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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1320 on: October 07, 2016, 12:27:39 PM »
It is a trade-off.

Kids are left completely unsupervised during breaks, including lunch, and recess.

It's complete madness, dangerous, you name it.

However, once class begins, they are expected to toe the line.

Teachers need their break time, lunch time, etc., and the school doesn't employ "recess" staff (heck, they don't even pay to have schools cleaned properly), so what do you suggest?

If the parents are OK with it, why does it bother you?

I mean, when kids get hurt, they aren't going to hold you responsible, so not sure why you would care.

In this environment/culture kids need to be able to learn to socialize and fend for themselves, rather than expecting "authority" to protect them.

Look at Korea's police force.  That should answer your question.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1321 on: October 07, 2016, 12:38:58 PM »
When I was at school  we had to go straight from one lesson to the next, then we would get a 20 minute the lesson before lunch. That's so much better than the ten minutes they get between lessons here where they seem to think they can do absolutely anything they want.

At my school they absolutely do anything they want. On my way to lunch today, three boys literally wrestled backwards down a flight of crowded stairs. I was flanked by three different Korean teachers, no one said a word...
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1322 on: October 07, 2016, 12:50:29 PM »
FND,

Not sure what you expect others to do...

There are a couple of kids at my current school who actually crap in the urinal.

What do you suggest?


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1323 on: October 07, 2016, 12:54:24 PM »


However, once class begins, they are expected to tow the line.



How do you tow a line?
Thank you.

How about, toe the line? ;)

(I'm using my phone, and the "w" is next to the "e")
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1324 on: October 07, 2016, 01:00:06 PM »
FND,

Not sure what you expect others to do...

There are a couple of kids at my current school who actually crap in the urinal.

What do you suggest?

Just ranting/venting in the Ranting/Venting Megathread. Don't really have a suggestion. Don't really feel like it's my place to make one (I haven't even been here a year, so...).

I'm just expressing my continual surprise at the amount of insanity that's tolerated is all (crapping in urinals, for instance).

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« Reply #1325 on: October 07, 2016, 01:02:48 PM »
FND,

Not sure what you expect others to do...

There are a couple of kids at my current school who actually crap in the urinal.

What do you suggest?

I know I wasn't the one addressed, but I say: instill a better sense of discipline in them from the beginning! In the US I feel like there are actually consequences when you do stuff like that. Even if you can't stop it in the moment, the kids get written up or whatever. After enough time, they just don't even try that shit because they know that they'll have consequences later.

I think it's kind of a vicious cycle. The teachers don't want to be in the halls/classrooms during break time because they know the kids will be crazy, but because there are no teachers around, the kids know they can be even crazier with no consequence because there's no one there to see and enforce any rules or write them up. I understand now why my cots always wait until the last minute to go up to the classroom - because they want to avoid hall craziness.

For those of us who don't move from classroom to classroom, I think it's hard to understand the 10 minute break between classes, but now that I have to move, I really think it's for the teachers' benefit rather than the students. Having enough time to take a sip of water, get the materials ready for the next class, sit down for a couple minutes, it can be pretty important when you're running from classroom to classroom.

There's definitely room to improve though.

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« Reply #1326 on: October 07, 2016, 01:12:15 PM »
FND,

Not sure what you expect others to do...

There are a couple of kids at my current school who actually crap in the urinal.

What do you suggest?

I know I wasn't the one addressed, but I say: instill a better sense of discipline in them from the beginning! In the US I feel like there are actually consequences when you do stuff like that. Even if you can't stop it in the moment, the kids get written up or whatever. After enough time, they just don't even try that shit because they know that they'll have consequences later.

I think it's kind of a vicious cycle. The teachers don't want to be in the halls/classrooms during break time because they know the kids will be crazy, but because there are no teachers around, the kids know they can be even crazier with no consequence because there's no one there to see and enforce any rules or write them up. I understand now why my cots always wait until the last minute to go up to the classroom - because they want to avoid hall craziness.

For those of us who don't move from classroom to classroom, I think it's hard to understand the 10 minute break between classes, but now that I have to move, I really think it's for the teachers' benefit rather than the students. Having enough time to take a sip of water, get the materials ready for the next class, sit down for a couple minutes, it can be pretty important when you're running from classroom to classroom.

There's definitely room to improve though.

OMG this is just reminding me that I desperately wish the English classes were just in the homerooms and that we didn't have separate English classrooms. The teachers at my school are all really nice and the VP is super chill so I wouldn't mind having a cubicle in the teacher's office. God, that would be so nice... No students messing everything on my desk; no cleaning after the students; no yelling at students during break time to stop running around the classrooms... and best of all, easy access to a fridge and kettle. :laugh: The special classrooms (so including the English one) are also used for afterschool classes, which means that I'm not in the room during those times. I have no control over the students (first and second graders) and even if I talk to the teacher responsible, they aren't regular teachers at my school; they get brought in on a half-year contract so they don't really care if the kids get messy. :rolleyes:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1327 on: October 07, 2016, 01:13:33 PM »
sevenpm,

No need for name-calling.

They are not your children.  They have Korean parents of their own, OK?

Ages ago, I visited my Korean colleague's apartment to have dinner with his family.  At the table, his young son was sitting on the back of his chair with his feet on the seat (he was Korean age 5, so like 4).

Any "responsible" parent from the US would have asked the child to sit down properly in his chair, so as not to injury himself.

I could see what was to happen, but as a guest, I said nothing.

He ended up falling back in his chair and cracking his head open.

It wasn't a pleasant situation.

My colleague explained to me that as his son is his little prince, he needs to come to learn these things on his own.

I don't completely agree or disagree, as "parenting" surely has its place, but I know my role and keep to my lane.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1328 on: October 07, 2016, 01:22:00 PM »
It's been 7 weeks since I left Korea and I'm STILL waiting for my housing deposit  :evil:

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« Reply #1329 on: October 07, 2016, 01:22:33 PM »

OMG this is just reminding me that I desperately wish the English classes were just in the homerooms and that we didn't have separate English classrooms. The teachers at my school are all really nice and the VP is super chill so I wouldn't mind having a cubicle in the teacher's office. God, that would be so nice... No students messing everything on my desk; no cleaning after the students; no yelling at students during break time to stop running around the classrooms... and best of all, easy access to a fridge and kettle. :laugh: The special classrooms (so including the English one) are also used for afterschool classes, which means that I'm not in the room during those times. I have no control over the students (first and second graders) and even if I talk to the teacher responsible, they aren't regular teachers at my school; they get brought in on a half-year contract so they don't really care if the kids get messy. :rolleyes:

lol yirgacheffe we can trade. I really wish that I had my own English office thing. There actually is one in my school but it's just used as an English library and during lunch my cot sets up English movies/shows for the kids to watch. There's no internet set up there either so I can't use it. I really don't focus well in this whole open layout environment, I need my own comfy space in order to be productive. I much prefer teaching in the English room rather than switching classrooms though, because I can just keep all my materials there rather than having to carry them around, and if I need some special seat setup I can just do it myself at the beginning of the day rather than asking the students to set it up in every class.

I can't wait until the veil of construction heck is lifted. Month and a half behind schedule lmao

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1330 on: October 07, 2016, 01:23:15 PM »
From public school or from a pivate owner?

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« Reply #1331 on: October 07, 2016, 01:25:10 PM »

OMG this is just reminding me that I desperately wish the English classes were just in the homerooms and that we didn't have separate English classrooms. The teachers at my school are all really nice and the VP is super chill so I wouldn't mind having a cubicle in the teacher's office. God, that would be so nice... No students messing everything on my desk; no cleaning after the students; no yelling at students during break time to stop running around the classrooms... and best of all, easy access to a fridge and kettle. :laugh: The special classrooms (so including the English one) are also used for afterschool classes, which means that I'm not in the room during those times. I have no control over the students (first and second graders) and even if I talk to the teacher responsible, they aren't regular teachers at my school; they get brought in on a half-year contract so they don't really care if the kids get messy. :rolleyes:

lol yirgacheffe we can trade. I really wish that I had my own English office thing. There actually is one in my school but it's just used as an English library and during lunch my cot sets up English movies/shows for the kids to watch. There's no internet set up there either so I can't use it. I really don't focus well in this whole open layout environment, I need my own comfy space in order to be productive. I much prefer teaching in the English room rather than switching classrooms though, because I can just keep all my materials there rather than having to carry them around, and if I need some special seat setup I can just do it myself at the beginning of the day rather than asking the students to set it up in every class.

I can't wait until the veil of construction heck is lifted. Month and a half behind schedule lmao

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I guess it goes to show we all want what we can't (don't) have.

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« Reply #1332 on: October 07, 2016, 01:26:21 PM »
From public school or from a pivate owner?

Public

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« Reply #1333 on: October 07, 2016, 01:29:05 PM »
Imo,

I'm not telling anyone, anything, as I appreciate that this is a rant thread.

I'm just looking to understand where their head is at and what they expect, along with killing some time.

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« Reply #1334 on: October 07, 2016, 01:32:31 PM »
From public school or from a pivate owner?

Public
That's messed up.

What is their excuse?

Did you get your severance and pension in full?

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« Reply #1335 on: October 07, 2016, 01:34:39 PM »
From public school or from a pivate owner?

Public
That's messed up.

What is their excuse?

Did you get your severance and pension in full?

My co is just totally ignoring me so I'm not even getting any excuses from my school. I got my severence 3 weeks after I left, which was also later than I expected. And I don't qualify for pension because I'm British!

I emailed the co ordinator for the office of ed but he's on holiday currently  :undecided:

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« Reply #1336 on: October 07, 2016, 01:35:08 PM »
Imo,

I'm not telling anyone, anything, as I appreciate that this is a rant thread.

I'm just looking to understand where their head is at and what they expect, along with killing some time.

The way that you ask questions is easily interpreted as badgering/disbelief. Tone is hard online though and harder still for some people. I think most of the time that's why people see you as disagreeable (even me sometimes haha).

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« Reply #1337 on: October 07, 2016, 01:39:40 PM »
From public school or from a pivate owner?

Public
That's messed up.

What is their excuse?

Did you get your severance and pension in full?

My co is just totally ignoring me so I'm not even getting any excuses from my school. I got my severence 3 weeks after I left, which was also later than I expected. And I don't qualify for pension because I'm British!

I emailed the co ordinator for the office of ed but he's on holiday currently  :undecided:
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1338 on: October 07, 2016, 01:51:24 PM »
Why is it when coteachers ask you a question about the difference between two answers they don't tell you what the original question was???

I can tell you the difference between the two sentences, yes.

What I CAN'T tell you is which one is right because I have zero context as to what the original question was....there's virtually a million different ways to answer questions in English and while some may convey more or less information than the other ones, that in itself does not make the answer wrong.

Idk that just seems so weird to me, I told my coteacher on multiple occasions that I can't tell her which one is right without the original question. But she will just text me two sentences (At ALL hours of the day and night mind you) and ask me which one is wrong....wrong in regards to what ma'am???

ughhhhh

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« Reply #1339 on: October 07, 2016, 01:59:02 PM »
I'm going to offend loads of people here.....I'm sick of hearing people from the US whinge about how things are different at home.

I get it, and I know why people do it and i know they are just comparing it to their home as I would do with the UK and I know there is absolutely no reason for me to be so enraged...but  sometimes it makes me want to scream. I think it's just cos there are more of you so I see it more....


There are other countries in the world, and many of them do things differently to the US. Get over it.


]This thing wouldn't happen in the US" "In the US we do it like this and it's successful"

"This thing that happens in Korea doesn't happen back home in the US and in the US we do it the right way"

I can't find authentic mexican food

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Sorry  :sad:

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