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« Reply #7540 on: February 21, 2018, 01:29:22 PM »
if at the time that you signed, they told you that you would be literally the only teacher in the school while all the other teachers were off on vacation - despite the fact that there is actually a category on NEIS allowing you to 'work from home' - would you still have signed the contract?

Am I required to attend staff meetings? Do I have to have a teaching certificate? Do I have to pay union dues? Am I part of a collective bargaining agreement?

No? Then why would I give crap. That's like a security guard complaining that they have to come in while the office workers are gone. You're hired for different purposes under different terms. As an outside contract worker they have different procedures for hiring you. The terms of our contract are X number of hours per day. X days per term. Whether someone else is there or not is irrelevant.

It takes a lot for me to start comparing myself to others and whining about how things are unequal. In most cases, they usually aren't and the person whining and moaning isn't considering the entire picture and has an inaccurate view of themselves and who they are. You obviously ask questions and make sure you don't get screwed over, but I'm not about to inadvertently narc someone out for getting a few days at home instead of deskwarming, just because I'm jealous. I'm smarter than that and I have people's back.

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if they told you that the Korean contract English teachers, who do exactly the same job as you - but at a worse level of performance than you, and who are often less qualified than you - get double the amount of 조튀, double the amount of sick leave, and double the amount of vacation - would you still have signed the contract?

Do they get a rent stipend/furnished apartment? Are they under the same salary system? Do they have to attend staff meetings?

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and things like the above are exactly the reason why most people choose to 'nope' out of there after 1-2 years. schools here just have a way of destroying any goodwill the NET might have towards them when they first start out. the entire concept of positive reinforcement just seems to have completely passed south korea by.

Sounds to me like you have a pretty selfish and incomplete view of things. The fact that you can only see things in one direction is probably why you've had such a negative experience. It's not my fault that when you made this argument you didn't even stop to consider the obligations they have which you do not. Sounds like more than a few concepts passed you by as well.
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« Reply #7541 on: February 21, 2018, 01:36:11 PM »
The fact that you can only see things in one direction

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Classic pot Martin calling Kettle black again

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« Reply #7542 on: February 21, 2018, 01:38:23 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Classic pot Martin calling Kettle black again

Whatever, I know their view and I've had the same thoughts myself at one point in my life. Took a few years away from Koreans and some maturing in my own life to get a more balanced perspective on things.

I used to be a lot more on the worker's view of things. Then one day I was made general manager. Then everything changed.

I used to think cops were pigs. Then one day I was put on the closing shift and carried out the cash deposit.

Things change. Your view expands.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7543 on: February 21, 2018, 01:49:08 PM »
Steels has totally derailed the ranting thread.

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« Reply #7544 on: February 21, 2018, 01:57:12 PM »
Steelrails.

My co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill.

You've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row.  They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation.

My take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh,  Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."


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« Reply #7545 on: February 21, 2018, 02:35:45 PM »
this is hilarious. demartino is obviously at school, deskwarming, bored out of his mind, which is why he's able to write entire essays about how we should be licking the salty ajeosshi balls of our amazing korean overlords for blessing us with the opportunity of teaching rude, spoiled, entitled kids that don't give a crap, with coteachers who actively try to sabotage us, at schools that actively try to make our lives as difficult as possible every step of the way.

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« Reply #7546 on: February 21, 2018, 03:46:17 PM »
My co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill.

Are you entitled not to come in on those days? No. So why do you have the expectation that they should do this for you?

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You've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row.  They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation.

Yes, other schools are willing to accept the risk. That is to be appreciated, not expected.

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My take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh,  Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."

Lots of Koreans have spent time abroad.

Now, if it's your allotted vacation time in your contract, you have every right to it. If it's not, you don't. It's really that simple. Be happy you aren't teaching camp. You could have a total ass of a principal who would make sure you had something to do during those 4 days.

Clearly you've never worked a job in your life where your boss made sure you were working every minute of your shift.

So speaking of ignorance of situations, you obviously have been lucky enough not to work such jobs. If you had, you would kick up your heels at the thought of getting paid money to sit around and do nothing.

Like seriously, can you imagine complaining about that to somebody working some job where they have to do constant back breaking labor for hourly pay? People around the world would kill to have a job where they sat at a desk watching Netflix and made decent money.

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« Reply #7547 on: February 21, 2018, 03:48:56 PM »
this is hilarious. demartino is obviously at school, deskwarming, bored out of his mind, which is why he's able to write entire essays about how we should be licking the salty ajeosshi balls of our amazing korean overlords for blessing us with the opportunity of teaching rude, spoiled, entitled kids that don't give a crap, with coteachers who actively try to sabotage us, at schools that actively try to make our lives as difficult as possible every step of the way.

Not at school. I don't teach at schools anymore. Moved on up.  8)

Calls kids rude, spoiled, entitled. Complains about having to follow his contract and come in and watch Netflix for 8 hours a day as part of his pay.


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« Reply #7548 on: February 22, 2018, 08:56:17 AM »
My co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill.

Are you entitled not to come in on those days? No. So why do you have the expectation that they should do this for you?

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You've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row.  They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation.

Yes, other schools are willing to accept the risk. That is to be appreciated, not expected.

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My take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh,  Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."

Lots of Koreans have spent time abroad.

Now, if it's your allotted vacation time in your contract, you have every right to it. If it's not, you don't. It's really that simple. Be happy you aren't teaching camp. You could have a total ass of a principal who would make sure you had something to do during those 4 days.

Clearly you've never worked a job in your life where your boss made sure you were working every minute of your shift.

So speaking of ignorance of situations, you obviously have been lucky enough not to work such jobs. If you had, you would kick up your heels at the thought of getting paid money to sit around and do nothing.

Like seriously, can you imagine complaining about that to somebody working some job where they have to do constant back breaking labor for hourly pay? People around the world would kill to have a job where they sat at a desk watching Netflix and made decent money.

What's the fascination with doing back breaking work? Are we labourers now?

FYI, I took a year off from study to pick fruit, work in a factory and do all manner of hard shit to fund my travels abroad. Man, who do you think you're talking to here? Some brat who's never done a thing in his life?

As usual, you're playing the devil's advocate. I won't be drawn into it. There is no justification for dragging someone from abroad back to Korea to desk warm for 4 days and then release the NET for another 10 days.

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« Reply #7549 on: February 22, 2018, 10:14:39 AM »
I took a cab to work today because I had a bunch of materials that I needed to take with me.

Got to school, paid the fare... then realized I hadn't brought ANY of my shit with me. #DUMBASS#STUPIDSHIT#FAILTARD

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« Reply #7550 on: February 22, 2018, 10:35:42 AM »
I took a cab to work today because I had a bunch of materials that I needed to take with me.

Got to school, paid the fare... then realized I hadn't brought ANY of my shit with me. #DUMBASS#STUPIDSHIT#FAILTARD

Do you mean you left the materials in the cab, or left them at home?

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« Reply #7551 on: February 22, 2018, 10:45:51 AM »
I took a cab to work today because I had a bunch of materials that I needed to take with me.

Got to school, paid the fare... then realized I hadn't brought ANY of my shit with me. #DUMBASS#STUPIDSHIT#FAILTARD

Do you mean you left the materials in the cab, or left them at home?

Left at home.

I stepped out, checked to make sure my door was locked, then was all like, "Okay, now to call a cab so that I can get my stuff to school."

Did not occur to me that I wasn't holding anything.  :cry:

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« Reply #7552 on: February 22, 2018, 10:49:41 AM »
My co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill.

Are you entitled not to come in on those days? No. So why do you have the expectation that they should do this for you?

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You've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row.  They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation.

Yes, other schools are willing to accept the risk. That is to be appreciated, not expected.

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My take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh,  Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."

Lots of Koreans have spent time abroad.

Now, if it's your allotted vacation time in your contract, you have every right to it. If it's not, you don't. It's really that simple. Be happy you aren't teaching camp. You could have a total ass of a principal who would make sure you had something to do during those 4 days.

Clearly you've never worked a job in your life where your boss made sure you were working every minute of your shift.

So speaking of ignorance of situations, you obviously have been lucky enough not to work such jobs. If you had, you would kick up your heels at the thought of getting paid money to sit around and do nothing.

Like seriously, can you imagine complaining about that to somebody working some job where they have to do constant back breaking labor for hourly pay? People around the world would kill to have a job where they sat at a desk watching Netflix and made decent money.

What's the fascination with doing back breaking work? Are we labourers now?

FYI, I took a year off from study to pick fruit, work in a factory and do all manner of hard shit to fund my travels abroad. Man, who do you think you're talking to here? Some brat who's never done a thing in his life?

As usual, you're playing the devil's advocate. I won't be drawn into it. There is no justification for dragging someone from abroad back to Korea to desk warm for 4 days and then release the NET for another 10 days.

You're not the one in charge. You are only looking at things through your own SELFISH lens.

Look at it from your bosses perspective- If he does this favor for you, then he has to do it for everyone. And if he goes lax on people in this xase, what about other cases? What if something happens to you? He will have to pay as well. Are you going to make things right for him if something happens? The boss has dozens of staff with varying egos, personalities, and demands. He has to balance those.

Bottom line: Stop looking at this through your own selfish perspective.

YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT. STOP BEING MAD BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE APPRECIATED, NOT EXPECTED.

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« Reply #7553 on: February 22, 2018, 10:56:45 AM »
I took a cab to work today because I had a bunch of materials that I needed to take with me.

Got to school, paid the fare... then realized I hadn't brought ANY of my shit with me. #DUMBASS#STUPIDSHIT#FAILTARD

Do you mean you left the materials in the cab, or left them at home?

Left at home.

I stepped out, checked to make sure my door was locked, then was all like, "Okay, now to call a cab so that I can get my stuff to school."

Did not occur to me that I wasn't holding anything.  :cry:

I say, view it as a "treat yo-self" day treat. That way, it feels less frustrating and annoying.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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« Reply #7554 on: February 22, 2018, 11:02:52 AM »
Left at home.

I stepped out, checked to make sure my door was locked, then was all like, "Okay, now to call a cab so that I can get my stuff to school."

Did not occur to me that I wasn't holding anything.  :cry:

I say, view it as a "treat yo-self" day treat. That way, it feels less frustrating and annoying.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I bought some cake from a nearby bakery to make myself feel better. xD

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« Reply #7555 on: February 22, 2018, 02:48:56 PM »
My co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill.

Are you entitled not to come in on those days? No. So why do you have the expectation that they should do this for you?

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You've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row.  They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation.

Yes, other schools are willing to accept the risk. That is to be appreciated, not expected.

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My take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh,  Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."

Lots of Koreans have spent time abroad.

Now, if it's your allotted vacation time in your contract, you have every right to it. If it's not, you don't. It's really that simple. Be happy you aren't teaching camp. You could have a total ass of a principal who would make sure you had something to do during those 4 days.

Clearly you've never worked a job in your life where your boss made sure you were working every minute of your shift.

So speaking of ignorance of situations, you obviously have been lucky enough not to work such jobs. If you had, you would kick up your heels at the thought of getting paid money to sit around and do nothing.

Like seriously, can you imagine complaining about that to somebody working some job where they have to do constant back breaking labor for hourly pay? People around the world would kill to have a job where they sat at a desk watching Netflix and made decent money.

What's the fascination with doing back breaking work? Are we labourers now?

FYI, I took a year off from study to pick fruit, work in a factory and do all manner of hard shit to fund my travels abroad. Man, who do you think you're talking to here? Some brat who's never done a thing in his life?

As usual, you're playing the devil's advocate. I won't be drawn into it. There is no justification for dragging someone from abroad back to Korea to desk warm for 4 days and then release the NET for another 10 days.

You're not the one in charge. You are only looking at things through your own SELFISH lens.

Look at it from your bosses perspective- If he does this favor for you, then he has to do it for everyone. And if he goes lax on people in this xase, what about other cases? What if something happens to you? He will have to pay as well. Are you going to make things right for him if something happens? The boss has dozens of staff with varying egos, personalities, and demands. He has to balance those.

Bottom line: Stop looking at this through your own selfish perspective.

YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT. STOP BEING MAD BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE APPRECIATED, NOT EXPECTED.

Nice try. I won't be drawn in. It's bullshit to any sane person. Other schools allow the full 24 days off, that is, the school's with sane VPs.

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« Reply #7556 on: February 22, 2018, 03:05:36 PM »
yeah, it amazes me how much power principals have in korea. there seems to be no office of standards dept (or whatever it's called), and they can literally do anything they want without repercussion.


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« Reply #7557 on: February 22, 2018, 03:10:28 PM »
Nice try. I won't be drawn in. It's bullshit to any sane person. Other schools allow the full 24 days off, that is, the school's with sane VPs.

Those VPs are willing to assume the risk and might have different relationships with you and different histories with previous teachers and different factors to consider.

You aren't even aware of the factors that went into this decision, yet you're judging your VP for the decision they made.

Again, STOP BEING SELFISH.

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« Reply #7558 on: February 22, 2018, 03:25:49 PM »
yeah, it amazes me how much power principals have in korea. there seems to be no office of standards dept (or whatever it's called), and they can literally do anything they want without repercussion.

In December 2014, I got married in Korea.  My family wanted to have a celebration around Christmas time back in England.  My school said it was ok to take the honeymoon and have an extra week off at the end of December, and to enjoy myself with my family.  My wife's principal said 'No!' as he said she has to take it the week after the wedding, with no exception.  No amount of conversation from senior teachers at that school made him budge.  So we had to cancel any form of celebration because of him.  What made things worse were that two other female teachers asked for a similar thing moving their honeymoon which he was fine with.  A coont of the highest order. 

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« Reply #7559 on: February 22, 2018, 03:44:02 PM »
Nice try. I won't be drawn in. It's bullshit to any sane person. Other schools allow the full 24 days off, that is, the school's with sane VPs.

Those VPs are willing to assume the risk and might have different relationships with you and different histories with previous teachers and different factors to consider.

You aren't even aware of the factors that went into this decision, yet you're judging your VP for the decision they made.

Again, STOP BEING SELFISH.

Those VPs care nothing but their own position. They don't give a sh!t about anything or anyone else. They just do what they need to do, to cling to their power in their nice cushy position.

 



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