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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7420 on: November 01, 2017, 11:41:47 AM »
This kind of stuff is so funny!

I'm really laughing, so I don't know why I'm putting it in the ranting thread. I guess because it's just so ridiculous to find these chapters in a foreign language book. I wonder what they learn in their actual Korean lessons.

"Wow! Koreans are very smart."

Now I know why the Koreans I meet act like unpaid government tour and culture guides, even after I tell them I've been living here for several years. They are taught that this is how your conversations with foreigners are supposed to go. And why they act so disappointed when I don't gush over what they think I should gush over.  I didn't follow the script  :laugh:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7421 on: November 01, 2017, 11:43:47 AM »
It's always a privilege to witness my CT in action when it comes to discipline and the effectiveness of Korean teacher training. She teaches one class by herself and I sit in the next room. If you've ever visited Earth, you might've heard the noise her class makes. In an effort to combat this ear splitting raucous, she's turned to technology by plugging in the microphone and attempting to scream the lesson over the student's noise.

Not entirely dense, it took her 3 months to realize that this ultimately doubles the noise. So she's adopted the strategy of teaching the students to police each other by permitting them to shout the words "Be Quiet" at any noise violators. Now, we've got an English lesson of my CT shouting awkward Key Expressions through a speaker while 30 students are all attempting to scream "Be Quiet!" at their friends.

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« Reply #7422 on: November 01, 2017, 11:52:07 AM »
This kind of stuff is so funny!

I'm really laughing, so I don't know why I'm putting it in the ranting thread. I guess because it's just so ridiculous to find these chapters in a foreign language book. I wonder what they learn in their actual Korean lessons.

"Wow! Koreans are very smart."

Now I know why the Koreans I meet act like unpaid government tour and culture guides, even after I tell them I've been living here for several years. They are taught that this is how your conversations with foreigners are supposed to go. And why they act so disappointed when I don't gush over what they think I should gush over.  I didn't follow the script  :laugh:

It's almost surreal.

I've taken classes in Arabic, French, German, Japanese, Mandarin, and Spanish, and not a single one of them included chapters about America. I had plenty of other classes in which to learn about my own country; my languages classes gave me the opportunity to learn about different cultures and new places.

I genuinely think the English books here are doing the students a disservice. Happily, I've often been given the opportunity to teach classes about whatever I feel like teaching them, so I try to give them the cultural exposure their textbooks don't.

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« Reply #7423 on: November 01, 2017, 11:53:45 AM »
This kind of stuff is so funny!

I'm really laughing, so I don't know why I'm putting it in the ranting thread. I guess because it's just so ridiculous to find these chapters in a foreign language book. I wonder what they learn in their actual Korean lessons.

"Wow! Koreans are very smart."

Now I know why the Koreans I meet act like unpaid government tour and culture guides, even after I tell them I've been living here for several years. They are taught that this is how your conversations with foreigners are supposed to go. And why they act so disappointed when I don't gush over what they think I should gush over.  I didn't follow the script  :laugh:

Surprisingly, I've heard this has nothing to do with the inferiority complex.
Textbook publishers have a better shot of getting rich by getting MOE's to authorise the use of their textbooks when they fill it with nationalistic drivel.
The South Korean government, just like their comrades in the North, love Nationalism and filling their citizens with it. The more Nationalistic the people become, the easier they are to manipulate and the less likely they are to care when their overlords in government/Samsung get caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7424 on: November 01, 2017, 11:59:15 AM »
This kind of stuff is so funny!

I'm really laughing, so I don't know why I'm putting it in the ranting thread. I guess because it's just so ridiculous to find these chapters in a foreign language book. I wonder what they learn in their actual Korean lessons.

"Wow! Koreans are very smart."

Now I know why the Koreans I meet act like unpaid government tour and culture guides, even after I tell them I've been living here for several years. They are taught that this is how your conversations with foreigners are supposed to go. And why they act so disappointed when I don't gush over what they think I should gush over.  I didn't follow the script  :laugh:

It's almost surreal.

I've taken classes in Arabic, French, German, Japanese, Mandarin, and Spanish, and not a single one of them included chapters about America. I had plenty of other classes in which to learn about my own country; my languages classes gave me the opportunity to learn about different cultures and new places.

I genuinely think the English books here are doing the students a disservice. Happily, I've often been given the opportunity to teach classes about whatever I feel like teaching them, so I try to give them the cultural exposure their textbooks don't.

Same! As much as the USA loves to shove its false sense of superiority down peoples throats, my language books were NOT ABOUT THE USA, unless it was to talk about the Spanish speaking communities within the U.S.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7425 on: November 01, 2017, 12:00:24 PM »
I used to work with several teachers like that, and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you give them a chance to say they don't like what you found, they're going to say that. Just get in the rhythm of you come to class with the lesson ready, teach it, do a good job, and then they don't have to worry about your materials, and you don't have to run it past them. Just operate under the assumption that they should never need to ask you to find materials - you'll just bring them.

It's kind of hard to get into that routine if they've been approving or denying your stuff in the past, but if you start teaching with a new teacher, it's good to be just like, "Here's what we're doing, here's the files. See you tomorrow."
I like the idea and I wish I could do that, but my co is a complete control freak. She sits right next to me in the office and asks what I've found/made/working on every day. There's absolutely no way she'd ever allow any activity into the classroom that she didn't completely understand and pre-approve, and change parts of. Thanks for your suggestion, though.

That's awful. In that case, there's really not much you can do about it. I've worked with people exactly like that and they want to micromanage everything, and approve or deny everything, but only after you've dumped lots of time into it. It's seriously not efficient and teachers like that are the worst. If they want to lead it, they should be giving you very clear instructions on what they want, and if they don't want to lead it and contribute to the materials, then they shouldn't interfere with the materials that you've supplied.

In a perfect world.

Sorry to hear it.

My suggestion still applies if and when you start working with someone new, though.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7426 on: November 01, 2017, 12:04:54 PM »
This kind of stuff is so funny!

I'm really laughing, so I don't know why I'm putting it in the ranting thread. I guess because it's just so ridiculous to find these chapters in a foreign language book. I wonder what they learn in their actual Korean lessons.

"Wow! Koreans are very smart."

Now I know why the Koreans I meet act like unpaid government tour and culture guides, even after I tell them I've been living here for several years. They are taught that this is how your conversations with foreigners are supposed to go. And why they act so disappointed when I don't gush over what they think I should gush over.  I didn't follow the script  :laugh:

Surprisingly, I've heard this has nothing to do with the inferiority complex.
Textbook publishers have a better shot of getting rich by getting MOE's to authorise the use of their textbooks when they fill it with nationalistic drivel.
The South Korean government, just like their comrades in the North, love Nationalism and filling their citizens with it. The more Nationalistic the people become, the easier they are to manipulate and the less likely they are to care when their overlords in government/Samsung get caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.

Yes, if you ask a Korean why they have to work insane hours of unpaid overtime just so their bosses and the owners of the company can get rich while people in other countries expect compensation for their work... they'll just reiterate some bogus excuse about Korean people being their country's most prized resource (that they are burning through) and how their company is a family (that doesnt care about making their REAL family suffer and would replace their ass quicker than a drop of a hat) and that Koreans care about loyalty (apparently loyalty is an abusive one way street here)

It's all the same, none of them have much of a differing opinion on the subject. The only thing that keeps them overworked and underpaid is the idea that it's an essential part of being Korean. It's like how Americans can't imagine the USA without guns. They've made it a part of the national identity so good luck ever getting that changed.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7427 on: November 02, 2017, 10:32:34 AM »
Had this discussion years ago with my first CT when I was still working with a CT. She was a brand new teacher. She told me they get virtually no classroom management training and student teaching is like a week but it's not really student teaching, because I have seen it first hand in my high school. They come in for two weeks (high school) and spend most of the time observing senior teachers and then they teach one truncated lesson (20 mins) with the senior teacher in the room to control the students.
I actually feel sorry for Kteachers, their prep is lacking in the classroom management and child psychology areas.
It's always a privilege to witness my CT in action when it comes to discipline and the effectiveness of Korean teacher training. She teaches one class by herself and I sit in the next room. If you've ever visited Earth, you might've heard the noise her class makes. In an effort to combat this ear splitting raucous, she's turned to technology by plugging in the microphone and attempting to scream the lesson over the student's noise.

Not entirely dense, it took her 3 months to realize that this ultimately doubles the noise. So she's adopted the strategy of teaching the students to police each other by permitting them to shout the words "Be Quiet" at any noise violators. Now, we've got an English lesson of my CT shouting awkward Key Expressions through a speaker while 30 students are all attempting to scream "Be Quiet!" at their friends.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7428 on: November 02, 2017, 11:47:36 AM »
It's officially "Close the door!" season.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7429 on: November 02, 2017, 12:19:34 PM »

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I'd like to make a polite request that you stop this now.  It's gone on long enough I think.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7430 on: November 02, 2017, 12:22:14 PM »
What is it with some women in the country sounding like a slightly higher pitched Vincent Price?

You can hear it sometimes with 앵~~~?

It's like a high pitched nasally whine.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7431 on: November 02, 2017, 12:37:41 PM »

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I'd like to make a polite request that you stop this now.  It's gone on long enough I think.

Agreed. Very spammy too.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7432 on: November 02, 2017, 01:41:19 PM »

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I'd like to make a polite request that you stop this now.  It's gone on long enough I think.

Disagree.

It lets me know I should read it in the voice I made up for #theBasedOne; kind of like actor David Carradine’s.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7433 on: November 02, 2017, 01:44:25 PM »
It's 2:44 in the afternoon and the weather is making it literally dark like evening. I hate it when that happens.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7434 on: November 02, 2017, 02:44:41 PM »
Saw three people on my facebook feed use the term 'adulting'.

F millennials are stupid. And to think our grandparents were storming Okinawa. Get over yourselves people.

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« Reply #7435 on: November 02, 2017, 03:19:45 PM »

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I'd like to make a polite request that you stop this now.  It's gone on long enough I think.

Disagree.

It lets me know I should read it in the voice I made up for #theBasedOne; kind of like actor David Carradine’s.

i always read #thebasedone like it's bill from bill and ted's excellent adventure.  i don't know why....
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7436 on: November 02, 2017, 03:38:05 PM »

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I'd like to make a polite request that you stop this now.  It's gone on long enough I think.

Disagree.

It lets me know I should read it in the voice I made up for #theBasedOne; kind of like actor David Carradine’s.

i always read #thebasedone like it's bill from bill and ted's excellent adventure.  i don't know why....
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That works too!

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7437 on: November 07, 2017, 01:05:42 PM »
This site feels so wide now.  Whinge whinge.

The happy yellow square in the tab is a bit off putting.  Whinge whinge. 

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I hope I don't overthink (as is usual) and make a muck of things.  Should just have a good time and enjoy the present~

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« Reply #7438 on: November 07, 2017, 02:18:12 PM »
Sometimes it feels like I'm playing some kind of obscure Japanese RPG when I'm trying to get information out of my CTs here.

I'll ask an innocent question but if I'm not asking the "right" person (one out of a possible four), they'll kind of do this weird avoid-the-question-clam-up thing and I'm left scratching my head.  Even if they know the answer they won't tell me!  Or it'll be like drawing blood from a stone after they've told me "you should ask XXX (handler/official CT)".

They really are terrified that they'll be doing someone else's job if they answer a simple question!  Or, heaven forbid, they don't want my "handler" (god I hate that term) to get out of answering a query I have.

I know Korean people are absolutely helpful and lovely people, but I've just never gotten used to the rigid, "not my job" outlook of teachers here.  Or maybe just in my school haha!

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7439 on: November 07, 2017, 02:26:29 PM »
Why can't my students understand the concept of raising their hands to answer/speak?

I swear to god, I have to remind them to do it every 5 minutes. Even the classes I've been teaching in the same manner for over a year struggle to remember.

Are their school classes just total free for alls where everyone screams and shouts the answers during the entire class? Or are they just so rarely allowed to speak that they can't contain themselves?