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Offline NMonk

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« on: March 30, 2011, 11:12:16 AM »
The reason I love this website as opposed to Daves ESL is because the moderators here do not close down every thread for the slightest infringements. So I was really disappointed to see the thread  'Native Teachers GO BACK HOME!' closed by a moderator. It was an interesting read with some strong opinions on both sides, but because one or two people made personal insults (about anonymous people) it was closed down. Why close down an interesting thread about an extremely relevant topic about modern Korea because of one or two people? There was no foul or abusive language in general, and not really any DIRECT racism as a general theme in the thread. Are we not allowed to discuss any controversial topics here that people might get emotional about? Isn't the point of an anonymous forum for people to express what ever opinions they like?

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 11:14:26 AM »
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 11:17:12 AM »
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 11:20:12 AM »
The mods here seem very reasonable for the most part but they do seem a bit too sensitive towards things that may possibly be controversies amongst members. I think it's best to assume that people are posting with good intentions unless it's very clearly not the case.

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2011, 11:30:26 AM »
I actually agree with their decision. They put up two warnings and honestly the debate was getting pretty racist. We don't need all the superiority nonsense running around, especially since many Korean teachers use this website. I'm sure that reading something like that would be very upsetting.

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 11:36:37 AM »
By the time I logged in today the thread was already locked, after several people clicked "report post."  I don't want to lock every thread that offends or may later offend somebody, but people really need to learn how to stay on topic.  With this and with one of the relgion threads a few days ago it was pretty clear people weren't listening to the repeated moderator warnings to stay on topic and play nice, and so rather than spending all our time weeding through trolls and off-topic comments, the threads were locked. 

Nobody is afraid of controversial topics, but there are appropriate ways to talk about them.  We can take a look at this locked thread and see if it can be reopened, and find a way to deal with the users who are intent of derailing it.

I don't think this site will become like Dave's---we care too much about it---but it's important for users to moderate each other . . . and I think people have been pretty good about that lately.  But I also don't think moderators should have to babysit 25-year-olds and have to check in several times a day to break up bickering and remind them for the seventeenth time this day about the terms of service of the site.
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 11:37:13 AM »
The mods here seem very reasonable for the most part but they do seem a bit too sensitive towards things that may possibly be controversies amongst members. I think it's best to assume that people are posting with good intentions unless it's very clearly not the case.

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 11:37:21 AM »
The best thing about Waygook is the supportive and respectful nature of it's users. I think the tone has been getting a little more hostile recently, not from everyone, from no one in particular and I myself may indeed have contributed at times. It's just one of those things that happens when people  with strong opinions start discussing issues they are passionate about.

Unfortunately it is something that can quickly get out of control if not checked, I think the mods have tough decisions to make and they aren't always going to be popular with everyone. The more respectful we keep the tone the less chance of threads begin locked.
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 11:39:18 AM »
Good idea, with all due respect, to lock the thread.
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 11:44:19 AM »
By the time I logged in today the thread was already locked, after several people clicked "report post."  I don't want to lock every thread that offends or may later offend somebody, but people really need to learn how to stay on topic.  With this and with one of the relgion threads a few days ago it was pretty clear people weren't listening to the repeated moderator warnings to stay on topic and play nice, and so rather than spending all our time weeding through trolls and off-topic comments, the threads were locked. 

Nobody is afraid of controversial topics, but there are appropriate ways to talk about them.  We can take a look at this locked thread and see if it can be reopened, and find a way to deal with the users who are intent of derailing it.

I don't think this site will become like Dave's---we care too much about it---but it's important for users to moderate each other . . . and I think people have been pretty good about that lately.  But I also don't think moderators should have to babysit 25-year-olds and have to check in several times a day to break up bickering and remind them for the seventeenth time this day about the terms of service of the site.

Brian that's a really encouraging response, thanks :). Is there any way it would be possible to delete individual comments or users from a thread instead? It seems a bit unfair that because of a couple of, lets say, immature comments/users the thread was shut down for everybody because I really think it is a very relevant topic about life in Korea.

I appreciate your response.
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2011, 11:44:51 AM »
I agree with the decision.  For the most part, I enjoy the back and forth of opinions.  However, sometimes people get on their soapbox and go extremely off topic, or post something that they know will provoke others, sarcasm gets taken literally, it can be a real mess.  I'm not even a moderator and I find it frustrating how easy things go off topic, or how quick people are to judge.  I love reading debates here don't get me wrong. but if it is not in a respectful tone how can it be taken seriously?  People can be passionate and respectful at the same time.

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2011, 11:45:13 AM »
The best thing about Waygook is the supportive and respectful nature of it's users. I think the tone has been getting a little more hostile recently, not from everyone, from no one in particular and I myself may indeed have contributed at times.

The reason for that, to be honest, is that there has been recent shit from Koreans (the GEPIK issue being one of them).   People are frustrated and don't have an outlet for their frustrations.  So they take out their frustrations on the easiest targets.   People on the waygook forum are an easier target than the GEPIK management or Korean coteachers.


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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2011, 11:49:36 AM »
The best thing about Waygook is the supportive and respectful nature of it's users. I think the tone has been getting a little more hostile recently, not from everyone, from no one in particular and I myself may indeed have contributed at times. It's just one of those things that happens when people  with strong opinions start discussing issues they are passionate about.

Unfortunately it is something that can quickly get out of control if not checked, I think the mods have tough decisions to make and they aren't always going to be popular with everyone. The more respectful we keep the tone the less chance of threads begin locked.

Agree 100%, this is a place for us to be supportive of each other, share ideas etc.  If you want to debate racialism, religion and politics, then start a blog and do it.
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2011, 11:51:08 AM »
The best thing about Waygook is the supportive and respectful nature of it's users. I think the tone has been getting a little more hostile recently, not from everyone, from no one in particular and I myself may indeed have contributed at times.

The reason for that, to be honest, is that there has been recent shit from Koreans

Whether or not that is the case (I'm not sure it is), swearing and making finger pointing blanket statements is probably not going to convince the mods that we are responsible users capable of discussing things in a calm objective manner.
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2011, 11:59:50 AM »
The best thing about Waygook is the supportive and respectful nature of it's users. I think the tone has been getting a little more hostile recently, not from everyone, from no one in particular and I myself may indeed have contributed at times. It's just one of those things that happens when people  with strong opinions start discussing issues they are passionate about.

Unfortunately it is something that can quickly get out of control if not checked, I think the mods have tough decisions to make and they aren't always going to be popular with everyone. The more respectful we keep the tone the less chance of threads begin locked.

Agree 100%, this is a place for us to be supportive of each other, share ideas etc.  If you want to debate racialism, religion and politics, then start a blog and do it.

But isn't this a place to discuss racialism, religion and politics in Korea? Otherwise why is it called general discussion? People are going to disagree, sometimes strongly, what better place to do it than an anonymous forum? And if a couple of people do become personally offensive why shut down an interesting topic for everyone> Wouldn't it be better to just ban the couple of people from the thread and wran them about future conduct in other threads?
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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2011, 12:11:18 PM »
If I could make one suggestion, taking cues from another site, I'd suggest that when a thread gets way off topic the mods break off the off-topic posts and start a new thread. On a site of this nature it's almost inevitable that many threads will go off tangentially.

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2011, 12:11:56 PM »
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2 problems here,  1.  if you just block those individuals/comments, it would possibly change the context of the thread.  2. Korea (web Nazi's) monitors ALL websites and the foreigners even closer! so moderators must be vigilant and not allow things to get TOO out of hand! 

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2011, 12:14:21 PM »
I don't want to lock every thread that offends or may later offend somebody, but people really need to learn how to stay on topic.  With this and with one of the relgion threads a few days ago it was pretty clear people weren't listening to the repeated moderator warnings to stay on topic and play nice, and so rather than spending all our time weeding through trolls and off-topic comments, the threads were locked. 

Nobody is afraid of controversial topics, but there are appropriate ways to talk about them.  We can take a look at this locked thread and see if it can be reopened, and find a way to deal with the users who are intent of derailing it.

Agreed.  I can attest that we do the best that we can, and when threads are locked it's not just because we don't want to discuss "controversial topics" -- it's because the thread is getting derailed in such a way that mature debate about the original topic  is no longer happening.  Racism is not acceptable.  Threats, abusive language, etc. are not acceptable.  If a thread appears to be perpetuating these types of comments, it's in the best interest of the forum to lock that thread. 

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2011, 12:14:50 PM »
great call on locking the thread. sometimes, if its getting a bit controversial, then its only going to go in one direction. freedom of expression and debate is important, but so are respect for other peoples opinions. Also, i know of a few koreans that come on this site too, maybe we should be careful about the impression we create?  They find they waygook perspective interesting and their english is good enough to understand what they are reading.

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Re: Disappointed in the WAYGOOK moderators
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2011, 12:15:29 PM »
I understand what both sides, or I should say all sides, are getting at here.  I think the key thing to remember is that our moderators are doing this on a volunteer basis.  Why should be thanking them for the time and effort they are putting into keeping this site up and running.

I do not expect someone, who is moderating this website with NO pay, to sit on the computer all day, and go through every thread in order to delete one or two comments that are crossing the line.

Until this becomes a pay for use site - we have to accept the terms of use, and we have to trust that our moderators (once again, some who are doing it for free, and some who are actually paying to keep this site up and running!) are looking out for the interest of the whole group.

I applaud you moderators, and thank you for continuing to help me provide my students with all of these great materials.
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