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Title: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: zola on October 21, 2016, 01:46:36 PM
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=216513


If anything goes wrong in Korea, the “ppalli ppalli” culture is to blame.

The logic behind it is that Koreans tend to do whatever it takes to get the job done ppalli ppalli, or on the double.

When the Sewol ferry sank, this mentality or, more exactly, an extension of it in the form of cutting corners, took the blame. The big ferry took on more freight than allowed and failed to secure it properly inside the cargo bay. The result was comparable to items in an overhead locker being shifted during a turbulent flight. A top-heavy modification reduced the ship’s ability to bounce back after listing to one side and sank it. Two-hundred-ninety-five people, mostly students on a school trip, were killed with nine listed missing.

The same goes with the problem of Samsung Electronics’ Galaxy Note 7, whose production and sale have been terminated for good after some devices were reported exploding. The media and experts blame Samsung for making too much haste in launching the latest jumbo smartphone ahead of its rival Apple. The result is that they say Samsung remains clueless about the cause of the explosions

The fingers of blame are being wagged by both Koreans and foreigners. But it is not incorrect to say it was foreigners, from their third-party perspective, who first identified this weak point standing in the way of Korea’s last push to becoming a fully developed country.

Their rationale: Koreans have turned their country from the world’s most impoverished nation into one of its leading economies in a short period of time. As a result, their ability to pay attention to detail and consider safety first, traits common within developed nations, were lost in the transition.

They would tell Korea to get rid of it or remain a second-rate nation. Now, it is a one-size-fits-all diagnosis for anything going amiss with things Korean.

So often Koreans find themselves on the receiving end of this lesson and have come to take this analysis as a matter of fact.

Now is the time to vet this whether it is bad for us, before the life of the nation is being seriously threatened.

Was the cause of the Sewol sinking ppalli ppalli as often believed? First of all, this type of tragedy does take place all over the world. Two years prior to the Sewol disaster, an Italian cruise ship, Costa Concordia, ran aground and capsized with 4,299 on board. Eleven people died and 24 were listed as missing. However silly it may sound, the cause was its homage-paying custom of approaching an island on its route. On the night of the accident, it came too close and its hull got a gash 70 meters long. The captain beat the passengers and crew off the ship and escaped as the Sewol skipper did. In other words, ppalli ppalli alone can’t explain it. 

What about the Note 7 fiasco?

Did Samsung cut corners?  They didn’t. If they did, they could not have reached where they are: the world’s top tech firm.

Any leading firm is under pressure to get its products out ahead of its rivals. Then, the ill-fated smartphone was also lauded as a pacemaker with its variety of new functions including waterproofing and rapid recharging. Such an innovative product always carries with it unseen risks. The Note 7 was hit by the perfect storm of an eagerness to start a new generation and beat Apple, but a mechanical gremlin got the best of it. That is called risk-taking, a pivotal part in any innovative firm.



 

Samsung decided on an all-out recall as soon as the fires were reported. Would Apple take the same bold move for consumer safety? Samsung took the ppalli ppalli attitude. If it were the cause of its current troubles, then, it would be equal to attributing the demise of Nokia and Blackberry to ppalli ppalli culture.

From Korea’s perspective, it’s important to exonerate ppalli ppalli.

First, it is part of the nation’s DNA so telling Koreans to lose it is the same as telling them to stop being Korean. It is deep in the national character like patience is for the British, craftiness for the Japanese, American pragmatism, North Korean single-mindedness, Swiss sense of neutrality, etc.

We had President Lee Myung-bak, who took pragmatism as a new national character. It didn’t work.

We need more of it, not less of it.

This culture has taken us so far and we should let it take us further.

The reason why we are stuck on the slippery slope is that we are trying to imitate others’ strong points and emulate their success formulae.

Ppalli ppalli is part of our success formula. Even for our age of rapid change, it will be in a greater need. After all, we don’t have all day.

In the event that our culture proves problematic as claimed by others, we can always hire them to fix them. Meanwhile, it’s time for us to get going and get ahead with it as far as we can go.


Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: Pecan on October 21, 2016, 02:06:48 PM
Not mcch into name calling, but that editor has a long history of displaying his ignorance for all to see.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: YoungMin on October 21, 2016, 02:13:47 PM
What's the word for being in a hurry but driving like 5mph but still being in a hurry to cut in front of you at a junction and then driving at like 30mph in the left hand lane but then blaring the horn at you when you undertake them in the right hand lane cos it's a 60mph zone and then they start driving at like 200mph behind your bumper but they're just going to lotte mart to spend 2 hours buying the same 12 grocery items they always buy?
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: donovan on October 21, 2016, 02:24:18 PM
What's the word for being in a hurry but driving like 5mph but still being in a hurry to cut in front of you at a junction and then driving at like 30mph in the left hand lane but then blaring the horn at you when you undertake them in the right hand lane cos it's a 60mph zone and then they start driving at like 200mph behind your bumper but they're just going to lotte mart to spend 2 hours buying the same 12 grocery items they always buy?

the very definition of bballi bballi
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: zola on October 21, 2016, 02:31:32 PM
Not only is pali pali not a problem according to this idiot, Koreans need to increase it. Get in even more of a hurry.
I also liked his pittle dig at Japanese "craftiness".


Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: grey on October 21, 2016, 03:29:56 PM
If the Japanese are crafty, I'd like Koreans to be crafty.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: gogators! on October 21, 2016, 04:49:28 PM
The leaps of logic that the writer takes makes one wonder if he was a high jumper back in the day.

Maybe he wrote it bbali bbali.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: lazerbullet on October 21, 2016, 05:35:39 PM
The leaps of logic that the writer takes makes one wonder if he was a high jumper back in the day.

Maybe he wrote it bbali bbali.

Top post.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on October 21, 2016, 05:59:22 PM
This person has got the gall to call himself an editor. Racist and illogical are adjectives that spring to mind when I read this article.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: Pecan on October 21, 2016, 06:34:03 PM
This person has got the gall to call himself an editor. Racist and illogical are adjectives that spring to mind when I read this article.
You sound like Ralph Long;) verbatim.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 21, 2016, 06:47:57 PM
Lol this writer is precious  :laugh:
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on October 21, 2016, 09:58:12 PM
This person has got the gall to call himself an editor. Racist and illogical are adjectives that spring to mind when I read this article.
You sound like Ralph Long;) verbatim.

Dang! my cover is blown.   ;D
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: gogators! on October 22, 2016, 08:38:05 AM
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Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: Aristocrat on October 22, 2016, 02:50:52 PM
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=216513


If anything goes wrong in Korea, the “ppalli ppalli” culture is to blame.

The logic behind it is that Koreans tend to do whatever it takes to get the job done ppalli ppalli, or on the double.

When the Sewol ferry sank, this mentality or, more exactly, an extension of it in the form of cutting corners, took the blame. The big ferry took on more freight than allowed and failed to secure it properly inside the cargo bay. The result was comparable to items in an overhead locker being shifted during a turbulent flight. A top-heavy modification reduced the ship’s ability to bounce back after listing to one side and sank it. Two-hundred-ninety-five people, mostly students on a school trip, were killed with nine listed missing.

The same goes with the problem of Samsung Electronics’ Galaxy Note 7, whose production and sale have been terminated for good after some devices were reported exploding. The media and experts blame Samsung for making too much haste in launching the latest jumbo smartphone ahead of its rival Apple. The result is that they say Samsung remains clueless about the cause of the explosions

The fingers of blame are being wagged by both Koreans and foreigners. But it is not incorrect to say it was foreigners, from their third-party perspective, who first identified this weak point standing in the way of Korea’s last push to becoming a fully developed country.

Their rationale: Koreans have turned their country from the world’s most impoverished nation into one of its leading economies in a short period of time. As a result, their ability to pay attention to detail and consider safety first, traits common within developed nations, were lost in the transition.

They would tell Korea to get rid of it or remain a second-rate nation. Now, it is a one-size-fits-all diagnosis for anything going amiss with things Korean.

So often Koreans find themselves on the receiving end of this lesson and have come to take this analysis as a matter of fact.

Now is the time to vet this whether it is bad for us, before the life of the nation is being seriously threatened.

Was the cause of the Sewol sinking ppalli ppalli as often believed? First of all, this type of tragedy does take place all over the world. Two years prior to the Sewol disaster, an Italian cruise ship, Costa Concordia, ran aground and capsized with 4,299 on board. Eleven people died and 24 were listed as missing. However silly it may sound, the cause was its homage-paying custom of approaching an island on its route. On the night of the accident, it came too close and its hull got a gash 70 meters long. The captain beat the passengers and crew off the ship and escaped as the Sewol skipper did. In other words, ppalli ppalli alone can’t explain it. 

What about the Note 7 fiasco?

Did Samsung cut corners?  They didn’t. If they did, they could not have reached where they are: the world’s top tech firm.

Any leading firm is under pressure to get its products out ahead of its rivals. Then, the ill-fated smartphone was also lauded as a pacemaker with its variety of new functions including waterproofing and rapid recharging. Such an innovative product always carries with it unseen risks. The Note 7 was hit by the perfect storm of an eagerness to start a new generation and beat Apple, but a mechanical gremlin got the best of it. That is called risk-taking, a pivotal part in any innovative firm.



 

Samsung decided on an all-out recall as soon as the fires were reported. Would Apple take the same bold move for consumer safety? Samsung took the ppalli ppalli attitude. If it were the cause of its current troubles, then, it would be equal to attributing the demise of Nokia and Blackberry to ppalli ppalli culture.

From Korea’s perspective, it’s important to exonerate ppalli ppalli.

First, it is part of the nation’s DNA so telling Koreans to lose it is the same as telling them to stop being Korean. It is deep in the national character like patience is for the British, craftiness for the Japanese, American pragmatism, North Korean single-mindedness, Swiss sense of neutrality, etc.

We had President Lee Myung-bak, who took pragmatism as a new national character. It didn’t work.

We need more of it, not less of it.

This culture has taken us so far and we should let it take us further.

The reason why we are stuck on the slippery slope is that we are trying to imitate others’ strong points and emulate their success formulae.

Ppalli ppalli is part of our success formula. Even for our age of rapid change, it will be in a greater need. After all, we don’t have all day.

In the event that our culture proves problematic as claimed by others, we can always hire them to fix them. Meanwhile, it’s time for us to get going and get ahead with it as far as we can go.


(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/45/45b10a8986d571677b9261a3f97f72fe80c6d91fd69a2dc1289ff52737bb096f.jpg)
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: sligo on October 22, 2016, 03:16:14 PM
This begs the questions:

Who is this article aimed for?

Why is it written in English?

Who are the "We" in the article?  because it isn't anyone who is reading this.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: oglop on October 22, 2016, 05:26:27 PM
"Oh Young-jin is The Korea Times’ chief editorial writer. Contact him at foolsdie5@ktimes.com and foolsdie@gmail.com."

err
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: grey on October 22, 2016, 09:37:52 PM
Were foolsdie1-4@ktimes.com already taken?

Damn, the KT really does not like fools.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: Somebody on October 22, 2016, 10:06:09 PM
빨리빨리 has some merit. It promotes not putting things off, which is good. But prioritizing this is important.
There are several examples where Koreans don't 빨리빨리. Deciding something takes hours here. Tangents are frequent. Not to mention when a phone rings, then the meeting is stopped for who knows how long. It's as if Koreans don't really care about time, for time's sake. They will spend countless hours discussing something that could be figured out in minutes. But once something is figured out and finally decided upon, it's 빨리빨리. Maybe because of the wasted time spent in discussion.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: gogators! on October 23, 2016, 08:26:30 AM
빨리빨리 has some merit. It promotes not putting things off, which is good. But prioritizing this is important.
There are several examples where Koreans don't 빨리빨리. Deciding something takes hours here. Tangents are frequent. Not to mention when a phone rings, then the meeting is stopped for who knows how long. It's as if Koreans don't really care about time, for time's sake. They will spend countless hours discussing something that could be figured out in minutes. But once something is figured out and finally decided upon, it's 빨리빨리. Maybe because of the wasted time spent in discussion.
It actually does the opposite--people wait until the last minute and then do things in a great rush. These days it begins in school with cramming for tests.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 24, 2016, 01:39:17 AM
빨리빨리 has some merit. It promotes not putting things off, which is good. But prioritizing this is important.
There are several examples where Koreans don't 빨리빨리. Deciding something takes hours here. Tangents are frequent. Not to mention when a phone rings, then the meeting is stopped for who knows how long. It's as if Koreans don't really care about time, for time's sake. They will spend countless hours discussing something that could be figured out in minutes. But once something is figured out and finally decided upon, it's 빨리빨리. Maybe because of the wasted time spent in discussion.

I actually find 빨리빨리 has more to do with the image and appearance of being busy than actual productivity.  It's why corners are cut and why, as you pointed out, when you look at how efficiently time is actually being used...you find it simply isn't :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: HyooMyron on October 24, 2016, 08:52:33 AM
This begs the questions:

Who is this article aimed for?

Why is it written in English?

Who are the "We" in the article?  because it isn't anyone who is reading this.

Is it not that obvious that we are gettin trolled? Look at all the other stuff that person has wrote. It's just all a bunch of buzz words to get us riled up. And it works every single time! We just give this guy free views and publicity for trolling us, while he sits back and laughs.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: oli125 on October 24, 2016, 09:49:35 AM
Back to those who mentioned about shoddy construction. last year we bought a new build apartment. It was Lotte Castle, which I believe is considered to be one of the better construction companies. It was not the biggest apartment complex- only 623 apartments, which were completed in under 2 years. 623 homes in under 2 years- that's pretty impressive. Anyways, a month before the complex officially "opened" the owners had a day to go and check for any errors in their apartment. Oh my...it was disappointing. To mention just a few issues: cracked grout, windows and doors that didn't open or close, wall paper hanging off, flooring uneven, work surfaces uneven. Now I don't necessarily blame the workers for this as they are probably ordered to work at break- neck speed, after all 623 apartments in under 2 years is pretty impressive. However, I don't understand why a little more time, care and consideration wasn't taken. In the end we sold the apartment before we even moved in.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 24, 2016, 09:51:53 AM
With things like guns or bballi bballi, they can be strange in that if a culture didn't have them, in some alternate universe things could be completely different and not necessarily for the better.

Maybe without them, Korea is like the Philippines or something. Maybe without guns, America succumbed to some dumb Red Dawn invasion (not bloody likely, but spitballing here). There's something to be said for having to deal with a potential guerrilla force of 300 million. Maybe if Saudi Arabia didn't chop the hands off of thieves, they'd have a rampant crime problem.   
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: macteacher on October 24, 2016, 10:10:25 AM
"First, it is part of the nation’s DNA so telling Koreans to lose it is the same as telling them to stop being Korean."

Haha, this reminds me of when I asked my Korean friend if he hated being told ppali ppalli. He told me "I'm Korean, how could I hate that?" and my response was to remind him just last week that he told me harsh deadlines and being told to rush gives him major anxiety and makes him sweat into a puddle at his desk. He was like "Oh, right. I guess that's true."


But I hate this attitude so much that a country's identity is based on perpetuating the same stereotypes for eternity. It's so prevalent in Korea and it reminds me of idiots back home who don't want the government to take their guns because the right to bear arms is what makes us American!!! Many Korean people will say America needs to change gun culture even if it has been with us for a long time, but they can't see their own need to change.

It's like they don't give an actual f*ck about their fellow country people who are being hurt by toxic cultural mindsets. If you put culture before the actual people, it doesn't really seem like you care about what actually makes a country great (the people living there!!!)


it's buzzwords. during pre-korean war korea, most 1st person accounts of Korea talk about how their encounters with Koreans left an impression of listlessness and peaceful laziness (not in a negative way). this ppalli ppalli "culture" was birthed during the dictatorships here as a way to whip people into laying the groundwork to an economic juggernaut under the disguise of some innate cultural trait. it's a constructed ideology that can be done away like most things in the world. 
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 24, 2016, 10:12:29 AM
"First, it is part of the nation’s DNA so telling Koreans to lose it is the same as telling them to stop being Korean."

Haha, this reminds me of when I asked my Korean friend if he hated being told ppali ppalli. He told me "I'm Korean, how could I hate that?" and my response was to remind him just last week that he told me harsh deadlines and being told to rush gives him major anxiety and makes him sweat into a puddle at his desk. He was like "Oh, right. I guess that's true."


But I hate this attitude so much that a country's identity is based on perpetuating the same stereotypes for eternity. It's so prevalent in Korea and it reminds me of idiots back home who don't want the government to take their guns because the right to bear arms is what makes us American!!! Many Korean people will say America needs to change gun culture even if it has been with us for a long time, but they can't see their own need to change.

It's like they don't give an actual f*ck about their fellow country people who are being hurt by toxic cultural mindsets. If you put culture before the actual people, it doesn't really seem like you care about what actually makes a country great (the people living there!!!)


it's buzzwords. during pre-korean war korea, most 1st person accounts of Korea talk about how their encounters with Koreans left an impression of listlessness and peaceful laziness (not in a negative way). this ppalli ppalli "culture" was birthed during the dictatorships here as a way to whip people into laying the groundwork to an economic juggernaut under the disguise of some innate cultural trait. it's a constructed ideology that can be done away like most things in the world.

Has its virtues when say, another country wants to invade you and industrial might could be the difference between victory and defeat.

Not that any of that would apply to Korea mind you.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: macteacher on October 24, 2016, 10:26:33 AM
"First, it is part of the nation’s DNA so telling Koreans to lose it is the same as telling them to stop being Korean."

Haha, this reminds me of when I asked my Korean friend if he hated being told ppali ppalli. He told me "I'm Korean, how could I hate that?" and my response was to remind him just last week that he told me harsh deadlines and being told to rush gives him major anxiety and makes him sweat into a puddle at his desk. He was like "Oh, right. I guess that's true."


But I hate this attitude so much that a country's identity is based on perpetuating the same stereotypes for eternity. It's so prevalent in Korea and it reminds me of idiots back home who don't want the government to take their guns because the right to bear arms is what makes us American!!! Many Korean people will say America needs to change gun culture even if it has been with us for a long time, but they can't see their own need to change.

It's like they don't give an actual f*ck about their fellow country people who are being hurt by toxic cultural mindsets. If you put culture before the actual people, it doesn't really seem like you care about what actually makes a country great (the people living there!!!)


it's buzzwords. during pre-korean war korea, most 1st person accounts of Korea talk about how their encounters with Koreans left an impression of listlessness and peaceful laziness (not in a negative way). this ppalli ppalli "culture" was birthed during the dictatorships here as a way to whip people into laying the groundwork to an economic juggernaut under the disguise of some innate cultural trait. it's a constructed ideology that can be done away like most things in the world.

Has its virtues when say, another country wants to invade you and industrial might could be the difference between victory and defeat.

Not that any of that would apply to Korea mind you.

never said it didn't have its virtues. ppalli ppalli isn't some mystic korean thing. when people criticize ppalli ppalli, they're usually using it as a portmanteau for the top down/nepotism/bribing bureaucracy that is pervasive in a lot of the culture here. it's a complicated topic. Korea is going to have look inwards and think about their managerial style as their population shrinks and they move to more service industries.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: donovan on October 24, 2016, 10:34:46 AM
When people criticize ppalli ppalli, they're usually using it as a portmanteau for the top down/nepotism/bribing bureaucracy that is pervasive in a lot of the culture here.

(http://www.exunoplura.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/portmanteau.jpg)??
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: CO2 on October 24, 2016, 10:36:02 AM
When people criticize ppalli ppalli, they're usually using it as a portmanteau for the top down/nepotism/bribing bureaucracy that is pervasive in a lot of the culture here.

(http://www.exunoplura.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/portmanteau.jpg)??

ahahahaha 바보
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: donovan on October 24, 2016, 10:42:43 AM
When people criticize ppalli ppalli, they're usually using it as a portmanteau for the top down/nepotism/bribing bureaucracy that is pervasive in a lot of the culture here.

(http://www.exunoplura.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/portmanteau.jpg)??

ahahahaha 바보

Would there be a word for that, though? What would it be? Euphemism?
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: macteacher on October 24, 2016, 11:23:51 AM
"You see it's like a portmanteau—there are two meanings packed up into one word."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau

it's used in this way sometimes  :undecided:
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: donovan on October 24, 2016, 11:37:55 AM
"You see it's like a portmanteau—there are two meanings packed up into one word."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau

it's used in this way sometimes  :undecided:

Is that so? I always thought it was more two words packed into one meaning. Can it be called a portmanteau if it doesn't borrow phones from two different words and combine them into one? It seems to me like that "Through the Looking Glass" quote is a little off. Or 빨리 빨리 is a combination of two different words?

Anyway, not sure what the two meanings would be in this case.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: macteacher on October 24, 2016, 11:46:54 AM
"You see it's like a portmanteau—there are two meanings packed up into one word."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau

it's used in this way sometimes  :undecided:

Is that so? I always thought it was more two words packed into one meaning. Can it be called a portmanteau if it doesn't borrow phones from two different words and combine them into one? It seems to me like that "Through the Looking Glass" quote is a little off. Or 빨리 빨리 is a combination of two different words?

Anyway, not sure what the two meanings would be in this case.

i mean i don't know what you want me to say. it's often used for things like "brunch" (breakfast lunch) but it's sometimes used more poetically to say something as one word carrying (port) more than one meaning ie ppalli palli being used to talk about the quickness of korea but often it has more to do with top-down management.

but nice epic pwn with that picture
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: donovan on October 24, 2016, 11:59:29 AM
"You see it's like a portmanteau—there are two meanings packed up into one word."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau

it's used in this way sometimes  :undecided:

Is that so? I always thought it was more two words packed into one meaning. Can it be called a portmanteau if it doesn't borrow phones from two different words and combine them into one? It seems to me like that "Through the Looking Glass" quote is a little off. Or 빨리 빨리 is a combination of two different words?

Anyway, not sure what the two meanings would be in this case.

i mean i don't know what you want me to say. it's often used for things like "brunch" (breakfast lunch) but it's sometimes used more poetically to say something as one word carrying (port) more than one meaning ie ppalli palli being used to talk about the quickness of korea but often it has more to do with top-down management.

but nice epic pwn with that picture

I see. I guess I can't really question the wording of Lewis Carroll's definition as he's the one who created the word in the first place! (Thanks, Wikipedia)
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: gideonvasquez on October 24, 2016, 12:02:44 PM
"You see it's like a portmanteau—there are two meanings packed up into one word."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau

it's used in this way sometimes  :undecided:

Is that so? I always thought it was more two words packed into one meaning. Can it be called a portmanteau if it doesn't borrow phones from two different words and combine them into one? It seems to me like that "Through the Looking Glass" quote is a little off. Or 빨리 빨리 is a combination of two different words?

Anyway, not sure what the two meanings would be in this case.

i mean i don't know what you want me to say. it's often used for things like "brunch" (breakfast lunch) but it's sometimes used more poetically to say something as one word carrying (port) more than one meaning ie ppalli palli being used to talk about the quickness of korea but often it has more to do with top-down management.

but nice epic pwn with that picture
I've never seen that usage before. Do you have an example? I have only heard of a portmanteau carrying the meaning of the two contributing morphemes. Like hungry and angry making hangry. Or Bill and Hillary making Billary.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: MayorHaggar on October 25, 2016, 03:39:20 PM
Article summary:

- "We're not bballi-bballi, YOU'RE bballi-bballi!" (Well, specifically Italy, the Korea of Europe) Therefore anything bad that Koreans do is OK because people do bad stuff in other countries.

- "Bballi-bballi is part of Korean culture, so if you ask us to stop killing people in preventable ferry accidents, we will stop being Korean"
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: gogators! on October 25, 2016, 08:13:17 PM
Article summary:

- "We're not bballi-bballi, YOU'RE bballi-bballi!" (Well, specifically Italy, the Korea of Europe) Therefore anything bad that Koreans do is OK because people do bad stuff in other countries.

- "Bballi-bballi is part of Korean culture, so if you ask us to stop killing people in preventable ferry accidents, we will stop being Korean"
More concise: "This is Korea!"
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: Somebody on October 26, 2016, 12:47:15 AM
빨리빨리 has some merit. It promotes not putting things off, which is good. But prioritizing this is important.
There are several examples where Koreans don't 빨리빨리. Deciding something takes hours here. Tangents are frequent. Not to mention when a phone rings, then the meeting is stopped for who knows how long. It's as if Koreans don't really care about time, for time's sake. They will spend countless hours discussing something that could be figured out in minutes. But once something is figured out and finally decided upon, it's 빨리빨리. Maybe because of the wasted time spent in discussion.

I actually find 빨리빨리 has more to do with the image and appearance of being busy than actual productivity.  It's why corners are cut and why, as you pointed out, when you look at how efficiently time is actually being used...you find it simply isn't :lipsrsealed:

That is true in places like companies or schools. But for construction, it's the opposite. These guys put up buildings faster than I've ever seen. I used to be a real estate appraiser in the states, and I am astonished how quickly buildings are put up or existing structures are renovated. The work they have done in the west part of Suwon is incredible. Of course, the work isn't up to American standards. I've seen many apartment paint jobs that American companies would get sued for. But somehow, it doesn't matter to Koreans. Their houses, which are actually condo or apartment units, are not permanent places of residence. They will move a lot. Everything is temporary. So, interior decoraters are not the perfectionists they are in the states.
I haven't seen any structural problems, but walls here let through sound a lot. I don't know how insulation is used here. But even in the states, you have to soundproof by spending money. What my long and boring post is trying to say is that Korean blue collar workers are not staying at work extra hours to look good.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: JNM on October 26, 2016, 07:16:22 AM
빨리빨리 has some merit. It promotes not putting things off, which is good. But prioritizing this is important.
There are several examples where Koreans don't 빨리빨리. Deciding something takes hours here. Tangents are frequent. Not to mention when a phone rings, then the meeting is stopped for who knows how long. It's as if Koreans don't really care about time, for time's sake. They will spend countless hours discussing something that could be figured out in minutes. But once something is figured out and finally decided upon, it's 빨리빨리. Maybe because of the wasted time spent in discussion.

I actually find 빨리빨리 has more to do with the image and appearance of being busy than actual productivity.  It's why corners are cut and why, as you pointed out, when you look at how efficiently time is actually being used...you find it simply isn't :lipsrsealed:

That is true in places like companies or schools. But for construction, it's the opposite. These guys put up buildings faster than I've ever seen. I used to be a real estate appraiser in the states, and I am astonished how quickly buildings are put up or existing structures are renovated. The work they have done in the west part of Suwon is incredible. Of course, the work isn't up to American standards. I've seen many apartment paint jobs that American companies would get sued for. But somehow, it doesn't matter to Koreans. Their houses, which are actually condo or apartment units, are not permanent places of residence. They will move a lot. Everything is temporary. So, interior decoraters are not the perfectionists they are in the states.
I haven't seen any structural problems, but walls here let through sound a lot. I don't know how insulation is used here. But even in the states, you have to soundproof by spending money. What my long and boring post is trying to say is that Korean blue collar workers are not staying at work extra hours to look good.

Many of those construction workers are temporary workers from central and south Asia.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: YoungMin on October 26, 2016, 08:49:18 AM
Bbali bbali.....

-pressured into trying for a baby pretty much on your honeymoon.  Leaving no real 'quality married' time after you get married to get used to each other, before the father is expected to earn stacks of cash and work all the time.  Then the kids come and you have no time together because you have to pay for hagwons and extra classes.  Followed by divorce.

****** hell Dave. Right in the feels. My Brother in law's wife just quit her job so they can have a baby. She's not even pregnant. Everyone was like congratulations and I was like, hang on a second, where's the money gonna come from? She had the better job of the two. Now all she does is send group Kakao messages 57 times an hour. Nice gig if you can get it though.
Title: Re: Foreign myths about 'ppalli ppalli
Post by: gogators! on October 26, 2016, 12:04:56 PM
Bbali bbali.....

-pressured into trying for a baby pretty much on your honeymoon.  Leaving no real 'quality married' time after you get married to get used to each other, before the father is expected to earn stacks of cash and work all the time.  Then the kids come and you have no time together because you have to pay for hagwons and extra classes.  Followed by divorce.

****** hell Dave. Right in the feels. My Brother in law's wife just quit her job so they can have a baby. She's not even pregnant. Everyone was like congratulations and I was like, hang on a second, where's the money gonna come from? She had the better job of the two. Now all she does is send group Kakao messages 57 times an hour. Nice gig if you can get it though.
Well if you have enough kids the government pays you monthly, so there's that. And they say welfare mothers make better lovers, so that's another plus.