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Title: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: KimDuHan on February 11, 2018, 10:41:32 PM
A korean couple moves to Germany learns german and takes in the culture and their kids are german and are seen as Germans and you're racist if you ask them where they came from as they are german.

A german couple moves to korea and takes in the culture and their kids become korean. They are ridiculed and can't wear traditional Korean clothing without being harassed  by asian Americans and liberals alike and they are called out for appropriating korean culture!!

Canadian born hockey players become korean and get ridiculed too and called out even though they live in korea and will retire in korea.

Why is the first situation ok while the second one is appropriation? Why are a certain group of people not allowed to become members of another country while others can?

One word: Liberalism!
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: nakdong on February 11, 2018, 11:26:18 PM
I don't have the word you're looking for, but it's not liberalism. I don't think you know what liberalism means
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: grey on February 12, 2018, 03:49:20 AM
A korean couple moves to Germany learns german and takes in the culture and their kids are german and are seen as Germans and you're racist if you ask them where they came from as they are german.

A german couple moves to korea and takes in the culture and their kids become korean. They are ridiculed and can't wear traditional Korean clothing without being harassed  by asian Americans and liberals alike and they are called out for appropriating korean culture!!

Canadian born hockey players become korean and get ridiculed too and called out even though they live in korea and will retire in korea.

Why is the first situation ok while the second one is appropriation? Why are a certain group of people not allowed to become members of another country while others can?

One word: Liberalism!

You have clearly never been to Germany. That example is incredibly incomprehensible and impossible.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 12, 2018, 05:37:05 AM
A korean couple moves to Germany learns german and takes in the culture and their kids are german and are seen as Germans and you're racist if you ask them where they came from as they are german.

A german couple moves to korea and takes in the culture and their kids become korean. They are ridiculed and can't wear traditional Korean clothing without being harassed  by asian Americans and liberals alike and they are called out for appropriating korean culture!!

Canadian born hockey players become korean and get ridiculed too and called out even though they live in korea and will retire in korea.

Why is the first situation ok while the second one is appropriation? Why are a certain group of people not allowed to become members of another country while others can?

One word: Liberalism!

It's a good point and I think basically just down to the law of averages. Generally majority white countries are the ones people want to emmigrate to, so a white person emmigrating to a non white country is going to come across as  weirder. I reckon if a Korean guy in Germany started walking around in lederhosen he might come in for a little bit of flack, though as we all know 'cultural appropriation' is a load of white-guilt racist bollocks.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: donuts81 on February 12, 2018, 09:05:25 AM
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and their kids become korean.
......and will forever have to put up with the egregious burden of micro-aggressions  :laugh:
Where are you from? You speak Korean well. You can eat spicy food?!?

How many generations do you think that would last for?
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 12, 2018, 09:12:02 AM
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and their kids become korean.
......and will forever have to put up with the egregious burden of micro-aggressions  :laugh:
Where are you from? You speak Korean well. You can eat spicy food?!?

How many generations do you think that would last for?

You think those are microaggressions?
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: kyndo on February 12, 2018, 10:01:27 AM
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and their kids become korean.
......and will forever have to put up with the egregious burden of micro-aggressions  :laugh:
Where are you from? You speak Korean well. You can eat spicy food?!?
How many generations do you think that would last for?
You think those are microaggressions?
Nanoaggressions, maybe. :laugh:
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: JNM on February 12, 2018, 11:07:51 AM
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and their kids become korean.
......and will forever have to put up with the egregious burden of micro-aggressions  :laugh:
Where are you from? You speak Korean well. You can eat spicy food?!?
How many generations do you think that would last for?
You think those are microaggressions?
Nanoaggressions, maybe. :laugh:

Being of Scottish heritage, it boils my blood to see Asians wearing tartan! Worst of all, the Royal Stewart. Have they no understanding that wearing this signifies allegence to HMTQ? I think they are mocking us.

/s
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: CO2 on February 12, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
Being of Scottish heritage, it boils my blood to see Asians wearing tartan! Worst of all, the Royal Stewart.
You mean Rod Stewart?
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 12, 2018, 12:23:09 PM
I reckon if a Korean guy in Germany started walking around in lederhosen he might come in for a little bit of flack, though as we all know 'cultural appropriation' is a load of white-guilt racist bollocks.

I reckon if anyone, including native Germans, walked around Germany in Lederhosen, that they'd get a fair bit of slack unless they were on their way to some sort of festival/work.

and their kids are german and are seen as Germans
Uhm, is that really how you think it is?

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Canadian born hockey players become korean and get ridiculed too and called out even though they live in korea and will retire in korea.

Called out by who?

And many won't retire in Korea. A lot of the dual-nation athletes move back home when their careers are over.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 12, 2018, 12:58:40 PM
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and their kids become korean.
......and will forever have to put up with the egregious burden of micro-aggressions  :laugh:
Where are you from? You speak Korean well. You can eat spicy food?!?
How many generations do you think that would last for?
You think those are microaggressions?
Nanoaggressions, maybe. :laugh:

Being of Scottish heritage, it boils my blood to see Asians wearing tartan! Worst of all, the Royal Stewart. Have they no understanding that wearing this signifies allegence to HMTQ? I think they are mocking us.

/s

Cultural appropriation is only a thing when progressives deem the culture in question to be inferior or have less value. The Scots, despite having been colonised for hundreds of years, don't qualify for it as they're white. Which is what makes the whole thing a tad racist
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: CO2 on February 12, 2018, 01:23:37 PM
Cultural appropriation is only a thing when progressives deem the culture in question to be inferior or have less value.
YESSSSS

"Isn't being Mexican shitty enough without you wearing their hat?"

This is what I hear when people complain about sombrero wearing/Day of the Dead/Sugar Skull shit.

I don't pity Mexicans. Some, sure. And there are a bunch of Koreans and Canadians I pity too. You point out a poor farmer in Mexico and I'll think, "Shit, that's rough." I pass a homeless guy in Toronto, I think the same.

What I won't do is pity an entire country and its people. It ain't happening.

"The poor Mexicans, you are wearing their hat!" Sorry, shithead, I don't pity different cultures. Best case scenario? They think Mexicans are over-sensitive pussies who can't handle their clothes being worn and their food being eaten.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: JNM on February 12, 2018, 02:10:57 PM
Cultural appropriation is only a thing when progressives deem the culture in question to be inferior or have less value.
YESSSSS

"Isn't being Mexican shitty enough without you wearing their hat?"


My wearing a Mexican hat made Mexico shittier? I am sorry about that.
I would also like to apologize to Italy for wearing Italian-cut suits and jackets.
All those years studying Ju Jitsu and Karate likely hurt Japan as well.  Sorry.
For all those times I referred arguments full of holes as "Swiss Cheese", I apologize.

If any of you make fun of this Canadian for apologizing so much... sorry if I have offended.




 
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: gogators! on February 12, 2018, 02:48:20 PM
Cultural appropriation is only a thing when progressives deem the culture in question to be inferior or have less value.
YESSSSS

"Isn't being Mexican shitty enough without you wearing their hat?"

This is what I hear when people complain about sombrero wearing/Day of the Dead/Sugar Skull shit.

I don't pity Mexicans. Some, sure. And there are a bunch of Koreans and Canadians I pity too. You point out a poor farmer in Mexico and I'll think, "Shit, that's rough." I pass a homeless guy in Toronto, I think the same.

What I won't do is pity an entire country and its people. It ain't happening.

"The poor Mexicans, you are wearing their hat!" Sorry, shithead, I don't pity different cultures. Best case scenario? They think Mexicans are over-sensitive pussies who can't handle their clothes being worn and their food being eaten.
I mean. Is that a mexican poncho. Or is that a sears poncho? Hmmm... No foolin...
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Andyman on February 12, 2018, 03:50:07 PM
Cultural appropriation is a thing that college kids take on as a concern for a couple years of their lives when they are searching for causes to fight. There was once a time when it was kind of an interesting academic concept, but the Twitter generation ran wild with it, like so many other things, and it mutated into something almost as weird as Kim Du Han's original post.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 12, 2018, 04:22:59 PM
Cultural appropriation is a thing that college kids take on as a concern for a couple years of their lives when they are searching for causes to fight. There was once a time when it was kind of an interesting academic concept, but the Twitter generation ran wild with it, like so many other things, and it mutated into something almost as weird as Kim Du Han's original post.

Maybe, though some have lost their jobs over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/us/yale-lecturer-resigns-after-email-on-halloween-costumes.html
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: MayorHaggar on February 12, 2018, 04:47:07 PM
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Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Andyman on February 12, 2018, 06:24:13 PM
Cultural appropriation is a thing that college kids take on as a concern for a couple years of their lives when they are searching for causes to fight. There was once a time when it was kind of an interesting academic concept, but the Twitter generation ran wild with it, like so many other things, and it mutated into something almost as weird as Kim Du Han's original post.

Maybe, though some have lost their jobs over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/us/yale-lecturer-resigns-after-email-on-halloween-costumes.html

That's what I mean. The confused brats who wasted their educational opportunities at Yale in favor of screaming at the Christakises won't be so concerned with cultural appropriation once they have real-world problems to deal with. It's a flash-in-the-pan cause for most people.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 12, 2018, 07:02:55 PM
Cultural appropriation is a thing that college kids take on as a concern for a couple years of their lives when they are searching for causes to fight. There was once a time when it was kind of an interesting academic concept, but the Twitter generation ran wild with it, like so many other things, and it mutated into something almost as weird as Kim Du Han's original post.

Maybe, though some have lost their jobs over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/us/yale-lecturer-resigns-after-email-on-halloween-costumes.html

That's what I mean. The confused brats who wasted their educational opportunities at Yale in favor of screaming at the Christakises won't be so concerned with cultural appropriation once they have real-world problems to deal with. It's a flash-in-the-pan cause for most people.

My point was that if the powers that be at the university were involved to the extent that someone lost their job, it's gone further than just kids protesting frivolous causes.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: sligo on February 12, 2018, 08:14:08 PM
Cultural appropriation is a thing that college kids take on as a concern for a couple years of their lives when they are searching for causes to fight. There was once a time when it was kind of an interesting academic concept, but the Twitter generation ran wild with it, like so many other things, and it mutated into something almost as weird as Kim Du Han's original post.

Maybe, though some have lost their jobs over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/us/yale-lecturer-resigns-after-email-on-halloween-costumes.html

That's what I mean. The confused brats who wasted their educational opportunities at Yale in favor of screaming at the Christakises won't be so concerned with cultural appropriation once they have real-world problems to deal with. It's a flash-in-the-pan cause for most people.

My point was that if the powers that be at the university were involved to the extent that someone lost their job, it's gone further than just kids protesting frivolous causes.

there was a video a few years ago feauring a white kid with dreadlocks and an angry black woman who accused him of cutural whatnot (a quick search later):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8)

When i first saw this i wondered what would happen if a white person attacked a black person with straightened hair in the same way.  Why is it OK to adopt some aspects of a culture and not others.  Noone bats an eyelid if you eat noodles with chopsticks in a Japanese restaurant in Manchester, but if you put those chopsticks in your hair as a fashion accessory you may as well have raped nanjing.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Andyman on February 12, 2018, 09:35:56 PM
Cultural appropriation is a thing that college kids take on as a concern for a couple years of their lives when they are searching for causes to fight. There was once a time when it was kind of an interesting academic concept, but the Twitter generation ran wild with it, like so many other things, and it mutated into something almost as weird as Kim Du Han's original post.

Maybe, though some have lost their jobs over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/us/yale-lecturer-resigns-after-email-on-halloween-costumes.html

That's what I mean. The confused brats who wasted their educational opportunities at Yale in favor of screaming at the Christakises won't be so concerned with cultural appropriation once they have real-world problems to deal with. It's a flash-in-the-pan cause for most people.

My point was that if the powers that be at the university were involved to the extent that someone lost their job, it's gone further than just kids protesting frivolous causes.

I don't really understand. She resigned voluntarily. Yale's statement, from the article you linked:

“Erika Christakis is a well-regarded instructor, and the university’s leadership is disappointed that she has chosen not to continue teaching in the spring semester. Her teaching is highly valued and she is welcome to resume teaching anytime at Yale, where freedom of expression and academic inquiry are the paramount principle and practice.”

I've listened to several interviews with Nicholas Christakis and, while I think he's careful not get too personal about it, it seems like it was just the easier choice for her to leave. They've both been earning good incomes for a long time, they're both well-respected academics with Ivy League cred who could pick up jobs anywhere, and the House Master gigs at Yale sound like they're often a tedious distraction from research and teaching, even when your residents aren't calling for your head. I don't blame her for leaving.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: MayorHaggar on February 12, 2018, 10:13:00 PM
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=243861&utm_source=dable

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Korea embraces diversity for strong Olympic team

More like "Brittle, Proudly Xenophobic Nation Buys Athletes to Save Face"
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Foreverparadise on February 12, 2018, 11:55:22 PM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: hangook77 on February 13, 2018, 12:06:33 AM
A korean couple moves to Germany learns german and takes in the culture and their kids are german and are seen as Germans and you're racist if you ask them where they came from as they are german.

A german couple moves to korea and takes in the culture and their kids become korean. They are ridiculed and can't wear traditional Korean clothing without being harassed  by asian Americans and liberals alike and they are called out for appropriating korean culture!!

Canadian born hockey players become korean and get ridiculed too and called out even though they live in korea and will retire in korea.

Why is the first situation ok while the second one is appropriation? Why are a certain group of people not allowed to become members of another country while others can?

One word: Liberalism!

Liberalism ain't what it use to be.  The new left has gotten so crazy that traditional liberals are pushed to the right which they really aren't.  Remember Neocons cried just as much as far left radicals when Trump won. 


Quote:  word:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sMoykZ-lM


Neocon triggered:  Wah!  Boo hoo!!!  Screw them!!  :  David Frum whines!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNeulNdfRI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuhRTuK7ydw

Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: hangook77 on February 13, 2018, 12:11:55 AM
More about insane political correctness and cultural appropriation.  Some of you folks are bat $h!t crazy and it's pushing what were once moderate liberals into the Trump camp.  At least folks can take solace that warring neocons are pissed about him being President too. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: KimDuHan on February 13, 2018, 01:47:23 AM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Foreverparadise on February 13, 2018, 03:41:07 AM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 13, 2018, 06:42:05 AM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.

So I assume you're going to do thorough research into all aspects of Thai culture before going over there to ahem, culturally appropriate their cut-price prostitutes.  :wink:
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: CO2 on February 13, 2018, 08:01:42 AM
So I assume you're going to do thorough research into all aspects of Thai culture before going over there to ahem, culturally appropriate their cut-price prostitutes.  :wink:

If I did that in Seoul, does that make it on neutral territory and I'm off the hook for any sins committed?
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: kyndo on February 13, 2018, 08:17:04 AM
And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world.
     With this in mind, please explain the multiple genocides conducted by the Hutus (the majority race) in Central Africa against the regions' various ethnic minorities.
     I feel it's relevant to point out that, in the long and rich history of our species, nearly every group that has ever had a mediocum of power has used it to oppress.
  Hyper-conservatives the world over are especially bad news regardless of their race. When unrepentant xenophobes gain power, things tend to go badly for whatever minorities are the most convenient scapegoats.

      Insofar as cultural appropriation goes, I would be sad if I weren't able to eat papaya salad (http://static.asiawebdirect.com/m/bangkok/portals/bangkok-com/homepage/food-top10/pagePropertiesImage/thai-som-tum.jpg.jpg) at the local Thai restaurant, watch my favourite Japanese animation (GitS (https://blogs-images.forbes.com/olliebarder/files/2014/11/gits_online_nexon1.jpg)), listen to some traditional Korean music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfOHjeI-Bns) while studying, or drive everybody mad with my Hawaiian ukulele (https://78.media.tumblr.com/bc957c8acbbfccb6231f470cc179b9c8/tumblr_o8alcnHAmk1vt3qqlo1_500.gif). Where are the line between respect, globalization, and just appropriation? I agree that it involves the respect an individual pays towards the culture they are borrowing from, but how does one easily determine whether a person is being respectful? 2 people could be doing the exact same things and in the exact same context, but one would be guilty of cultural appropriation while the other would not be.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: joeyg on February 13, 2018, 08:30:59 AM
Strawman.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: kojinsing on February 13, 2018, 08:37:23 AM
I enjoy with people confuse cultural appropriation with cultural appreciation. This is a conversation I feel people really don't care to understand, but they rather shoot off their unintelligible opinion.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 13, 2018, 09:01:10 AM
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I enjoy with people confuse cultural appropriation with cultural appreciation. This is a conversation I feel people really don't care to understand, but they rather shoot off their unintelligible opinion.

Ironic
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 13, 2018, 09:06:42 AM
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Insofar as cultural appropriation goes, I would be sad if I weren't able to eat papaya salad at the local Thai restaurant, watch my favourite Japanese animation (GitS), listen to some traditional Korean music while studying, or drive everybody mad with my Hawaiian ukulele. Where's the line between globalization and cultural appropriation? I agree that it involves the respect an individual pays towards the culture they are borrowing from, but how does one easily determine whether a person is being respectful? 2 people could be doing the exact same things and in the exact same context, but one would be guilty of cultural appropriation while the other would not be.

 If a white person wears a Native American hat, it must be disrespectful because 'white supremacy' This does not apply to say a black person wearing a leprechaun hat on St Patrick's day or a Korean wearing a kilt. The fact that  none of the people involved have any knowledge about the origin of those cultural symbols or what they mean is immaterial.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: sligo on February 13, 2018, 09:18:01 AM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.


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Do go on...
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: kyndo on February 13, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
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Where's the line between globalization and cultural appropriation?
If a white person wears a Native American hat, it must be disrespectful because 'white supremacy' This does not apply to say a black person wearing a leprechaun hat on St Patrick's day or a Korean wearing a kilt. The fact that  none of the people involved have any knowledge about the origin of those cultural symbols or what they mean is immaterial.
It may also have something to do with an empowered majority population's relationship with the minority in question. I wonder if Ainu people or the Ryukyuans get upset when Yamato Japanese wear their traditional clothes, or eat their traditional foods?
    I imagine that folk are far more complacent about letting buddies play with their culture, and far less so when it's the dude whose great-great-gramps pillaged and burned the family farm.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Andyman on February 13, 2018, 09:32:28 AM
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Where are the line between respect, globalization, and just appropriation? I agree that it involves the respect an individual pays towards the culture they are borrowing from, but how does one easily determine whether a person is being respectful?

This was the original question behind the concept of cultural appropriation, and why the term gained currency in the social sciences. Students aren't actually taught that any instance of cultural borrowing is inherently immoral, and there's very little academic literature that would support that position. The most hysterical opponents of "cultural appropriation" come to that conclusion on their own, often based on a misreading of the whole idea.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 13, 2018, 09:57:43 AM
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It may also have something to do with an empowered majority population's relationship with the minority in question. I wonder if Ainu people or the Ryukyuans get upset when Yamato Japanese wear their traditional clothes, or eat their traditional foods?
    I imagine that folk are far more complacent about letting buddies play with their culture, and far less so when it's the dude whose great-great-gramps pillaged and burned the family farm.

I'd guesstimate that most people around the world either don't give a crap about stuff like this, or are in favor of cultural appropriation. Especially if they're in the cultural export/souvenirs market. Unless they've been told to think otherwise by Western progressives. E.g. Your average Korean would  probably be made up if a Westerner wanted to wear a Western version of a hanbok for Halloween. I'm sure Korean monasteries do pretty well out of white people pretending to be Budhists for the weekend (without having done all the appropriate research)
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 13, 2018, 10:48:19 AM
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=243861&utm_source=dable

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Korea embraces diversity for strong Olympic team

More like "Brittle, Proudly Xenophobic Nation Buys Athletes to Save Face"

Dude, every small-medium sized country out there does this. Singling out Korea for this is ridiculous and just a sign of your own bigoted bias.

To take it to the extreme, Hitler did this when it came to Jesse Owens at the 1936 Olympics. His point being that African-Americans were segregated against in the USA, but they were then trotted out when it came to the Olympics. African-American athletes have made the same point from a different angle- that they're cheered and celebrated by the country when they win, but think that there is systemic racism in the system.

Anyways, the athletes that they invited are in sports that Korea isn't expected to medal in. How is it saving face to bring in foreign athletes to get trounced 8-1 by Slovakia or whoever in ice hockey? Is it that different than getting trounced 12-1? All the sports that Korea is expected to medal in or even have a chance at a medal are with Korean athletes- bobsled (outside chance), skeleton, speed skating, short track, moguls (failed), and mayyybe curling. Your point is great on the critical, but utterly devoid of the thinking and I think you really need to examine your biased attitudes that are causing you to express such unfounded opinions.

Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 13, 2018, 11:20:01 AM
And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.

I rate this post as most important in the thread because I am now aware of a Jamaican Jerk chicken place in Seoul.

If only there was a good Ethiopian place.....

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And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world.

I think that's a rather bold proclamation to make and I'm not sure it would stand up to scrutiny. I know for a fact that there a sizable numbers of the East Asian, South Asian, and Middle-Eastern communities in the United States at least, that would rate African-American racism and treatment towards them as worse than white racism.

Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: sligo on February 13, 2018, 11:27:27 AM
And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.

I rate this post as most important in the thread because I am now aware of a Jamaican Jerk chicken place in Seoul.

If only there was a good Ethiopian place.....

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And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world.

I think that's a rather bold proclamation to make and I'm not sure it would stand up to scrutiny. I know for a fact that there a sizable numbers of the East Asian, South Asian, and Middle-Eastern communities in the United States at least, that would rate African-American racism and treatment towards them as worse than white racism.

You should know!  Did you keep a straight face when you typed that?
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 13, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
You should know!  Did you keep a straight face when you typed that?

Great contribution to the topic, thanks!
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: gogators! on February 13, 2018, 01:45:42 PM
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=243861&utm_source=dable

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Korea embraces diversity for strong Olympic team

More like "Brittle, Proudly Xenophobic Nation Buys Athletes to Save Face"

Dude, every small-medium sized country out there does this. Singling out Korea for this is ridiculous and just a sign of your own bigoted bias.

To take it to the extreme, Hitler did this when it came to Jesse Owens at the 1936 Olympics. His point being that African-Americans were segregated against in the USA, but they were then trotted out when it came to the Olympics. African-American athletes have made the same point from a different angle- that they're cheered and celebrated by the country when they win, but think that there is systemic racism in the system.

Anyways, the athletes that they invited are in sports that Korea isn't expected to medal in. How is it saving face to bring in foreign athletes to get trounced 8-1 by Slovakia or whoever in ice hockey? Is it that different than getting trounced 12-1? All the sports that Korea is expected to medal in or even have a chance at a medal are with Korean athletes- bobsled (outside chance), skeleton, speed skating, short track, moguls (failed), and mayyybe curling. Your point is great on the critical, but utterly devoid of the thinking and I think you really need to examine your biased attitudes that are causing you to express such unfounded opinions.
Those foreign athletes are building blocks for improving those sports programs. They expect to see results down the road.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 13, 2018, 02:23:01 PM
Those foreign athletes are building blocks for improving those sports programs. They expect to see results down the road.

Yup. Now people can agree or disagree whether this is a good thing, but I think it's really unfair to single Korea out for this.

Again, all countries do this. Like I mentioned, I personally know someone who was on the New Zealand Ice Hockey team as a Canadian. Got his citizenship all expedited and everything. Is New Zealand "brittle and proudly Xenophobic"? What about various teams in various sports who invite people of heritage to compete in other countries around the globe, often with the hope of promoting that sport in their country?

Take for example the Israeli World Baseball Classic team which was mostly composed of Americans of Jewish descent. Johnny Damon played for Team USA and then Team Thailand so that he could help them qualify, thereby possibly promoting baseball in Thailand.

Sports in other countries have to start somewhere. I'm sure at one point Team USA Taekwondo had some Korean-born coaches. Now Team USA Taekwondo can stand on its own and the sport has expanded.

I think for MayorHaggar it's not wrong because of any particular objective standard, it's simply wrong because it was Korea doing it.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: MayorHaggar on February 13, 2018, 02:24:17 PM
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=243861&utm_source=dable

Quote
Korea embraces diversity for strong Olympic team

More like "Brittle, Proudly Xenophobic Nation Buys Athletes to Save Face"

Dude, every small-medium sized country out there does this. Singling out Korea for this is ridiculous and just a sign of your own bigoted bias.

To take it to the extreme, Hitler did this when it came to Jesse Owens at the 1936 Olympics. His point being that African-Americans were segregated against in the USA, but they were then trotted out when it came to the Olympics. African-American athletes have made the same point from a different angle- that they're cheered and celebrated by the country when they win, but think that there is systemic racism in the system.

Anyways, the athletes that they invited are in sports that Korea isn't expected to medal in. How is it saving face to bring in foreign athletes to get trounced 8-1 by Slovakia or whoever in ice hockey? Is it that different than getting trounced 12-1? All the sports that Korea is expected to medal in or even have a chance at a medal are with Korean athletes- bobsled (outside chance), skeleton, speed skating, short track, moguls (failed), and mayyybe curling. Your point is great on the critical, but utterly devoid of the thinking and I think you really need to examine your biased attitudes that are causing you to express such unfounded opinions.

It was stupid when Croatia and the UAE and Qatar buy players, and it's stupid when South Korea does it, especially considering all the xenophobia here. "Oh no, we won't serve you any food or beer, you're a foreigner. This is Korea. Oh, you can play hockey? Do you want Korean citizenship?"

I really hope I don't have to remind you of all the times Koreans have raked foreigners over the coals for trying to fit in here, even foreign-born Koreans have been treated like shit here. Meanwhile a Canadian could easily live in New Zealand without any problems, and an American Jew could easily move to Israel and do whatever he/she wanted.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 13, 2018, 03:12:20 PM
It was stupid when Croatia and the UAE and Qatar buy players, and it's stupid when South Korea does it

Is it stupid when TeamUSA hires a Korean-born coach for say, Taekwondo? Is it stupid when they hire Jurgen Klinsmann as their manager? Is it stupid when players obtain EU-passports so they can play for La Liga teams?

Are you really against giving more athletes a chance to compete and promoting sports that are less popular?

Sounds to me like you're just jealous.

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and it's stupid when South Korea does it, especially considering all the xenophobia here. "Oh no, we won't serve you any food or beer, you're a foreigner. This is Korea.

Korea didn't say that. Some asshat of a restaurant owner said that (And 99 others would gladly take your money).

For someone who complains about Trumpers and bigotry, that statement right there is a prime example of bigoted thinking.

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I really hope I don't have to remind you of all the times Koreans have raked foreigners over the coals for trying to fit in here

Okay. Go for it.

And how many times have Koreans tried to make foreigners feel welcome here? I think each of us probably have a bunch of people we know who tried to make us feel welcome and fit in.

And you do realize that what you're saying could apply to any foreigner in any country, right?

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Meanwhile a Canadian could easily live in New Zealand without any problems, and an American Jew could easily move to Israel and do whatever he/she wanted.

Posts in a thread about "cultural appropriation" talks about "without any problems" when it comes to people living as immigrants. :rolleyes: I may think those problems are overblown and stupid, but race is obviously a huge issue back home.

And seriously, A Canadian living in New Zealand? THAT'S your example of tolerance and treatment? I think this SJW stuff is nonsense but even I have to shake my head at how bad that example is. Both former British colonies, both Anglo-heritage, both speak the same language, both look alike. Totally the same as foreigners in Korea!

Me? I think both the SJW stuff back home and the hysterical screams of racism here are way overblown. Let some dumb American wear a sombrero on Cinco de Drinko and let some waygook in Korea rock his Hanbok.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Foreverparadise on February 14, 2018, 12:18:31 AM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.


(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Starz/White%20Chicks/_derived_jpg_q90_410x410_m0/WhiteChicks-PosterArt.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

Do go on...

You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: eggieguffer on February 14, 2018, 05:31:52 AM
Quote
You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

So, it's a blame it on the white guy excuse again? It's getting a bit old.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: sligo on February 14, 2018, 08:34:41 AM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.


(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Starz/White%20Chicks/_derived_jpg_q90_410x410_m0/WhiteChicks-PosterArt.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

Do go on...

You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

Directed by
Keenen Ivory Wayans    
Writing Credits (WGA) 
Keenen Ivory Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Shawn Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Marlon Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Andrew McElfresh    ...    (screenplay) (as Andy McElfresh) &
Michael Anthony Snowden    
...    (screenplay) &
Xavier Cook    ...    (screenplay)
Keenen Ivory Wayans    ...    (story) &
Shawn Wayans    ...    (story) &
Marlon Wayans    ...    (story)

The writers and directors don't sound (or look) very Jewish to me...
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Andyman on February 14, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
I wonder if the producers of Soul Man and White Chicks are living fat on the royalties generated by people checking out the movies every time a partisan warrior used it as an example.

(https://criticalmassesmedia1.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/soul-man-original.jpg)

(http://www.joblo.com/big-movie-images/picwhitechicks3.jpg)
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Foreverparadise on February 14, 2018, 10:16:22 AM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.


(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Starz/White%20Chicks/_derived_jpg_q90_410x410_m0/WhiteChicks-PosterArt.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

Do go on...

You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

Directed by
Keenen Ivory Wayans    
Writing Credits (WGA) 
Keenen Ivory Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Shawn Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Marlon Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Andrew McElfresh    ...    (screenplay) (as Andy McElfresh) &
Michael Anthony Snowden    
...    (screenplay) &
Xavier Cook    ...    (screenplay)
Keenen Ivory Wayans    ...    (story) &
Shawn Wayans    ...    (story) &
Marlon Wayans    ...    (story)

The writers and directors don't sound (or look) very Jewish to me...

But which company distributed the film? Warner Brothers? 20th Century Fox? Paramount? Universal? Colombia Pictures? All these companies are not black owned.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: sligo on February 14, 2018, 10:34:42 AM

What you fail to realise about cultural appropriation is that it was sensationalized and
exploited by the white man to take traditional clothing and even traditional foods from
non-white cultures, and patronize these cultures in a way that makes a mockery of these
cultures to entertain stereotypes of people.

When I was living and working in Korea and I walked out in public wearing my tailored
hanbok, no Korean ever ridiculed me for cultural appropriation. Why? That is because for
one, my hanbok was tailor made for me to wear by a skilled Korean hanbok makers who
have the real cultural knowledge of making hanboks, and second, I only wore my hanbok
on specific occasions, such as going to church during the Chuseok or Seollal holidays. Most
of all I wore my hanbok in a respective manner as a proud black man who acts respectable
towards people as Malcolm X taught.

I am now teaching for a First Nations school board in Canada, and I can assure you that
if I wore a so-called Indian costume here at my school for some event like Halloween, I
would most likely lose my job or get disciplined because these so-called Indian costumes
they sell during Halloween are not even made my Native Canadians, but made by white-owned
companies that mock the First Nations cultures. This goes back to the times when First
Nations children were forced out of their homes into residential schools and were forced
to not speak their languages or practice their cultures, and yet white kids were allowed to
wear First Nations clothing like moccasins just to make a mockery of the First Nations
people. That is an example of what cultural appropriation is. I would even say the same
thing about blackface, yes that was one of the worst forms of cultural appropriation ever
to exist because it a form of entertainment made to dehumanize black people. I would
sure love to be the first person to throw acid on the face of a person who paints his face
black for blackface entertainment.

If anybody wants to claim that the term "cultural appropriation" is "liberal," that is your
choice, but I don't see it as a liberal term, but rather a term to speak out against
immorality. If you want to wear the clothing of a different culture, or cook food from
a different culture, or sing music from a different culture, learn about them. Because
patronizing these cultures without learning about them is making a mockery of them
which is what cultural appropriation is. And besides, only a conservative white man
would complain that the term "cultural appropriation" is a liberal term because too many
conservative white people are so biased that they don't know how to call out racism.
This is why most conservative white people have the highest capability of being racist.

Most conservative white men are racist? Interesting!

Why not just conservative people? Why is the word white in there?

Are Asian and African conservatives exempt from racism?

Definitely a liberal would explain an answer like this. Turning people against each other and pandering for votes.

Would a non-white person wearing a viking costume with bull horns  and white face paint warrant and acid attack too as you put it?

Also you seem to think only white people can culturally appropriate others. Why is this?



Remember folks only white conservatives are evil!

Even Korean conservatives can be just as racist as white conservatives. And yes, I have seen
Koreans and other Asians engage into practices of cultural appropriation, from the mild form
to the most extreme racist ways. But it is no surprise because most Koreans in Korea have no
exposure to people outside their race or culture. And because most Koreans and other Asians
worship white people and things that originate from the West, most Koreans are most likely to
be gullible to follow the trends of cultural appropriation as inspired by the American entertainment
media machine. Not to mention food. I have been to many festivals where they have international
food stands, and the Mexican food stands I have seen there are all run by Koreans, who think they
know what Mexican food is but truly don't know what real Mexican food is. That is cultural appropriation.

And in case you don't know, there is a Jamaican Jerk chicken restaurant in Seoul called Zion Boat.
The owner of this restaurant is Korean. I know him because I ate at his restaurant before I became
a vegetarian. The way he makes his jerk chicken is just the way Jamaicans make it, even though
he integrates it with the styles and flavors of Korean food. Is that cultural appropriation? No. That's
cultural appreciation and cultural exchange.

What you fail to see is that the influences of white supremacy has corrupted society around the
world to the point that even certain people of certain racial groups want to hate themselves for
things like having the darker colour of their skin. And if you read about what I mentioned regarding
the residential schools, that indicates that white supremacy is the cause of cultural appropriation
by taking what is original from another culture and patronizing that other culture by making a
mockery of that culture. That is a product of white supremacy.

And as for Africans, yes there are Africans who are conservative too. But not conservative to the
point of being racist because black people are the least racist people in the world. But that does
not mean to say that Africans are not bigots. If not racial bigots, then religious bigots. A disproportionate
number of Africans are sectarian bigots, mostly those who are Christian. But I have never seen
Africans or black people do cultural appropriation to a high degree as what you will see in Western
countries or in East Asian countries.


(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Starz/White%20Chicks/_derived_jpg_q90_410x410_m0/WhiteChicks-PosterArt.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

Do go on...

You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

Directed by
Keenen Ivory Wayans    
Writing Credits (WGA) 
Keenen Ivory Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Shawn Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Marlon Wayans    ...    (screenplay) &
Andrew McElfresh    ...    (screenplay) (as Andy McElfresh) &
Michael Anthony Snowden    
...    (screenplay) &
Xavier Cook    ...    (screenplay)
Keenen Ivory Wayans    ...    (story) &
Shawn Wayans    ...    (story) &
Marlon Wayans    ...    (story)

The writers and directors don't sound (or look) very Jewish to me...

But which company distributed the film? Warner Brothers? 20th Century Fox? Paramount? Universal? Colombia Pictures? All these companies are not black owned.

You seem to be pedalling the old chestnut:

"Black people can't be racist"

Your argument seems to be that White Chicks was conceived by black people, written by black people, starred black people, and even produced by black people, but as it was distributed by a Jewish owned company, the Jews are to blame for any offence caused.  Did i get that right?

So if I and a bunch of white friends make a film called "Black chicks" and get a Jewish owned company to distribute it, then we are not guilty of any insensitivity?
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 14, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

I don't think you have any standing to dictate who is or is not a "Real Jew".

The idea that there are "real Jews" or "real blacks" or "real Asians" is contemptible crap. People can be who they want to be with their lives and they are under no obligation to satisfy your personal standards of what is "Real". Who the heck are you to judge them on what is "real"?

Now if you want to throw around such terms in a comedic sense where everyone is ripping on each other and it's all in good fine, go ahead. But not in a serious discussion.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: MayorHaggar on February 14, 2018, 10:49:10 AM
It was stupid when Croatia and the UAE and Qatar buy players, and it's stupid when South Korea does it

Is it stupid when TeamUSA hires a Korean-born coach for say, Taekwondo? Is it stupid when they hire Jurgen Klinsmann as their manager? Is it stupid when players obtain EU-passports so they can play for La Liga teams?

Are you really against giving more athletes a chance to compete and promoting sports that are less popular?

Sounds to me like you're just jealous.

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and it's stupid when South Korea does it, especially considering all the xenophobia here. "Oh no, we won't serve you any food or beer, you're a foreigner. This is Korea.

Korea didn't say that. Some asshat of a restaurant owner said that (And 99 others would gladly take your money).

For someone who complains about Trumpers and bigotry, that statement right there is a prime example of bigoted thinking.

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I really hope I don't have to remind you of all the times Koreans have raked foreigners over the coals for trying to fit in here

Okay. Go for it.

And how many times have Koreans tried to make foreigners feel welcome here? I think each of us probably have a bunch of people we know who tried to make us feel welcome and fit in.

And you do realize that what you're saying could apply to any foreigner in any country, right?

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Meanwhile a Canadian could easily live in New Zealand without any problems, and an American Jew could easily move to Israel and do whatever he/she wanted.

Posts in a thread about "cultural appropriation" talks about "without any problems" when it comes to people living as immigrants. :rolleyes: I may think those problems are overblown and stupid, but race is obviously a huge issue back home.

And seriously, A Canadian living in New Zealand? THAT'S your example of tolerance and treatment? I think this SJW stuff is nonsense but even I have to shake my head at how bad that example is. Both former British colonies, both Anglo-heritage, both speak the same language, both look alike. Totally the same as foreigners in Korea!

Me? I think both the SJW stuff back home and the hysterical screams of racism here are way overblown. Let some dumb American wear a sombrero on Cinco de Drinko and let some waygook in Korea rock his Hanbok.

You heard it here first guys, Korean racism is "no big deal."

And it's funny that you would dismiss a Canadian moving to New Zealand easily fitting in when you're the one who brought it up. You've just proven my point that foreigners can move to Western countries and fit in, but they can't in South Korea. Western countries are immigrant countries. Korea is not. So their buying of athletes to save face is, again, laughable. I wouldn't care if they would do something about their rampant nationalistic xenophobia and racism. Yes a lot of Koreans hate it just as much as I do (and apparently way more than you do) but the government does nothing about it while handing out citizenship to foreigner hockey players like candy.

I imagine when the South Korean hockey team doesn't do very well Koreans will turn on them and say it proves that foreigners are bad and can't be trusted, and pretend they never had anything to do with them. Kinda like when the non-foreign soccer players came back from not doing very well at the last World Cup and Koreans protested them at the airport for betraying the obvious fact that Koreans are naturally amazing at soccer. Such is the way of Saving Face.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: CO2 on February 14, 2018, 10:52:47 AM
White chicks is not only a shit movie, but it's racist.

We, the non white girls, dress up as white girls, and then say that white girls do this.

Does the movie offend me? No, I don't give a shit. It's stupid, I've seen some of it. Anyone who knows me knows that my taste is a hell of a lot more discerning than that.

But to pawn it off on the distributor is ridiculous. They have one track; money. They would play Triumph of the Will (and not the Kenny Hotz one) if it sold. This doesn't make them racist, it makes them callous and clinical. Hitler is the racist one! I don't think the Wayans are racist. They're playing with cultural differences and stereotypes. I do that all the time.

But god forbid I make a grape drink joke. Pity all the blacks, their life is shit and I made a joke.

White's have amazing lives! It's okay to joke about them!

These two sentences, believed, display an insane amount of mental illness and inability to live in the real world.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 14, 2018, 11:28:18 AM
You heard it here first guys, Korean racism is "no big deal."

That's not what I said at all.

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And it's funny that you would dismiss a Canadian moving to New Zealand easily fitting in when you're the one who brought it up.

That was brought up in the context of other countries bringing in athletes, not in terms of treatment of immigrants and problems of being a minority.

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You've just proven my point that foreigners can move to Western countries and fit in, but they can't in South Korea.

Your example was someone who is of Anglo stock, moving to another Anglo nation, speaking the same language. That's not even comparable and trying to compare the two examples is ludicrous.

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Western countries are immigrant countries. Korea is not. So their buying of athletes to save face is, again, laughable

What is the objective criteria for your definition of "immigrant country"? Are all western countries "immigrant countries"? Are Canadian-New Zealanders an example of the typical immigrant experience in New Zealand? Incidentally, the person I know is now a Professor of Sports and International Relations and would take strong exception to the view your pushing, especially in it's bigoted undertones.

And again, how is it "saving face"? None of them are brought in for sports Korea is expected to medal in. They've basically been brought in with the hope of promoting the sports they're in domestically by their respective sporting federations.

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I wouldn't care if they would do something about their rampant nationalistic xenophobia and racism.

Hyperbole?

If it's so rampant, shouldn't you be heading home? I mean, if I lived somewhere filled with RAMPANT racism against who I am, I'd leave.

I think your actions speak louder than your words.

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but the government does nothing about it while handing out citizenship to foreigner hockey players like candy

The government does nothing about tackling racism and discrimination? Are you serious? The last school I taught at had a full-fledged multi-cultural program for children of mixed-Korean heritage with the specific goal of making sure they had as many opportunities as other kids, and this was well-funded and was taken very seriously.

Just because you aren't aware of these actions or choose to ignore them, doesn't mean they don't exist. You are not the arbiter of that.

And they didn't hand them out like candy. The athletes were either scouted overseas or they participated in try-outs here. And again, THAT IS THE SAME AS OTHER COUNTRIES!!

You seem to be holding Korea to a standard that you aren't holding any other country to. Furthermore, your standard is not based on any objective criteria, but is rather based on your shifting subjective opinion.

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I imagine when the South Korean hockey team doesn't do very well Koreans will turn on them and say it proves that foreigners are bad and can't be trusted, and pretend they never had anything to do with them.

Care to make a wager?

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Kinda like when the non-foreign soccer players came back from not doing very well at the last World Cup and Koreans protested them at the airport for betraying the obvious fact that Koreans are naturally amazing at soccer. Such is the way of Saving Face.

National soccer team trashed by fans for underwhelming performance. Contrary to waygook.org popular opinion, most Korean have realistic expectations for their team- Try and advance past the group stage. If not, at least put in some good performances.

That could apply to literally every team around the world. It's soccer dude. That's what fans do.

Also, what do you mean non-foreign soccer players?
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Foreverparadise on February 14, 2018, 10:54:57 PM
You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

I don't think you have any standing to dictate who is or is not a "Real Jew".

The idea that there are "real Jews" or "real blacks" or "real Asians" is contemptible crap. People can be who they want to be with their lives and they are under no obligation to satisfy your personal standards of what is "Real". Who the heck are you to judge them on what is "real"?

Now if you want to throw around such terms in a comedic sense where everyone is ripping on each other and it's all in good fine, go ahead. But not in a serious discussion.

Being a Jew is NOT a race, it is a religion, just like being a Muslim or a Christian.

Being black or white are different. Why? Because you cannot change your skin colour.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 15, 2018, 10:29:09 AM
You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

I don't think you have any standing to dictate who is or is not a "Real Jew".

The idea that there are "real Jews" or "real blacks" or "real Asians" is contemptible crap. People can be who they want to be with their lives and they are under no obligation to satisfy your personal standards of what is "Real". Who the heck are you to judge them on what is "real"?

Now if you want to throw around such terms in a comedic sense where everyone is ripping on each other and it's all in good fine, go ahead. But not in a serious discussion.

Being a Jew is NOT a race, it is a religion, just like being a Muslim or a Christian.

Being black or white are different. Why? Because you cannot change your skin colour.
That would explain all the Jews who renounced their faith and Hitler let them carry on.

Same with what anti-Semitic conspiracists do wjen they see a Jewish name. "Oh he's an atheist? Take down the burning cross boys!"
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: gogators! on February 15, 2018, 10:31:12 AM
You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

I don't think you have any standing to dictate who is or is not a "Real Jew".

The idea that there are "real Jews" or "real blacks" or "real Asians" is contemptible crap. People can be who they want to be with their lives and they are under no obligation to satisfy your personal standards of what is "Real". Who the heck are you to judge them on what is "real"?

Now if you want to throw around such terms in a comedic sense where everyone is ripping on each other and it's all in good fine, go ahead. But not in a serious discussion.

Being a Jew is NOT a race, it is a religion, just like being a Muslim or a Christian.

Being black or white are different. Why? Because you cannot change your skin colour.
Who is Michael Jackson?
Correct for $40. The board is yours.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Foreverparadise on February 15, 2018, 09:58:16 PM
You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

I don't think you have any standing to dictate who is or is not a "Real Jew".

The idea that there are "real Jews" or "real blacks" or "real Asians" is contemptible crap. People can be who they want to be with their lives and they are under no obligation to satisfy your personal standards of what is "Real". Who the heck are you to judge them on what is "real"?

Now if you want to throw around such terms in a comedic sense where everyone is ripping on each other and it's all in good fine, go ahead. But not in a serious discussion.

Being a Jew is NOT a race, it is a religion, just like being a Muslim or a Christian.

Being black or white are different. Why? Because you cannot change your skin colour.
Who is Michael Jackson?
Correct for $40. The board is yours.

Don't even go there. Michael Jackson still remained a proud black
man and died a black man.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: sligo on February 15, 2018, 10:04:55 PM
You can blame that on these so-called Jews who run Hollywood and make these films. This is
not an anti-Semetic statement. Real Jews don't deal with that nonsense.

I don't think you have any standing to dictate who is or is not a "Real Jew".

The idea that there are "real Jews" or "real blacks" or "real Asians" is contemptible crap. People can be who they want to be with their lives and they are under no obligation to satisfy your personal standards of what is "Real". Who the heck are you to judge them on what is "real"?

Now if you want to throw around such terms in a comedic sense where everyone is ripping on each other and it's all in good fine, go ahead. But not in a serious discussion.

Being a Jew is NOT a race, it is a religion, just like being a Muslim or a Christian.

Being black or white are different. Why? Because you cannot change your skin colour.
Who is Michael Jackson?
Correct for $40. The board is yours.

Don't even go there. Michael Jackson still remained a proud black
man and died a black man.

Easy tiger! Only his DNA was black when he died!
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: Andyman on February 15, 2018, 10:12:02 PM
I feel a bit lame for even engaging in this branch of the discussion but, for the record, Michael Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo in the early 80s. He also had lupus. Both conditions probably contributed to his lack of self-confidence which clearly fed into a broader mental health problems. I'm not the most brittle cookie in the box, but that's really a bit of a cheap target. If you want to make fun of him for sharing Jesus Juice with kids, go ahead. But diseases? Come on.
Title: Re: Cultural Appropriation is liberal propaganda!
Post by: gogators! on February 15, 2018, 10:44:08 PM
I feel a bit lame for even engaging in this branch of the discussion but, for the record, Michael Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo in the early 80s. He also had lupus. Both conditions probably contributed to his lack of self-confidence which clearly fed into a broader mental health problems. I'm not the most brittle cookie in the box, but that's really a bit of a cheap target. If you want to make fun of him for sharing Jesus Juice with kids, go ahead. But diseases? Come on.
Come on. Not even Quincy Jones bought the skin disease story.

It was his dad that destroyed his self-esteem.