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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2018, 09:35:56 PM »
Cultural appropriation is a thing that college kids take on as a concern for a couple years of their lives when they are searching for causes to fight. There was once a time when it was kind of an interesting academic concept, but the Twitter generation ran wild with it, like so many other things, and it mutated into something almost as weird as Kim Du Han's original post.

Maybe, though some have lost their jobs over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/us/yale-lecturer-resigns-after-email-on-halloween-costumes.html

That's what I mean. The confused brats who wasted their educational opportunities at Yale in favor of screaming at the Christakises won't be so concerned with cultural appropriation once they have real-world problems to deal with. It's a flash-in-the-pan cause for most people.

My point was that if the powers that be at the university were involved to the extent that someone lost their job, it's gone further than just kids protesting frivolous causes.

I don't really understand. She resigned voluntarily. Yale's statement, from the article you linked:

“Erika Christakis is a well-regarded instructor, and the university’s leadership is disappointed that she has chosen not to continue teaching in the spring semester. Her teaching is highly valued and she is welcome to resume teaching anytime at Yale, where freedom of expression and academic inquiry are the paramount principle and practice.”

I've listened to several interviews with Nicholas Christakis and, while I think he's careful not get too personal about it, it seems like it was just the easier choice for her to leave. They've both been earning good incomes for a long time, they're both well-respected academics with Ivy League cred who could pick up jobs anywhere, and the House Master gigs at Yale sound like they're often a tedious distraction from research and teaching, even when your residents aren't calling for your head. I don't blame her for leaving.

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2018, 10:13:00 PM »
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=243861&utm_source=dable

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Korea embraces diversity for strong Olympic team

More like "Brittle, Proudly Xenophobic Nation Buys Athletes to Save Face"

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2018, 11:55:22 PM »

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2018, 12:06:33 AM »
A korean couple moves to Germany learns german and takes in the culture and their kids are german and are seen as Germans and you're racist if you ask them where they came from as they are german.

A german couple moves to korea and takes in the culture and their kids become korean. They are ridiculed and can't wear traditional Korean clothing without being harassed  by asian Americans and liberals alike and they are called out for appropriating korean culture!!

Canadian born hockey players become korean and get ridiculed too and called out even though they live in korea and will retire in korea.

Why is the first situation ok while the second one is appropriation? Why are a certain group of people not allowed to become members of another country while others can?

One word: Liberalism!

Liberalism ain't what it use to be.  The new left has gotten so crazy that traditional liberals are pushed to the right which they really aren't.  Remember Neocons cried just as much as far left radicals when Trump won. 


Quote:  word:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sMoykZ-lM


Neocon triggered:  Wah!  Boo hoo!!!  Screw them!!  :  David Frum whines!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNeulNdfRI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuhRTuK7ydw


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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2018, 12:11:55 AM »
More about insane political correctness and cultural appropriation.  Some of you folks are bat $h!t crazy and it's pushing what were once moderate liberals into the Trump camp.  At least folks can take solace that warring neocons are pissed about him being President too. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0

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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2018, 01:47:23 AM »

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 02:08:26 AM by KimDuHan »

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2018, 03:41:07 AM »

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2018, 06:42:05 AM »

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.

So I assume you're going to do thorough research into all aspects of Thai culture before going over there to ahem, culturally appropriate their cut-price prostitutes.  :wink:
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 07:23:35 AM by eggieguffer »

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2018, 08:01:42 AM »
So I assume you're going to do thorough research into all aspects of Thai culture before going over there to ahem, culturally appropriate their cut-price prostitutes:wink:

If I did that in Seoul, does that make it on neutral territory and I'm off the hook for any sins committed?

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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2018, 08:17:04 AM »
And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world.
     With this in mind, please explain the multiple genocides conducted by the Hutus (the majority race) in Central Africa against the regions' various ethnic minorities.
     I feel it's relevant to point out that, in the long and rich history of our species, nearly every group that has ever had a mediocum of power has used it to oppress.
  Hyper-conservatives the world over are especially bad news regardless of their race. When unrepentant xenophobes gain power, things tend to go badly for whatever minorities are the most convenient scapegoats.

      Insofar as cultural appropriation goes, I would be sad if I weren't able to eat papaya salad at the local Thai restaurant, watch my favourite Japanese animation (GitS), listen to some traditional Korean music while studying, or drive everybody mad with my Hawaiian ukulele. Where are the line between respect, globalization, and just appropriation? I agree that it involves the respect an individual pays towards the culture they are borrowing from, but how does one easily determine whether a person is being respectful? 2 people could be doing the exact same things and in the exact same context, but one would be guilty of cultural appropriation while the other would not be.
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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2018, 08:30:59 AM »
Strawman.

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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2018, 08:37:23 AM »
I enjoy with people confuse cultural appropriation with cultural appreciation. This is a conversation I feel people really don't care to understand, but they rather shoot off their unintelligible opinion.

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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2018, 09:01:10 AM »
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I enjoy with people confuse cultural appropriation with cultural appreciation. This is a conversation I feel people really don't care to understand, but they rather shoot off their unintelligible opinion.

Ironic

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Insofar as cultural appropriation goes, I would be sad if I weren't able to eat papaya salad at the local Thai restaurant, watch my favourite Japanese animation (GitS), listen to some traditional Korean music while studying, or drive everybody mad with my Hawaiian ukulele. Where's the line between globalization and cultural appropriation? I agree that it involves the respect an individual pays towards the culture they are borrowing from, but how does one easily determine whether a person is being respectful? 2 people could be doing the exact same things and in the exact same context, but one would be guilty of cultural appropriation while the other would not be.

 If a white person wears a Native American hat, it must be disrespectful because 'white supremacy' This does not apply to say a black person wearing a leprechaun hat on St Patrick's day or a Korean wearing a kilt. The fact that  none of the people involved have any knowledge about the origin of those cultural symbols or what they mean is immaterial.

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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2018, 09:18:01 AM »

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.




Do go on...

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2018, 09:20:55 AM »
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Where's the line between globalization and cultural appropriation?
If a white person wears a Native American hat, it must be disrespectful because 'white supremacy' This does not apply to say a black person wearing a leprechaun hat on St Patrick's day or a Korean wearing a kilt. The fact that  none of the people involved have any knowledge about the origin of those cultural symbols or what they mean is immaterial.
It may also have something to do with an empowered majority population's relationship with the minority in question. I wonder if Ainu people or the Ryukyuans get upset when Yamato Japanese wear their traditional clothes, or eat their traditional foods?
    I imagine that folk are far more complacent about letting buddies play with their culture, and far less so when it's the dude whose great-great-gramps pillaged and burned the family farm.

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2018, 09:32:28 AM »
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Where are the line between respect, globalization, and just appropriation? I agree that it involves the respect an individual pays towards the culture they are borrowing from, but how does one easily determine whether a person is being respectful?

This was the original question behind the concept of cultural appropriation, and why the term gained currency in the social sciences. Students aren't actually taught that any instance of cultural borrowing is inherently immoral, and there's very little academic literature that would support that position. The most hysterical opponents of "cultural appropriation" come to that conclusion on their own, often based on a misreading of the whole idea.

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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2018, 09:57:43 AM »
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It may also have something to do with an empowered majority population's relationship with the minority in question. I wonder if Ainu people or the Ryukyuans get upset when Yamato Japanese wear their traditional clothes, or eat their traditional foods?
    I imagine that folk are far more complacent about letting buddies play with their culture, and far less so when it's the dude whose great-great-gramps pillaged and burned the family farm.

I'd guesstimate that most people around the world either don't give a crap about stuff like this, or are in favor of cultural appropriation. Especially if they're in the cultural export/souvenirs market. Unless they've been told to think otherwise by Western progressives. E.g. Your average Korean would  probably be made up if a Westerner wanted to wear a Western version of a hanbok for Halloween. I'm sure Korean monasteries do pretty well out of white people pretending to be Budhists for the weekend (without having done all the appropriate research)
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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2018, 10:48:19 AM »
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=243861&utm_source=dable

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Korea embraces diversity for strong Olympic team

More like "Brittle, Proudly Xenophobic Nation Buys Athletes to Save Face"

Dude, every small-medium sized country out there does this. Singling out Korea for this is ridiculous and just a sign of your own bigoted bias.

To take it to the extreme, Hitler did this when it came to Jesse Owens at the 1936 Olympics. His point being that African-Americans were segregated against in the USA, but they were then trotted out when it came to the Olympics. African-American athletes have made the same point from a different angle- that they're cheered and celebrated by the country when they win, but think that there is systemic racism in the system.

Anyways, the athletes that they invited are in sports that Korea isn't expected to medal in. How is it saving face to bring in foreign athletes to get trounced 8-1 by Slovakia or whoever in ice hockey? Is it that different than getting trounced 12-1? All the sports that Korea is expected to medal in or even have a chance at a medal are with Korean athletes- bobsled (outside chance), skeleton, speed skating, short track, moguls (failed), and mayyybe curling. Your point is great on the critical, but utterly devoid of the thinking and I think you really need to examine your biased attitudes that are causing you to express such unfounded opinions.


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Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2018, 11:20:01 AM »
And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.

I rate this post as most important in the thread because I am now aware of a Jamaican Jerk chicken place in Seoul.

If only there was a good Ethiopian place.....

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And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world.

I think that's a rather bold proclamation to make and I'm not sure it would stand up to scrutiny. I know for a fact that there a sizable numbers of the East Asian, South Asian, and Middle-Eastern communities in the United States at least, that would rate African-American racism and treatment towards them as worse than white racism.