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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1680 on: October 16, 2016, 07:59:04 PM »

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1682 on: October 17, 2016, 12:27:23 AM »
Where is Syd Barrett's Nobel prize?

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« Reply #1683 on: October 17, 2016, 05:56:05 AM »
Won't happen. Only living people can be nominated. And to win a nobel prize for literature, one must be an extremely good lyricist. Prominent writers should be saying, "best of all time". No one's saying that about Snoop.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1684 on: October 17, 2016, 07:50:22 AM »
Dylan winning the Nobel for literature is dumb. This is coming from someone who's paid money to go to a Dylan concert, owns multiple Dylan LPs and really enjoys his music.

Why's it dumb? Because he is not a brilliant poet or lyricist. A very good one, yes, but certainly not what should be considered world-class literature.

Among all the authors and poets who are currently creating contemporary, dynamic-changing literature, there are countless better candidates to receive an award like this in 2016.

That's my statement on the Nobel biz.

Second, everyone who says disparaging things about popular current artists such as Snoop, Rihanna, or Bieber, and the whole "Baw pop music is just manufactured for the sheep of today bawwwww it's not even real they don't even write their own songs or sing without autotune bawwww", get over yourselves. Just because because something is popular doesn't mean it's without artistic merit, or that it's not entertaining and good.

In a competition who is more deserving of a Nobel for Literature, Justin Bieber, or Bobby Dylan, obviously Dylan would be the more deserving of the prize, because yes, his work is more literary. But when you're talking about which artist is more deserving of getting play on the radio or on the personal listening devices of the masses, they're both equally deserving.
Which is what the Nobel Prize for Literature is NOT. hahahaha Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift deserve every People's Choice Award and Billboard Award they get.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1685 on: October 17, 2016, 08:04:34 AM »
I'm not at my main school on Fridays and whoever uses the English room then wrecks the place every week without fail. Last week, they left the door wide open. This week, every desk and chair has been haphazardly pushed up against the wall (after I painstakingly rearranged everything last Thursday) and the lights were left on all weekend. During the summer, the air conditioning was left on all weekend a number of times. I mention this to my co-teacher every week. Nothing changes. If anything ever goes missing or gets broken, I can imagine who's going to get the blame.

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« Reply #1686 on: October 17, 2016, 09:37:04 AM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1687 on: October 17, 2016, 09:59:35 AM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:

They aren't important and no one cares. Simple as that. They're a facade. The score is given no consideration to your teaching ability. It's a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours set up. You or your CT will get 99/100 and they will reciprocate the other teachers.

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« Reply #1688 on: October 17, 2016, 10:00:16 AM »
First, let's not overstate Dylan's influence on people of power. Do you think they wouldn't be who they are now if it wasn't for Bob Dylan? Obama also enjoys Jay-Z and Beyonce. Obama listened to more musicians than Bob Dylan. Let's not get carried away here. If Bob Dylan didn't exist, things would still be the same. The 60s was happening with or without him. Counterculture was happening with or without him. If anything Berry Gordy as a producer was more influential in music and changing people's minds. Without him Motown WOULD NOT EXIST as a genre. It's crossover appeal had a far greater impact on race relations and changing people's minds and promoting black musicians. It actually promoted real integration because you'd have truly diverse crowds (ones in which black people and white people were at levels close to 50-50, like sports).

I wouldn't say Justin Bieber or Rihanna is loved by the world, but I would say Michael Jackson was probably the true musical icon of the world. Way more than Bob Dylan. And yes the soundtrack to our lives is different for more people and Bob Dylan has spoken to way less people than you think. You seem to believe that everyone around the world is into Bob Dylan and has had their lives truly affected by him, when in fact that's not the case and his influence is actually close to zilch.

Also, the story of the Civil Rights movement and the stars are not white people. It is the black Americans who suffered and fought for it. Yes, it's great that white people finally decided treat black people like normal human beings, but the focus shouldn't be on that change of mind. It should be on how black people forced that conversation upon them.

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Not loved by who?

Probably something like 90% of the population of the world.

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but it is where it is today partly because of him

Music would be where it is today with or without Dylan. He didn't contribute anything in terms of redefining music or creating a new sound, unless "guy who can't sing and plays guitar" didn't exist before him. "Great lyrics" would have been there either way (and his lyrics aren't that great, lay off the weed/drink). If Bob Dylan didn't exist, it would be some other person along his lines that would be getting all this love.

Do you guys seriously think black folks all over America are listening to Chapman and Hendrix and Dylan? (I will give you the Stevie). When your local station's 'Battle of the Old School' is happening on Sat. nights, do you think it's Bob Dylan vs. Jimi Hendrix?

Get a clue people, these things you think are universal, aren't as universal as you think they are.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1689 on: October 17, 2016, 10:02:12 AM »
Me: "Expensive!"
Class: "Expensive!"
CoT: "ExpensivUH."
Class: "Expensiv...uh?"
Me: "Expensive."
Class: "Expensive!"
CoT: "ExpensivUH."
Me: "ExpenSIVE."

Me: "Invented!"
CoT: "InventedUH."
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Me: "Invented!"
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Me: "InvenTED."

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1690 on: October 17, 2016, 10:11:06 AM »
First, let's not overstate Dylan's influence on people of power. Do you think they wouldn't be who they are now if it wasn't for Bob Dylan? Obama also enjoys Jay-Z and Beyonce. Obama listened to more musicians than Bob Dylan. Let's not get carried away here. If Bob Dylan didn't exist, things would still be the same. The 60s was happening with or without him. Counterculture was happening with or without him. Why care about anything? Life goes on with or without you.  If anything Berry Gordy as a producer was more influential in music and changing people's minds. Without him Motown WOULD NOT EXIST as a genre. It's crossover appeal had a far greater impact on race relations and changing people's minds and promoting black musicians. It actually promoted real integration because you'd have truly diverse crowds (ones in which black people and white people were at levels close to 50-50, like sports). People who win Nobel prizes need black fans and white fans.

I wouldn't say Justin Bieber or Rihanna is loved by the world, but I would say Michael Jackson was probably the true musical icon of the world. Way more than Bob Dylan. And yes the soundtrack to our lives is different for more people and Bob Dylan has spoken to way less people than you think. You seem to believe that everyone around the world is into Bob Dylan and has had their lives truly affected by him, when in fact that's not the case and his influence is actually close to zilch. Instead of recognising talent in an individual, we have to make sure that everyone around the world knows them. 

Also, the story of the Civil Rights movement and the stars are not white people. It is the black Americans who suffered and fought for it. Yes, it's great that white people finally decided treat black people like normal human beings, but the focus shouldn't be on that change of mind. It should be on how black people forced that conversation upon them.
Yeah, let's factor this into someone who writes literature, only this. It can't just be a great song or poem IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS AMERICAN RACE RELATIONS OVERTLY.  

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Probably something like 90% of the population of the world.

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but it is where it is today partly because of him

Music would be where it is today with or without Dylan. Therefore, he doesn't deserve an award. Waygook would be where it is right ow without you, too.  He didn't contribute anything in terms of redefining music or creating a new sound, unless "guy who can't sing Therefore, he can't WRITE great prose and plays guitar" didn't exist before him. "Great lyrics" would have been there either way (and his lyrics aren't that great, lay off the weed/drink). If Bob Dylan didn't exist, it would be some other person along his lines that would be getting all this love. And they would be getting a Nobel in his place.

Do you guys seriously think black folks all over America are listening to Chapman and Hendrix and Dylan? Nobel prize winners need to be loved by Black Americans. (I will give you the Stevie). When your local station's 'Battle of the Old School' is happening on Sat. nights, do you think it's Bob Dylan vs. Jimi Hendrix? Yes

Get a clue people, these things you think are universal, aren't as universal as you think they are. Being listened to by Black Americans makes you universal.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #1691 on: October 17, 2016, 10:11:18 AM »
I know its a little thing, but man does it grind my gears when you make the students do something and they do it so grudgingly, saying 아이씨 and 진짜 the whole time.

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« Reply #1692 on: October 17, 2016, 10:13:05 AM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:

They aren't important and no one cares. Simple as that. They're a facade. The score is given no consideration to your teaching ability. It's a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours set up. You or your CT will get 99/100 and they will reciprocate the other teachers.

Haha yea that's probably true!  Although I remember last year one teacher was distraught over the feedback and scores from other teachers.

I just hate the casual nature of passing off my work as theirs.  That "well I don't have to worry about it because The Arm will do it" attitude.  I'd be more forgiving if they actually did something during my lessons other than wonder around in a trance, chatting to students. 

It seems that KETs are the group that benefit the most from NETs being here!

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1693 on: October 17, 2016, 10:13:34 AM »
I know its a little thing, but man does it grind my gears when you make the students do something and they do it so grudgingly, saying 아이씨 and 진짜 the whole time.

What grade(s) are these kids?? That's rude.

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« Reply #1694 on: October 17, 2016, 10:16:24 AM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:

They aren't important and no one cares. Simple as that. They're a facade. The score is given no consideration to your teaching ability. It's a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours set up. You or your CT will get 99/100 and they will reciprocate the other teachers.

Haha yea that's probably true!  Although I remember last year one teacher was distraught over the feedback and scores from other teachers.

I just hate the casual nature of passing off my work as theirs.  That "well I don't have to worry about it because The Arm will do it" attitude.  I'd be more forgiving if they actually did something during my lessons other than wonder around in a trance, chatting to students. 

It seems that KETs are the group that benefit the most from NETs being here!

Lol I remember my first open class. I was mildly stressed about it (even asked my coT what the dress code was) and my coT kept telling me not to worry and that it wasn't a big deal. She was totally right, only one parent dropped in for like a hot second (smiled, said hello, promptly left).

At one of my travel schools, my coT does open classes by herself so I get told I don't have to come in on those days. Which is more of a bummer than anything cause some of my favorite classes are at that school.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1695 on: October 17, 2016, 10:17:16 AM »
I know its a little thing, but man does it grind my gears when you make the students do something and they do it so grudgingly, saying 아이씨 and 진짜 the whole time.

What grade(s) are these kids?? That's rude.
These were 3rd grade MS and very much in the wrong, so its not like they should have been surprised.

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« Reply #1696 on: October 17, 2016, 10:28:39 AM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:

tell your CoT that as they are assessing her, you should reverse roles.  She leads and you "assist"

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« Reply #1697 on: October 17, 2016, 10:34:57 AM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:

tell your CoT that as they are assessing her, you should reverse roles.  She leads and you "assist"
Yeah maybe since it's heropen class you could tell her that you will assist her, but she will be the leader and has to plan the class.

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« Reply #1698 on: October 17, 2016, 10:40:56 AM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:

tell your CoT that as they are assessing her, you should reverse roles.  She leads and you "assist"
Yeah maybe since it's heropen class you could tell her that you will assist her, but she will be the leader and has to plan the class.

Thanks guys; yea I think that's fair so I explained that she should really be making her own material (she literally just told me to send my stuff to her).  It took her a while to understand the point I was making and I don't think she was happy.

Then I think she was sulking/punishing me by being really unhelpful during our class this morning.  Mature way of handling things  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #1699 on: October 17, 2016, 10:50:11 AM »
I'm not at my main school on Fridays and whoever uses the English room then wrecks the place every week without fail. Last week, they left the door wide open. This week, every desk and chair has been haphazardly pushed up against the wall (after I painstakingly rearranged everything last Thursday) and the lights were left on all weekend. During the summer, the air conditioning was left on all weekend a number of times. I mention this to my co-teacher every week. Nothing changes. If anything ever goes missing or gets broken, I can imagine who's going to get the blame.

I've been left in such a "lurch" before. (couldn't help myself :angel:) The before-school dance program practices in the English room and always moves desks around to make space but then leaves the room 5 minutes before my first students arrive without reordering the desks. Also, the new Korean after-school teacher we have here doesn't seem to have any class management skills/concern as she can't even prevent the 5 students she has in her program from unlocking the closet and pulling out the wheeled chairs (that I put in there for the very purpose of them not messing around with them) to play bumper cars with, or riding the book dolly three-at-a-time around the room. I'm waiting for the day I walk in and see the glass doors shattered all over the floor. I made sure to mention what I saw to a coteacher, not because I expect anything to be done about it, but at least I can be on the record for expressing concern for that behavior.