Even Trump is now admitting Russia hacked the election.
I get my news from a variety of sources, sorry infowars isn't one of them.
at what point is it unacceptable for foreign governments to help ANY candidate?
There are GOPers who agree with many of the findings regarding the Russian threat.
But because Trump is a Republican he gets a pass.
If the Dems wanted an excuse for all out war they would have capitalized off the events in Crimea or Syria.
Quote from: MayorHaggar on January 09, 2017, 02:25:34 PMEven Trump is now admitting Russia hacked the election.If so he has allowed himself to be bullied into a corner (undoubtedly lied to) by the CIA. They're sucking him in pretty easily. pretty soon he'll just be another frontman for the globalists like Obama became. A puppet.He's alone and surrounded by the oligarchy. That is his problem.What he needs to do is order an independent, impartial investigation and surround himself with advisors who are not paid by the CIA. If Trump fails to fulfil his promises then the people will start to realize that the "democratic process" is a sham manipulated by the oligarchy and they cannot bring about change through the ballot box.Quote from: thunderlips on January 09, 2017, 12:05:41 PMI get my news from a variety of sources, sorry infowars isn't one of them.Why not? Try taking in a variety of sources. Are you afraid of your own mind?But fyi, I have never even looked at "infowars", I only know such a website exists because people like you mention it on these threads.There are hundreds if not thousands of independent news websites trying to fill the gap left by the hoelessly biased propaganda machine that the mainstream media has become, its not all about "infowars".Quoteat what point is it unacceptable for foreign governments to help ANY candidate?The crime is not that hackers unveieled Hilary's dark secrets, its that Hilary was shown to a be a lying and corrupt politician.If exposing the truth amounts to a crime, then I can only hope they commit many more.QuoteThere are GOPers who agree with many of the findings regarding the Russian threat.A lot of americans have been brainwashed into a certain mindset about Russia. A lot of these old warhawks date from the 1940's and 50's. They're living in the past. It would take a nuclear blast to make them see sense.Quote But because Trump is a Republican he gets a pass. how has he had a free pass? the mainstream media has been attacking him 24/7.QuoteIf the Dems wanted an excuse for all out war they would have capitalized off the events in Crimea or Syria.They did capitalize off those events. Thanks to their twisted propaganda machine most americans think Russia invaded Crimea and that their main aim in Syria is to kill babies.A % of the crazy neocons wouldn't mind WW3, they remember Hiroshima and think nukes aren't that bad, a nuclear war is winnable. The rest just want to keep isolating, demonizing and harassing Russia in the hope she gives in and accepts to become another vassal state of Washington. That's what the globalist game is all about.
These guys are dropping like flies.Just a coincidence?
Again, no definitive evidence.
Again an undisclosed source, but certainly seems plausible.http://www.businessinsider.com/russians-say-they-have-compromising-information-on-trump-2017-1"The operative claimed that Russian intelligence sources said they had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him" with evidence of his conduct, which included "perverted sexual acts arranged and monitored" by the Russian federal security service (FSB)."
I won't name names because I don't want or mean to suggest Trump is like certain past world leaders, but even in the case of the worst world leaders false information is used to discredit them. Instead of simply saying "x world leader" systematically killed many million peoples for no logical reason, they feel the need to make up false rumors about unproven genital deformities, etc.
Some even better reading:QuoteDIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCEWASHINGTON, DC 20511January 11, 2017DNI Clapper Statement on Conversation with President-elect TrumpThis evening, I had the opportunity to speak with President-elect Donald Trump to discuss recent media reports about our briefing last Friday. I expressed my profound dismay at the leaks that have been appearing in the press, and we both agreed that they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security.We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it. I emphasized that this document is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC. The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.President-elect Trump again affirmed his appreciation for all the men and women serving in the Intelligence Community, and I assured him that the IC stands ready to serve his Administration and the American people. James R. Clapper, Director of National Intelligencehttps://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/224-press-releases-2017/1469-dni-clapper-statement-on-conversation-with-president-elect-trumphttp://i.imgur.com/GJ1kUmZ.jpg is seeming more plausible the longer this goes on.
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCEWASHINGTON, DC 20511January 11, 2017DNI Clapper Statement on Conversation with President-elect TrumpThis evening, I had the opportunity to speak with President-elect Donald Trump to discuss recent media reports about our briefing last Friday. I expressed my profound dismay at the leaks that have been appearing in the press, and we both agreed that they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security.We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it. I emphasized that this document is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC. The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.President-elect Trump again affirmed his appreciation for all the men and women serving in the Intelligence Community, and I assured him that the IC stands ready to serve his Administration and the American people. James R. Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
Soooo basically don't read the document because we say you shouldn't. I doubt half of it is true, doesn't mean that those in a position to investigate shouldn't.
This is going to blow up in the faces of a lot of people/organizations, and they don't include Trump.
Quote from: MWeb37 on January 12, 2017, 01:53:06 PMThis is going to blow up in the faces of a lot of people/organizations, and they don't include Trump.No, he doesn't need anyone to help him with that. You just have to put a microphone in front of the dumb **** and ask any question and he'll blow himself up. Stupid ****. America is in for a long fun year this year. My bets are still on him not even making it the inauguration.
Quote from: MWeb37 on January 11, 2017, 10:03:19 AMAgain, no definitive evidence.So? That never stopped the US when it has come to foreign policy.American actions have been based on lies for quite some time now.
However, do you really need to speculate all that much about Donald Trump? Isn't there enough evidence that he is unqualified, monomaniacal, unprincipled person?
I have heard this type of unverifiable claim against leaders in the same fashion in the past.
Many times countries such as Germany talk big against U.S. policy, but do not take meaningful action against U.S. policy