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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2014, 10:56:55 AM »
South Africa has something of a different law regarding homicide (murder) than America or Canada. What the judges verdict says is this: Oscar did not have the intent to kill Reeva Steenkamp. He did not shoot through the door with the express purpose of killing her. But, his actions were unreasonably dangerous and he should have foreseen that, by shooting through the door, he could reasonably be expected to kill a person (not necessarily Reeva). So he is found guilty of culpable homicide (what would be manslaughter in America) and not murder.

In all honesty, after following the evidence that the prosecution and the defence put forward, the judge made the right call. It was not proven beyond reasonable doubt that Oscar intended on killing Reeva. She couldn't have found him guilty of murder. She could, and did, find him guilty of the lesser charge. Justice was done.

Source: I was a practising attorney in South Africa before coming to Korea.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2014, 11:59:05 AM »
South Africa has something of a different law regarding homicide (murder) than America or Canada. What the judges verdict says is this: Oscar did not have the intent to kill Reeva Steenkamp. He did not shoot through the door with the express purpose of killing her. But, his actions were unreasonably dangerous and he should have foreseen that, by shooting through the door, he could reasonably be expected to kill a person (not necessarily Reeva). So he is found guilty of culpable homicide (what would be manslaughter in America) and not murder.

In all honesty, after following the evidence that the prosecution and the defence put forward, the judge made the right call. It was not proven beyond reasonable doubt that Oscar intended on killing Reeva. She couldn't have found him guilty of murder. She could, and did, find him guilty of the lesser charge. Justice was done.

Source: I was a practising attorney in South Africa before coming to Korea.

As an attorney I'm sure you're very familiar with people's idea that as long as the way he acted was stupid enough and/or the consequence of his actions was bad enough then proper jurisprudence doesn't actually apply and he should just be punished anyway. Not that I particularly want to reference the can of worms that it is (it's just the most topical example) but Social Justice types often stray into the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset  and don't even realize they're doing it.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2014, 02:12:49 PM »
South Africa has something of a different law regarding homicide (murder) than America or Canada. What the judges verdict says is this: Oscar did not have the intent to kill Reeva Steenkamp. He did not shoot through the door with the express purpose of killing her. But, his actions were unreasonably dangerous and he should have foreseen that, by shooting through the door, he could reasonably be expected to kill a person (not necessarily Reeva). So he is found guilty of culpable homicide (what would be manslaughter in America) and not murder.

In all honesty, after following the evidence that the prosecution and the defence put forward, the judge made the right call. It was not proven beyond reasonable doubt that Oscar intended on killing Reeva. She couldn't have found him guilty of murder. She could, and did, find him guilty of the lesser charge. Justice was done.

Source: I was a practising attorney in South Africa before coming to Korea.

In the UK we're getting reports that he might get a suspended sentence for the culpable homicide crime, and compete in the next major competitions.

Is this likely? The UK would definitely have a long custodial sentence for manslaughter.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2014, 03:19:53 PM »
As an attorney I'm sure you're very familiar with people's idea that as long as the way he acted was stupid enough and/or the consequence of his actions was bad enough then proper jurisprudence doesn't actually apply and he should just be punished anyway.
Doing something extremely stupid falls under culpable homicide, as it's defined in SA as the negligent killing of someone. And I've yet to hear of a country that doesn't have a similar law. And he will get sentenced for it; he was convicted of a serious crime, after all...

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2014, 05:00:57 PM »
Pistorius has just been sentenced to five years in jail.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2014, 05:10:05 PM »
Here is a short youtube clip of the sentencing.


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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2015, 07:46:16 AM »
Verdict overturned.

Pistorius now found guilty of murder.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2015, 08:01:39 AM »


In the UK we're getting reports that he might get a suspended sentence for the culpable homicide crime, and compete in the next major competitions.

Is this likely? The UK would definitely have a long custodial sentence for manslaughter.

Moot point now, but I don't think he would be able to get a visa for most places.  A suspended sentence is still a conviction.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2017, 07:19:32 PM »
Pistorious had his prison sentence increased on appeal.

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« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2017, 07:43:35 AM »
Rightly so. It took time and persistence by the prosecutors, but it's finally been changed. Glad to see the legal process in South Africa working as it should in this case. Despite it taking so long.

Doesn't change the fact that a young, innocent woman was robbed of her life though. A bitter sweet ending to it all.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2017, 08:52:19 AM »
He never had a leg to stand on.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2017, 11:50:31 AM »
Pistorious had his prison sentence increased on appeal.

He went out on a limb with that one.
Now its cost him an arm and a leg.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2017, 11:55:32 AM »
Pistorious had his prison sentence increased on appeal.

He went out on a limb with that one.
Now its cost him an arm and a leg.

Never go toe to toe with the justice system. But, all said, he had a good run.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2017, 01:10:55 PM »
Pistorious had his prison sentence increased on appeal.

He went out on a limb with that one.
Now its cost him an arm and a leg.

Never go toe to toe with the justice system. But, all said, he had a good run.

Nothing artificial about that sentencing.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2017, 01:14:56 PM »
Nothing artificial about that sentencing.

You and your prostheticalising, like a religious nutter.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2017, 01:25:57 PM »
He was never gonna be able to walk away from something like this!

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2017, 01:32:13 PM »
Nothing artificial about that sentencing.

You and your prostheticalising, like a religious nutter.

I always like to go out with a spring in my step.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2017, 02:26:52 PM »
It's nice to know that justice is never more than a hop, skip, and a jump away.
Guess he'll have to quit the running team, as they'll be giving him the boot.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2017, 03:25:01 PM »
Prison kinda hobbles your career, after all.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius murder trial.
« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2017, 03:43:38 PM »
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