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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2017, 05:57:59 PM »
[tinfoil hat stuff]
This info was taken from Global research, which is basically the National Enquirer" but with a political agenda. Anything quoted from that site is pretty much guaranteed to be drivel.  :undecided:

How did a 'suppressed' book make it on Der Spiegel Best Seller list?
Also, whether or not the book is being suppressed, it *is* possible to find it on amazon pretty easily.
Anybody interested enough to read it, you can find it here:
https://www.amazon.com/Gekaufte-Journalisten/dp/3864451434
(it's in German)
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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #61 on: November 11, 2017, 08:21:21 PM »
Anything quoted from that site is pretty much guaranteed to be drivel.

You could say the same for CNN and the NY times.

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How did a 'suppressed' book make it on Der Spiegel Best Seller list?

I don't think you've been following this thread have you now sonny?

The book wasn't supressed in germany. Although no journalist was permitted to write about it- a supression of sorts.

You're saying you don't find it strange that a bestseller recieves not a single review or mention in the mainstream media?


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Also, whether or not the book is being suppressed, it *is* possible to find it on amazon pretty easily.
Anybody interested enough to read it, you can find it here:
https://www.amazon.com/Gekaufte-Journalisten/dp/3864451434
(it's in German)

thats the whole point: it's non-availability in English. The english translation has been "privished".

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When a book publisher determines that it has acquired a politically volatile or otherwise “troublesome” title it may embark on a process recognized in the industry as “privishing.” “Privishing is a portmanteau meaning to privately publish, as opposed to true publishing that is open to the public,” writes investigative journalist Gerald Colby.

It is usually employed in the following context: “We privished the book so that it sank without a trace.” The mechanism used is simple: cut off the book’s life-support system by reducing the initial print run so that the book “cannot price profitably according to any conceivable formula,” refuse to do reprints, drastically slash the book’s advertising budget, and all but cancel the promotional tour.”[3]

Privishing often takes place without the author knowing, simply because it involves breach of contract and potential liability. Tayen Lane will likely not face any legal challenge in this instance, however. Ulfkotte died of a heart attack on January 13, 2017, at age 56.

Try reading the thread before you decide to comment on it.
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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #62 on: November 11, 2017, 08:33:11 PM »

Publication date: 30 Nov 2017
Publisher: Tayen Lane Publishing

https://www.bookdepository.com/publishers/Tayen-Lane-Publishing


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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2017, 08:23:51 AM »
Anything quoted from that site is pretty much guaranteed to be drivel.
You could say the same for CNN and the NY times.
One could, but then one would be dishonest. At least those publishers fact check before attempting to apply their respective biases. There's something to be said about accountability: it's hard for major newspapers to get away with straight-up lies. I mean, they report misinformation all the time, but it's generally not self-generated. Unlike Global Research which was originally started specifically to generate misinformation about the effects big oil companies have on the environment.

Try reading the thread before you decide to comment on it.
Lol. Pot kettle black.
You recycle your arguments ad nauseum.  :rolleyes:

You're saying you don't find it strange that a bestseller recieves not a single review or mention in the mainstream media?
No, I don't. Some of the best fiction writers of our time barely make a blip on the English market. For example, Liu Cixin is only now starting to get some recognition in non-Chinese circles.
And although you're right in that their isn't much news about it in English, that's not really unusual for non-English language materials.
   There's a lot of excellent scientific research, fiction, and reporting that never really makes it to our attention because the original material isn't in English. This seems to be a prime example thereof, unfortunately.


http://www.dialoginternational.com/dialog_international/2015/01/fake-journalist-udo-ulfkotte-makes-a-comeback-as-putin-propagandist.html
The only sources that article quotes are ones that lead back to the same site. I wouldn't trust "Dialog International" much more than any source that Aurata quotes.  :laugh:
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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2017, 12:16:07 AM »
Unlike Global Research which was originally started specifically to generate misinformation about the effects big oil companies have on the environment.

Nonsense.

Like most independent media its aim is to bring you the stories that the msm can't or won't report on.


Humans are programmed to go with the flow and stick with the group. Isolation is dangerous, thats why there are strong sociological urges for most people to simply follow what the majority is seen to believe. It provides them with a feeling of security. Thats why you cling to the mainstream media as your benchmark: sociological/emotional impulses have trumped logic and critical thinking in your brain.

Life improvement is the most acute example of this psychological dependency I have ever come across. He has lost the ability to think for himself.

If you were intellectually curious and really interested in the reality of what is happening in the world, you would be questioning what the msm spoonfeeds you, not blindly accepting it and sticking your head in the sand.


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it's hard for major newspapers to get away with straight-up lies.

Actually its excessively easy.

Especially when reporting on something far away that people are unable to check up for themselves.

They just have to say that "intelligence agencies said so" and 99% of americans go duuuh! It must be true!

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I mean, they report misinformation all the time, but it's generally not self-generated.

It is self-generated. The special interest groups in the US deliberately feed lies to the populace via the msm anytime they want to do something that advances their interests.

The role of the media is to transmit whatever messages its owner dictates, nothing more nothing less. 
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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #66 on: November 14, 2017, 06:06:43 AM »
The American public- a large group of stockholders- owns the media.

In sketchy places such as Russia the government controls the media.

In the land of the free TV stations and newspapers can say what they want.

But go too far into lunacy and advertisers may split.

Which is what is happening with Hannity now.

http://www.newsweek.com/sean-hannity-advertiser-keurig-attacked-russian-bots-after-far-right-protest-709128

https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-woman-accuses-roy-moore-sexual-assault-minor-202055321.html

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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #67 on: November 14, 2017, 07:33:20 AM »
Unlike Global Research which was originally started specifically to generate misinformation about the effects big oil companies have on the environment.

Nonsense.

Like most independent media its aim is to bring you the stories that the msm can't or won't report on.


Humans are programmed to go with the flow and stick with the group. Isolation is dangerous, thats why there are strong sociological urges for most people to simply follow what the majority is seen to believe. It provides them with a feeling of security. Thats why you cling to the mainstream media as your benchmark: sociological/emotional impulses have trumped logic and critical thinking in your brain.

Life improvement is the most acute example of this psychological dependency I have ever come across. He has lost the ability to think for himself.

If you were intellectually curious and really interested in the reality of what is happening in the world, you would be questioning what the msm spoonfeeds you, not blindly accepting it and sticking your head in the sand.


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it's hard for major newspapers to get away with straight-up lies.

Actually its excessively easy.

Especially when reporting on something far away that people are unable to check up for themselves.

They just have to say that "intelligence agencies said so" and 99% of americans go duuuh! It must be true!

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I mean, they report misinformation all the time, but it's generally not self-generated.

It is self-generated. The special interest groups in the US deliberately feed lies to the populace via the msm anytime they want to do something that advances their interests.

The role of the media is to transmit whatever messages its owner dictates, nothing more nothing less.
What a load of happy horse shite. Is this what cheap vodka does to one's, for lack of a better word, brain?

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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2017, 09:34:53 PM »
The American public- a large group of stockholders- owns the media.

No the "american public" certainly does not own the media. For the hundredth time:

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These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America

This infographic created by Jason at Frugal Dad shows that almost all media comes from the same six sources.

That's consolidated from 50 companies back in 1983. The fact that a few companies own everything demonstrates "the illusion of choice," Frugal Dad says. While some big sites, like Digg and Reddit aren't owned by any of the corporations, Time Warner owns news sites read by millions of Americans every year.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

Concentrated into the hands of only 15 billionaires:

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These 15 Billionaires Own America's News Media Companies

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/#401ecdf660ad

The nato-alligned western media is totally controlled by the elites and the cia.

Only the independent media is now left to conduct free and impartial actual journalism.


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But go too far into lunacy and advertisers may split.


Don't worry, the oligarchs subsidize their propaganda mouthpieces. NY times and CNN etc. Too big too fail. Like the banks, remember?
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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2017, 10:20:57 PM »
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2017/11/103_239240.html

American caught trying to enter North Korea

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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2017, 10:40:55 PM »
UK Prime Minister Theresa May has strong words for Russia over what she called its attempts to "weaponize information" to sow discord and undermine Western institutions.

"We know what you are doing. And you will not succeed," she said on Monday. "Because you underestimate the resilience of our democracies, the enduring attraction of free and open societies, and the commitment of Western nations to the alliances that bind us."

In a speech at the Lord Mayor's Banquet in London, May accused Moscow of meddling in elections and planting fake news stories as part of "sustained campaign of cyberespionage and disruption." Since its annexation of Crimea, May said Russia had fomented conflict in eastern Ukraine, violated airspace of European countries, and hacked the Danish ministry of defense and the German Parliament.

"The UK will do what is necessary to protect ourselves, and work with our allies to do likewise," she said. "So we will take the necessary actions to counter Russian activity. But this is not where we want to be -- and not the relationship with Russia we want."

Her criticism comes amid mounting allegations that groups linked to Russia or the Kremlin itself meddled in elections and referenda, including Brexit, Catalonia's independence vote, and the 2016 US presidential election. Her comments are in stark contrast to President's Donald Trump's recent comment that he believed Vladimir Putin's denials of interfering in the 2016 US presidential elections.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/13/europe/theresa-may-russia/index.html

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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2017, 12:57:22 AM »
UK Prime Minister Theresa May has strong words for Russia over what she called its attempts to "weaponize information" to sow discord and undermine Western institutions.

"We know what you are doing. And you will not succeed," she said on Monday. "Because you underestimate the resilience of our democracies, the enduring attraction of free and open societies, and the commitment of Western nations to the alliances that bind us."

In a speech at the Lord Mayor's Banquet in London, May accused Moscow of meddling in elections and planting fake news stories as part of "sustained campaign of cyberespionage and disruption." Since its annexation of Crimea, May said Russia had fomented conflict in eastern Ukraine, violated airspace of European countries, and hacked the Danish ministry of defense and the German Parliament.

"The UK will do what is necessary to protect ourselves, and work with our allies to do likewise," she said. "So we will take the necessary actions to counter Russian activity. But this is not where we want to be -- and not the relationship with Russia we want."

Her criticism comes amid mounting allegations that groups linked to Russia or the Kremlin itself meddled in elections and referenda, including Brexit, Catalonia's independence vote, and the 2016 US presidential election. Her comments are in stark contrast to President's Donald Trump's recent comment that he believed Vladimir Putin's denials of interfering in the 2016 US presidential elections.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/13/europe/theresa-may-russia/index.html

So you agree that 90% of american media is controlled by only six corporations then? Good.
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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2017, 08:04:47 AM »
2 AM is 8pm in Saint Petersburg, is perfect time for trolling, comrades!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/14/how-400-russia-run-fake-accounts-posted-bogus-brexit-tweets

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Russia used hundreds of fake accounts to tweet about Brexit, data shows

Researchers find that accounts run from a St Petersburg troll farm tried to sow discord between Britons over the referendum

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/14/russia-us-isis-syria-video-game-still

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Russia's 'irrefutable evidence' of US help for Isis appears to be video game still

The Russian defence ministry used social media to claim US connivance in Syria – using screenshot from AC-130 Gunship Simulator, online sleuths say

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

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The Boy Who Cried Wolf is one of Aesop's Fables, numbered 210 in the Perry Index.[1] From it is derived the English idiom "to cry wolf", defined as "to give a false alarm" in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable[2] and glossed by the Oxford English Dictionary as meaning to make false claims, with the result that subsequent true claims are disbelieved.[3]


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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2017, 08:23:35 AM »
Five dead in California shooting involving an elementary school, again by an assailant with a record of domestic abuse, along with a fondness for shooting off guns just for the heck of it.

When is Congress and American law enforcement going to wake up?

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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2017, 10:50:17 AM »
Five dead in California shooting involving an elementary school, again by an assailant with a record of domestic abuse, along with a fondness for shooting off guns just for the heck of it.

When is Congress and American law enforcement going to wake up?

Why should they when there are so many useful idiots who pretend it's all a big conspiracy so they don't have to face the fact that they enable death and destruction?

Why should they when most politicians have decided that kowtowing to the NRA and sacrificing lives to the Holy Death Cult of the AR-15 is more important than American lives?

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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #75 on: November 15, 2017, 10:51:01 PM »
Five dead in California shooting involving an elementary school, again by an assailant with a record of domestic abuse, along with a fondness for shooting off guns just for the heck of it.

When is Congress and American law enforcement going to wake up?


With all these shootings, it's no wonder the moron confused his shootings.  Texas was last week!  Maybe when another nutcase exercises his "right" Trump will address this shooting.  Say in a week or two?

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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2017, 01:34:07 PM »
"Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) in an interview broadcast Monday dismissed criticism of his tweet saying the Texas shooting victims 'need our prayers,' arguing 'prayer works.'

" 'It’s disappointing. It’s sad, and this is what you’ll get from the far secular left. People who do not have faith, don’t understand faith, I guess I’d have to say,' Ryan told Fox News’s Laura Ingraham on 'The Ingraham Angle' when asked about the criticism.

" 'And it is the right thing to do, is to pray in moments like this because you know what? Prayer works.' "
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/359079-paul-ryan-praying-is-the-right-thing-to-do-after-mass-shootings-because-it#

And why hasn't it been working for the past few decades? Why hasn't there been a decline in mass shootings?

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« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2017, 03:42:16 PM »
"Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) in an interview broadcast Monday dismissed criticism of his tweet saying the Texas shooting victims 'need our prayers,' arguing 'prayer works.'

" 'It’s disappointing. It’s sad, and this is what you’ll get from the far secular left. People who do not have faith, don’t understand faith, I guess I’d have to say,' Ryan told Fox News’s Laura Ingraham on 'The Ingraham Angle' when asked about the criticism.

" 'And it is the right thing to do, is to pray in moments like this because you know what? Prayer works.' "
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/359079-paul-ryan-praying-is-the-right-thing-to-do-after-mass-shootings-because-it#

And why hasn't it been working for the past few decades? Why hasn't there been a decline in mass shootings?
Yes, why isn't it working? Why are there more and more mass shootings with more and more dead?

BTW, you can pray and pass gun control legislation. It's not an either/or situation.

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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2017, 07:53:21 PM »
I find it confusing that the second amendment:

a·mend·ment
əˈmen(d)mənt/
noun
noun: amendment; plural noun: amendments

    a minor change in a document.
        a change or addition to a legal or statutory document.
        "an amendment to existing bail laws"
        an article added to the US Constitution.
        noun: Amendment; plural noun: Amendments
        "the First Amendment"

Which was not deemed worthy to be in the constitution in its original form, and had to be added later, is held as such a holy thing.

The 18th Amendment:
Prohibited the manufacturing or sale of alcohol within the United States.

Was removed by the 21st amendment:

Repeals the 18th Amendment.

So why the hoo-ha about the sacredness of this amendment? 


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Re: Mass shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas; 26 dead
« Reply #79 on: Yesterday at 10:12:29 AM »
Which was not deemed worthy to be in the constitution in its original form, and had to be added later, is held as such a holy thing.

That simply isn't how it is. The 1st 10 Amendments WERE the Constitution in its original form. They deal with the most basic elements of freedom and rights- The right to freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, free exercise of religion, trial by jury, probable cause, arrest by warrant, self-incrimination, double jeopardy, protection from cruel and unusual punishment and so on. These are the foundations of modern democratic societies that respect the rights of their citizens.

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a·mend·ment
əˈmen(d)mənt/
noun
noun: amendment; plural noun: amendments

    a minor change in a document.
        a change or addition to a legal or statutory document.
        "an amendment to existing bail laws"
        an article added to the US Constitution.
        noun: Amendment; plural noun: Amendments
        "the First Amendment"

The dictionary definition isn't law and it isn't used by lawyers and scholars when evaluating the significance of Amendments and American Constitutional Law.