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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #2300 on: November 04, 2016, 02:29:45 PM »
Very bizarre situation, as public school positions usually require no more than 5 weeks of camp per year (2 during one break and 3 weeks during the other).

I take it you don't do camps during the summer?

We have a short but very big summer camp - 3 days, but all schools in the city have to give so many students. ALL the NETs, a handful of Korean teachers, and a few of the big wigs from the education office here have to attend it.
Well, that explains it.

I don't feel sorry for you anymore :/

If I only had 3 days of camp in summer for longer camps in the winter, I would be a happy "camper".

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« Reply #2301 on: November 04, 2016, 02:30:27 PM »
I'm so irritated.
 
Our school gave us a budget of 400,000 for the year. We spent about 200,000 for summer camp. We have a Golden Bell competition in a few weeks, and we were picking out prizes for that and it came to a total of 80,000, leaving us with 120,000 for winter camp. That's fine with me, because we have a new school rule that we can't do anything with food anymore, which is where most of our summer camp money went.

120,000 will be more than enough for winter, but no "they" (administration? VP? I have no idea.) said that we cannot buy prizes for Golden Bell, because they're worried we won't have enough money for winter camp. Why do they get to decide?? It's our budget money; shouldn't we get a say in where we use it? I don't need 200,000 for winter camp and no prizes for Golden Bell is ridiculous. So we just what, clap for the winners? BORING. I want to give them a prize. But no. "They" say we have to save that money for  camp. But I don't need it for camp arrrgghhh.

And my co (who is afraid of everyone and everything) refuses to stand up to them on this, even though she agrees with me.
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« Reply #2302 on: November 04, 2016, 02:33:47 PM »
Very bizarre situation, as public school positions usually require no more than 5 weeks of camp per year (2 during one break and 3 weeks during the other).

I take it you don't do camps during the summer?

We have a short but very big summer camp - 3 days, but all schools in the city have to give so many students. ALL the NETs, a handful of Korean teachers, and a few of the big wigs from the education office here have to attend it.
Well, that explains it.

I don't feel sorry for you anymore :/

If I only had 3 days of camp in summer for longer camps in the winter, I would be a happy "camper".

Our summer camp was 3 days of 9am - 10pm though >.< Though, the students got to finish at 9pm; and the teachers had to assemble at 7 - 8am. I'm not a morning person too. >.< We also had to travel to a different city together by bus.

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« Reply #2303 on: November 04, 2016, 02:39:59 PM »
And my co (who is afraid of everyone and everything) refuses to stand up to them on this, even though she agrees with me.

I hate this. When the Gyeonggi province was going to erase Microsoft from every computer, I told my co-teacher about it and she couldn't believe it. I asked her if she could talk to the Head Teacher, or the Principal, or someone in the Ministry of Education about how negatively this would impact our day to day life at school and the quality of the education.

"What can I do? They are above me!"  :huh:

Yeah, I get it. I'm not telling you to kick the door of their office in and start asking them what the f is wrong with them. More along the lines of a talk or an email indicating the repercussions for the students if this decision is enacted. Calm, well thought out reasoning with a cool temper and empathy.

But no, the hoobae, seonbae system is the only was anyone can communicate.

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 :-* "I am honoured, Sir. Please eat lots of cheonggukjang and kimchi tonight at dinner, for I relish every morsel of your bowel movement."
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« Reply #2304 on: November 04, 2016, 02:40:15 PM »
Then you would be receiving overtime pay for anything over 8 hours in a day, plus more for more than 22 classes within your 3 day "week".

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« Reply #2305 on: November 04, 2016, 02:41:16 PM »
I'm so irritated.
 
Our school gave us a budget of 400,000 for the year. We spent about 200,000 for summer camp. We have a Golden Bell competition in a few weeks, and we were picking out prizes for that and it came to a total of 80,000, leaving us with 120,000 for winter camp. That's fine with me, because we have a new school rule that we can't do anything with food anymore, which is where most of our summer camp money went.

120,000 will be more than enough for winter, but no "they" (administration? VP? I have no idea.) said that we cannot buy prizes for Golden Bell, because they're worried we won't have enough money for winter camp. Why do they get to decide?? It's our budget money; shouldn't we get a say in where we use it? I don't need 200,000 for winter camp and no prizes for Golden Bell is ridiculous. So we just what, clap for the winners? BORING. I want to give them a prize. But no. "They" say we have to save that money for  camp. But I don't need it for camp arrrgghhh.

And my co (who is afraid of everyone and everything) refuses to stand up to them on this, even though she agrees with me.

I don't know, I did Golden Bell for four years at my previous school, and we never had prizes beyond a certificate of place for the finalists. I kind of agree with your school on this. Depending on how many students you have for camp, the prizes and stuff for that can get pretty expensive. I've always used about 250,000-300,000 for my winter camps in the past.

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« Reply #2306 on: November 04, 2016, 02:48:08 PM »
I don't know, I did Golden Bell for four years at my previous school, and we never had prizes beyond a certificate of place for the finalists. I kind of agree with your school on this. Depending on how many students you have for camp, the prizes and stuff for that can get pretty expensive. I've always used about 250,000-300,000 for my winter camps in the past.
I'll have 40 students for camp. I already know what I'm doing for camp and what supplies I need. We do lots of crafts and we already have the materials for that. I don't give out prizes in camp so that costs nothing. What on earth are you buying with all that money?  If they don't change their mind on this I'm going to buy prizes myself, because a certificate is the most boring thing ever.

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« Reply #2307 on: November 04, 2016, 02:49:23 PM »
Man, all this talk of camp budgets, and my summer camp had no budget. zero. nada. nothing. We just came in each morning with our smiling faces and occasionally some paper.

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« Reply #2308 on: November 04, 2016, 03:10:24 PM »
I don't know, I did Golden Bell for four years at my previous school, and we never had prizes beyond a certificate of place for the finalists. I kind of agree with your school on this. Depending on how many students you have for camp, the prizes and stuff for that can get pretty expensive. I've always used about 250,000-300,000 for my winter camps in the past.
I'll have 40 students for camp. I already know what I'm doing for camp and what supplies I need. We do lots of crafts and we already have the materials for that. I don't give out prizes in camp so that costs nothing. What on earth are you buying with all that money?  If they don't change their mind on this I'm going to buy prizes myself, because a certificate is the most boring thing ever.

Yes - a certificate saying you did really well in a competition against your peers is certainly a lot more boring than an eraser.

Maybe your students are different. Mine were all generally affluent and high level, and they enjoyed proof that they placed higher than their classmates more than they would have an eraser or pencil or something. Plus, giving prizes can also open up a can of worms regarding favouritism, and potentially more students (or parents) complaining that the contest wasn't fair.

As for camps, those students are generally lower-income, and lower level, and may never have a chance to show off in an English competition. So, they can actually sometimes have some tangible benefit to receiving a care package at the end of camp with some stationery, a cute pencil case, a file folder, some notepads, along with all their creations from camp.

Different schools, different teachers - we're different and it's cool. For me, I always needed the budget for art supplies for students, as well as my school requiring all students get a fresh bread and milk every day during camp, so that ate up a lot of budget, too.

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« Reply #2309 on: November 04, 2016, 03:12:34 PM »
Then you would be receiving overtime pay for anything over 8 hours in a day, plus more for more than 22 classes within your 3 day "week".

Nice.

The bonus was very small, because "we are paying for your food / place to stay during camp." Also, I couldn't eat the food provided due to dietary restrictions, so I used most of my "bonus" to buy cookies + other junk food, as we weren't allowed to leave the building we were using for camp, and the only place for food inside the building, only sold junk food like: ice creams, cookies, and chocolate.

I also forgot I had to do 2 weeks of Elementary summer camp after the 3day one, as I had just started at the elementary like a week or 2 before the city one. - This was just for grade 5, as the grade 6s had to go to the city one. My co-teacher done most of the planning, since the city one was considered more important.

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« Reply #2310 on: November 04, 2016, 03:14:33 PM »
Man, all this talk of camp budgets, and my summer camp had no budget. zero. nada. nothing. We just came in each morning with our smiling faces and occasionally some paper.

I mean you probably did have a budget for camp. It just never made it to the camp. And you never heard of it. And somebody, somewhere, got a new whiteboard in their classroom or something.

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« Reply #2311 on: November 04, 2016, 03:18:20 PM »
Man, all this talk of camp budgets, and my summer camp had no budget. zero. nada. nothing. We just came in each morning with our smiling faces and occasionally some paper.

I mean you probably did have a budget for camp. It just never made it to the camp. And you never heard of it. And somebody, somewhere, got a new whiteboard in their classroom or something.

I asked about it multiple times and was told no budget. I've been told by cots that our school is poor so... \_(ツ)_/

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« Reply #2312 on: November 04, 2016, 03:26:41 PM »
Man, all this talk of camp budgets, and my summer camp had no budget. zero. nada. nothing. We just came in each morning with our smiling faces and occasionally some paper.

I mean you probably did have a budget for camp. It just never made it to the camp. And you never heard of it. And somebody, somewhere, got a new whiteboard in their classroom or something.

I asked about it multiple times and was told no budget. I've been told by cots that our school is poor so... \_(ツ)_/
Yeah, it could honestly go either way. I was told that one school had a budget of 100,000 for each camp but for my second school, there was no budget. And yet later I was told we needed to purchase English moves and books (that were never used) to use up the English budget. But some schools genuinely just don't have any allotment at all.

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« Reply #2313 on: November 04, 2016, 03:33:38 PM »
Man, all this talk of camp budgets, and my summer camp had no budget. zero. nada. nothing. We just came in each morning with our smiling faces and occasionally some paper.

I mean you probably did have a budget for camp. It just never made it to the camp. And you never heard of it. And somebody, somewhere, got a new whiteboard in their classroom or something.

I asked about it multiple times and was told no budget. I've been told by cots that our school is poor so... \_(ツ)_/
Yeah, it could honestly go either way. I was told that one school had a budget of 100,000 for each camp but for my second school, there was no budget. And yet later I was told we needed to purchase English moves and books (that were never used) to use up the English budget. But some schools genuinely just don't have any allotment at all.

Yeah. And actually, every public school, regardless of how poor, has some budget for every subject, yearly. It's just a matter of whether it gets used for that subject, or not. It's not always the most transparent thing.

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« Reply #2314 on: November 04, 2016, 03:38:41 PM »
Rumor has it, it's still not entirely uncommon for school budgets to 'disappear.' A school I worked at a few years ago, I'd heard they had a 6Mwon budget for a new English lab and about half that actually got spent. The rest? *poof* up in smoke.

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« Reply #2315 on: November 04, 2016, 03:40:32 PM »
Man, all this talk of camp budgets, and my summer camp had no budget. zero. nada. nothing. We just came in each morning with our smiling faces and occasionally some paper.

I mean you probably did have a budget for camp. It just never made it to the camp. And you never heard of it. And somebody, somewhere, got a new whiteboard in their classroom or something.

I asked about it multiple times and was told no budget. I've been told by cots that our school is poor so... \_(ツ)_/
Yeah, it could honestly go either way. I was told that one school had a budget of 100,000 for each camp but for my second school, there was no budget. And yet later I was told we needed to purchase English moves and books (that were never used) to use up the English budget. But some schools genuinely just don't have any allotment at all.

Yeah. And actually, every public school, regardless of how poor, has some budget for every subject, yearly. It's just a matter of whether it gets used for that subject, or not. It's not always the most transparent thing.

the amount of money that gets spent on certain stuff in public schools just seems insane. take this case: at my school the 4th graders are making kites for some subject. i asked about this when i saw all the materials in the classrooms. on top of the materials was the receipt - 350,000 Won. per class. multiplied by 10 classes in that grade is 3.5 million damn Won. to make kites that will probably take 1 period to make, will be used once and then thrown away.

and then you'll get told there's no budget for english camp to buy like ONE tiny thing you need .....

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« Reply #2316 on: November 04, 2016, 04:15:47 PM »
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And actually, every public school, regardless of how poor, has some budget for every subject, yearly. It's just a matter of whether it gets used for that subject, or not. It's not always the most transparent thing.

Schools from more impoverished areas / rural schools actually get more funding (because of a government effort to help students who come from disadvantaged backgrounds).

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« Reply #2317 on: November 04, 2016, 04:47:02 PM »
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And actually, every public school, regardless of how poor, has some budget for every subject, yearly. It's just a matter of whether it gets used for that subject, or not. It's not always the most transparent thing.

Schools from more impoverished areas / rural schools actually get more funding (because of a government effort to help students who come from disadvantaged backgrounds).

How that money gets used is an entirely different matter. I'm very rural and my main school got special funding this year from the gov't: around 10,000,000W. We have less than 20 students in the entire school. The catch? The money could only be used for field trips. And all of it had to be used. Hence why there were so many field trips this year. My coT said it was a bit of a burden to try and figure out how to utilize all of it and she lamented that there are bigger city schools where students have nearly nothing. A much lesser amount would still have allowed for field trips for our kids while the rest may have benefited students elsewhere.

And yet there is no definite budget set aside for camps or even just for minor supplies for regular English class. My first camp there was zero budget so I let students use my personal theatre makeup supplies. My coT fretted a lot over this and of her own volition she went to the principal and basically insisted that future camps needed some kind of budget. The following camp we had a decent budget, which was great.

Now for the upcoming camp, I've been asking my coT if there's a budget and she explained to me that if we need some supplies, to just let her know and they'll shift funds around from other places. Which leads me to think that the school budget is a bit amorphous.

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« Reply #2318 on: November 04, 2016, 05:25:18 PM »
Today at school

Grade 3 kids keep and use box cutters in their pencil cases

One of those kids somehow (I will never know how)  cuts his finger on a... whiteboard (????)

Deemed necessary that he has to go to the hospital (I've never seen such a pathetic cut)

Doc deems it necessary to give him a single stitch (impressive)

Complete outrage and my English class is deemed dangerous and unsafe. Now an assistant teacher has to be present every time I teach that class to prevent.... future...... whiteboard (??)...... accidents.

Yes, let's make it seem like it's the native teacher's fault, not your mental hyperactive kid

At least it's Friday. Get me a drink...

(anyone else got any ridiculous similar stories?)

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« Reply #2319 on: November 04, 2016, 06:31:28 PM »
I confiscate/don't permit box cutters.

Resource room has child-safe scissors, besides, box cutters scratch the desks.