big corporations protecting themselves against potential liabilities. If you use their products to build a business or a brand, it's your responsibility to understand that compromise, or face the consequences. Or, more simply, why are you looking to massive corporations to uphold free speech when they don't have to, and it might not be in their interests to do so? Is it unfortunate that they don't? Sure. But huge, for-profit enterprises don't always act in the greater public interest.

I contribute to a podcast hosted on Soundcloud, and distributed through iTunes, Stitcher and a couple other platforms. If any one of those companies goes under, or makes some kind of highly disagreeable change, it's on me to find another platform. I haven't created my own means of distribution, and am piggybacking - for free - on a product that others have built. I have to play by their rules. I might not like it, but again, I haven't built a more popular rival product.

So, my podcast has a tiny audience. Let's say that it grows much bigger, into millions of regular listeners. That's obviously going to bring much more scrutiny as I become better known, and the consequences for screwing up are going to be much greater. With the tiny audience I could pretty much get away with whatever I wanted. Now, there's real price to pay if I do something dumb. So let's imagine that I start using my Soundcloud platform to start regularly defaming people, including the families of murder victims, and some of those of families get harassed by my listeners. I also talk excitedly about armed insurrection, the "Jewish Mafia" and civil war while flogging boner pills. I frequently lie about various public figures, falsely accusing them of child sex abuse, murder and conspiracy to murder, and I threaten to shoot a federal prosecutor. This goes on for years, and after several warnings and multiple lawsuits, Soundcloud decides to pull the plug on my show.

Who, really, bears the responsibility for that consequence - me or Soundcloud? Do you think Soundcloud owes it to me continue distributing this material? Why?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Foreverparadise on August 12, 2018, 04:45:42 AM
You Tube and Facebook never banned Louis Farrakhan, but they banned Alex Jones.
That is hypocritical. If Alex Jones has a mental health issue, then he needs to seek
help and stay off the air for a while. The problem is that some Americans don't know
how to be moderate.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 12, 2018, 08:08:00 AM
You Tube and Facebook never banned Louis Farrakhan, but they banned Alex Jones.
That is hypocritical. If Alex Jones has a mental health issue, then he needs to seek
help and stay off the air for a while. The problem is that some Americans don't know
how to be moderate.

No disagreement there.

Zuckerberg supposedly thinks Jones went out of his way to get banned for the publicity.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 13, 2018, 10:07:09 AM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: eggieguffer on August 13, 2018, 10:13:57 AM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.

Ann Coulter goes out of her way to be obnoxious but I don't get why they think Ben Shapiro spouts hate speech. He seems to just espouse the typical republican personal responsibility, small government line. Or is it because he's anti abortion?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Savant on August 13, 2018, 10:27:19 AM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.

Ann Coulter goes out of her way to be obnoxious but I don't get why they think Ben Shapiro spouts hate speech. He seems to just espouse the typical republican personal responsibility, small government line. Or is it because he's anti abortion?

People like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro do not educate people on "conservatism". Their roles are ones of "provocateurs", with the aim of claiming gotchas on Liberalism and catching news headlines.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 13, 2018, 10:28:20 AM
Ann Coulter goes out of her way to be obnoxious but I don't get why they think Ben Shapiro spouts hate speech. He seems to just espouse the typical republican personal responsibility, small government line. Or is it because he's anti abortion?
I'm guessing to a certain subset, his views on abortion, homosexuality, and transgenderism make him worse than Hitler.

I will say, based on comment threads on political sites, I've observed that Ben Shapiro actually has a sizable liberal fanbase. A lot of liberals like him as a counterpoint because while they might not agree with him, they can understand why he thinks the way he does and he presents things logically.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 13, 2018, 10:29:00 AM
People like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro do not educate people on "conservatism". Their roles are ones of "provocateurs", with the aim of claiming gotchas on Liberalism and catching news headlines.
For sure Ann Coulter, I wouldn't say that about Ben Shapiro.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: eggieguffer on August 13, 2018, 12:02:59 PM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.

Ann Coulter goes out of her way to be obnoxious but I don't get why they think Ben Shapiro spouts hate speech. He seems to just espouse the typical republican personal responsibility, small government line. Or is it because he's anti abortion?

People like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro do not educate people on "conservatism". Their roles are ones of "provocateurs", with the aim of claiming gotchas on Liberalism and catching news headlines.

Actually Shapiro specifically invites people who don't agree with him to ask him questions at the end of his speeches. Even if you don't agree with his answer to your question you're free to ask it and you can learn about the conservative response to the particular issue.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: hangook77 on August 13, 2018, 08:33:56 PM
Even though I have posted him occasionally, I don't always agree with him.  When he's right, he's really right and when he's wrong, he's really wrong.  Sometimes he goes off the deep end.  But free speech is free speech.  Without it, you don't have freedom.  It sets a dangerous precident.  Even if they are private companies here, they are monopolies similiar to utilities.  Maybe some of these big tech firms need to be broken up.  Relying on left wing George Soros funded snopes to be their "fact checkers" when only some "facts" are checked is dead wrong. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 14, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 14, 2018, 12:12:07 PM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
By all accounts, most of the students were interested in the event. Of course some would rather play video games in their dorm room or whatever, but that's every college.

Liberty and its student body still showed that their levels of commitment to intellectual stimulation, reasoned debate, and mature conduct were exemplary. I think leftist students and their administrators could learn a thing or two.

No one at Liberty flipped out and started smashing Starbucks windows and trying to mace people and hit them with sign sticks.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 14, 2018, 03:51:18 PM
You're using extreme outlier events to draw a contrast when there is plenty of reasonable middle ground activity that never makes the news. I worked at a major public university in Texas for two years, one known for its liberal reputation. Nearly every day the campus Republicans and that libertarian group, Students for Liberty, had stalls set up on the main plaza. Both groups staged educational and social events on a regular basis, none of which inspired rioting by "leftists". The Republican group even did some idiotic, racially charged anti-affirmative action and anti-immigration provocations, and there were no less than three "dress up as a Mexican" frat parties during my time there. There was also an ongoing controversy surrounding Confederate statues on campus. At most, there were small, peaceful demonstrations, a handful of student government special sessions and some opinionated ink spilled in the student newspaper. In fact, the people to come under most fire for expression are the anti-war professors who get routinely harassed by the "patriot" mobs whipped by David Horowitz and his crowd. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 15, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
By all accounts, most of the students were interested in the event. Of course some would rather play video games in their dorm room or whatever, but that's every college.

Liberty and its student body still showed that their levels of commitment to intellectual stimulation, reasoned debate, and mature conduct were exemplary. I think leftist students and their administrators could learn a thing or two.

No one at Liberty flipped out and started smashing Starbucks windows and trying to mace people and hit them with sign sticks.
Whose accounts?

Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on August 16, 2018, 06:36:04 AM
An excellent argument in favor of social media platforms being regulated like public utilities:

"Annoying though biased legacy media like CNN may be, biased social media is a far greater threat. Facebook claims to have boosted voter turnout by 3 percent in 2016 by making small tweaks to their algorithm. And studies have shown that if search engines like Google manipulated their results to favor particular candidates, they could sway up to 40 percent of undecided voters....

"Establishment parties will be severely hampered by social media bias, but they can always fall back on broadcast media and their nationwide network of activists to get their message out. Grassroots movements have no such luxury. Success on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and even Reddit and 4chan mean life or death for a modern grassroots movement....

"Beyond social media, grassroots conservatives rely on online services for fundraising. There, the problem of bias is even worse than it is on social media. Right-wing commentators have been routinely kicked off fundraising platforms on bogus charges....

"Public utilities are industries that are, among other things, subject to common carrier regulations. Public airlines, for example, aren’t allowed to deny you service because of your political views. The water company can’t shut off access to your shower if they don’t like your singing. The phone line can’t cut off your call because they don’t like what you’re saying. So why should social media platforms, so essential to modern communication, be allowed to do the same?

"During the Obama administration, internet service providers (ISPs) were also subject to common carrier regulations, a regulation branded 'Net Neutrality' by its supporters. Net Neutrality was overkill, not least because ISPs hadn’t demonstrated any interest in censoring content on the internet. Social media companies, on the other hand, do so regularly. And in many countries, Facebook is the internet. In developing countries, Facebook users often say in surveys that they don’t use the internet — because they only use Facebook. The fact that Facebook is connected to the internet doesn’t even register.

"If the internet can be argued to be a public utility, as the left argued when it pushed for Net Neutrality, then what happens when the social media giants take over so much of the internet that for all intents and purposes they become the internet?....

"Imagine if UPS and Fedex owned a road connecting two cities. Now imagine that, between themselves, they decided DHL vehicles were no longer allowed to use that road. Antitrust lawyers would be salivating. It surely isn’t a fair business practice for two companies to get together and lock a company out of an entire distribution network.

"Something very similar happened to Gab, a free speech maximalist competitor to Twitter. It’s been locked out of the Google Play store and the Apple App store. Google and Apple, between themselves, control 99 percent of the market in smartphone operating systems. That’s not an exaggerated number. 99 percent."
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/08/14/bokhari-why-tech-giants-arent-like-christian-bakeries/

Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on August 16, 2018, 10:05:25 AM
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I read that Stefan Molyneux was recently targeted too.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 16, 2018, 10:23:23 AM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
By all accounts, most of the students were interested in the event. Of course some would rather play video games in their dorm room or whatever, but that's every college.

Liberty and its student body still showed that their levels of commitment to intellectual stimulation, reasoned debate, and mature conduct were exemplary. I think leftist students and their administrators could learn a thing or two.

No one at Liberty flipped out and started smashing Starbucks windows and trying to mace people and hit them with sign sticks.
Whose accounts?

https://www.roanoke.com/news/politics/liberty-university-students-react-to-bernie-sanders/article_e9d78640-630e-5c44-b45b-c5297fa81e95.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/14/bernie-sanders-liberty-university-evangelical-christians

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-bernie-sanders-can-bring-to-liberty-university/404926/

https://www.npr.org/2015/09/14/440327592/bernie-sanders-speaks-to-christian-conservatives-at-liberty-university

The conservative students behaved like adults and understood that college is about having your views challenged and respected the speaker for taking the risk to speak with them.

The Angry Left on campus need safe spaces, trigger warnings, riot, declare people Nazis, shout them down, and don't want to be challenged.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 16, 2018, 11:07:39 AM
Yes, thank goodness for the level-headed moderation of conservatives, such as that displayed in CDW's meme and hangook's George Soros comment. And since this thread was originally about Alex Jones, he also deserves a shout out for serving as the calm counterpoint to all that irrational anger on the left.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 16, 2018, 11:19:20 AM
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
By all accounts, most of the students were interested in the event. Of course some would rather play video games in their dorm room or whatever, but that's every college.

Liberty and its student body still showed that their levels of commitment to intellectual stimulation, reasoned debate, and mature conduct were exemplary. I think leftist students and their administrators could learn a thing or two.

No one at Liberty flipped out and started smashing Starbucks windows and trying to mace people and hit them with sign sticks.
Whose accounts?

https://www.roanoke.com/news/politics/liberty-university-students-react-to-bernie-sanders/article_e9d78640-630e-5c44-b45b-c5297fa81e95.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/14/bernie-sanders-liberty-university-evangelical-christians

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-bernie-sanders-can-bring-to-liberty-university/404926/

https://www.npr.org/2015/09/14/440327592/bernie-sanders-speaks-to-christian-conservatives-at-liberty-university

The conservative students behaved like adults and understood that college is about having your views challenged and respected the speaker for taking the risk to speak with them.

The Angry Left on campus need safe spaces, trigger warnings, riot, declare people Nazis, shout them down, and don't want to be challenged.
The Atlantic article is the opinion of ONE student.

Interested? Not quite:

Quote
The speech was received politely, but other than among a small group of vocal supporters from other local colleges, it was met with almost total silence by the majority of students who had packed into the campus arena for their weekly “convocation”.

From NPR:
Quote
I have to say that it was a mandatory thing. The students had to attend, but they said that they appreciated his message.
If people on the left are angry, it's because people on the right such as yourself and the candidates they support are liars, hypocrites and crooks.

Candidate for Florida State House Admits She Lied About Graduating From College https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/melissa-howard-diploma-florida-gop.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/melissa-howard-diploma-florida-gop.html)

Chris Collins insider trading case could prompt House ethics crackdown https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/15/collins-case-could-prompt-house-ethics-crackdown/ (https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/15/collins-case-could-prompt-house-ethics-crackdown/)

You're lazy--you never read the articles that you post links to.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 16, 2018, 12:28:16 PM

Quote
The speech was received politely, but other than among a small group of vocal supporters from other local colleges, it was met with almost total silence by the majority of students who had packed into the campus arena for their weekly “convocation”.

From NPR:
Quote
I have to say that it was a mandatory thing. The students had to attend, but they said that they appreciated his message.

Yes, they didn't applaud. That doesn't mean they were disinterested. And the articles did mention polite applause.

And yes it was mandatory, but they also were allowed to skip one speaker out of the slate during the semester, and most chose to listen to Bernie because it was interesting.

No one complained about having to attend. The students participated and asked questions and were polite. No one screamed or went all Trigglypuff.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 16, 2018, 12:56:51 PM
And then they hooted and cheered for a scheming, dishonest, greedy, philandering, ostentatious braggart who defrauded students of his own "university", then wrapped his narcissistic ambition in a performance of Christianity so cynical and self-serving that it was less believable than Eric Idle in Nuns on the Run. Later, many went out voted for him.

And thus ceded any moral high ground they held by not rioting at a Bernie Sanders speech.

I'm guessing to a certain subset, his views on abortion, homosexuality, and transgenderism make him almost Christ-like.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 16, 2018, 01:56:53 PM
And then they hooted and cheered for a scheming, dishonest, greedy, philandering, ostentatious braggart who defrauded students of his own "university", then wrapped his narcissistic ambition in a performance of Christianity so cynical and self-serving that it was less believable than Eric Idle in Nuns on the Run. Later, many went out voted for him.

And thus ceded any moral high ground they held by not rioting at a Bernie Sanders speech.

I'm guessing to a certain subset, his views on abortion, homosexuality, and transgenderism make him almost Christ-like.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/21/liberty-university-graduates-return-diplomas-because-of-support-for-trump-by-jerry-falwell-jr/?utm_term=.984882c8f78e

I think most Liberty U. students saw things as a choice between two bad options. They probably felt that Clinton was also a liar, narcissistic, scheming, greedy, who felt entitled to the Presidency, and was also hollow when it came to faith (not saying this is true, just their perception). At that point, they were going along with Trump probably simply for the sake of conservative justices on the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 16, 2018, 03:34:13 PM
I'm going to drop the Liberty University conversation, as it's unrepresentative of anything larger. If you can't find any examples of Republican Senators visiting college campuses without a riot breaking out, you're probably not trying very hard. But I am going to continue challenging this notion that intolerance of free speech is unique to the left. And I've got about a dozen crybaby tweets about kneeling NFL players from the snowflake-in-chief to back up my case.

In fact, I just checked Breitbart.com to see what's shakin', and there's a big freakout about something Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wrote (saying, effectively, that historically oppressed minorities don't have the same emotional relationship to the national anthem that well-off white people might). At the time of writing there are 6256 comments. Obviously I haven't read them all, but my scan suggests the following: 1) He should die already; 2) He's a Muslim so what do you expect?; 3) He's literally working in the service of Satan; and 4) He deserves to lose whatever position it is that allows him to say these things, at least until he learns to shut up and obey.

You can say, "Oh, but that's Breitbart..." but the commentary over at the Daily Caller, Foxnews.com and just about another popular conservative website is going to have a similar tone. "Yes, but there are moderate conservatives who don't embrace these views, so why cite the extremes?" Well, no liberals that you or I know support rioting on a college campus, or real suppression of free speech. So stop acting like that's the norm. It's not. Literally every person I know who identifies as a liberal seriously disapproves of the Twitter hate mobs, campus shutdowns, etc. that have arisen from the left. But the existence of that phenomenon has provided great cover for the right, who seem incapable of looking inward, even when their beloved President fantasizes about imprisoning journalists who don't flatter him.

You can't keep claiming that "The Left hates free speech" when there is a daily freakout in conservative media about someone saying something "unpatriotic", and an ongoing effort to discredit and restrict anyone who voices opposition to their leadership.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 17, 2018, 09:06:18 AM
Well there has been a paradigm shiff. Before it WAS the right and their moral panics that were damaging free speech. Now it's the left that are the finger waggers. However, as you pointed out there are cases where the right's moral panic rises up again and lashes out. However, they tend to just vent and rant. The left are the ones physically attacking people and enacting speech codes.

Of course there may be a time when things will switch again and the right will be back at it.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: kyndo on August 17, 2018, 09:18:37 AM
Well there has been a paradigm shiff. Before it WAS the right and their moral panics that were damaging free speech. Now it's the left that are the finger waggers. However, as you pointed out there are cases where the right's moral panic rises up again and lashes out. However, they tend to just vent and rant. The left are the ones physically attacking people and enacting speech codes.

Of course there may be a time when things will switch again and the right will be back at it.

I feel that people at the extreme end of the political spectrums are the ones who tend to freak out at strange things. It makes sense that during a conservative administration it would be the left that's acting out, just as it would be the far right that is more likely to misbehave during a liberal administration.

    Is it me, or has American politics become far more polarized these last few years? I really don't remember this kind of vitriol between fans of the two teams ten years ago.  :sad:
    Anyway, I always thought that partisanship was silly (independents who vote according to platforms as opposed to party seem far more reasonable to me), and seeing the idiotic bickering that a dual party system encourages makes me wonder how long it will be before the US will be forced to undergo serious political reform.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Dave Stepz on August 17, 2018, 09:25:02 AM
Is it me, or has American politics become far more polarized these last few years? I really don't remember this kind of vitriol between fans of the two teams ten years ago.  :sad:

Kyndo, America is completely fooked, and the idiot in the White House doesn't care.  In the UK, we may have huge problems with Brexit but there is nothing like the divided stink that is coming from America. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 17, 2018, 09:54:09 AM
Is it me, or has American politics become far more polarized these last few years? I really don't remember this kind of vitriol between fans of the two teams ten years ago.  :sad:

Kyndo, America is completely fooked, and the idiot in the White House doesn't care.  In the UK, we may have huge problems with Brexit but there is nothing like the divided stink that is coming from America.

Oh please. Life in America is fine. The 35% of people who don't vote and don't care about politics probably have their heads screwed on the best at this point. Everyone else is running around screaming and they're just going about life. Seriously, like virtually nothing significant has changed from when Obama was in office. At most things are getting rolled back to 2007 in terms of regulations. People are acting like we're all doomed.

Vietnam was 100X worse than this and America held together. There's no major war. No draft. No threat of nuclear war. No mass riots across dozens of U.S. cities. No people surrounding the Pentagon while soldiers with rifles hold them back. No monks or Quakers setting themselves on fire. No assassinations. No hoses and dogs. Antifa and the Alt-Right are a bunch of LARPers compared to the Hardhat Riot or the DNC 1968, No National Guard firing into crowds of students. No ROTC offices being torched. No bombings and kidnappings by revolutionaries. No nationwide student strike.

Instead we have people dressing up like vaginas and wearing pink hats. Madonna saying some poem that's more noted for it's raunch than it's political message. People screaming at the sky. Retweets. Facebook likes. Late Night comedians making jokes that can't decide whether Trump is an evil overlord or a bumbling idiot. The press treating "You're fake news!" as some sort of act of censorship (even though they're free to write about that). Cosplay protests as Handmaid's Tale characters. From Abbie Hoffman and Harry Belafonte to a couple of Cryptocurrency huckster brothers. And a pathetic Red Scare.

You can tell how bad things are and how seriously people are taking things by their actions. It's pretty clear that at some level of the subconscious, no one really believes we're in any real danger, they're just bored and want to feel like they're doing something.

America's falling apart and effd- please. Get a sense of history and perspective before you spout off nonsense like that.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: eggieguffer on August 17, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
Is it me, or has American politics become far more polarized these last few years? I really don't remember this kind of vitriol between fans of the two teams ten years ago.  :sad:

Kyndo, America is completely fooked, and the idiot in the White House doesn't care.  In the UK, we may have huge problems with Brexit but there is nothing like the divided stink that is coming from America.

Oh please. Life in America is fine. The 35% of people who don't vote and don't care about politics probably have their heads screwed on the best at this point. Everyone else is running around screaming and they're just going about life. Seriously, like virtually nothing significant has changed from when Obama was in office. At most things are getting rolled back to 2007 in terms of regulations. People are acting like we're all doomed.

Vietnam was 100X worse than this and America held together. There's no major war. No draft. No threat of nuclear war. No mass riots across dozens of U.S. cities. No people surrounding the Pentagon while soldiers with rifles hold them back. No monks or Quakers setting themselves on fire. No assassinations. No hoses and dogs. Antifa and the Alt-Right are a bunch of LARPers compared to the Hardhat Riot or the DNC 1968, No National Guard firing into crowds of students. No ROTC offices being torched. No bombings and kidnappings by revolutionaries. No nationwide student strike.

Instead we have people dressing up like vaginas and wearing pink hats. Madonna saying some poem that's more noted for it's raunch than it's political message. People screaming at the sky. Retweets. Facebook likes. Late Night comedians making jokes that can't decide whether Trump is an evil overlord or a bumbling idiot. The press treating "You're fake news!" as some sort of act of censorship (even though they're free to write about that). Cosplay protests as Handmaid's Tale characters. From Abbie Hoffman and Harry Belafonte to a couple of Cryptocurrency huckster brothers. And a pathetic Red Scare.

You can tell how bad things are and how seriously people are taking things by their actions. It's pretty clear that at some level of the subconscious, no one really believes we're in any real danger, they're just bored and want to feel like they're doing something.

America's falling apart and effd- please. Get a sense of history and perspective before you spout off nonsense like that.

Have any of those celebrities who said they'd leave if Trump got in, gone yet? Probably around the same number of celebrities in the UK who said they'd take in an asylum seeker, took in an asylum seeker. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Dave Stepz on August 17, 2018, 10:06:26 AM
Is it me, or has American politics become far more polarized these last few years? I really don't remember this kind of vitriol between fans of the two teams ten years ago.  :sad:

Kyndo, America is completely fooked, and the idiot in the White House doesn't care.  In the UK, we may have huge problems with Brexit but there is nothing like the divided stink that is coming from America.

Oh please. Life in America is fine. The 35% of people who don't vote and don't care about politics probably have their heads screwed on the best at this point. Everyone else is running around screaming and they're just going about life. Seriously, like virtually nothing significant has changed from when Obama was in office. At most things are getting rolled back to 2007 in terms of regulations. People are acting like we're all doomed.

Vietnam was 100X worse than this and America held together. There's no major war. No draft. No threat of nuclear war. No mass riots across dozens of U.S. cities. No people surrounding the Pentagon while soldiers with rifles hold them back. No monks or Quakers setting themselves on fire. No assassinations. No hoses and dogs. Antifa and the Alt-Right are a bunch of LARPers compared to the Hardhat Riot or the DNC 1968, No National Guard firing into crowds of students. No ROTC offices being torched. No bombings and kidnappings by revolutionaries. No nationwide student strike.

Instead we have people dressing up like vaginas and wearing pink hats. Madonna saying some poem that's more noted for it's raunch than it's political message. People screaming at the sky. Retweets. Facebook likes. Late Night comedians making jokes that can't decide whether Trump is an evil overlord or a bumbling idiot. The press treating "You're fake news!" as some sort of act of censorship (even though they're free to write about that). Cosplay protests as Handmaid's Tale characters. From Abbie Hoffman and Harry Belafonte to a couple of Cryptocurrency huckster brothers. And a pathetic Red Scare.

You can tell how bad things are and how seriously people are taking things by their actions. It's pretty clear that at some level of the subconscious, no one really believes we're in any real danger, they're just bored and want to feel like they're doing something.

America's falling apart and effd- please. Get a sense of history and perspective before you spout off nonsense like that.

(http://rs756.pbsrc.com/albums/xx202/watchobs/DCIM/Ostrichheadinsand.jpg~c200)
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 17, 2018, 10:12:30 AM
Is it me, or has American politics become far more polarized these last few years? I really don't remember this kind of vitriol between fans of the two teams ten years ago.  :sad:

Kyndo, America is completely fooked, and the idiot in the White House doesn't care.  In the UK, we may have huge problems with Brexit but there is nothing like the divided stink that is coming from America.

Oh please. Life in America is fine. The 35% of people who don't vote and don't care about politics probably have their heads screwed on the best at this point. Everyone else is running around screaming and they're just going about life. Seriously, like virtually nothing significant has changed from when Obama was in office. At most things are getting rolled back to 2007 in terms of regulations. People are acting like we're all doomed.

Vietnam was 100X worse than this and America held together. There's no major war. No draft. No threat of nuclear war. No mass riots across dozens of U.S. cities. No people surrounding the Pentagon while soldiers with rifles hold them back. No monks or Quakers setting themselves on fire. No assassinations. No hoses and dogs. Antifa and the Alt-Right are a bunch of LARPers compared to the Hardhat Riot or the DNC 1968, No National Guard firing into crowds of students. No ROTC offices being torched. No bombings and kidnappings by revolutionaries. No nationwide student strike.

Instead we have people dressing up like vaginas and wearing pink hats. Madonna saying some poem that's more noted for it's raunch than it's political message. People screaming at the sky. Retweets. Facebook likes. Late Night comedians making jokes that can't decide whether Trump is an evil overlord or a bumbling idiot. The press treating "You're fake news!" as some sort of act of censorship (even though they're free to write about that). Cosplay protests as Handmaid's Tale characters. From Abbie Hoffman and Harry Belafonte to a couple of Cryptocurrency huckster brothers. And a pathetic Red Scare.

You can tell how bad things are and how seriously people are taking things by their actions. It's pretty clear that at some level of the subconscious, no one really believes we're in any real danger, they're just bored and want to feel like they're doing something.

America's falling apart and effd- please. Get a sense of history and perspective before you spout off nonsense like that.

(http://rs756.pbsrc.com/albums/xx202/watchobs/DCIM/Ostrichheadinsand.jpg~c200)

(https://animationreview.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/chicken-little-c2a9-walt-disney.jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on August 17, 2018, 11:03:07 AM
Is it me, or has American politics become far more polarized these last few years? I really don't remember this kind of vitriol between fans of the two teams ten years ago.  :sad:

Kyndo, America is completely fooked, and the idiot in the White House doesn't care.  In the UK, we may have huge problems with Brexit but there is nothing like the divided stink that is coming from America.
You have plenty of idiots in your own government. At least Trump would take a strong stand against letting in these kinds of immigrants:

"Thirty men have been charged with raping and trafficking five girls in West Yorkshire."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/15/thirty-men-charged-sexually-abusing-girls-west-yorkshire

Notice that all the offenders have exotic, middle-eastern sounding names.

The UK authorities are more concerned about keeping out a non-violent PUA who fat shames women. A plane full of passengers headed for the UK was forced to turn around after it was discovered that Roosh was on board, lol:

"I’ve been on a lot of flights in my life, but I never had one turn around due to a 'security issue.' Was it because of me? There’s no way the authorities would inconvenience hundreds of people because one writer said some mean words on the internet, I thought. But as we approached the runway for landing, I began to mentally prepare for the worst....

"So the UK government receives passenger data from all inbound flights that is cross-checked with their immigration and criminal databases. It’s great that they have a locktight system to keep their citizens safe from a thought criminal like myself, yet somehow thousands of Muslim immigrants manage to enter the country to sexually mutilate and abuse females, including children. It’s okay to harm British girls with physical violence as long as you don’t trigger them with internet articles."
http://www.rooshv.com/i-was-detained-by-icelandic-police-after-my-london-bound-flight-redirected-to-keflavik-airport

Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CO2 on August 17, 2018, 12:24:42 PM
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(https://animationreview.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/chicken-little-c2a9-walt-disney.jpg)

I'm not picking sides in this, but that was pretty damn good, Dr. M hahahahaha
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mister Tim on August 17, 2018, 01:16:29 PM
I'm not picking sides in this, but that was pretty damn good, Dr. M hahahahaha

Seriously. I had to suppress a chortle here in the office. Well played.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 17, 2018, 05:48:06 PM
Hey CDW, what was it that steered you towards Roosh V's website?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 17, 2018, 07:32:40 PM
Is it me, or has American politics become far more polarized these last few years? I really don't remember this kind of vitriol between fans of the two teams ten years ago.  :sad:

Kyndo, America is completely fooked, and the idiot in the White House doesn't care.  In the UK, we may have huge problems with Brexit but there is nothing like the divided stink that is coming from America.

Oh please. Life in America is fine. The 35% of people who don't vote and don't care about politics probably have their heads screwed on the best at this point. Everyone else is running around screaming and they're just going about life. Seriously, like virtually nothing significant has changed from when Obama was in office. At most things are getting rolled back to 2007 in terms of regulations. People are acting like we're all doomed.

Vietnam was 100X worse than this and America held together. There's no major war. No draft. No threat of nuclear war. No mass riots across dozens of U.S. cities. No people surrounding the Pentagon while soldiers with rifles hold them back. No monks or Quakers setting themselves on fire. No assassinations. No hoses and dogs. Antifa and the Alt-Right are a bunch of LARPers compared to the Hardhat Riot or the DNC 1968, No National Guard firing into crowds of students. No ROTC offices being torched. No bombings and kidnappings by revolutionaries. No nationwide student strike.

Instead we have people dressing up like vaginas and wearing pink hats. Madonna saying some poem that's more noted for it's raunch than it's political message. People screaming at the sky. Retweets. Facebook likes. Late Night comedians making jokes that can't decide whether Trump is an evil overlord or a bumbling idiot. The press treating "You're fake news!" as some sort of act of censorship (even though they're free to write about that). Cosplay protests as Handmaid's Tale characters. From Abbie Hoffman and Harry Belafonte to a couple of Cryptocurrency huckster brothers. And a pathetic Red Scare.

You can tell how bad things are and how seriously people are taking things by their actions. It's pretty clear that at some level of the subconscious, no one really believes we're in any real danger, they're just bored and want to feel like they're doing something.

America's falling apart and effd- please. Get a sense of history and perspective before you spout off nonsense like that.
26,000 troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iraq plus special forces in Yemen and other locations. Climate change that is not being addressed. The middle class hanging on by the skin of its teeth.

People aren't bored; they anxious, worried and in many cases scared.

The only one spouting off nonsense here is you.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 18, 2018, 08:54:14 AM
26,000 troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iraq plus special forces in Yemen and other locations. Climate change that is not being addressed. The middle class hanging on by the skin of its teeth.

People aren't bored; they anxious, worried and in many cases scared.

The only one spouting off nonsense here is you.
ISIS is on the run. No Clinton/NeoCons screaming to invade Syria and shootdown Russian jets. U.S. Carbon emissions from fossil fuels have declined under Trump while the Euro Paris Climate signees have seen their carbon emissions rise (Trump wins on the environment!), plus technology being developed by the private market such as carbon scrubbers and plastic eaters will address maters, and a booming economy.

Tet Offensive, Detroit Riots, DNC riot, Invasion of Czechoslovakia, and assassinations of MLK and RKF this is not.

Wasn't Trump supposed to have crashed the economy, started 2 nuclear wars, deported 11 million people, put Muslims in concentration camps, unleashed the Klan on minorities, and turned women's lives into something out of the Handmaid's Tale? Seems you guys suck with your predictions. Maybe people should stop listening to you and your predictions of doom and gloom.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 18, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
26,000 troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iraq plus special forces in Yemen and other locations. Climate change that is not being addressed. The middle class hanging on by the skin of its teeth.

People aren't bored; they anxious, worried and in many cases scared.

The only one spouting off nonsense here is you.
ISIS is on the run. No Clinton/NeoCons screaming to invade Syria and shootdown Russian jets. U.S. Carbon emissions from fossil fuels have declined under Trump while the Euro Paris Climate signees have seen their carbon emissions rise (Trump wins on the environment!), plus technology being developed by the private market such as carbon scrubbers and plastic eaters will address maters, and a booming economy.

Tet Offensive, Detroit Riots, DNC riot, Invasion of Czechoslovakia, and assassinations of MLK and RKF this is not.

Wasn't Trump supposed to have crashed the economy, started 2 nuclear wars, deported 11 million people, put Muslims in concentration camps, unleashed the Klan on minorities, and turned women's lives into something out of the Handmaid's Tale? Seems you guys suck with your predictions. Maybe people should stop listening to you and your predictions of doom and gloom.
You've got quite the imagination. Is that what leads you to lie so often?

"Comparisons are odious." And yet bad ones are your stock in trade.

I'm sure the families of the victims in Las Vegas, Parkland and other mass shootings will take great comfort that they aren't living in the Middle Ages.

BTW the only thing I've predicted is a blue wave. Your penchant for dishonesty leads one to wonder if you weren't sacked from your convenience store clerk gig for taking too many five-fingered discounts. Fess up.

Then after getting fired, unable to afford tuition and ashamed to return to the ol' homestead, you skeedaddled to Thailand, got yourself a fake diploma and have been "teaching" in SK ever since.

That has a real ring of truth to it.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 18, 2018, 11:25:41 AM
I'm sure the families of the victims in Las Vegas, Parkland and other mass shootings will take great comfort that they aren't living in the Middle Ages.
What the heck does that have to do with Trump?

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BTW the only thing I've predicted is a blue wave
So you thought our economy would be doing well, ISIS would be on the run, carbon emissions by the US would be down, and Trump would be looking to sue the drug companies for the opioid epidemic?

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Your penchant for dishonesty leads one to wonder if you weren't sacked from your convenience store clerk gig for taking too many five-fingered discounts. Fess up.

Then after getting fired, unable to afford tuition and ashamed to return to the ol' homestead, you skeedaddled to Thailand, got yourself a fake diploma and have been "teaching" in SK ever since.

That has a real ring of truth to it.

Define Mental illness: thinking up a fantasy scenario involving some person on the internet you've never met and convincing yourself it's true, despite no way to verify it, and using that fantasy as a basis to judge their character.

You've literally gotten everything wrong. Maybe you should consider the possibility that you aren't as smart or as accurate as you think you are.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 19, 2018, 06:20:01 AM
I'm sure the families of the victims in Las Vegas, Parkland and other mass shootings will take great comfort that they aren't living in the Middle Ages.
What the heck does that have to do with Trump?

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BTW the only thing I've predicted is a blue wave
So you thought our economy would be doing well, ISIS would be on the run, carbon emissions by the US would be down, and Trump would be looking to sue the drug companies for the opioid epidemic?

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Your penchant for dishonesty leads one to wonder if you weren't sacked from your convenience store clerk gig for taking too many five-fingered discounts. Fess up.

Then after getting fired, unable to afford tuition and ashamed to return to the ol' homestead, you skeedaddled to Thailand, got yourself a fake diploma and have been "teaching" in SK ever since.

That has a real ring of truth to it.

Define Mental illness: thinking up a fantasy scenario involving some person on the internet you've never met and convincing yourself it's true, despite no way to verify it, and using that fantasy as a basis to judge their character.

You've literally gotten everything wrong. Maybe you should consider the possibility that you aren't as smart or as accurate as you think you are.
Really? You never lie (LOL) and you were never a convenience store clerk? You've never been to Thailand?

The facts are on my side.

"Judge their character"--character, what character?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 19, 2018, 08:26:59 AM
Really? You never lie (LOL) and you were never a convenience store clerk? You've never been to Thailand?

The facts are on my side.

I'm sure I've gotten stuff wrong and I'm not going to pretend I never lie, but no I don't think I've said anything deliberately misleading, although it's possible I did in a fit of spite or something.

I think you conflated convenience store clerk with a different service industry job. And no, I've never been to Thailand, hence why I don't ever post in any of the Thai travel forums or posts.

You memory isn't as good as you think it is. So much for those facts. Maybe you should express things in terms of probabilities, rather than certainties. More words like "likely, possibly, maybe, I think, perhaps, etc."
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 19, 2018, 09:02:52 AM
Really? You never lie (LOL) and you were never a convenience store clerk? You've never been to Thailand?

The facts are on my side.

I'm sure I've gotten stuff wrong and I'm not going to pretend I never lie, but no I don't think I've said anything deliberately misleading, although it's possible I did in a fit of spite or something.

I think you conflated convenience store clerk with a different service industry job. And no, I've never been to Thailand, hence why I don't ever post in any of the Thai travel forums or posts.

You memory isn't as good as you think it is. So much for those facts. Maybe you should express things in terms of probabilities, rather than certainties. More words like "likely, possibly, maybe, I think, perhaps, etc."
Nahhh. Weasel on.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Life Improvement on August 19, 2018, 05:39:54 PM
carbon emissions by the US would be down

Huh?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/19/trump-set-to-roll-back-restrictions-on-coal-burning-power-plants.html
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 20, 2018, 10:20:53 AM
https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/04/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-down-europea

I thought it was supposed to be all doom and gloom under Trump. Guess even the "Trump is going to single-handedly destroy the environment" prediction has joined the discredited.

You guys predicted war, it didn't happen. You guys predicted economic ruin, it didn't happen. You guys predicted concentration camps and mass deportations, it didn't happen. You guys predicted the planet would be ruined, it didn't happen.

Did you ever consider that you aren't processing information correctly regarding politics?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on August 20, 2018, 10:28:39 AM
Trump defends free speech and fairness.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/08/18/12/4F2EACBD00000578-0-image-a-21_1534593036882.jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Adel on August 20, 2018, 10:35:38 AM
Trump defends free speech and fairness.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/08/18/12/4F2EACBD00000578-0-image-a-21_1534593036882.jpg)

Truth isn't Truth!

(https://images.tmz.com/2018/08/19/081918-rudy-giuliani-kal-1080x608.jpeg)
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 20, 2018, 10:36:36 AM
https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/04/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-down-europea

I thought it was supposed to be all doom and gloom under Trump. Guess even the "Trump is going to single-handedly destroy the environment" prediction has joined the discredited.

You guys predicted war, it didn't happen. You guys predicted economic ruin, it didn't happen. You guys predicted concentration camps and mass deportations, it didn't happen. You guys predicted the planet would be ruined, it didn't happen.

Did you ever consider that you aren't processing information correctly regarding politics?
Did you ever think that no one is falling for your lies?

Trump's actions are certainly harming the environment and will continue to do so until they are undone. Heck, even the auto manufacturers thinks he's going too far.

Emissions were down in 2016 thanks to Obama's efforts, efforts that trump is doing his worst to undermine.

I thought you posted that you didn't always lie. I guess you don't understand the difference between honesty and dishonesty.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 20, 2018, 10:39:44 AM
Trump defends free speech and fairness.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/08/18/12/4F2EACBD00000578-0-image-a-21_1534593036882.jpg)
I've got a brand new Ferrari I can sell you. It only has 150,000 miles on it and the name plate's been changed to say Kia. But I assure you, it's all Ferrari and I can let you have it for the low, low price of $66,600.

I hate to let this baby go because it's sure to increase in value.

Have we got a deal?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 20, 2018, 11:01:31 AM
Go scream at the sky some more. Maybe if you do it long enough, Trump will leave office.

Yes, Trump is a lying deceiving sack of shit. No disagreement here.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 20, 2018, 11:24:39 AM
Here's a perspective worth hearing on social media censorship, from someone who's been banned from Twitter. Not because it proves that that liberals can fall foul of Facebook, Twitter, etc., but more because it actually fills in some details on what the process is like, and how it can be gamed by a user's online enemies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2nMny3i-2A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2nMny3i-2A)

Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 20, 2018, 08:14:05 PM
Go scream at the sky some more. Maybe if you do it long enough, Trump will leave office.

Yes, Trump is a lying deceiving sack of shit. No disagreement here.
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As a corporate lawyer, William L. Wehrum worked for the better part of a decade to weaken air pollution rules by fighting the Environmental Protection Agency in court on behalf of chemical manufacturers, refineries, oil drillers and coal-burning power plants.

Now, Mr. Wehrum is about to deliver one of the biggest victories yet for his industry clients — this time from inside the Trump administration as the government’s top air pollution official.

On Tuesday, President Trump is expected to propose a vast rollback of regulations on emissions from coal plants, including many owned by members of a coal-burning trade association that had retained Mr. Wehrum and his firm as recently as last year to push for the changes.

The proposal strikes at the heart of climate-change regulations adopted by the Obama administration to force change among polluting industries, and follows the relaxation of separate rules governing when power plants must upgrade air pollution equipment. Mr. Wehrum, who has led the E.P.A.’s clean air office since November, also helped deliver the changes in several of those rules.

The rollbacks are part of the administration’s effort to bring regulatory relief to the coal industry, and other major sources of air pollution.

Blue skies smilin' at me
Nothin' but blue skies do I see
Blue days all of them gone
Nothin' but blue skies from now on

Maybe not.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on August 23, 2018, 10:38:50 AM
The ACLU says that banning Alex Jones could set a dangerous precedent. If liberals can arbitrarily decide what constitutes hate speech then so can conservatives.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/402903-aclu-warns-alex-jones-ban-could-set-dangerous-precedent
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Savant on August 23, 2018, 10:41:32 AM
The ACLU says that banning Alex Jones could set a dangerous precedent. If liberals can arbitrarily decide what constitutes hate speech then so can conservatives.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/402903-aclu-warns-alex-jones-ban-could-set-dangerous-precedent

Conservatives despise the ACLU until it comes out in support of their issues.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 23, 2018, 11:25:46 AM
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If liberals can arbitrarily decide what constitutes hate speech then so can conservatives.

Dude, Alex Jones is facing multiple high-profile lawsuits in different states, for content broadcast on these companies' proprietary services. He recently made insinuations about killing a federal prosecutor. Maybe, in the interests of capitalism (a system I assume you support), they thought it better to quash their association with him. Does that sound like "liberals arbitrarily deciding what constitutes hate speech"?

Are you honestly cool with me calling you out, using your real name, as a pedophile on all the ESL boards in Korea? How about associating you with other crimes you didn't commit? What if I encourage people to play vigilante and surround your house with weapons, to protect their kids from you? Should moderators have a right to remove my posts, or must they remain in the interests of free speech, even though it's just some crap that I made up for the sole purpose of being a vindictive, spiteful prick?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Adel on August 23, 2018, 12:07:14 PM
More's the point I'd like CDW to explain why he so attracted to that criminal Trump.
Is it because he's one too? Is that why he came to Korea? :police:

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/7da0efab913deec4b4f79623951063e5)
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on August 23, 2018, 12:13:57 PM
He's hoping to get a pardon when he gets put away on child sex abuse charges. You know what goes on at that Pizza School branch near his hagwon, right? 
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on August 26, 2018, 04:29:06 AM
"Jeong’s verification by Twitter was all the more galling to the company’s critics given that it came after Twitter suspended the controversial conservative Alex Jones after he posted a video in which he called on his supporters to ready their 'battle rifles' after facing simultaneous banning from Facebook, Spotify, Apple and YouTube.

"Jeong’s verification and Jones’ suspension prompted users to question Twitter’s methodology for verifying public figures, as well as sarcastic questions about whether abusing white people on Twitter was in fact deemed acceptable by the social media giant, while abusing black people was seen as off limits."
https://www.rt.com/usa/436414-sarah-jeong-twitter-verified/

Whether or not Jones deserves to be banned from social media there is clearly a double standard in existence.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 26, 2018, 06:25:31 AM
"Jeong’s verification by Twitter was all the more galling to the company’s critics given that it came after Twitter suspended the controversial conservative Alex Jones after he posted a video in which he called on his supporters to ready their 'battle rifles' after facing simultaneous banning from Facebook, Spotify, Apple and YouTube.

"Jeong’s verification and Jones’ suspension prompted users to question Twitter’s methodology for verifying public figures, as well as sarcastic questions about whether abusing white people on Twitter was in fact deemed acceptable by the social media giant, while abusing black people was seen as off limits."
https://www.rt.com/usa/436414-sarah-jeong-twitter-verified/

Whether or not Jones deserves to be banned from social media there is clearly a double standard in existence.
Clearly, you've resorted to sr/dm's tactics of comparing oranges to onions.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on August 26, 2018, 06:59:05 AM
More's the point I'd like CDW to explain why he so attracted to that criminal Trump.
Is it because he's one too? Is that why he came to Korea? :police:
If Trump had his way Mollie Tibbetts would still be alive. Unlike the politicians on your side (Fauxcahontas, etc.) he wants to enforce laws and put American citizens first.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Adel on August 26, 2018, 07:25:01 AM


More's the point I'd like CDW to explain why he so attracted to that criminal Trump.
Is it because he's one too? Is that why he came to Korea? :police:
(https://i.imgflip.com/1zka8g.jpg)
 Unlike the politicians on your side (Fauxcahontas, etc.) he wants to enforce laws and put American citizens first.

I didn't know Vladimir was an American citizen :sad:

Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Savant on August 26, 2018, 11:26:33 AM


More's the point I'd like CDW to explain why he so attracted to that criminal Trump.
Is it because he's one too? Is that why he came to Korea? :police:
(https://i.imgflip.com/1zka8g.jpg)
 Unlike the politicians on your side (Fauxcahontas, etc.) he wants to enforce laws and put American citizens first.

I didn't know Vladimir was an American citizen :sad:

Trump allows him to vote in US elections.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on August 26, 2018, 07:48:01 PM
More's the point I'd like CDW to explain why he so attracted to that criminal Trump.
Is it because he's one too? Is that why he came to Korea? :police:
If Trump had his way Mollie Tibbetts would still be alive. Unlike the politicians on your side (Fauxcahontas, etc.) he wants to enforce laws and put American citizens first.
How about the repub bigwigs who owned the farm where the guy worked and lived?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Life Improvement on August 31, 2018, 04:49:10 PM
Are you honestly cool with me calling you out, using your real name, as a pedophile on all the ESL boards in Korea? How about associating you with other crimes you didn't commit? What if I encourage people to play vigilante and surround your house with weapons, to protect their kids from you? Should moderators have a right to remove my posts, or must they remain in the interests of free speech, even though it's just some crap that I made up for the sole purpose of being a vindictive, spiteful prick?

On his radio broadcast and in videos, Mr. Jones for years spread bogus claims that the shooting was a “false flag,” an event staged by the government as part of an effort to confiscate Americans’ firearms, and that the parents of the children killed were “crisis actors.”

After Mr. Pozner succeeded in getting an Infowars video casting doubt on the shooting removed from YouTube, Mr. Jones showed his audience Mr. Pozner’s personal information and maps to addresses associated with his family, court documents say. Mr. Jones also falsely accused Ms. De La Rosa of participating in a faked interview with Anderson Cooper of CNN after the shooting, according to court documents.

Subsequent death threats and harassment have forced the Pozner family to move seven times. They currently live in hiding.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/politics/alex-jones-infowars-sandy-hook-lawsuit.html

The same judge issued a more qualified ruling against Mr. Jones in a separate defamation case brought by Marcel Fontaine, who was falsely identified on the Infowars website as the gunman in the Parkland, Fla., school shooting in February.

After the Infowars report, Mr. Fontaine was subjected to months of harassment, including threats at his workplace.


Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: hangook77 on September 11, 2018, 03:22:31 PM
They are sowing the gradual seeds of their own decline.

http://www.real.video/channel/infowarsnetwork

Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: hangook77 on September 11, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Are you honestly cool with me calling you out, using your real name, as a pedophile on all the ESL boards in Korea? How about associating you with other crimes you didn't commit? What if I encourage people to play vigilante and surround your house with weapons, to protect their kids from you? Should moderators have a right to remove my posts, or must they remain in the interests of free speech, even though it's just some crap that I made up for the sole purpose of being a vindictive, spiteful prick?

On his radio broadcast and in videos, Mr. Jones for years spread bogus claims that the shooting was a “false flag,” an event staged by the government as part of an effort to confiscate Americans’ firearms, and that the parents of the children killed were “crisis actors.”

After Mr. Pozner succeeded in getting an Infowars video casting doubt on the shooting removed from YouTube, Mr. Jones showed his audience Mr. Pozner’s personal information and maps to addresses associated with his family, court documents say. Mr. Jones also falsely accused Ms. De La Rosa of participating in a faked interview with Anderson Cooper of CNN after the shooting, according to court documents.

Subsequent death threats and harassment have forced the Pozner family to move seven times. They currently live in hiding.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/politics/alex-jones-infowars-sandy-hook-lawsuit.html

The same judge issued a more qualified ruling against Mr. Jones in a separate defamation case brought by Marcel Fontaine, who was falsely identified on the Infowars website as the gunman in the Parkland, Fla., school shooting in February.

After the Infowars report, Mr. Fontaine was subjected to months of harassment, including threats at his workplace.


Just like when CNN threatened to show the address of the person who wrote the meme wars joke last year right?  No intimidation there to shut someone up?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Life Improvement on September 11, 2018, 03:31:27 PM
Just like when CNN threatened to show the address of the person who wrote the meme wars joke last year right?  No intimidation there to shut someone up?

Huh? When did that happen?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 11, 2018, 03:37:40 PM
I'd have more smypathy for Alex Jones if he just stuck to government conspiracies involving distant bankers or politicians whom Americans have, across party lines, like, a 13% level of trust in.

It's another thing when you start going after families of shooting survivors. Raise the issue of mental health and anti-psychotic meds and Big Pharma causing some people to get whacked out, fine. Point out how there seems to be a disturbing lack of information regarding the Las Vegas shooting fine (remember that? Odd lack of info relative to high-profile cases- not that this means anything necessarily nefarious as the authorities could simply be tracking peopple like cartel gun runners or such).

Don't go after young kids and families. And no, I don't mean like the Parkland kids who are all turning 18 and are becoming spokespeople and political figures and entering the sphere of debate and influence.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 11, 2018, 03:41:40 PM
Just like when CNN threatened to show the address of the person who wrote the meme wars joke last year right?  No intimidation there to shut someone up?

Huh? When did that happen?

It was the guy who did the Trump WWE CNN bodyslam gif. The guy also apparently had a few racially charged and offensive posts. Now on the one hand it seems a bit heavy-handed for CNN to do this, on the other, the guy did make some racially charged stuff. If it had just been the CNN gif, then I think that might be over the line, but...

Still, there are double standards, even if they aren't perfect. It's okay to doxx people on the right, but if you do it to someone on the left or the media, then people howl. Of course it works the other way as well with Trump's supporters. You go on their side and all they hear is that time CNN doxxed someone while they ignore Alex Jones' nonsense.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Adel on September 11, 2018, 04:05:11 PM
No video or documentary evidence to support this claim, I notice.

ps. a deranged rant from Alex Jones doesn't count as evidence of anything other than evidence of a deranged rant ! ;D
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 11, 2018, 04:18:40 PM
No video or documentary evidence to support this claim, I notice.

ps. a deranged rant from Alex Jones doesn't count as evidence of anything other than evidence of a deranged rant ! ;D

That CNN threatened to Doxx them?

https://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-criticized-threatening-dox-reddit-users-identity-2017-7
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Adel on September 11, 2018, 04:38:15 PM
No video or documentary evidence to support this claim, I notice.

ps. a deranged rant from Alex Jones doesn't count as evidence of anything other than evidence of a deranged rant ! ;D

That CNN threatened to Doxx them?

https://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-criticized-threatening-dox-reddit-users-identity-2017-7

I note you omitted the qualifier from the headline! :laugh:
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Life Improvement on September 11, 2018, 05:01:50 PM
Just like when CNN threatened to show the address of the person who wrote the meme wars joke last year right?

No, they never threatened to show the person's address. They... possibly... threatened... to use the person's real name. But never did it. Not the same as actually showing maps to the homes of a person's family members. Which is what Alex Jone did. Shame on him.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Adel on September 11, 2018, 05:09:19 PM
Seemingly!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 11, 2018, 05:16:12 PM
Just like when CNN threatened to show the address of the person who wrote the meme wars joke last year right?

No, they never threatened to show the person's address. They... possibly... threatened... to use the person's real name. But never did it. Not the same as actually showing maps to the homes of a person's family members. Which is what Alex Jone did. Shame on him.

Oh I agree that Jones is crap and I'm not saying the CNN claim is 100% true, just that it was a story. It sounded like people were claiming this story didn't happen or that there was ZERO evidence. There's some evidence, but it's not decisive.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Adel on September 11, 2018, 05:21:02 PM
Well you've demonstrated virtually zero evidence of a threat.
Well done! :laugh:
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Life Improvement on September 12, 2018, 06:06:24 AM
Mr. Jones showed his audience Mr. Pozner’s personal information and maps to addresses associated with his family, court documents say.

Just like when CNN threatened to show the address of the person who wrote the meme wars joke last year right?  No intimidation there to shut someone up?

There is zero evidence CNN threatened to reveal the poster's address. Or is there? Where's the evidence?
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Life Improvement on September 12, 2018, 06:15:00 AM
that time CNN doxxed someone

No. You mean that time CNN may have almost doxxed a racist harasser (or may have threatened him in order to get him to shut up). Not the same as slandering then doxxing an innocent man and his family.

CNN > InfoWars

Take note hangook77.

Mainstream media > alternative media
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 12, 2018, 08:36:48 AM
No, they never threatened to show the person's address. They... possibly... threatened... to use the person's real name. But never did it. Not the same as actually showing maps to the homes of a person's family members. Which is what Alex Jone did. Shame on him.

No. You mean that time CNN may have almost doxxed a racist harasser (or may have threatened him in order to get him to shut up). Not the same as slandering then doxxing an innocent man and his family.

I agree

I'd have more smypathy for Alex Jones if he just stuck to government conspiracies involving distant bankers or politicians whom Americans have, across party lines, like, a 13% level of trust in.

It's another thing when you start going after families of shooting survivors.

Like I said, I'm not looking to defend Alex Jones here or say there's an equivalence, I only mentioned that hangook77's claim of there being a CNN doxxing allegation is true, not that the allegation itself is true.

However...
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html

Quote
CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

"You have a lovely place here. Be a shame if anything happened to it."

Now, the guy has hateful tweets, however Trump bodyslamming CNN is a joke, and CNN needs to be able to take it and not get so worked up. The guy's other stuff though is grounds for at least considering the possibility of
public humiliation.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/5/15922214/cnnblackmail-reddit-trump-wrestling

There's also this incident, which was ethically grey, especially considering that Michael Moore also attended an event allegedly set up by Russian bots and he wasn't confronted about it by CNN even though he is a politically active public figure.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/20/michael-moore-participated-anti-trump-rally-allege/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-confronts-female-trump-supporter-to-tell-her-she-was-part-of-russias-election-meddling
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: hangook77 on September 12, 2018, 08:45:09 AM
that time CNN doxxed someone

No. You mean that time CNN may have almost doxxed a racist harasser (or may have threatened him in order to get him to shut up). Not the same as slandering then doxxing an innocent man and his family.

CNN > InfoWars

Take note hangook77.

Mainstream media > alternative media

Infowars still here. 

https://www.real.video/channel/infowarsnetwork

Folks don't want to listen to hysterical biased CNN anymore.  They don't even try to hide their bias anymore.  A racist harasser?  What the guy who launched the CNN meme wars?  He never said anything racist and Jones has never even said anything racist.  Jones also has protested the KKK calling them dumb asses.  But if you can't win an argument with someone just shut them up and lie calling them racist when they aren't.  Keep it up.  You only drive more people to Trump with this idiocy.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on September 12, 2018, 09:40:35 AM
that time CNN doxxed someone

No. You mean that time CNN may have almost doxxed a racist harasser (or may have threatened him in order to get him to shut up). Not the same as slandering then doxxing an innocent man and his family.

CNN > InfoWars

Take note hangook77.

Mainstream media > alternative media

Infowars still here. 

https://www.real.video/channel/infowarsnetwork

Folks don't want to listen to hysterical biased CNN anymore.  They don't even try to hide their bias anymore.  A racist harasser?  What the guy who launched the CNN meme wars?  He never said anything racist and Jones has never even said anything racist.  Jones also has protested the KKK calling them dumb asses.  But if you can't win an argument with someone just shut them up and lie calling them racist when they aren't.  Keep it up.  You only drive more people to Trump with this idiocy.
Let's see if it works, although in this case I don't need to lie.

hankook77 is a racist.

If what you are saying is true, that will shut you up.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on September 13, 2018, 07:36:32 AM
This suppression of free speech is really getting out of control. It's really getting scary. Amazon recently banned Roosh Valizadeh's new book (Game: How to Meet, Attract, and Date Attractive Women) and eight other books of his.

"Of course, everyone knows when that homosexual couple tried to get a baker to bake a gay cake and then the baker said 'No I'm not going to do it' and they sued him. Now that gay couple could have gone to another baker or another one. There's probably dozens of them in a metropolitan city. Now can you tell me can I go to another Amazon? After Paypal banned me can I go to another Paypal? These aren't private companies.... These are tech monopolies.... There is no alternative. They control their entire sector and they have the right to ban you and you can't do anything about it. They don't even have to tell you why."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWMm08LcrT4&t=570

This is arguably worse than putting up a "Whites Only" sign outside a restaurant. At least there would be plenty of other restaurants where one could eat. These tech giants have a lot more power and thus the abuse of their power can be devastating for society. Treating them as public utilities seems to be the obvious solution. The phone company can not legally end their services to you because they don't like what you say on the phone.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CO2 on September 13, 2018, 07:55:46 AM
"Of course, everyone knows when that homosexual couple tried to get a baker to bake a gay cake and then the baker said 'No I'm not going to do it' and they sued him. Now that gay couple could have gone to another baker or another one. There's probably dozens of them in a metropolitan city. Now can you tell me can I go to another Amazon? After Paypal banned me can I go to another Paypal? These aren't private companies.... These are tech monopolies.... There is no alternative. They control their entire sector and they have the right to ban you and you

I really don't get the paypal one. Unless money you're getting can be proven to be then going towards illegal activities, why does it matter? Does anyone honestly think that if Roosh gets money on Paypal that Paypal endorses whatever it is that Roosh is doing? No. If Roosh buys a Ford, I don't think that Ford is shit.

It makes NO sense.

Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Sharks9 on September 13, 2018, 07:59:20 AM
This suppression of free speech is really getting out of control. It's really getting scary. Amazon recently banned Roosh Valizadeh's new book (Game: How to Meet, Attract, and Date Attractive Women) and eight other books of his.

"Of course, everyone knows when that homosexual couple tried to get a baker to bake a gay cake and then the baker said 'No I'm not going to do it' and they sued him. Now that gay couple could have gone to another baker or another one. There's probably dozens of them in a metropolitan city. Now can you tell me can I go to another Amazon? After Paypal banned me can I go to another Paypal? These aren't private companies.... These are tech monopolies.... There is no alternative. They control their entire sector and they have the right to ban you and you can't do anything about it. They don't even have to tell you why."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWMm08LcrT4&t=570

This is arguably worse than putting up a "Whites Only" sign outside a restaurant. At least there would be plenty of other restaurants where one could eat. These tech giants have a lot more power and thus the abuse of their power can be devastating for society. Treating them as public utilities seems to be the obvious solution. The phone company can not legally end their services to you because they don't like what you say on the phone.

Come on, it's nowhere close to that bad. One bans a single person because of the vitriol they're spewing, the other bans people because of the skin they were born in.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: Andyman on September 13, 2018, 09:12:04 AM
But guys, how is CDW going to meet, attract and date attractive women without the insights of Roosh V? Damn. Looks like it's another Friday night on the sofa with a tub of Ben and Jerry's and reruns of Friends.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on September 13, 2018, 09:50:18 AM
But guys, how is CDW going to meet, attract and date attractive women without the insights of Roosh V? Damn. Looks like it's another Friday night on the sofa with a tub of Ben and Jerry's and reruns of Friends.
That's living high on the hog for incels.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: hangook77 on September 13, 2018, 01:48:52 PM
But guys, how is CDW going to meet, attract and date attractive women without the insights of Roosh V? Damn. Looks like it's another Friday night on the sofa with a tub of Ben and Jerry's and reruns of Friends.

Some of the young women are pretty hateful and disgusting with the leftist propaganda they've come to fall for.  I'd almost rather date myself.  I had 3 or 4 early 30's aged women whom I knew for years turn into the most vile hateful argumentative disgusting people you'd never want to meet.  They are the most opinionated trolls that you have t walk on eggshells around.  You simply aren't allowed to have an opinion unless it's theirs.  Gross!  They were only on my Facebook.  They were rough before but went ape$h!t and triggered after Trump won.  My unfriending by 4 or 5 them is a badge of honor.  I'd never date them while a couple of them were lovey dovey to me when they were around 20 or so. 

No thanks.  I'd rather not be tempted to shoot myself.  Fortunately, there are still nice reasonable women who haven't been taken over by this far left ANTIFA style hate.  Also, helps women seem to be attracted to me.  Anyhow, don't become and incel or a go it alone type (what's that group called again)?  There are nice reasonable women out there that aren't crazy guys.  There's nothing wrong with having differences of opinion on some things, but when I'm not allowed to have an opinion (or for that matter turn on the air con in summer), it ain't going to work out. 

If a woman is really attracted to you, she'll prob be more inclined to tolerate your $h!t and ignore it anyhow.  If she isn't and she is only settling for you, then she'll prob try to be the boss on that stuff.  Don't settle and don't let someone settle for you.  Enjoy your life and have a great coupling especially if kids become involved.  (Not saying it has to be all my opinion either, though it doesn't hurt to have similar political views - having things in common and all that.)
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: hangook77 on September 13, 2018, 01:56:37 PM
Though I should say most people are still pretty decent. I don't obsessively post about Trump Trudeau or anyone else too often, but do enough that folks know my opinions.  I went home this summer and had no issues meeting and running into each other though we left the politics off the table.  So, only a few folks have become intolerant hateful leftists.  Most folks can have differing opinions and leave it at that.  I mean after all the reason you are really friends with people is that you like some of the same activities, have some shared memories, your personalities click, or have similar humor, or whatever.  Some folks left and right can't have it so all they post is political crap.  Most of the time, you post other stuff and are non political.  That's the ideal.  This here on waygook is a fun way to kill desk warming time.  But, except for the odd posting on Facebook or watching a few video online here and there, it's more important to get out and do things.  Have your beliefs and opinions, but don't let them consume you or your time. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: CDW on September 14, 2018, 09:15:46 AM
But guys, how is CDW going to meet, attract and date attractive women without the insights of Roosh V? Damn. Looks like it's another Friday night on the sofa with a tub of Ben and Jerry's and reruns of Friends.
That's living high on the hog for incels.
Good news: The book is still for sale on his website.

"It is the seminal work of a hyper-sexualized man who dedicated tens of thousands of hours into understanding women and attracting them, all while fending off defamatory attacks from mainstream feminists and fake news journalists who want to criminalize healthy masculinity."
http://www.returnofkings.com/192397/read-now-game-how-to-meet-attract-and-date-attractive-women

Why was it banned? Maybe it really is as good as he says it is.
Title: Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
Post by: gogators! on September 15, 2018, 02:29:25 PM
But guys, how is CDW going to meet, attract and date attractive women without the insights of Roosh V? Damn. Looks like it's another Friday night on the sofa with a tub of Ben and Jerry's and reruns of Friends.
That's living high on the hog for incels.
Good news: The book is still for sale on his website.

"It is the seminal work of a hyper-sexualized man who dedicated tens of thousands of hours into understanding women and attracting them, all while fending off defamatory attacks from mainstream feminists and fake news journalists who want to criminalize healthy masculinity."
http://www.returnofkings.com/192397/read-now-game-how-to-meet-attract-and-date-attractive-women

Why was it banned? Maybe it really is as good as he says it is.
How many have you purchased? You could give them as Chuseok gifts. 8)