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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #220 on: September 17, 2017, 03:11:55 AM »
How extensive was Russia's use of Facebook to meddle with the presidential election? Even Facebook doesn't know.

One week after it told the country that it had sold $100,000 worth of ads to a Russian troll farm during the 2016 election, Facebook is still not sure whether pro-Kremlin groups may have made other ad buys intended to influence American politics that it simply hasn't discovered yet, sources with knowledge of the matter said

These sources said it is entirely possible that unidentified ad buys may still exist on the social media network today.


http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/14/media/facebook-russia-questions/index.html


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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #221 on: September 17, 2017, 01:08:19 PM »
I don't think the Trumpsters have realized yet that Russia is quite close to China, Iran, and North Korea.


Anyway Putin only got Trump elected so he can destroy NATO. Say goodbye to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, and a few others. All because a few thousand people in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania wanted to feel better about being white.

Please don't tell me you're one of those people that think Donald Trump won "cuz white supremacy"? Reading too much Buzzfeed isn't good for anyone.

I would also like to see how Russia orchestrated Trump's win.
I get the feeling the evidence could be right in front of you and you still couldn't see it.

White supremacists, along with religious zealots, are trumpy's core supporters.

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« Reply #222 on: September 18, 2017, 08:21:52 AM »
I get the feeling the evidence could be right in front of you and you still couldn't see it.

White supremacists, along with religious zealots, are trumpy's core supporters.

Shouldn't there be some sort of large-scale white supremacy organization with membership in the 10s of millions? Shouldn't we have a million man march of white supremacists? They had their march and what, like 300 of them turned up?

This is why any minority that set foot inside a Trump rally was beaten...oh wait, you had Latinos for Trump, Arabs for Trump, Asians for Trump, Blacks for Trump, Diamond & Silk, Red Pill Black, Sheriff Dave Clarke, Raheem Kassem, and then twitter/youtube people like Ian Miles Cheong who are not so much pro-Trump as just against the SJW madness that has taken over.

By characterizing Trump's support as a bunch of racist bigots and theocrats, Democrats doom themselves to losing elections.

Trump won because his message of national unity, and MAGA (used car sales pitch it may be) was more appealing. A Dem could run with MAGA and win. In fact, one already won with a similar pitch to Trump- it was Obama in '08. Clinton won with it in 1992 as well. Trump just took their "Bubba vote" (How else did Obama manage to carry Indiana, Iowa, and North Carolina?) and slapped his own packaging around it and tossed in some illegal immigration and trade deal rhetoric.

The Dems on the other hand, in the view of many, were offering little but the "same old" and the division of SJW identity politics. $15/hr. minimum wage? Is that what people want? To work on minimum wage/be on welfare for the rest of their lives? A message of "We barely tolerate religion"?

The left has been calling everyone racists so much that people have started to just tune it out and ignore it. They cried wolf once too often and now the American people just ignore it.

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« Reply #223 on: September 18, 2017, 01:44:37 PM »
I get the feeling the evidence could be right in front of you and you still couldn't see it.

White supremacists, along with religious zealots, are trumpy's core supporters.

Shouldn't there be some sort of large-scale white supremacy organization with membership in the 10s of millions? Shouldn't we have a million man march of white supremacists? They had their march and what, like 300 of them turned up?

This is why any minority that set foot inside a Trump rally was beaten...oh wait, you had Latinos for Trump, Arabs for Trump, Asians for Trump, Blacks for Trump, Diamond & Silk, Red Pill Black, Sheriff Dave Clarke, Raheem Kassem, and then twitter/youtube people like Ian Miles Cheong who are not so much pro-Trump as just against the SJW madness that has taken over.

By characterizing Trump's support as a bunch of racist bigots and theocrats, Democrats doom themselves to losing elections.

Trump won because his message of national unity, and MAGA (used car sales pitch it may be) was more appealing. A Dem could run with MAGA and win. In fact, one already won with a similar pitch to Trump- it was Obama in '08. Clinton won with it in 1992 as well. Trump just took their "Bubba vote" (How else did Obama manage to carry Indiana, Iowa, and North Carolina?) and slapped his own packaging around it and tossed in some illegal immigration and trade deal rhetoric.

The Dems on the other hand, in the view of many, were offering little but the "same old" and the division of SJW identity politics. $15/hr. minimum wage? Is that what people want? To work on minimum wage/be on welfare for the rest of their lives? A message of "We barely tolerate religion"?

The left has been calling everyone racists so much that people have started to just tune it out and ignore it. They cried wolf once too often and now the American people just ignore it.
People can be racists without being part of a white supremacy group, without holding marches or protests or without telling you about it.

Obama's message was nothing like trumped up's.

Is it that you're embarrassed about being a trumper that makes you willing to spin, lie and distort the facts to support him? Don't look now but your ignorance is showing.

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« Reply #224 on: September 18, 2017, 03:29:37 PM »

People can be racists without being part of a white supremacy group, without holding marches or protests or without telling you about it.

Obama's message was nothing like trumped up's.

Is it that you're embarrassed about being a trumper that makes you willing to spin, lie and distort the facts to support him? Don't look now but your ignorance is showing.

Yes, they can, and they can have certain prejudices, but as far as blatant white supremacy, I don't think most Trump supporters agree with that. That's like saying people waving Mexican flags are fanatical La Raza supporters who want to support the Reconquista. I don't believe in letting an extreme fringe characterize the large base of both parties.

If anything many Trump supporters/Breitbarters are enthusiastic supporters of minorities who share their views, and not in some sort of 'Uncle Tom' fashion bet feel they are genuinely good spokespeople and want to see them in positions of power and feel they would better represent them than say, Tim Kaine or even Mitch McConnell.

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Obama's message was nothing like trumped up's.

No, but Trump's borrowed from much of Obama's playbook and Bubba Bill's as well. It was about a disaffected working and middle class that felt that Washington had left them behind and was out of touch. "It's the economy, stupid!"

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Is it that you're embarrassed about being a trumper that makes you willing to spin, lie and distort the facts to support him? Don't look now but your ignorance is showing.

Articulate and thoughtful reply to what I posted, with plenty of evidence to support your claim. Real insightful.

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« Reply #225 on: September 18, 2017, 06:33:23 PM »

People can be racists without being part of a white supremacy group, without holding marches or protests or without telling you about it.

Obama's message was nothing like trumped up's.

Is it that you're embarrassed about being a trumper that makes you willing to spin, lie and distort the facts to support him? Don't look now but your ignorance is showing.

Yes, they can, and they can have certain prejudices, but as far as blatant white supremacy, I don't think most Trump supporters agree with that. That's like saying people waving Mexican flags are fanatical La Raza supporters who want to support the Reconquista. I don't believe in letting an extreme fringe characterize the large base of both parties.

If anything many Trump supporters/Breitbarters are enthusiastic supporters of minorities who share their views, and not in some sort of 'Uncle Tom' fashion bet feel they are genuinely good spokespeople and want to see them in positions of power and feel they would better represent them than say, Tim Kaine or even Mitch McConnell.

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Obama's message was nothing like trumped up's.

No, but Trump's borrowed from much of Obama's playbook and Bubba Bill's as well. It was about a disaffected working and middle class that felt that Washington had left them behind and was out of touch. "It's the economy, stupid!"

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Is it that you're embarrassed about being a trumper that makes you willing to spin, lie and distort the facts to support him? Don't look now but your ignorance is showing.

Articulate and thoughtful reply to what I posted, with plenty of evidence to support your claim. Real insightful.
Trumped up is trying to undo everything Obama did.

Elections are always about the economy, and the majority realized that they were better off with someone who would continue Obama's policies. Median income for the middle class was up substantially in 2016.

But farmer joe and redneck rick fell for trumped up's schtick, which is mainly updated nativism.

Your analogies are facile at best. 

So as long as racism isn't blatant, you're OK with it? It's not OK to lynch someone, but it's OK to take away their right to vote. Have I got your position right?

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #226 on: September 22, 2017, 11:51:10 PM »
I think it's time the American public seriously considered getting their News not only from CNN... but also RT, Al Jazeera and of course independent research. Stay away from Fox news for goodness sake as you are all being lied to on a daily, weekly, monthly and yearly basis.

Russia is surrounded by US bases and somehow is seen as the aggressor.

The US has a strong history of meddling in other people's elections and has no evidence Russia has committed THEIR crime.

The world DOES NOT belong to the United States. 

And for the record... Crimea was nothing more than a coup orchestrated by Washington, the citizens residing there are pro-Russian and happy Putin took the step he did.

The U.S. will never stop their hegemony until the whole world is in the palm of their hands. It's great we have countries outside the west that simply will not allow this to happen.

Pray for The World.


I couldn't agree more.


But there's a problem. Putin can't stand up to the west in the way he needs to because his country is run by 100+ oligarchs who are financially integrated into the west. You heard right. The ruling elites of both Russia and the US are part of the same financial set.

putins only chance is to nationalize without compensation the holdings of Russias billionaires. They stole their ill-gotten gains from the people after all, at the time of the break up of the USSR.

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In the faceoff with the United States and its allies over the Ukraine crisis, President Vladimir Putin of Russia seems to have blinked. On May 7th, he asked the pro-Russian protesters who were calling for the May 11 referendum on “federalization” to postpone the autonomy vote. At the same time he also endorsed the junta’s hastily scheduled May 25 presidential election, which is designed to give legitimacy to the illegitimate regime in Kiev. Mr. Putin further announced that Russian troops along the Ukraine-Russian border had returned to their usual (pre-crisis) positions.

The question is why? Why has he adopted a posture of accommodation with the US?

Follow the Money: The Role of Oligarchs

While there may be more than one reason for Mr. Putin’s conciliatory gestures, the main factor seems to be economics, especially the financial interests of the powerful oligarchs that are deeply integrated into the financial networks and institutions of the West, and which are therefore threatened by economic sanctions and geopolitical turbulence. According to Forbes Magazine’s list of world billionaires for 2014, Russia has the third highest number of billionaires (111) after the United States (492) and (China 152) [1].

Russia’s financial moguls are mostly former bureaucrats (or their children and cronies) of the Soviet era who quickly became billionaires by virtue of fire-sale privatizations of state industries and other public properties when the Soviet Union collapsed. Contrary to the generally industrious and innovative entrepreneurs of the early stages of capitalism in the West, who were sometimes called revolutionary bourgeoisie, Russia’s oligarchic nouveau-riche have had largely a parasitic economic/financial role. By having scandalously ascended to the commanding heights of Russia’s economy, they have thus made the entire national economy dependent upon and, therefore, vulnerable to the fate or performance of their own fortunes in the marketplace, especially international markets. And since their financial fortunes are significantly vulnerable to economic sanction and other threats by Western powers, so is the entire Russian economy.

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« Reply #227 on: September 23, 2017, 03:10:41 AM »
"The Russia hoax continues, now it's ads on Facebook," Trump tweeted. "What about the totally biased and dishonest Media coverage in favor of Crooked Hillary?" (Why is "Media" capitalized? I ask myself these questions all the time.)

Then, shortly after that first tweet came this one: "The greatest influence over our election was the Fake News Media 'screaming' for Crooked Hillary Clinton. Next, she was a bad candidate!"

In the first tweet, Trump was reacting directly to the news announced Thursday afternoon that Facebook was turning over to special counsel Robert Mueller more than 3,000 ads run on its site by a known Russian troll farm. The second tweet was more standard-issue Trumping -- downplaying Russian influence by trying to make the case that the biased media and Clinton's candidate skills were the only factors in the race.

The problem with that line of thinking is that it's a) wrong and b) leaves the US open to future intrusions by foreign powers on our elections.

How is it wrong? Because every intelligence agency in a position to know has said there is definitive proof Russia was seeking to meddle in the 2016 election with the purpose of helping Trump and hurting Clinton. The CIA. The FBI. The NSA.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/22/politics/trump-hoax-russia/index.html

Every intelligence official -- from former FBI Director James Comey to former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper -- agrees that Russia views their role in the 2016 election as a success and that they will be back for more come 2018 and 2020.

"I think one of the lessons the Russians may have drawn from this is that this works," Comey said at a Judiciary Committee hearing in May. "And so as I said a month or so ago, I expect to see them back in 2018, and especially in 2020."

By minimizing the threat posed by Russians trying to influence US elections, Trump is ensuring that whatever Mueller finds will be seen through a totally partisan lens by many of his followers. It won't be taken at face value or anything close to it.

And, that's not even the biggest problem! The biggest problem is that the president of the United States has repeatedly and publicly denied the idea that Russia was involved in trying to throw the election to him. That means that whatever recommendations Mueller -- and the congressional committees also investigating Russia's role in 2016 -- make to Trump about how to keep this from happening again are likely to be ignored or minimized.

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« Reply #228 on: September 23, 2017, 09:20:43 AM »
According to Newsweek, the chief executive officer of Hermitage Capital Management said that he thinks Mr Putin is worth $200bn.

Newsweek said that Mr Browder’s company was once the largest portfolio investor in Russia and that Mr Browder was a shareholder in Gazprom, Surgutneftegas and other Russian state-run enterprises in the 1990s.

Around that time Putin reportedly made a deal with Russian businessmen that made him the “richest man in the world”.

Mr Putin’s personal fortune has been the subject of intense debate and speculation in recent years.

Newsweek reports that, according to Mr Putin's official asset form – a mandatory public disclosure for all Russian government officials – he earns $133,000 a year and has a modest apartment in Moscow.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/world-richest-people-vladimir-putin-wealth-russian-president-bill-gates-jeff-bezos-combined-a7868606.html

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #229 on: September 23, 2017, 09:23:58 AM »


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The most often cited estimate comes from a former mid-level Kremlin adviser named Stanislav Belkovsky. In 2007, he claimed Putin had a fortune worth at least $40 billion

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"At least $40 billion,” Belkovsy told the Guardian at the time.“Maximum we cannot know. I suspect there are some businesses I know nothing about."

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« Reply #230 on: September 23, 2017, 04:18:46 PM »
CNN poll: 54% say Russia-backed content on social media moved 2016 election

Although President Donald Trump insists otherwise, most Americans say it's likely that Russian-backed content on social media did affect the outcome of the 2016 election, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

The poll result comes on the heels of Facebook's announcement that it would turn over to Congressional investigators information related to more than 3,000 ads the company says were sold to accounts linked to a Russian troll farm between June 2015 and May 2017.


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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #231 on: September 23, 2017, 09:11:06 PM »
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« Reply #232 on: September 23, 2017, 09:35:15 PM »
Facebook’s initial search was for buyers who took out potentially political ads and either self-identified as Russian, had Russian set as their language, had a Russian IP address, or paid for the ad in Russian rubles. That search turned up 2,000 ads worth $50,000.

Afterwards, Facebook “dove in,” said one of the people briefed, further investigating the buyers it had identified in the initial search. That uncovered an additional 3,000 political ads worth $100,000, which were linked to the Internet Research Agency, a Russian “troll farm,” as Facebook disclosed this month.

Some Congress members, however, believe that the company has yet to quantify the full scope of the problem. “It is very likely there are other ads placed by Russians” that may have influenced the election, said a Congressional staffer briefed on the testimony. “It’s not that difficult to conceal your IP address by getting a VPN, and to use PayPal” to convert your payment from rubles. The $150,000 that Facebook has made public “is the low-hanging fruit,” the staffer said.

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #233 on: September 23, 2017, 11:40:20 PM »
What percentage of these ads composed the overall percentage of political advertising?

And what ads specifically were these?

Seems like this isn't being revealed because 99% of the population would go "I never saw that." And of the 1% that did, 99.99% of them were unaffected by those ads.

Again, this race was over in the Michigan primary when Sanders beat Clinton and Trump rolled to victory. The writing was on the wall. Hillary's collapse sealed it. Trump's Access Hollywood tape made the thing close. If you think Russian facebook ads are why Hillary lost, you're delusional.

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« Reply #234 on: September 24, 2017, 12:04:42 AM »
Seven million people saw the ads. Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes, a 0.23% margin.


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« Reply #235 on: September 24, 2017, 12:09:45 AM »
99.99% of them were unaffected by those ads.

You're overestimating human intelligence.

Loads of adults believe Alex Jones "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy crap, including some members of this board.

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« Reply #236 on: September 24, 2017, 01:11:12 AM »
More news the western MSM won't tell you:

Military exercises.

In 2017 Russia has held 1 (one) routine military drill along the border with Ukraine- the
Zapad exercises (September 14-20), involving 5500 Russian & 7200 Belarus troops.

In 2017 so far NATO has held 85 military exercises next to the Russian border, with 120,000 troops participating.

Sanctions

Russia has lost $55bn since the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis.

The European union lost $100 bn over the same period. Thats what you get for being Washingtons puppet.

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« Reply #237 on: September 24, 2017, 12:39:22 PM »
Shortly after the election – and several more times -- I posted the opinion piece below about why Trump really won, and it still stands.  The anti-Trump people can continue to post, shout and believe that the election was only about Putin, racism and sexism, and the more they do so, the better it is for Trump. 

Let’s apply the “Russian” theory to a guy fictionally named Jim:

•   Jim graduated from a Michigan high school in June 1967.  His father worked at an auto plant and they owned their own home.   
•   Jim could not/did not want to go to college, was single, had no children and planned to work at a factory.  He was drafted and sent to Vietnam.  In 1967, 11,000 Americans died in Vietnam and in 1968 almost 17,000 died. 

https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1967/9/28/the-1967-draft-act-where-you/

•   Jim returned from Nam, got his job at a factory, learned that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was basically “fashioned” to justify the U.S. build-up in Vietnam, and saw South Vietnam fall in 1975.
http://www.history.com/news/the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-50-years-ago

•   Under NAFTA Jim’s factory was closed and his job was sent to another country.
•   Jim lost his house in 2008.
•   Coming from a union family Jim’s family had traditional voted Democratic.
•   Both the Democrats and Republicans were responsible for Vietnam and both parties were responsible for closing U.S. factories and sending jobs overseas.
•   Jim was one of the millions of people who had voted for Obama in 2012, but voted for Trump in 2016.  He had tried voting for both parties, got nothing, so why not roll the dice…….

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Both Obama and Trump ran as change agents, against the establishment and corporate interests….

But Trump and Obama had other things in common. Both ran as outsiders at a time of widespread distrust in America’s institutions; both claimed the mantle of populism, albeit in different ways:..............
             

But, according to the “Russian Collusion” propagandists (another ”ist”), this is what really happened:
 
•   Jim heard Putin’s “call” and woke up.
•   Jim forgot all about what both the Democrats and Republicans had done with Vietnam.
•   Jim forgot all about what both the Democrats and Republicans had done with jobs. 
•   Jim forgot that he had lost his house.
•   Jim forgot all about the fact that W. Bush ran as a “compassionate” conservative and promised no “nation” building. 
•   Jim forgot all about Obama’s promise of change, but “practice” of business as usual.
•   Thanks to Putin only now did Jim realize that H. Clinton was just another establishment politician.  Before Putin, because of all her campaigning in the “rust belt” States Jim believed that H. Clinton would be the “change” president that he and others wanted.   
•   Jim followed Putin’s diabolical plan and voted for Trump.

Oh yes, I almost forgot.  In 2012, when Jim voted for Obama he was considered to be an “enlightened” individual, but in 2016, when Jim voted for Trump he was considered to be a racist-sexist-uneducated-deplorable-person.

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Sorry, uncovering America’s racist underbelly wasn’t why Trump won

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/sorry-uncovering-americas-racist-underbelly-wasnt-why-trump-won-commentary.html
9 November 2016  Jake Novak | @jakejakeny 

Millions of Americans, especially those in the Washington establishment, woke up on Wednesday feeling shocked and hurt by the surprise election of Donald Trump to the White House. But like every failure or painful turn in life, it will mean nothing and lead to nothing but hurt feelings unless these wounded Americans learn a real lesson today and become tomorrow's wise. To do that, they must accept and learn the real reason Trump won.

First, they need to ignore the prevailing angry explanations that are all off the mark. The first incorrect reason many of us began hearing well before Election Day was that Trump was being bolstered by overt racists and more nuanced "alt-right" haters who were acting like a springboard after eight years of an African-American in the Oval Office………..

The second reason many people have been using as a crutch against the real reason for Trump's victory is sexism……..

The last wrong explanation for Clinton's loss is one people both on the Left and the Right are making: The Clinton email scandal……..

Nope, the real reasons Trump won have been real in America for at least the last 40 or so years. They are all the same reasons I finally recognized five-plus months ago when I first realized he was headed to victory. It's simple: The largest single economic group in our country has been sold out and ignored by the leaders of both parties for more than a generation. They are the hourly wage-earning Americans who have been bounced around from good manufacturing jobs, to service jobs, to seasonal work without the rest of us noticing that much.   And that's even though there are a lot more of them than the college-educated white collar office workers out there. You know the financial uncertainty you felt last night when you saw the Dow futures crash down by 750 points? That's the kind of emotion millions of your fellow Americans have been feeling every night for years even though they're not "poor" or even necessarily unemployed.

These are the people who have been the acceptable sacrifices for our trade and wage-deflating immigration policies that do boost our economy overall ... just not for them. These are the people who have been scoffed at for not choosing to go to college, even though doing so has become an exercise in playing a game of "economic chicken" with student loans and irrelevant skills.

And it goes beyond economics. This is a divide that truly began in America during the Vietnam War, which was protested and defended by the rich and upper middle class while the lower middle class and poor actually did the fighting in country.   That divide and the wounds from it have never really healed. I doubt we'll ever see an exit poll this specific, but I'd be willing to bet that Trump won 60 percent plus of the Vietnam veterans' vote because he spoke to their past and current pain in a way actual Vietnam vets like John Kerry and John McCain — guys who actually served in the war — never could…………….

Hillary Clinton and the 16 Republicans who lost to Trump in the primaries failed because they really have thought of this group of people as "deplorables." Clinton was just the unlucky one who got caught saying so………….. 
                       

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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/24/opinions/youngstown-voters-opinion-sracic/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/upshot/why-the-election-is-close-and-what-trump-and-obama-have-in-common.html
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/15/502032052/lots-of-people-voted-for-obama-and-trump-heres-where-in-3-charts
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/upshot/how-did-trump-win-over-so-many-obama-voters.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/trump-won-a-lot-of-white-working-class-obama-voters.html
                 
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« Reply #238 on: September 24, 2017, 02:12:24 PM »
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Professor Philip N. Howard of the University of Oxford found that about one half of all news on Twitter directed at Michigan prior to the election was junk or fake. The other half came from real news sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#Social_media_and_internet_trolls

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