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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7480 on: November 08, 2017, 07:58:12 AM »
Lacking-common-sense-and-social-etiquette-Koreans asking you 10 minutes into your first conversation "Korea is more better than your country right?"

I told him you must be crazy and turned away. My patience is GONE.

I will attach these pictures to every situation I encounter that relates.

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« Reply #7481 on: November 08, 2017, 08:35:56 AM »
CoT: What days do you want for vacation?
Me: Not 100% sure yet.
CoT: Well we need to put them in by the end of the day. Sorry I didn't tell you before.

Guess I will just randomly pick and then work around that.  :cry:

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« Reply #7482 on: November 08, 2017, 08:39:55 AM »
CoT: What days do you want for vacation?
Me: Not 100% sure yet.
CoT: Well we need to put them in by the end of the day. Sorry I didn't tell you before.

Guess I will just randomly pick and then work around that.  :cry:

And I have the complete opposite. No camp dates finalised and no one can tell me when I can take vacation..... and I need to pay for air tickets now otherwise it is just going to be too expensive to go home.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7483 on: November 08, 2017, 08:48:31 AM »
CoT: What days do you want for vacation?
Me: Not 100% sure yet.
CoT: Well we need to put them in by the end of the day. Sorry I didn't tell you before.

Guess I will just randomly pick and then work around that.  :cry:

And I have the complete opposite. No camp dates finalised and no one can tell me when I can take vacation..... and I need to pay for air tickets now otherwise it is just going to be too expensive to go home.

Yeah, this is awlays my problem. I wanna book a flight to Bali, yo! NOW, finalise those goddamn dates.

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« Reply #7484 on: November 08, 2017, 09:23:07 AM »
I take it you guys don't work at public schools.

If you did, the yearly calendar would have been mapped out long ago.

I had one school a few years ago that made crazy changes to the school calendar, but that was unusual.

I feel your pain, as the cost between booking now or later is no small sum.

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« Reply #7485 on: November 08, 2017, 10:03:04 AM »
I take it you guys don't work at public schools.

If you did, the yearly calendar would have been mapped out long ago.

I had one school a few years ago that made crazy changes to the school calendar, but that was unusual.

I feel your pain, as the cost between booking now or later is no small sum.

Come on Pecan, you know that camps are never written into the yearly calendar.  The calendar just shows a month/five weeks off for January; nothing more than that.


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« Reply #7486 on: November 08, 2017, 10:08:28 AM »
That used to be the case, no doubt.

Our calendars that were printed last March show the dates for everything, including the camps.

Due to the 1/1 holiday falling on a Monday, camps can't start until Tuesday, which means they end on Monday, which is  a loss of the bookends of Saturday/Sunday...

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« Reply #7487 on: November 08, 2017, 10:10:59 AM »
I take it you guys don't work at public schools.

If you did, the yearly calendar would have been mapped out long ago.

I had one school a few years ago that made crazy changes to the school calendar, but that was unusual.

I feel your pain, as the cost between booking now or later is no small sum.

Public school here, with my school calendar for all three schools, and no, none of the camp times are set, never in all my years here have my camp dates been pre-set for the year.  I also have to wait for all three schools to argue/lay claim to/demand my time for the camps they want when they want them so that causes a delay.
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« Reply #7488 on: November 08, 2017, 10:17:09 AM »
most of pecan's posts seem to revolve around the idea that "well, it hasn't happened to me, so therefore it can't have happened to anyone else, either"

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« Reply #7489 on: November 08, 2017, 10:55:56 AM »
I take it you guys don't work at public schools.

If you did, the yearly calendar would have been mapped out long ago.

I had one school a few years ago that made crazy changes to the school calendar, but that was unusual.

I feel your pain, as the cost between booking now or later is no small sum.
I'm still waiting for my camp dates, too.  My school likes to keep me in suspense.  Everything is always so last-minute. 
Public school here, with my school calendar for all three schools, and no, none of the camp times are set, never in all my years here have my camp dates been pre-set for the year.  I also have to wait for all three schools to argue/lay claim to/demand my time for the camps they want when they want them so that causes a delay.

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« Reply #7490 on: November 08, 2017, 11:22:55 AM »
I take it you guys don't work at public schools.

If you did, the yearly calendar would have been mapped out long ago.

I had one school a few years ago that made crazy changes to the school calendar, but that was unusual.

I feel your pain, as the cost between booking now or later is no small sum.

Come on Pecan, you know that camps are never written into the yearly calendar.  The calendar just shows a month/five weeks off for January; nothing more than that.

I think your school is the exception not the rule Pecan. This is one of the top complaints people have about camps.

I've worked at 7 schools now and none of them plan the exact camp dates at the start of the year. They usually wait until they have to, usually around a month or so.

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« Reply #7491 on: November 08, 2017, 12:41:02 PM »
I take it you guys don't work at public schools.

If you did, the yearly calendar would have been mapped out long ago.

I had one school a few years ago that made crazy changes to the school calendar, but that was unusual.

I feel your pain, as the cost between booking now or later is no small sum.

Come on Pecan, you know that camps are never written into the yearly calendar.  The calendar just shows a month/five weeks off for January; nothing more than that.

I think your school is the exception not the rule Pecan. This is one of the top complaints people have about camps.

I've worked at 7 schools now and none of them plan the exact camp dates at the start of the year. They usually wait until they have to, usually around a month or so.

I can piggy back onto this that, every time I have asked about camps early in the year, the answer is always, "we don't know yet." Usually I'm able to give them my preferred vacation dates and they happily work around that, when scheduling the camps. But they have never been on the calendar and never planned more than 2 months in advance.
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« Reply #7492 on: November 08, 2017, 12:57:02 PM »
Yeah, my current schools never seem to "know" about camp dates until right around a month before. But I can usually tell them when I want to take my vacation and they'll work with me on that.

I have friends who work or have worked for schools that have tried to keep them in the dark for as long as possible, though, sometimes because the schools didn't/don't have their shit together, but sometimes because someone higher-up decided the NET needed to be fucked with as much as possible. Because hierarchy.

This year they've altered the EPIK contracts to explicitly state: "If any requested vacation period interferes with the smooth operation of the programming of the school or institute, the Employer and the Employee shall negotiate an alternative vacation date(s) so that the requested vacation period does not interfere with the school schedule."

This must have come about because of so many EPIK teachers digging their heels in and refusing to allow their schools to break up their vacation dates (something that is completely avoidable in most cases as long as the schools create camp schedules that actually make sense with the rest of the school year). Seriously, proper management and scheduling is the solution here. Rather than creating addendums in contracts to imply that schools are allowed to be flaky, they really need to require schools to create practical camp schedules well in advance in order to avoid this kind of problem in the first place. NETs taking their vacations doesn't interrupt the "smooth operation" of a school. Piss-poor planning and a lack of consideration does.

Luckily, it's still easy enough to argue around. There's a lot that can be said about what does and does not interrupt a school's "smooth operation" at a negotiating table.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7493 on: November 09, 2017, 03:29:17 PM »
What a nightmare. Imagine getting busted by the Vice Squad. Holy shit.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7494 on: November 11, 2017, 12:19:58 PM »
So, I was working at a hagwon a couple of months ago. It seemed decent, I had some issues, but overall manageable. I was thinking it a low risk and considered returning in the future.

I catch wind of something from a well connected friend over there. Seems like the director has been badmouthing a teachers when they finished their contract, and I was no exception. Saying that I left early, bought first class plane tickets, wasn't 'respectful' enough and other random BS. Pretty confused and annoyed right now.

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« Reply #7495 on: November 11, 2017, 06:34:22 PM »
So, I was working at a hagwon a couple of months ago. It seemed decent, I had some issues, but overall manageable. I was thinking it a low risk and considered returning in the future.

I catch wind of something from a well connected friend over there. Seems like the director has been badmouthing a teachers when they finished their contract, and I was no exception. Saying that I left early, bought first class plane tickets, wasn't 'respectful' enough and other random BS. Pretty confused and annoyed right now.

If you can prove he said those things, the Korean defamation laws are on your side.  Those comments would harm your chances for employment by damage of character.  You could sue him for enough to think twice about opening his pie hole to bad mouth another teacher.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7496 on: November 13, 2017, 09:33:00 AM »
I remember back in grade school, a coupe of teachers would pull this trick.

They'd tell us that before each assignment/test we should look it over carefully before beginning and always read the instructions first. The class would promise to do so and then the teacher would give us some really long homework on the first day. Everyone would be so pissed and grumble about it, but the trick was that the very last question said that we didn't have to do the homework. It was just a test to see if we'd follow the instructions.

I want to do something like this to my 6th grade students. They are so loud and never listen to anything I say. I want to teach them there are consequences for not listening, as of right now my CT doesn't seem to care that they are so unruly. I'm not going to do anything like that because I'm sure it wouldn't go over well, but I sure wish these kids had to face consequences sometimes.

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« Reply #7497 on: November 13, 2017, 10:28:26 AM »
I remember back in grade school, a coupe of teachers would pull this trick.

They'd tell us that before each assignment/test we should look it over carefully before beginning and always read the instructions first. The class would promise to do so and then the teacher would give us some really long homework on the first day. Everyone would be so pissed and grumble about it, but the trick was that the very last question said that we didn't have to do the homework. It was just a test to see if we'd follow the instructions.

I want to do something like this to my 6th grade students. They are so loud and never listen to anything I say. I want to teach them there are consequences for not listening, as of right now my CT doesn't seem to care that they are so unruly. I'm not going to do anything like that because I'm sure it wouldn't go over well, but I sure wish these kids had to face consequences sometimes.

In big review games / quiz type games i've started to base questions off the answers of other teams. So I can ask "Please write X teams answer" or "In Korean, can you translate what Xteam said?". This has them listening a bit at least.

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« Reply #7498 on: November 13, 2017, 10:41:06 AM »
I remember back in grade school, a coupe of teachers would pull this trick.

They'd tell us that before each assignment/test we should look it over carefully before beginning and always read the instructions first. The class would promise to do so and then the teacher would give us some really long homework on the first day. Everyone would be so pissed and grumble about it, but the trick was that the very last question said that we didn't have to do the homework. It was just a test to see if we'd follow the instructions.

I want to do something like this to my 6th grade students. They are so loud and never listen to anything I say. I want to teach them there are consequences for not listening, as of right now my CT doesn't seem to care that they are so unruly. I'm not going to do anything like that because I'm sure it wouldn't go over well, but I sure wish these kids had to face consequences sometimes.

In big review games / quiz type games i've started to base questions off the answers of other teams. So I can ask "Please write X teams answer" or "In Korean, can you translate what Xteam said?". This has them listening a bit at least.

I did a truncated version with one of my middle school classes once.  Don't remember what the end result was but they all had a good chuckle once the test/trick was explained afterward. 

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7499 on: November 13, 2017, 11:20:08 AM »
I remember back in grade school, a coupe of teachers would pull this trick.

They'd tell us that before each assignment/test we should look it over carefully before beginning and always read the instructions first. The class would promise to do so and then the teacher would give us some really long homework on the first day. Everyone would be so pissed and grumble about it, but the trick was that the very last question said that we didn't have to do the homework. It was just a test to see if we'd follow the instructions.

I want to do something like this to my 6th grade students. They are so loud and never listen to anything I say. I want to teach them there are consequences for not listening, as of right now my CT doesn't seem to care that they are so unruly. I'm not going to do anything like that because I'm sure it wouldn't go over well, but I sure wish these kids had to face consequences sometimes.

In big review games / quiz type games i've started to base questions off the answers of other teams. So I can ask "Please write X teams answer" or "In Korean, can you translate what Xteam said?". This has them listening a bit at least.

Oh nice strategy, I'm going use this. Thank you!
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