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Re: Koreas Plastic Surgery Boom: The Cost of Beauty (documentary)
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2018, 11:57:54 AM »
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Short people don't get to be President.

Michael D Higgins might have something to say about that  :smiley: (He's the one on the right)

Is that Kevin Vickers with him?

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Re: Koreas Plastic Surgery Boom: The Cost of Beauty (documentary)
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2018, 03:22:28 PM »
Koreans don't even realize its wrong though.


But even when they do acknowledge such biases as wrong, they still act on them.

Thats why schools hire inexperienced teachers because they're blonde. Why Hospitals hire doctors based on youthfulness. Why people over 40 can't find a job. Why elderly people live in poverty and have to collect cardboard until the day they die.

You say Koreans don't even realize it's wrong and yet they are pushing to require companies to not have employee pictures during interviews. Anyways, what you call "wrong", they could say they are being "realistic" and looking for every possible edge in a competitive marketplace. 

You do realize some of this happens in other countries too, right? With the emphasis on technology and social trends, many employers are skeptical of older workers being "with it" when it comes to tech. There can be good reasons for not wanting to hire a dinosaur.

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Why elderly people live in poverty and have to collect cardboard until the day they die.
Everyone draws social security, and just like social security in most countries, it doesn't exactly provide a comfy middle class lifestyle. Sorry, South Korea doesn't have massive oil reserves and a small population that enables them to cut every citizen a fat check. It's also called work ethic. This is hard for young WEIRDs to understand (although people who grew up during the Depression get it) but some people literally can't stop working because they grew up during times of poverty, war, and hunger and working literally meant the difference between life and death. If you were a useless person or a burden, that was simply unacceptable. You will see this in old people back home too. Some of them just can't stop working either out of pride (they want to feel like they are still contributing) or boredom or whatever. For some it may be the fact that getting up and doing that enables them to exercise and interact with people on a daily basis, rather than staying at home in front of the idiot box, waiting to die. The lady a few farms down the road I grew up on was 95 when she died and did farm work right up until the end. Still growing peas and string beans and still mentally with it. She did work that many of us here would find too much. It's a completely different lifestyle, mentality, and ethic from a completely different time. YOU are the one living in fantasy land. They are the ones living in the real world.


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Why the old ajosshi started filming two black women for talking then felt he was in the right to physically restrain them.
Dude, we don't know the full story, but apparently one version is that they were being loud, obnoxious, and possibly harassing other passengers. If someone is being a public nuisance on a subway, they can be filmed. And if they harassed other passengers, then yes trying to detain them to face the law is acceptable. Not saying that is what happened, because we have incomplete information, but I think YOUR bias is showing.

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Why Koreans are only ever interested in travelling to America and think of every other country with disdain.

That's just not true, and if you really believe that, you don't know jack about Koreans and really shouldn't be here spouting opinions.

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Why SEA Asian employees have been mistreated here.

Cheap immigrant labor gets mistreated everywhere.

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Why people get fired and non-renewed even if they do an excellent job.

Welcome to the real world. Every employee thinks they do an excellent job. If you asked every employee how the company runs, they thinks they should be getting a 500% pay raise and the boss should be taking orders from them.

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Why women get paid less than men and hit the glass ceiling.
There is entrenched sexism. There's also the pay gap myth.

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Bias and discrimination is at childish extremes in this country, it corrupts everything. Because Koreans can't help themselves.

One look back home and they way we're tearing ourselves apart over this stuff suggests that this is more of a human problem than a Korean problem. I know this may come as a shock to you, but there's people who would go on the exact same rant where you come from. Regardless, it certainly is an issue, one that people are working on.

And as I pointed out, in some cases there might be a realistic reason. The world out there is cutthroat. All your moral preening is useless if you go broke while the hagwon next door with 5 hot teachers gets all the business. Sex sells. Short people don't get to be President. People with a Ted Cruz face don't get to be President. The young have more energy and are more intuitively with it in this tech-fueled social media age.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd we have a Korean apologist.
Do not criticise Korea and it's unique culture, it may be differen't but never wrong.
If you don't like it. Go back to your home country.

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Re: Koreas Plastic Surgery Boom: The Cost of Beauty (documentary)
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2018, 05:25:04 PM »
Koreans don't even realize its wrong though.


But even when they do acknowledge such biases as wrong, they still act on them.

Thats why schools hire inexperienced teachers because they're blonde. Why Hospitals hire doctors based on youthfulness. Why people over 40 can't find a job. Why elderly people live in poverty and have to collect cardboard until the day they die.

You say Koreans don't even realize it's wrong and yet they are pushing to require companies to not have employee pictures during interviews. Anyways, what you call "wrong", they could say they are being "realistic" and looking for every possible edge in a competitive marketplace. 

You do realize some of this happens in other countries too, right? With the emphasis on technology and social trends, many employers are skeptical of older workers being "with it" when it comes to tech. There can be good reasons for not wanting to hire a dinosaur.

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Why elderly people live in poverty and have to collect cardboard until the day they die.
Everyone draws social security, and just like social security in most countries, it doesn't exactly provide a comfy middle class lifestyle. Sorry, South Korea doesn't have massive oil reserves and a small population that enables them to cut every citizen a fat check. It's also called work ethic. This is hard for young WEIRDs to understand (although people who grew up during the Depression get it) but some people literally can't stop working because they grew up during times of poverty, war, and hunger and working literally meant the difference between life and death. If you were a useless person or a burden, that was simply unacceptable. You will see this in old people back home too. Some of them just can't stop working either out of pride (they want to feel like they are still contributing) or boredom or whatever. For some it may be the fact that getting up and doing that enables them to exercise and interact with people on a daily basis, rather than staying at home in front of the idiot box, waiting to die. The lady a few farms down the road I grew up on was 95 when she died and did farm work right up until the end. Still growing peas and string beans and still mentally with it. She did work that many of us here would find too much. It's a completely different lifestyle, mentality, and ethic from a completely different time. YOU are the one living in fantasy land. They are the ones living in the real world.


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Why the old ajosshi started filming two black women for talking then felt he was in the right to physically restrain them.
Dude, we don't know the full story, but apparently one version is that they were being loud, obnoxious, and possibly harassing other passengers. If someone is being a public nuisance on a subway, they can be filmed. And if they harassed other passengers, then yes trying to detain them to face the law is acceptable. Not saying that is what happened, because we have incomplete information, but I think YOUR bias is showing.

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Why Koreans are only ever interested in travelling to America and think of every other country with disdain.

That's just not true, and if you really believe that, you don't know jack about Koreans and really shouldn't be here spouting opinions.

Quote
Why SEA Asian employees have been mistreated here.

Cheap immigrant labor gets mistreated everywhere.

Quote
Why people get fired and non-renewed even if they do an excellent job.

Welcome to the real world. Every employee thinks they do an excellent job. If you asked every employee how the company runs, they thinks they should be getting a 500% pay raise and the boss should be taking orders from them.

Quote
Why women get paid less than men and hit the glass ceiling.
There is entrenched sexism. There's also the pay gap myth.

Quote
Bias and discrimination is at childish extremes in this country, it corrupts everything. Because Koreans can't help themselves.

One look back home and they way we're tearing ourselves apart over this stuff suggests that this is more of a human problem than a Korean problem. I know this may come as a shock to you, but there's people who would go on the exact same rant where you come from. Regardless, it certainly is an issue, one that people are working on.

And as I pointed out, in some cases there might be a realistic reason. The world out there is cutthroat. All your moral preening is useless if you go broke while the hagwon next door with 5 hot teachers gets all the business. Sex sells. Short people don't get to be President. People with a Ted Cruz face don't get to be President. The young have more energy and are more intuitively with it in this tech-fueled social media age.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd we have a Korean apologist.
Do not criticise Korea and it's unique culture, it may be differen't but never wrong.
If you don't like it. Go back to your home country.

Things are getting tense here  :huh:

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Re: Koreas Plastic Surgery Boom: The Cost of Beauty (documentary)
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2018, 09:10:04 AM »
That's just not true, and if you really believe that, you don't know jack about Koreans and really shouldn't be here spouting opinions.

*door opens*

'Did Martin really say that?'

'He did'

'That someone who has no idea what they're talking about shouldn't be spouting opinions on here?'

'That, he did' 

'Or maybe he meant 'sprouting onions'?'

'That should be in a different thread about Korean food'

'Yes, that'd be it'

*door closes*

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Re: Koreas Plastic Surgery Boom: The Cost of Beauty (documentary)
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2018, 11:26:19 AM »
James Madison was 5'4" / 163cm.

In the modern TV era.

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Re: Koreas Plastic Surgery Boom: The Cost of Beauty (documentary)
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2018, 11:59:58 AM »
Average poster: "Appearances don't matter. Why does everyone care so much? They're just superficial."

Spends 1 second looking at someone's Tinder pic before swiping left or right.

You know there's a difference between choosing someone for a job or a doctor's appointment and choosing someone you want to have sex with.

I believe that most research on cognition, human behavior, and psychology would indicate there isn't much difference. Obviously there's limits, but people are a lot more irrational and motivated by appearance at a subconscious level than many are willing to acknowledge.

Koreans don't even realize its wrong though.


But even when they do acknowledge such biases as wrong, they still act on them.

Thats why schools hire inexperienced teachers because they're blonde. Why Hospitals hire doctors based on youthfulness. Why people over 40 can't find a job. Why elderly people live in poverty and have to collect cardboard until the day they die. Why the old ajosshi started filming two black women for talking then felt he was in the right to physically restrain them. Why the korean police  think foreigners are always in the wrong. Why Koreans are only ever interested in travelling to America and think of every other country with disdain. Why SEA Asian employees have been mistreated here. Why people get fired and non-renewed even if they do an excellent job. Why women get paid less than men and hit the glass ceiling.

Bias and discrimination is at childish extremes in this country, it corrupts everything. Because Koreans can't help themselves.

This is so....sadly accurate. I feel like they are really technologically advanced but way back in the 50s with social development. I'm just really hoping it's not always this way.

And there is some hope. Some older people still stare at me like a zoo animal, but much of the younger generation (very young kids excluded) have learned not to. Baby steps :/

Yeah they are totally stuck in the 50s. They are going through all kinds of things Westerners were going through in the 50s, but mixed with weird modern technology.

I will say that in a lot of ways Koreans are a lot more accepting than we assume they are, like if you do something "bad" discretely, they will pretend it never happened. Friends and family are very loyal to one another. And they don't get upset about things that drive Westerners up the wall...good if you want to drink in the park, bad if you like peace and quiet.

But they are stubborn as hell about dealing with black people, gay rights, adultery, elderly poverty, sexual harassment, and all kinds of other issues.