Bronies meet and greet

[Aurata]

Even Trump is now admitting Russia hacked the election.

If so he has allowed himself to be bullied into a corner (undoubtedly lied to) by the CIA. They're sucking him in pretty easily. pretty soon he'll just be another frontman for the globalists like Obama became. A puppet.

He's alone and surrounded by the oligarchy. That is his problem.


What he needs to do is order an independent, impartial investigation and surround himself with advisors who are not paid by the CIA.


If Trump fails to fulfil his promises then the people will start to realize that the "democratic process" is a sham manipulated by the oligarchy and they cannot bring about change through the ballot box.

I get my news from a variety of sources, sorry infowars isn't one of them.

Why not? Try taking in a variety of sources. Are you afraid of your own mind?

But fyi, I have never even looked at "infowars", I only know such a website exists because people like you mention it on these threads.

There are hundreds if not thousands of independent news websites trying to fill the gap left by the hoelessly biased propaganda machine that the mainstream media has become, its not all about "infowars".

at what point is it unacceptable for foreign governments to help ANY candidate?

The crime is not that hackers unveieled Hilary's dark secrets, its that Hilary was shown to a be a lying and corrupt politician.

If exposing the truth amounts to a crime, then I can only hope they commit many more.

There are GOPers who agree with many of the findings regarding the Russian threat.

A lot of americans have been brainwashed into a certain mindset about Russia. A lot of these old warhawks date from the 1940's and 50's. They're living in the past. It would take a nuclear blast to make them see sense.

But because Trump is a Republican he gets a pass.

how has he had a free pass? the mainstream media has been attacking him 24/7.

If the Dems wanted an excuse for all out war they would have capitalized off the events in Crimea or Syria.

They did capitalize off those events.

Thanks to their twisted propaganda machine most americans think Russia invaded Crimea and that their main aim in Syria is to kill babies.


A % of the crazy neocons wouldn't mind WW3, they remember Hiroshima and think nukes aren't that bad, a nuclear war is winnable. The rest just want to keep isolating, demonizing and harassing Russia in the hope she gives in and accepts to become another vassal state of Washington. That's what the globalist game is all about.

[thunderlips]

Even Trump is now admitting Russia hacked the election.

If so he has allowed himself to be bullied into a corner (undoubtedly lied to) by the CIA. They're sucking him in pretty easily. pretty soon he'll just be another frontman for the globalists like Obama became. A puppet.

He's alone and surrounded by the oligarchy. That is his problem.


What he needs to do is order an independent, impartial investigation and surround himself with advisors who are not paid by the CIA.


If Trump fails to fulfil his promises then the people will start to realize that the "democratic process" is a sham manipulated by the oligarchy and they cannot bring about change through the ballot box.

I get my news from a variety of sources, sorry infowars isn't one of them.

Why not? Try taking in a variety of sources. Are you afraid of your own mind?

But fyi, I have never even looked at "infowars", I only know such a website exists because people like you mention it on these threads.

There are hundreds if not thousands of independent news websites trying to fill the gap left by the hoelessly biased propaganda machine that the mainstream media has become, its not all about "infowars".

at what point is it unacceptable for foreign governments to help ANY candidate?

The crime is not that hackers unveieled Hilary's dark secrets, its that Hilary was shown to a be a lying and corrupt politician.

If exposing the truth amounts to a crime, then I can only hope they commit many more.

There are GOPers who agree with many of the findings regarding the Russian threat.

A lot of americans have been brainwashed into a certain mindset about Russia. A lot of these old warhawks date from the 1940's and 50's. They're living in the past. It would take a nuclear blast to make them see sense.

But because Trump is a Republican he gets a pass.

how has he had a free pass? the mainstream media has been attacking him 24/7.

If the Dems wanted an excuse for all out war they would have capitalized off the events in Crimea or Syria.

They did capitalize off those events.

Thanks to their twisted propaganda machine most americans think Russia invaded Crimea and that their main aim in Syria is to kill babies.


A % of the crazy neocons wouldn't mind WW3, they remember Hiroshima and think nukes aren't that bad, a nuclear war is winnable. The rest just want to keep isolating, demonizing and harassing Russia in the hope she gives in and accepts to become another vassal state of Washington. That's what the globalist game is all about.

Yes... Yes I am. 

But seriously, I am glad the DNC was outed even if the result was Trump being elected.

That still doesn't answer the question of foreign influence/investment in American politics. From the Russian hack to secretly funded super-pacs, we have a serious issue with the way we elect politicians.

We have already beat the Electoral College horse to death.

[thunderlips]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/10/russian-diplomat-found-dead-inside-greece-apartment-no-foul-play-suspected.html

These guys are dropping like flies.

Just a coincidence?

"In an interview with NPR's Steve Inskeep that is airing Friday on Morning Edition, Obama said, "I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections ... we need to take action. And we will — at a time and place of our own choosing. Some of it may be explicit and publicized; some of it may not be."

[Aurata]

These guys are dropping like flies.

Just a coincidence?

not to mention those people who were investigating election fraud etc

It seems like trump may actually be bending to the demands of the establishment..who want to continue antagonizing Russia.

Awful lot of money to be made in making enemies.

[thunderlips]

Again an undisclosed source, but certainly seems plausible.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russians-say-they-have-compromising-information-on-trump-2017-1

"The operative claimed that Russian intelligence sources said they had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him" with evidence of his conduct, which included "perverted sexual acts arranged and monitored" by the Russian federal security service (FSB)."

[Aurata]

Again, no definitive evidence.

So? That never stopped the US when it has come to foreign policy.

American actions have been based on lies for quite some time now.

[weigookin74]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plUdgPMtxig

[maximmm]

Again an undisclosed source, but certainly seems plausible.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russians-say-they-have-compromising-information-on-trump-2017-1

"The operative claimed that Russian intelligence sources said they had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him" with evidence of his conduct, which included "perverted sexual acts arranged and monitored" by the Russian federal security service (FSB)."

Sanders was also not on the same page with Clinton in regards to war with Russia.

I wonder if he too would have been ousted as a Russian agent, if he had won.

The anti-Trump rhetoric is now very similar to the rhetoric in SK regarding Park Geun Hye and her infamous 7 hours when she was having an orgy while getting a plastic surgery and sacrificing children to the dead.

Trump - a Russian agent, had devious sexual acts in Moscow, was blackmailed by the Russians, and ordered the Russian government to hack Clinton.

If Trump doesn't go with the war-party line (not likely - he's already starting to shift his views), expect huge protests, even bigger than the ones in SK. 

[hippo]

I agree that this sort of behavior seems plausible and in character for Donald Trump.  Also, intelligence agencies in the United States and other countries would strive to blackmail Trump if the costs outweigh the benefits.  However, there should be documented evidence.  The things that made the Chelsea Manning, Wikileaks, Snowden, etc. leaks so compelling was that they were verifiable  through written documents, etc.  (That is why there has been a war against whistleblowers.

However, do you really need to speculate all that much about Donald Trump?  Isn't there enough evidence that he is unqualified, monomaniacal, unprincipled person?

I won't name names because I don't want or mean to suggest Trump is like certain past world leaders, but even in the case of the worst world leaders false information is used to discredit them.  Instead of simply saying "x world leader" systematically killed many million peoples for no logical reason, they feel the need to make up false rumors about unproven genital deformities, etc.

[maximmm]

I won't name names because I don't want or mean to suggest Trump is like certain past world leaders, but even in the case of the worst world leaders false information is used to discredit them.  Instead of simply saying "x world leader" systematically killed many million peoples for no logical reason, they feel the need to make up false rumors about unproven genital deformities, etc.

I suspect that they are simply trying to kill 2 birds with one stone.
If they can further demonize Russia and oust Trump at the same time, why not? 

Either way, it seems like the cold war with Russia, which may at some stage easily turn into WW3 is still in the cards for the foreseeable future. 

[thunderlips]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Some good reading for desk warming.

[thunderlips]

Some even better reading:

DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
WASHINGTON, DC  20511

January 11, 2017

DNI Clapper Statement on Conversation with President-elect Trump

This evening, I had the opportunity to speak with President-elect Donald Trump to discuss recent media reports about our briefing last Friday. I expressed my profound dismay at the leaks that have been appearing in the press, and we both agreed that they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security.

We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it. I emphasized that this document is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC. The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.

President-elect Trump again affirmed his appreciation for all the men and women serving in the Intelligence Community, and I assured him that the IC stands ready to serve his Administration and the American people.   

James R. Clapper, Director of National Intelligence

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/224-press-releases-2017/1469-dni-clapper-statement-on-conversation-with-president-elect-trump

http://i.imgur.com/GJ1kUmZ.jpg is seeming more plausible the longer this goes on.

Soooo basically don't read the document because we say you shouldn't. I doubt half of it is true, doesn't mean that those in a position to investigate shouldn't.

[MWeb37]

Soooo basically don't read the document because we say you shouldn't. I doubt half of it is true, doesn't mean that those in a position to investigate shouldn't.

More like "We haven't decided if it's true or not, we still won't mention anything about veracity, but we leaked it 'cause we're intelligence (?)"

Also: "(it was) widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it."

How could something like this circle media, members of congress, and congressional staff for months before the IC even hears about it?

This is going to blow up in the faces of a lot of people/organizations, and they don't include Trump.

[Dave Stepz]

This is going to blow up in the faces of a lot of people/organizations, and they don't include Trump.

No, he doesn't need anyone to help him with that.  You just have to put a microphone in front of the dumb **** and ask any question and he'll blow himself up.  Stupid ****.  America is in for a long fun year this year.  My bets are still on him not even making it the inauguration. 

[MWeb37]

This is going to blow up in the faces of a lot of people/organizations, and they don't include Trump.

No, he doesn't need anyone to help him with that.  You just have to put a microphone in front of the dumb **** and ask any question and he'll blow himself up.  Stupid ****.  America is in for a long fun year this year.  My bets are still on him not even making it the inauguration.

WEW! November 8th must be full of fond memories for you.

[MayorHaggar]

Again, no definitive evidence.

So? That never stopped the US when it has come to foreign policy.

American actions have been based on lies for quite some time now.

[lazerbullet]

Lol you guys actually elected an instable serial liar who likes piss play  psml 

[hippo]

No verifiable proof for the "golden showers" piss allegations.  I have heard this type of unverifiable claim against leaders in the same fashion in the past.   Attack Trump for the easily verifiable things he did do.

Many times countries such as Germany talk big against U.S. policy, but do not take meaningful  action against U.S. policy, even just to reduce its impact..

I have a feeling that Britain would be a lot worse if they were the world's last remaining global empire.  We will see how other countries react once Trump takes office.  Since WW2 destroyed Britain's Empire, they have been all-too-ready to cozy up to U.S. policies--in addition to taking more aggressive actions against press freedoms than the U.S.

Canada gets credit for helping people trying to escape the Vietnam War, but they were involved in the sale of weaponry. 

It's easy to mock the U.S. for its government, but we will see how other Western and allied countries react when the next administration starts.

If you want to read the b.s., read the trash tabloids.  If you want to read  or see things about how awful Donald Trump is, there is plenty of compelling material available. 

[Aurata]

However, do you really need to speculate all that much about Donald Trump?  Isn't there enough evidence that he is unqualified, monomaniacal, unprincipled person?

And Hilary isn't?

He's human, so have all the other presidents been.


Look..the point is.. Obama is trying to box in trump and prevent him from restoring relations with Russia.

The security-industrial complex needs an enemy. The dinosaurs that have been hogging power for decades decided years ago that Russia fits the bill. There are billions to be made in security contracts.

The globalists want to torture Russia into submission until it accepts American hegemony. To become a vassal state like all the rest.

The white house wants to remove any obstacle to their power plays, and Russia is the only power that has consistently been curbing American excesses on the world stage. they want Russia out the way so that they can do whatever they want with the world.


So they put the CIA to work fabricating information to make excuses to continue antagonizing Russia. Maybe they are preparing the American people for some kind of incident or attack on Russia before Trump takes office.

I have heard this type of unverifiable claim against leaders in the same fashion in the past. 

Science has proved that repeating a lie often enough results in the people accepting it as true.

Science also shows that people will accept almost any lie if it is thought to come from a responsible actor (such as the US govt).

Many times countries such as Germany talk big against U.S. policy, but do not take meaningful  action against U.S. policy

That's because these countries are all at least partially controlled, directly or indirectly, by Washington.

The EU is a CIA project. The globalists count half the worlds media and politicians among their members or in the control thereof. on their payroll. In their secret societies.

[TorontoToronto]

How is the EU a CIA project? To which extent? My reading of history is the EU grew out of the European Coal and Steel Community. At which point did the CIA become involved? What historical document support that claim?