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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #140 on: January 11, 2018, 07:39:54 PM »

Imagine the comfort one gets living in a house with a second floor, a separate kitchen, and backyard. Try living in an apartment for too long, it sucks,plain and simple.......saying things can always be worse does NOT mean the current situation isn't desirable, for a Westerner.

Most Americans currently under the age of 40 will never attain this either. Even small apartments are getting too expensive.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #141 on: January 11, 2018, 08:14:38 PM »
New US homes today are 1,000 square feet larger than in 1973 and living space per person has nearly doubled.

http://www.aei.org/publication/new-us-homes-today-are-1000-square-feet-larger-than-in-1973-and-living-space-per-person-has-nearly-doubled/

The inflation-adjusted price per square foot for new houses has been relatively stable since 1973.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #142 on: January 11, 2018, 08:45:23 PM »

Imagine the comfort one gets living in a house with a second floor, a separate kitchen, and backyard. Try living in an apartment for too long, it sucks,plain and simple.......saying things can always be worse does NOT mean the current situation isn't desirable, for a Westerner.

Most Americans currently under the age of 40 will never attain this either. Even small apartments are getting too expensive.
Some Americans, sure, but most Americans, very, very doubtful. You're talking about the collapse of an entire industry--ain't gonna happen.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #143 on: January 12, 2018, 08:48:32 AM »
I have a mate who stayed 9 years in the same elem school, but that isn't normal at all.

Thats nothing, I know people who have stayed in the same job in the US for 20+ years. In the same town.

Yeah, but how about Korea?

Strange how you think if a person stays in their home country for 20 years then they're a success.. but if they stay in Korea that long they're a loser.

Given the context is Korea, I mentioned that a friend stayed nearly 9 years in the same school in Korea. Then you come along and say that you know someone in the US has stayed much longer than that. Relevance?

How long a person stays in their home country is irrelevant. Sorry. Where did I mention loser? Perhaps that's your own insecurities rising to the surface.

Let me break it down for you.

Staying at the one school for 9 years in the NET scheme shows a severe lack of ambition. Sorry to break it to you. You're not employed as a licensed teacher here, you're a side show. I simply don't care if you do most of the work in class, you're accountable for pretty much zero apart from having to be on time. You max out at 2.7 million after only a few years. When you go back to your home country, you're flipping burgers. You're not going to just walk into an easy teaching job, free accommodation and an easy life. Things are being scaled down here due to budget shortages. When you get the flick, what compensation will you expect? Don't hold your breath. You're on a one year contract.

Working as a teacher back home is called a "career". There's a massive difference. One requires years of study and practical teaching practice, the other requires a degree in anything and being a native speaker of English. You simply can't compare the two unless you have a loose grip on reality.

You seem quite uptight and obnoxious, like a typical north american beta male, but lets go through this.
I'm English. Beta male? That's such a cliche these days. I doubt even a beta male would have any interest in you.  Pot calling the kettle black when it comes to uptight. Pretty much every one of your posts is a cry for help

1. Not everyone is 'ambitious' by your definition, nor should they necessarily be. Half the worlds problems are caused by the 'ambitious' and uptight.. as opposed to the content and happy. Try not to judge others: not everyone is the same and you don't know their situation. How is it your business if someone stays at the same school if they're happy with it? Just you do you.
Your posting history clearly illustrates that you're not content or happy. More like trapped and depressed. There there, it's not so bad. 

2. Not everyone goes back to their home country. Maybe that is your plan. I wouldn't assume it to be everyones plan. You're assuming everyone is from north america, has a happy family and secure set up and future etc. Try not to assume, with your adolescent mindset. In any case many expats like Korea and settle here. In which case staying in the same job is not a bad option.

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.

3. Working as a teacher in the west has become a tortuous job that nobody in their right mind pursues, due to the loony liberals systematic destruction of the education system.

Are you a qualified teacher?  Have you taught in an American school?  Don't equate being an EFL teacher in Korea to a qualified elementary teacher or high school teacher in the West. That would be daft, even for you.
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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #144 on: January 12, 2018, 08:53:37 AM »
The irony is, Cyanea is the one who started this post "why is Korea so stressful", and now she's defending being here. Talk about being unhinged.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #145 on: January 12, 2018, 09:40:46 AM »
Imagine the comfort one gets living in a house with a second floor, a separate kitchen, and backyard. Try living in an apartment for too long, it sucks,plain and simple.......saying things can always be worse does NOT mean the current situation isn't desirable, for a Westerner.

Yeah, I don't know how people in NYC, Chicago, London, Paris, etc. manage to survive living in an apartment and not some subdivision cookie-cutter house.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #146 on: January 12, 2018, 09:47:55 AM »

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #147 on: January 12, 2018, 10:35:22 AM »
Is it because Korean English teaching as a ‘teaching assistant’ is not well regarded and thus he is stuck with below average opportunities? I heard this is the case; hopefully it’s not. Hopefully employers look favorably upon English teaching experience in Korea. Because age can be a disadvantage sadly.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2018, 10:44:27 AM »
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And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.

Strange, that's not what you hear from the media. Maybe your guy is in a very specialist field.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/uk-teaching-vacancies-rise-quarter-2015-classes-schools-pupils-a7930856.html


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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2018, 10:44:46 AM »

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.

The major difference is that Koreans aren't forced to leave the country if they lose their job. What will the PS set do when the ship turns belly up? Scramble for hagwon jobs? That will result in depressed wages for sure.

I've got a dual passport. My mother is a Kiwi, so I've got NZ and Australia as backups for the UK. Nothing is for certain though, I'll give you that!

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #150 on: January 12, 2018, 11:02:48 AM »
Is it because Korean English teaching as a ‘teaching assistant’ is not well regarded and thus he is stuck with below average opportunities? I heard this is the case; hopefully it’s not. Hopefully employers look favorably upon English teaching experience in Korea. Because age can be a disadvantage sadly.

The issue is, as  I see it at least, is you're a teaching assistant; not a teacher accountable for your students. Even though many of us do everything in class, and despite the fact that some skills we learn are transferable to what I would call "actual teaching", which means you're providing the only education in your chosen subject to students, I seriously doubt employers would look too highly upon teaching TEFL in Korea as teaching experience.

I may be flat out wrong, but I'd like to see some evidence to the contrary. My 2 cents is, employers would want to see experience as a fully licensed teacher in your subject of expertise.

If one is to return to continue with TEFL, then to a certain extent your Korean experience might come in handy. However, decent employers know the game and they understand that TEFL in Korea is pretty much bottom feeder work in the scale of things. I mean PS and most hagwon teaching. If you've got an MA TESOL or even a Delta you're opening up a lot more doors.

Even if one was to return and get a teaching license as an English teacher, that is not the same as TEFL. I can't say I've done too much poetry or literature reviews in ten years of teaching in a range of contexts.




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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #151 on: January 12, 2018, 11:39:22 AM »

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.
They were importing teachers from NZ not long ago. I wonder what's changed.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #152 on: January 12, 2018, 11:48:24 AM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.

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« Reply #153 on: January 12, 2018, 01:01:14 PM »
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And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.

Strange, that's not what you hear from the media. Maybe your guy is in a very specialist field.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/uk-teaching-vacancies-rise-quarter-2015-classes-schools-pupils-a7930856.html

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.
They were importing teachers from NZ not long ago. I wonder what's changed.

I know he has a masters in education and his  pgce as well as about 5-10 years experience, pre-korea. Beyond that I dont know how specialized he is. I know he's not in the London area and was talking about going up north as there are more positions up there, or going to the Middle East.

I know that the media picture is not always accurate or not reported properly. Someone mentioned New Zealand. At the moment their is story after story in the NZ media about lack of teachers, especially in Auckland becuase of housing prices. But if you dig a little deeper, it's in select subjects only. Namely, physics and chemistry. They are importing Soth Asian science teachers because they cannot come close to filling those vaccancies. But if you are your typical BA in history/polsci/soc/Eng.lit etc. it is waaaaay harder to find a job.

It was the same a few years ago "we need male primary school teachers" repeated. There was a crop of them trained and something like 60% couldnt find a job even two years later. One guy I know personally never taught a single day in a primary school once he graduated. And it wasnt through lack of trying

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #154 on: January 12, 2018, 02:07:14 PM »
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And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.

Strange, that's not what you hear from the media. Maybe your guy is in a very specialist field.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/uk-teaching-vacancies-rise-quarter-2015-classes-schools-pupils-a7930856.html

What? I'm not assuming anyone is from North America. How did you dream that up? The NET scheme is for glorified backpackers. Wake up. People are on a one year contract and your job security depends on how well you play a certain game here. The cutbacks will continue. Have fun sticking your head in the sand like so many others here.



While I agree with the basic premise of your post, a lot of the Koreans you work with are on the same one year contract. I'd say 50% of the total workers at my institution are on yearly contracts. Even the head of my department. It was one of the big issues in the previous election. Moon promising to try to redress the imbalance of permanent and contract workers in many industries.
The sad thing is that when many of us go home we will also be faced with renewable contracts. It is the direction most of the world is moving in. And it's shit.

And I wouldn't be holding on to hope too tightly if you are a "real" teacher. For the past 18 months I've been fielding reference requests from UK education recruitment agencies for an ex-coworker. He is, as he puts it, stuck in supply teaching hell. And he is a qualified, UK expereiced teacher. Conditions are fewer fewer, lower paid and generally worse then when he orginally left in 2010.
They were importing teachers from NZ not long ago. I wonder what's changed.

I know he has a masters in education and his  pgce as well as about 5-10 years experience, pre-korea. Beyond that I dont know how specialized he is. I know he's not in the London area and was talking about going up north as there are more positions up there, or going to the Middle East.

I know that the media picture is not always accurate or not reported properly. Someone mentioned New Zealand. At the moment their is story after story in the NZ media about lack of teachers, especially in Auckland becuase of housing prices. But if you dig a little deeper, it's in select subjects only. Namely, physics and chemistry. They are importing Soth Asian science teachers because they cannot come close to filling those vaccancies. But if you are your typical BA in history/polsci/soc/Eng.lit etc. it is waaaaay harder to find a job.

It was the same a few years ago "we need male primary school teachers" repeated. There was a crop of them trained and something like 60% couldnt find a job even two years later. One guy I know personally never taught a single day in a primary school once he graduated. And it wasnt through lack of trying
Good point about looking a little deeper.

I'm surprised they're importing teachers because before, when the lost so many teachers to the UK, they were quite adamant only hiring Kiwis.

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« Reply #155 on: January 12, 2018, 03:18:25 PM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.


I do believe the correct phrase is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Can't you even get that right?

It's more of a case of leaving a shinking ship, Mr Kim.

It seems your fellow Koreans are doing the same, or, should I say, would like to.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20171210000292

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #156 on: January 12, 2018, 04:21:08 PM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.


I do believe the correct phrase is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Can't you even get that right?

It's more of a case of leaving a shinking ship, Mr Kim.

It seems your fellow Koreans are doing the same, or, should I say, would like to.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20171210000292
"sensational" K-pop music, "cutting edge" cars--why do so many news stories about Korea read like ad copy?

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« Reply #157 on: January 12, 2018, 05:15:15 PM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.


I do believe the correct phrase is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Can't you even get that right?

It's more of a case of leaving a shinking ship, Mr Kim.

It seems your fellow Koreans are doing the same, or, should I say, would like to.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20171210000292
"sensational" K-pop music, "cutting edge" cars--why do so many news stories about Korea read like ad copy?

The pop is sensational. I mean really really sensational. A 10. Cars are the best. The best. No one does cars like Korea. You'll be amazed. No sinking no sinking. YOU'RE SINKING!

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« Reply #158 on: January 12, 2018, 08:07:24 PM »
If you can not stand the heat get then get out of the kitchen.


I do believe the correct phrase is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Can't you even get that right?

It's more of a case of leaving a shinking ship, Mr Kim.

It seems your fellow Koreans are doing the same, or, should I say, would like to.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20171210000292
"sensational" K-pop music, "cutting edge" cars--why do so many news stories about Korea read like ad copy?

The pop is sensational. I mean really really sensational. A 10. Cars are the best. The best. No one does cars like Korea. You'll be amazed. No sinking no sinking. YOU'RE SINKING!
I hope you're not on a ferry.

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Re: Why is Korea so stressful?
« Reply #159 on: January 17, 2018, 05:20:34 PM »
Do a survey. You think Westerners come here by choice? 95% of the ones you meet now (not in the past) are here for 1 thing only, financial gain. If they were given a choice to live somewhere else with the same or better financial gain/security, they would in a heartbeat. Ask Koreans about an opportunity to live in another country..........yes, they would, in a heartbeat (most). There is youtube video with someone asking strangers this question.

 There is a big difference with a Westerner in their 20's vs. 30's. What do you think MOST Westerners in their 30's would say about Korea............it sucks for them, in many ways.

 Imagine the comfort one gets living in a house with a second floor, a separate kitchen, and backyard. Try living in an apartment for too long, it sucks,plain and simple.......saying things can always be worse does NOT mean the current situation isn't desirable, for a Westerner.

LMAO!  40 year old here who moved to Korea because I knew I would never afford a house in the states.  I kind of wish the OP had elaborated on their post.  Why is Korea so stressful for me?  Why is Korea so stressful for Koreans...or maybe I don't wish they elaborated.

 



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