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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1300 on: January 13, 2018, 07:02:18 AM »

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1301 on: January 13, 2018, 07:38:25 AM »
Yawn. No it's not racist, yes he shouldn't have said it.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1302 on: January 13, 2018, 07:42:23 AM »


Does this explanation work for why so many North Americans choose to stay on the sunny peninsula? Or is it an offensive question?
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1303 on: January 13, 2018, 08:21:17 AM »
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A career intelligence analyst who is an expert in hostage policy stood before President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last fall to brief him on the impending release of a family long held in Pakistan under uncertain circumstances.

It was her first time meeting the president, and when she was done briefing, he had a question for her.

"Where are you from?" the president asked, according to two officials with direct knowledge of the exchange.

New York, she replied.

Trump was unsatisfied and asked again, the officials said. Referring to the president's hometown, she offered that she, too, was from Manhattan. But that's not what the president was after.

He wanted to know where "your people" are from, according to the officials, who spoke under condition of anonymity due to the nature of the internal discussions.

After the analyst revealed that her parents are Korean, Trump turned to an adviser in the room and seemed to suggest her ethnicity should determine her career path, asking why the "pretty Korean lady" isn't negotiating with North Korea on his administration's behalf, the officials said.

I love the "I'm from New York you ****ing moron!" answer the intelligence analyst gave him.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1304 on: January 13, 2018, 08:32:24 AM »
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A career intelligence analyst who is an expert in hostage policy stood before President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last fall to brief him on the impending release of a family long held in Pakistan under uncertain circumstances.

It was her first time meeting the president, and when she was done briefing, he had a question for her.

"Where are you from?" the president asked, according to two officials with direct knowledge of the exchange.

New York, she replied.

Trump was unsatisfied and asked again, the officials said. Referring to the president's hometown, she offered that she, too, was from Manhattan. But that's not what the president was after.

He wanted to know where "your people" are from, according to the officials, who spoke under condition of anonymity due to the nature of the internal discussions.

After the analyst revealed that her parents are Korean, Trump turned to an adviser in the room and seemed to suggest her ethnicity should determine her career path, asking why the "pretty Korean lady" isn't negotiating with North Korea on his administration's behalf, the officials said.

I love the "I'm from New York you ****ing moron!" answer the intelligence analyst gave him.

So he didn't know what he latest PC way of asking what someone's ethnicity is. Then he complimented her and made a harmless joke. And surprise, surprise, she was offended.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1305 on: January 13, 2018, 09:16:11 AM »
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A career intelligence analyst who is an expert in hostage policy stood before President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last fall to brief him on the impending release of a family long held in Pakistan under uncertain circumstances.

It was her first time meeting the president, and when she was done briefing, he had a question for her.

"Where are you from?" the president asked, according to two officials with direct knowledge of the exchange.

New York, she replied.

Trump was unsatisfied and asked again, the officials said. Referring to the president's hometown, she offered that she, too, was from Manhattan. But that's not what the president was after.

He wanted to know where "your people" are from, according to the officials, who spoke under condition of anonymity due to the nature of the internal discussions.

After the analyst revealed that her parents are Korean, Trump turned to an adviser in the room and seemed to suggest her ethnicity should determine her career path, asking why the "pretty Korean lady" isn't negotiating with North Korea on his administration's behalf, the officials said.

I love the "I'm from New York you ****ing moron!" answer the intelligence analyst gave him.

So he didn't know what he latest PC way of asking what someone's ethnicity is. Then he complimented her and made a harmless joke. And surprise, surprise, she was offended.
Look who's defending this type of behavior/stereotyping.

Surprise, surprise?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1306 on: January 13, 2018, 11:18:53 AM »
lol @ "shithole countries."

I'm sure his cult fanboys will continue to insist he isn't racist, even though his racism is the only reason they still rabidly and desperately support him.

Any worse than "peasants in suits" or any other stuff that gets casually tossed about here?

So you're admitting the president is racist since you're directly comparing him to "racist" people who aren't heads of state on Waygook? Or do you want to keep being a clown and pretend he's not racist despite constantly doing and saying racist things? Or do you want to drop the facade and finally admit what everyone knows, that you support Trump because he's racist?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1307 on: January 13, 2018, 12:34:06 PM »
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So he didn't know what he latest PC way of asking what someone's ethnicity is.

Yeah, "What is your ethnicity?" was too complicated and academic. Well above the pay grade of the President of the United States. I'm glad to see that people aren't holding the President to unrealistic standards of intellect.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1308 on: January 13, 2018, 01:29:01 PM »
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President Donald Trump's personal lawyer brokered a $130,000 payment to a porn actress to prevent her from publicly discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Trump, according to a report Friday in The Wall Street Journal.

Trump met Stephanie Clifford, whose goes by the name Stormy Daniels in films, at a golf event in 2006 — a year after Trump's marriage to his wife, Melania. According to the Journal's report, Clifford began talking with ABC News in the fall of 2016 for a story involving an alleged relationship with Trump, but reached a $130,000 deal a month before the election, which prevented her from going public.

Trump's longtime attorney Michael Cohen arranged for the payment through Clifford's lawyer, Keith Davidson, the Journal reported.

Looks like trump chooses the high-priced spread.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1309 on: January 13, 2018, 01:58:40 PM »
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So he didn't know what he latest PC way of asking what someone's ethnicity is.

Yeah, "What is your ethnicity?" was too complicated and academic. Well above the pay grade of the President of the United States. I'm glad to see that people aren't holding the President to unrealistic standards of intellect.

Is 'what's your ethnicity'. An Ok question these days? I don't know, maybe it's a micro aggression. Nobody's saying Donald Trump is particularly bright if that's what you're accusing me of. Though I'm not sure keeping up to date on all the latest politiacally correct terms is necessarily a sign of that.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1310 on: January 13, 2018, 02:22:47 PM »
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So he didn't know what he latest PC way of asking what someone's ethnicity is.

Yeah, "What is your ethnicity?" was too complicated and academic. Well above the pay grade of the President of the United States. I'm glad to see that people aren't holding the President to unrealistic standards of intellect.

Is 'what's your ethnicity'. An Ok question these days? I don't know, maybe it's a micro aggression. Nobody's saying Donald Trump is particularly bright if that's what you're accusing me of. Though I'm not sure keeping up to date on all the latest politiacally correct terms is necessarily a sign of that.

Donald Trump certainly proves the “American Dream”. That even a half-witted racist and sexist can become President.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1311 on: January 13, 2018, 02:54:59 PM »
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So he didn't know what he latest PC way of asking what someone's ethnicity is.

Yeah, "What is your ethnicity?" was too complicated and academic. Well above the pay grade of the President of the United States. I'm glad to see that people aren't holding the President to unrealistic standards of intellect.

Is 'what's your ethnicity'. An Ok question these days? I don't know, maybe it's a micro aggression. Nobody's saying Donald Trump is particularly bright if that's what you're accusing me of. Though I'm not sure keeping up to date on all the latest politiacally correct terms is necessarily a sign of that.

Donald Trump certainly proves the “American Dream”. That even a half-witted racist and sexist can become President.

The good old days when Republicans still pretended to care about whether a black president was "presidential" or not:




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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1312 on: January 13, 2018, 03:00:50 PM »
I think most Americans would prefer to be asked, "What's your ethnicity?" than have to intuit that that is what the President means when he asks "Where are you from?", apropos of nothing.

Regarding Trump's racism, here's a good primer:

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history

I don't think that he wakes up every morning and thinks, I hate black people... now where's my Diet Coke? But even by the admission of his friends and allies, his mindset is to divide people into winners and losers, the worthy and the unworthy, with very little grey area between those categories. He is also singularly ignorant of, and uninterested in, much of the world outside of his tacky gold-plated, silicone-enhanced imagination. Is that really that much of a logical stretch that some of this mentality might manifest itself, in some circumstances, as a kind of soft bigotry?

I see it like this... Trump doesn't know or care that much about the kind of politics espoused by, let's just say, a hypothetical white supremacist leader. Those are the concerns of people who don't fly in private jets and judge Miss Universe competitions. But if this guy's going to praise Trump, Tump's going to welcome any adulation he can get, maybe even throw this guy's followers a bit of meat now and then. If too many people raise objections, and Trump recognizes that that this white supremacist guy is a tremendously unpopular character, he'll distance himself and lie about his previous enthusiasm, possibly believing his own lie because he didn't really think much about it in the first place. Somewhere, though, it's sunk in that this white grievance thing is working for him, so he doesn't want to back away from it entirely. And some of it corresponds to  the winner / loser dichotomy that shapes his worldview. Didn't he hear on Fox News or read on Gateway Pundit that if you're Mexican, you get free college tuition, healthcare and no-strings-attached welfare, all subsidized by extra taxes on white Americans? Well, something like that. Anyway, it's unfair. He might know that the Breitbart comments section is full of people making anti-semitic smears, lamenting the outcome of the Civil War and advocating white separatism in the same breath as praising Trump. But dammit, look at the turnouts at those rallies! Millions of Trump voters can't be wrong... right? He's got Jewish lawyers. He hired Ben Carson. If people probe too deeply into this he can just deny it and roll out the old "fake news" charge. And there's an army of people willing to back him up, because, well, boo-hoo to political correctness and the liberal media.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1313 on: January 14, 2018, 09:40:22 AM »
"You could say the same of Donald Trump: it's as if America just decided to take a regular guy and make him President.

"Yesterday, Donald Trump evidently asked lawmakers gathered at the White House to discuss immigration policy, 'Why are we having all these people from sh*thole countries come here?'

"He then suggested that we should encourage more immigration from places like Norway, whose prime minister he had met with on Wednesday.

"This is vintage Trump: blunt-spoken and tactless, but honest. Calling other countries 'sh*tholes' is hardly statesmanlike. (Though, it must be said, it was the Democrats who reported that Trump used that term in what he undoubtedly thought was a private meeting.)"
http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2018/01/what-exactly-is-shithole.html

It's a zero-sum game. Filling up America with third world immigrants is not in America's best interests just as it would not be in South Korea's best interests either. Ultimately, politicians must decide whether they want to do what is best for the citizens who elected them and whom they represent or do what's best for people in other countries. We know where the Dems stand. They'd throw the whole country under the bus if given a chance and they'll likely succeed in the long run. And we know where Trump stands. He's willing to go for bat for the average American citizen while being the target of the PC mob's mudslinging.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1314 on: January 14, 2018, 10:24:50 AM »
"You could say the same of Donald Trump: it's as if America just decided to take a regular guy and make him President.

"Yesterday, Donald Trump evidently asked lawmakers gathered at the White House to discuss immigration policy, 'Why are we having all these people from sh*thole countries come here?'

"He then suggested that we should encourage more immigration from places like Norway, whose prime minister he had met with on Wednesday.

"This is vintage Trump: blunt-spoken and tactless, but honest. Calling other countries 'sh*tholes' is hardly statesmanlike. (Though, it must be said, it was the Democrats who reported that Trump used that term in what he undoubtedly thought was a private meeting.)"
http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2018/01/what-exactly-is-shithole.html

It's a zero-sum game. Filling up America with third world immigrants is not in America's best interests just as it would not be in South Korea's best interests either. Ultimately, politicians must decide whether they want to do what is best for the citizens who elected them and whom they represent or do what's best for people in other countries. We know where the Dems stand. They'd throw the whole country under the bus if given a chance and they'll likely succeed in the long run. And we know where Trump stands. He's willing to go for bat for the average American citizen while being the target of the PC mob's mudslinging.
trump insults everyone he comes across and you accuse others of "mudslinging"? Fake news.

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And on average, African immigrants are better educated that people born in the U.S. or the immigrant population as a whole.

“It’s a population that’s very diverse in its educational, economic and English proficiency profile,” said Jeanne Batalova, a senior policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute think tank in Washington and coauthor of a report last year on sub-Saharan African immigrants in the U.S. “People came for a variety of reasons and at various times.”

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Batalova’s research found that of the 1.4 million who are 25 and older, 41% have a bachelor’s degree, compared with 30% of all immigrants and 32% of the U.S.-born population. Of the 19,000 U.S. immigrants from Norway — a country Trump reportedly told lawmakers is a good source of immigrants — 38% have college educations.

The New American Economy study found that 1 in 3 of these undergraduate degrees were focused on science, technology, engineering and math — “training heavily in demand by today’s employers.”

That report also found that African immigrants were significantly more likely to have graduate degrees. A total of 16% had a master’s degree, medical degree, law degree or a doctorate, compared with 11% of the U.S.-born population, Lim said.

African immigrants were more than twice as likely than the U.S. population overall to work in healthcare, Lim said. There are more than 32,500 nursing, psychiatric or home health aides, more than 46,000 registered nurses and more than 15,700 doctors and surgeons.

“Overwhelmingly the evidence shows that [African immigrants] make a significant, positive economic contribution to the U.S. economy,” both at a national level and in districts where they are concentrated, Lim said. “They contribute more than $10.1 billion in federal taxes, $4.7 billion in state and local taxes, and most importantly, they have significant economic clout to the point of $40.3 billion in spending power.”

That $40.3 billion pays for housing, transportation, consumer goods and education for their children — “things that actually stimulate the economy around them,” Lim said.

Considering trumpy's poll numbers, it's doubtful your uninformed opinions represent the average American. Thankfully.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1315 on: January 14, 2018, 07:29:52 PM »
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Filling up America with third world immigrants is not in America's best interests just as it would not be in South Korea's best interests either.

Which of the following scenarios do you think is more likely?

a) The United States, an historically immigrant-based population, has a broad range of immigration programs, encompassing work visas for high-skilled and low-skilled seasonal labor, residency rights based on marriage and family relations, refugee and asylum programs, temporary entry for members of specialist professions, legacy programs like the diversity lottery, and special pathways for foreign employees and contractors of the US government (i.e., interpreters working for the military in Iraq). Managing these various programs is difficult and complicated. On top of that, you have the problem of illegal immigration. Most illegal immigrants don't cause trouble, but they live in the economic shadows and create major political and legal headaches. When managing these various strains of immigration, most things basically go according to plan, but sometimes undesirable people slip through the cracks. Regular political interference and policy changes make it more difficult to manage effectively. But the people tasked with overseeing the system work hard, the most elements of the system function as intended, some problems and frustrations notwithstanding.

b) There is a deliberate plot by Democrats to "fill the country with third world immigrants".

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1316 on: January 14, 2018, 08:51:30 PM »
"Democrats want the votes, Republicans want the cheap labor"- Chris Matthews

Hence, the system we have now. Typical government responses to issues that go back and forth- essentially bureaucracy of varying effectiveness and priority. No great conspiracy, but it does serve various interests.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1317 on: January 15, 2018, 12:50:38 PM »
Filling up America with third world immigrants is not in America's best interests

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Most Danes who immigrated to the United States after 1865 did so for economic reasons. By 1865, there had been a large increase in the Danish population in Europe because of the improvement in the medicine and food industries. It caused a high rate of poverty and ultimately resulted in a significant and rapid increase in Danish migration to other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Americans

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Norwegian immigration through the years was predominantly motivated by economic concerns. Compounded by crop failures, Norwegian agricultural resources were unable to keep up with population growth, and the Homestead Act promised fertile, flat land. As a result, settlement trended westward with each passing year.

Between 1825 and 1925, more than 800,000 Norwegians immigrated to North America—about one-third of Norway's population with the majority immigrating to the USA, and lesser numbers immigrating to the Dominion of Canada. With the exception of Ireland, no single country contributed a larger percentage of its population to the United States than Norway.[14]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Americans

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The rising Swedish exodus was caused by economic, political, and religious conditions affecting particularly the rural population. Europe was in the grip of an economic depression. In Sweden, population growth and repeated crop failures were making it increasingly difficult to make a living from the tiny land plots on which at least three quarters of the inhabitants depended. Rural conditions were especially bleak in the stony and unforgiving Småland province, which became the heartland of emigration.

The political freedom of the American republic exerted a similar pull. Swedish peasants were some of the most literate in Europe, and consequently had access to the European egalitarian and radical ideas that culminated in the Revolutions of 1848.[18] The clash between Swedish liberalism and a repressive monarchist regime raised political awareness among the disadvantaged, many of whom looked to the U.S. to realize their republican ideals.

One woman wrote from North Dakota of how in her Värmland home parish, she had had to earn her living in peasant households from the age of eight, starting work at four in the morning and living on "rotten herring and potatoes, served out in small amounts so that I would not eat myself sick". She could see "no hope of saving anything in case of illness", but rather could see "the poorhouse waiting for me in the distance". When she was seventeen, her emigrated brothers sent her a prepaid ticket to America, and "the hour of freedom struck"[45]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_emigration_to_the_United_States


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1318 on: January 16, 2018, 08:10:53 AM »
I think it's important to differentiate immigrants then vs. immigrants now and subgroups of immigrants now.
Immigrants then were generally willing to work as farmers or unskilled laborers. Those that were farmers had skills as farmers.
Today's immigrants are much more varied. For example, Mexican-Americans are willing and able to work as farmers, unskilled laborers and skilled laborers. When they work as farmers or in some cases as skilled or unskilled laborers, they are filling gaps in the labor pool while achieving self-sufficiency. On the other hand when they work as unskilled or skilled laborers they are flooding the labor market, taking jobs, and driving wages down. Also unlike now, there was no government social safety net during our great migrations of the 19th and early 20th centuries and while the laborers may not draw significantly on those benefits, their non-laboring family members might. There is also the matter of the massive narcotics trade across the border, the fact that parts of Mexico are little more than narco states, and the fact that the desire to attend high quality schools and attain education is a much more significant motivation in 21st century families vs. 19th century families. Unlike many Trump supporters, I favor some immigration, including from Mexico. However, given the various issues I still favor strict enforcement and enhanced border security.

As for other immigrant backgrounds (Chinese, Nigerians, Somalis, Syrians, etc.), the various issues regarding what kind if labor and skill they are bringing, their draw on benefits, their effect on labor markets, and the security issues involved mean one must carefully consider immigration policy rather than the one-size-fits all approaches favored by various factions on either side of thr debate.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1319 on: January 16, 2018, 09:55:09 AM »
I think it's important to differentiate immigrants then vs. immigrants now and subgroups of immigrants now.
Immigrants then were generally willing to work as farmers or unskilled laborers. Those that were farmers had skills as farmers.
Today's immigrants are much more varied. For example, Mexican-Americans are willing and able to work as farmers, unskilled laborers and skilled laborers. When they work as farmers or in some cases as skilled or unskilled laborers, they are filling gaps in the labor pool while achieving self-sufficiency. On the other hand when they work as unskilled or skilled laborers they are flooding the labor market, taking jobs, and driving wages down. Also unlike now, there was no government social safety net during our great migrations of the 19th and early 20th centuries and while the laborers may not draw significantly on those benefits, their non-laboring family members might. There is also the matter of the massive narcotics trade across the border, the fact that parts of Mexico are little more than narco states, and the fact that the desire to attend high quality schools and attain education is a much more significant motivation in 21st century families vs. 19th century families. Unlike many Trump supporters, I favor some immigration, including from Mexico. However, given the various issues I still favor strict enforcement and enhanced border security.

As for other immigrant backgrounds (Chinese, Nigerians, Somalis, Syrians, etc.), the various issues regarding what kind if labor and skill they are bringing, their draw on benefits, their effect on labor markets, and the security issues involved mean one must carefully consider immigration policy rather than the one-size-fits all approaches favored by various factions on either side of thr debate.
Research shows that to be mostly untrue. As well, "their draw on benefits" is usually exaggerated as a conservative talking point.

 



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